can people of one generation really understand how the next generation "can't perceive" what we perceived as "hot" or "good"?
bearfield in one of your other posts compared Rakim to Chuck Berry as far as seemingly "uninteresting" to modern ears (most modern ears who like rock would presumably find Chuck Berry "uninteresting"):
Unless, bearfield is really stretchinggggggggggggggg.......some new jacks think someone who blew away my generation (Rakim) is just doing some "uninteresting" stuff.
That's mindblowing to many of us...but a part of life is not being able to perceive what the next generation perceives.
5. "Feel like you answered "Does rapping have a shelf life" with Nas" In response to Reply # 0
Nas sounds good as ever, I think there are a good number of rappers around with 20+ year careers who sound as good or better than ever, Aesop Rock, Killer Mike, Tonedeff, Blueprint, OneBeLo are a few others that come to mind
19. "Can't believe Black Thought didn't immediately come to mind" In response to Reply # 5
You left him off your list. Smh.
>Nas sounds good as ever, I think there are a good number of >rappers around with 20+ year careers who sound as good or >better than ever, Aesop Rock, Killer Mike, Tonedeff, >Blueprint, OneBeLo are a few others that come to mind
7. "RE: Does Ludacris Rhyme style sound dated to you?" In response to Reply # 0
I think Luda's style was destined for a shorter shelf-live. That's just my interpretation. I was not a fan of his back when he was popular.
For comparison, I think E-40 is still fresh, and key elements of his style have not changed since the 90's. In fact, I am a bigger fan of his now than I was then.
8. "I think if they have a ''stylized' flow it can make them sound dated" In response to Reply # 0
Hate to use the word gimmick, but I guess that's what I mean.
What sounds cool at the time because it's different and distinct is probably going to peg it with that era. Someone like Nas or Black Thought who have more or less a "normal" dope flow will survive the various trends.
__ I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!
Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno
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10. "I agree with your first point but ..." In response to Reply # 8
>What sounds cool at the time because it's different and >distinct is probably going to peg it with that era. Someone >like Nas or Black Thought who have more or less a "normal" >dope flow will survive the various trends.
^^ to this point, I think it'd be more accurate to say that BT and Nas are simply more versatile and able to change up their styles which results in their not being tied to any particular "gimmick" or era.
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14. "Halfway, but Nas's flow has just never been extreme in that way either" In response to Reply # 10
It's actually a much more detailed discussion, but based on the era that certain rappers came in, there's some who's flow will never sound totally outdated, while there's some eras where the flow will barely adjust at all.
Thinking back, the ONLY rapper who was truly active in the 80's who's flow still sounded decent within the last ten years is probably LL. Cube's flow sounded decent at times in 2006, such as "Why we thugs," yet it actually sounded dated to some folks in 99-2000.
For the 90's, Busta's flow and style was extremely dynamic, yet he developed so many flows, he was always able to fit on anything thrown at him. Luda was very similar, but something about Luda's style tends to date him in my eyes. Busta really had the hottest verse in 1991 AND 2010-2011, which was remarkable and a testament to him being able to switch his style up.
11. "Good Point. I was listening to early Kanye and it sounded dated." In response to Reply # 8
Actually I was listening to older Childish Gambino where he was sounded like Kanye and it sounded dated as hell because of that drawl Kanye use to rap with
>Hate to use the word gimmick, but I guess that's what I mean. > > >What sounds cool at the time because it's different and >distinct is probably going to peg it with that era. Someone >like Nas or Black Thought who have more or less a "normal" >dope flow will survive the various trends. > > >__ >I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC >didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH! > >Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking >burgers.(c)Kno > >Allied State of the National Electric Beat Treaty Organization >(NEBTO)
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12. "THISS!!!!! Think about it! Mystikal. DMX. Nelly. Ja Rule. Versus...Fat J..." In response to Reply # 8
Even Das EFX. Bone to an extent.
Whenever you hear any of these rappers...you immediately feel like you're listening to whenever their prime was. Their flows and styles sounded groundbreaking at the time, but they all sound dated now, just because they were so stylized.
Versus...Fat Joe, who's flow and style was seen as extremely normal and regular in the 90's and early 2000's, yet he can still sound just as normal and regular in 2017 on a track like "All the way up."
....sounds like he re-used a song from the Red Light District sessions and sounds hella dated.
To me Luda sounds like someone who doesn't keep his sword sharp more than anything else. Compared to someone like T.I. (who almost raps too much with his solos,features and Hustle Gang stuff) who when he needs to can hit you with a great 16 because Tip seems ready to switch flows (even if it doesn't sound good). Luda sounds like he jumps on the field with no practice time, and while he's talented enough not to make a fool of himself (like LL does sometimes) it's not as good as he could (or should) be given his years in the game.
I think a Luda x Organized Noize album should happen....a one producer record would prolly bring the best out of Luda IMO.
20. "Just sounds tailor made for late 90s Timbaland beats..." In response to Reply # 0
which I guess would make it sound dated at this point.
If you check his timing and how he speeds up for the 3/4 count, that's exactly where Timbaland beats used to go into double kicks... which I'd say it why he was the man around the same time Timbaland was at his rap radio play peak.
I do find myself wishing he'd change his flow when listening to him on newer beats. Unfortunately, he just has a flow that strongly reflects a window in time.
23. "lotta guys from thatbera didn't make it, creatively" In response to Reply # 0
and he's one of them. I don't think he's bad but he doesn't leave a lot to the imagination and that's where he differs from someone like Redman, for example. They both don't have a wide range of topics but Redman superior from a lyrical and technical standpoint, so even when it feels like he's coasting his sword is still sharp. Ludacris never had that. But he came up in an era of supernovas that qorked hard to get to a certain point, then that was it once they got rich and started dabbling in other things.
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26. "Luda must rap for fun because he's multimillionaire off movies" In response to Reply # 0 Fri Jul-21-17 09:48 PM by dafriquan
his flow on this record sounds very dated. but there are other beats where you he flows less gimmicky so you wouldn't notice.
it's a trade off. a very distinct style is less likely to age well. Luda's signature style was very "of the moment". he might have spent his whole life developing it but it was good for 2 or 3 summers max. i also associate his voice with alot of wack fashion we used to rock...lol...so that's not helping with how i absorb this. like i will never be nostalgic for south pole and only one of ecko jackets made it through the style cleanse.
andre 3000 on the other hand is an anomaly. his style must have been ahead of his time back then because everytime he drops a new verse now, it sound very contemporary.
what do you guy's thinking of the evolution/devolution of kanye's flow? he often sounds sloppier than ever but it seems to work now better than it ever did. is the bar lower? or has he dragged us down to where he wants us?
32. "Big Boi has been sounding dated to me lately." In response to Reply # 0
A legend, but his flow doesn't work for me how it used to. But some flows are just timeless. I'd put Luda in that category and some others. David Banner has basically the same flow, but it sounds better to me now than it did back then. I aged well. MF Doom & Nas = Timeless flow.
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