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"Dry spells during legendary careers"


  

          

What are some dry periods you can think about within the career of those who are seen as legends?

I wouldn't mention their complete fall off, but just a period that they lost fans, their growth stunted, or folks thought they fell off before they came back strong.

The obvious mention for Hip Hop would be Dre during the 96-98 "Aftermath Presents" period.

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LL Cool J. Not once, but twice.
Aug 08th 2017
1
dont call it a comeback...
Aug 09th 2017
6
yeah, The G.O.A.T. was being hyped as another "comeback album" for him
Aug 16th 2017
45
RE: You're also forgetting 'Hey Lover.'
Aug 10th 2017
13
80's Neil Young
Aug 08th 2017
2
Trans lol
Aug 13th 2017
23
      RE: Hey, I will defend Trans.
Aug 13th 2017
25
Aerosmith from 1979 to 1987
Aug 09th 2017
3
RE: Gotta be good in the first place, man.
Aug 09th 2017
4
Aerosmith had jams for Days
Aug 10th 2017
10
      RE: Nope.
Aug 10th 2017
12
definitely
Aug 12th 2017
18
Prince 1989 - 1996; 1998 - 2004.
Aug 09th 2017
5
I'd say Q-tip
Aug 10th 2017
7
RE: Big difference between. . .
Aug 10th 2017
11
Nas from I Am to Nastradamus
Aug 10th 2017
8
NB one down album does not make a dry spell
Aug 10th 2017
9
Good question
Aug 10th 2017
14
RE: Good question
Aug 11th 2017
15
Timbaland, 01-06
Aug 12th 2017
16
Ah..the Thomas Crown phase
Aug 14th 2017
30
Yep. Indian Carpet was such a banger right before that dry spell
Aug 14th 2017
32
Eh...he did some nice work during that period...
Aug 14th 2017
34
he produced a lot of Justified, Bubba Sparxx and Petey Pablo
Aug 14th 2017
36
LOL @ all of those examples being prime examples of this dry spell
Aug 17th 2017
48
      for me, the songs he mentioned were all dope AF
Aug 18th 2017
49
RE: Timbaland, 01-06
Aug 15th 2017
38
      He had hits but they don't match the quality of his initial 96-01 prime ...
Aug 17th 2017
47
Barry White for pretty much all of the 80s
Aug 12th 2017
17
Raekwon, 1999-2008
Aug 13th 2017
19
the guys from At the Drive-In that started Sparta
Aug 13th 2017
20
Juicy J (and DJ Paul too really) 2007 - 2012
Aug 13th 2017
21
Dizzee Rascal 2008 - 2016
Aug 13th 2017
22
Earth,Wind and fire 90's, Stevie Wonder as well
Aug 13th 2017
24
Mos Def 2001 - 2008
Aug 14th 2017
26
Post-HHNF Pharrell
Aug 14th 2017
27
Ice Cube's Don Mega phase was kinda odd
Aug 14th 2017
28
Busta 2002 - Present
Aug 14th 2017
29
nah, the Big Bang was hella dope
Aug 18th 2017
50
late 90s Snoop
Aug 14th 2017
31
It's wild how L.A. viewed it so much diff, because he was a legend solel...
Aug 14th 2017
33
Radiohead - King of Limbs?
Aug 14th 2017
35
I still don't get what people didn't like about this album
Aug 15th 2017
37
RE: I will defend it (and the surrounding recordings) as very good.
Aug 15th 2017
39
RE: I will defend it (and the surrounding recordings) as very good.
Aug 16th 2017
42
Better than Hail to the Thief IMO, great album
Aug 16th 2017
40
KOL was a late high-point IMO. I also don't understand the flak it gets ...
Aug 17th 2017
46
      Moon shaped pool blows both previous releases out the water
Aug 18th 2017
51
Bowie had a long one before The Next Day / Blackstar 1-2 punch of genius
Aug 16th 2017
41
Bob Dylan
Aug 16th 2017
43
John Lennon ('71 - '80)
Aug 16th 2017
44

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1. "LL Cool J. Not once, but twice."
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"Walking With a Panther" is the most infamous one, though it's kinda overstated. It had some shitty love songs, but is otherwise a good album. Regardless, "Mama Said Knock You Out" was a pretty definitive comeback, even though "Walking" only dropped a year before.

His fall off with "14 Shots..." is kind of ignored, but that album was not well-received critically or sales-wise. Then he had to scrap the first version of "Mr. Smith" before almost completely revising it and "coming back" again with Doin' It and the Loungin' remix.

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6. "dont call it a comeback..."
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...but there was clearly 2 comebacks in his career ...he could have had a 3rd comeback if he had an album of quality songs to go along with "Ill Bomb"





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45. "yeah, The G.O.A.T. was being hyped as another "comeback album" for him"
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I remember it getting lots of good reviews, LL's "hardest" album in years, etc. It was just ok. It had some gems and was better than Phenomenon. But it wasn't anywhere near a great album.

  

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13. "RE: You're also forgetting 'Hey Lover.'"
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That was a HUGE hit.


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2. "80's Neil Young"
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23. "Trans lol"
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25. "RE: Hey, I will defend Trans."
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It's actually way better and more interesting than most of his 80s stuff that came after it.

It's certainly better than garbage like Old Ways and Landing on Water. That stuff is just unlistenable dreck at this point. At least Trans has some life to it.

And besides, any album with 'Like an Inca' (arguably his last truly great song for many, many years) is at least at footnote status.


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3. "Aerosmith from 1979 to 1987"
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4. "RE: Gotta be good in the first place, man."
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10. "Aerosmith had jams for Days"
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They also had a bunch of comebacks

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12. "RE: Nope."
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Reiteration: gotta be good in the first place.


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18. "definitely"
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5. "Prince 1989 - 1996; 1998 - 2004."
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fuck you.

  

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7. "I'd say Q-tip"
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Between Amplified ('99) & The Renaissance ('08)
and between The Renaissance & We Got it From Here...Thank You For Your Service ('16)

I wouldn't ever have said he fell off, but I was giving up hope of ever hearing new material (outside of the bootlegs of Kamal The Abstract & Open/Live at The Renaissance).

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11. "RE: Big difference between. . ."
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. . .quality of output and flat out lack of output.

Think it's pretty safe to say the quality of his work never went down. The amount which he released, however, did. But, that's not really a demerit on him, I'd say.


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8. "Nas from I Am to Nastradamus"
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Granted, part of it wasn't his fault as his double CD, the original I AM was bootlegged heavily (not to mention his mother's health) and he had to rework or scrap a lot of material - but the talk then was that he fell off HARD. Weak albums, shaky concepts, bad shows. I think more than the beef with Jay, people were just glad that Nas was back and living up to his promise on Stillmatic. And then following up with what he was always capable of with Lost Tapes. I'd argue he's had a better career in his mid-late 30s than he did post Illmatic.

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9. "NB one down album does not make a dry spell"
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14. "Good question"
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Maybe Premier's period between Moment of Truth and Phyme?

Or Mos Def from Black on Both Sides to The Ecstatic?

And I'm not a fan of his, but maybe DOOM's period before Madvillan?

  

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15. "RE: Good question"
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>Maybe Premier's period between Moment of Truth and Phyme?
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>Or Mos Def from Black on Both Sides to The Ecstatic?
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>And I'm not a fan of his, but maybe DOOM's period before
>Madvillan?
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DOOM's period before MAdvillain is a mix of classics and great records, so no.

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16. "Timbaland, 01-06"
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After Aaliyah's passing in August '01, Tim's well ran dry creatively (and commercially, for the MOST part) but things picked up again on both fronts BIG TIME in the summer '06 starting with Nelly Furtado's Loose and ascended even higher with Timberlake's FutureSex/LoveSounds that fall.

  

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30. "Ah..the Thomas Crown phase"
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I think im the only person who liked Indecent Propsal and Under Construction part 2...he dropped that fire Ms Jade album tho..

  

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32. "Yep. Indian Carpet was such a banger right before that dry spell"
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>After Aaliyah's passing in August '01, Tim's well ran dry
>creatively (and commercially, for the MOST part) but things
>picked up again on both fronts BIG TIME in the summer '06
>starting with Nelly Furtado's Loose and ascended even higher
>with Timberlake's FutureSex/LoveSounds that fall.

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34. "Eh...he did some nice work during that period..."
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Hola Hovito and Dirt Off Your Shoulder for Jay, half of the first Justin Timberlake album, the Tweet album, Brandy's Afrodisiac album, etc.

  

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36. "he produced a lot of Justified, Bubba Sparxx and Petey Pablo"
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plus Miss E...So Addictive, plus Dirt Off Your Shoulders, Hola Hovito, The Bounce (Blueprint 2)

there wasn't really a dry spell

  

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48. "LOL @ all of those examples being prime examples of this dry spell"
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Those Jay BP2 cuts were ass, homie.

  

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49. "for me, the songs he mentioned were all dope AF"
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38. "RE: Timbaland, 01-06"
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Ummm...

Tweet - Oh My
Justin TImberlake -Cry Me A River
Missy - Work It, Im Really Hot
Jay-z - Dirt Off Your Shoulder
Lil Kim - Jump Off
Brandy - Aphrodisiac
Cee-lo - Ill Be Around
LL Cool J _ Headsprung
Game _ Put You On Game

now to be fair... he also had a lot of failures during this time with Beat Club so thats maybe why you would think that.. and The Neptunes were on the top of the world.. but the Hits never stopped

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47. "He had hits but they don't match the quality of his initial 96-01 prime ..."
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17. "Barry White for pretty much all of the 80s"
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fell off around 80/81 and caught a 2nd wind
in 90 after appearing on Quincy's Secret Garden
in 89. His next album did better than any of
his albums in a long time, and his album after
that went to #1.

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19. "Raekwon, 1999-2008"
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he was still a good rapper of course but the music he was putting his name on was loco bland.


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20. "the guys from At the Drive-In that started Sparta"
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and made a bunch of boring music until they got the chance to get the band back together


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21. "Juicy J (and DJ Paul too really) 2007 - 2012"
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both of them just had a lot of bad ideas, but they got decent ghost producers (or stopped producing altogether) and found their niches and both make perfectly fine, enjoyable music now.


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22. "Dizzee Rascal 2008 - 2016"
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24. "Earth,Wind and fire 90's, Stevie Wonder as well"
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Prince 88- onward IMO

Bee Gees Mid 80's onward

Madonna 97-now

Smokey Robinson 90's onward

Diana Ross 90's onward

R.Kelly 2011-now though i like the CHristmas album

Barry WHite 80's

Curtis Mayfield 80's

Ice Cube 99-now

LL COOL J 96-now

van halen 97 -now

el debarge 95-now

aretha franklin 99-now

babyface 99-now

george michael 99-now

rick james 90's onward though i dug urban rapisody

marvin gaye 79-82

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

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26. "Mos Def 2001 - 2008"
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And 2010 - present, lol

  

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27. "Post-HHNF Pharrell "
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28. "Ice Cube's Don Mega phase was kinda odd"
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29. "Busta 2002 - Present"
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50. "nah, the Big Bang was hella dope"
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after that tho....

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31. "late 90s Snoop"
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The Doggfather and that first No Limit album were disappointments.

Once Top Dogg came out and he was working with Dre again, and then a few months later 2001 came out, it felt like Snoop was back.

  

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33. "It's wild how L.A. viewed it so much diff, because he was a legend solel..."
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Off Chronic, Doggystyle, Murder was the case, and even Dogg Food...so for a minute, we still rocked with him, even when we knew it wasn't bangin as much.

But looking back, Doggfather was a 7/10....which is bad following a 10/10, but it's decent-ok. That first NL album is like a 5/10 to me....his worst by FAAAAAAAAAAAAAR. And even that had some bangers!

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35. "Radiohead - King of Limbs? "
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I don't think their popularity or mystique suffered much, but I feel like enough time has passed for even the most staunch Radiohead fans to admit that album wasn't really hitting.

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37. "I still don't get what people didn't like about this album"
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"In Bloom" is a great opener, the next three tracks are kinda stale, but 5-8 is just heat after heat. It's also a really good summary of all the sounds of their career, you can hear bits of everything in that album.

It's more than a little reserved, but I like that about it.

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39. "RE: I will defend it (and the surrounding recordings) as very good."
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But, I totally get that the consensus now is that it was "just okay."

In general, I'd recommend the "Live From the Basement" session over the proper album.


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42. "RE: I will defend it (and the surrounding recordings) as very good."
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>I'd recommend the "Live From the Basement" session
>over the proper album.

100% unequivocal co-sign.

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40. "Better than Hail to the Thief IMO, great album"
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46. "KOL was a late high-point IMO. I also don't understand the flak it gets ..."
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51. "Moon shaped pool blows both previous releases out the water"
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41. "Bowie had a long one before The Next Day / Blackstar 1-2 punch of genius"
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43. "Bob Dylan"
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Many people would say his first brief, moderately dry spell came after John Wesley Harding ('67) and lasted until he dropped Blood on the Tracks in ('75). Following the blinding brilliance of his run up to that point, the albums he released in that timeframe were pretty pedestrian, even if the period produced some undeniably classic songs (Forever Young, Lay Lady Lay, Knocking on Heaven's Door).

(With that said, even though Nashville Skyline ('69) is slight by Dylan's standards, I fucking love that album.)

I happen to be a big fan of Desire ('76) and love some of the songs on Street Legal ('78), but after that he had a pretty rough stretch for almost 20 years until the much lauded Time Out of Mind in '97.

I will admit to not being super well-versed in his 80 and 90s material, though, mostly because the majority of what I've heard from then has been tough to listen to. I'm sure there are some gems sprinkled throughout, but it seems like it'd be a chore to find them...

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44. "John Lennon ('71 - '80)"
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His first two solo albums were widely heralded, (mostly) deservedly so, but his solo output falls off a cliff after that.

Sometime in New York City ('72) was a commercially and critically unsuccessful attempt to make "edgy" protest music. Problem was the songs weren't any good. ("Woman is the N-gger of the World," anyone?)

It's obvious that he wanted to bounce back and move units on Mind Games ('73) because it's a complete about-face from SINYC. Commercial songs, slick production, less politics. Again, problem was the songs weren't any good. (I'm being a little more facetious this time. There are some good songs on here, but like most of his solo output, it suffers from unimaginative arrangements and pervasive blandness. Overall it's a mediocre and uneven album.)

Walls and Bridges ('74) is almost unlistenable to me. So bland.

Rock and Roll ('75) is a bunch of 50's rock and roll covers. Some people like it.

Double Fantasy ('80) was seen as a comeback of sorts, featuring undeniably his best songs in nearly 10 years. I still think it leaves something to be desired, but at least it's worthy of having his name attached to it. Wish he actually got back with McCartney for this album like he was planning on doing for his next one. They both still had great music in them, and it could've been a truly great record.

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