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phemom
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"So uh.....what's with the 4:44 thing?"


          

I'm seeing it all over the place....and reddit has concluded that the ads are from Tidal.

Hov season?

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Also in Times Square.
Jun 05th 2017
1
Comes out April 44th
Jun 06th 2017
2
Gabbo Gabbo Gabbo!
Jun 06th 2017
3
^^My thought too
Jun 06th 2017
5
Hov
Jun 06th 2017
4
My guess: '4:44' = 'For Barack'
Jun 16th 2017
6
It's an exclusive Tidal movie with Mahersala Ali, Lupita Nyong'o...
Jun 16th 2017
7
My guy was on Twitter talking about
Jun 16th 2017
8
I still think Jay has one more album in him....
Jun 18th 2017
9
      He's established a good-bullshit-good pattern
Jun 18th 2017
10
           I agree on everything except Kingdom Come.....
Jun 27th 2017
19
                Agreed.
Jun 27th 2017
22
SOMETHINGS gotta come out this summer
Jun 18th 2017
11
Dropping 6/30...
Jun 18th 2017
12
I can't believe after that last bust Samsung stunt...
Jun 18th 2017
14
      Was it a bust though???
Jun 18th 2017
15
           How could it be deemed a success
Jun 18th 2017
16
                if you're a plaque chaser, it's got that going for it
Jun 27th 2017
20
Could it be "For (4): Obama (44th prez)"
Jun 18th 2017
13
pretty sure that's what it means
Jun 19th 2017
17
I was thinking it was for Blue Ivy and the twins.
Jun 19th 2017
18
now you've got me thinking its just an EP lol
Jun 27th 2017
21
I have no reason to think it'll be good, and yet I'm holding out hope it...
Jun 27th 2017
23
Well I'll be damned. It's actually good.
Jun 30th 2017
24
RE: Well I'll be damned. It's actually good.
Jun 30th 2017
31
      leaks are usually from physical cds
Jun 30th 2017
35
Listening now (thanks Sprint haha)
Jun 30th 2017
25
INBOX PLEASE!!! n/m
Jun 30th 2017
26
easiest thing to do is sign up for Tidal with a dummy email
Jun 30th 2017
27
      RE: easiest thing to do is sign up for Tidal with a dummy email
Jun 30th 2017
28
           that'll show em
Jun 30th 2017
29
           is that not what they want?
Jun 30th 2017
30
           RE: easiest thing to do is sign up for Tidal with a dummy email
Jun 30th 2017
32
           RE: easiest thing to do is sign up for Tidal with a dummy email
Jun 30th 2017
33
           but you are ok with stealing?
Jun 30th 2017
36
                Yes I am OK with stealing it. Someone inbox me plz
Jun 30th 2017
49
                RE: but you are ok with stealing?
Jun 30th 2017
57
RE: So this is dope
Jun 30th 2017
34
Jay Z's best album in almost a decade
Jun 30th 2017
37
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Jun 30th 2017
45
RE: Jay Z's best album in almost a decade
Jun 30th 2017
46
      I don't think flow is "lazy", I think the delivery is muted on purpose
Jun 30th 2017
47
      I think that flow is a byproduct of that content
Jun 30th 2017
61
      it's stripped down. natural. mature.
Jun 30th 2017
72
           I've heard Jay Hovi's Home the shit outta songs before....
Jul 01st 2017
97
usedta wanna rhyme like common sense...
Jun 30th 2017
38
Sounds like a very different Jay-z album to me
Jun 30th 2017
39
agreed
Jun 30th 2017
40
Agreed. Probably the best Jay-Z album we could hope for in 2017...
Jun 30th 2017
41
how are the beats???
Jun 30th 2017
42
No I.D. did the whole album.
Jun 30th 2017
43
You'll like them
Jul 01st 2017
80
      this is hilarious
Jul 04th 2017
124
The Story of OJ (Video):
Jun 30th 2017
44
I signed up for Tidal too late
Jun 30th 2017
48
have you tried? I signed up last night at 8pm
Jun 30th 2017
50
Lol, right? Fuck Sprint too. Shitty ass network and all.
Jun 30th 2017
51
Let me just switch to a shittier service so I can hear an album
Jun 30th 2017
52
      it begs the question of who, if anyone, is big enough to do this
Jun 30th 2017
53
      If she tried, she would need to do a full court press marketing wise
Jun 30th 2017
68
      RE: Let me just switch to a shittier service so I can hear an album
Jun 30th 2017
56
           Yea, if you sign up for Tidal today u still cant listen to the album w/o...
Jun 30th 2017
67
It's out there
Jun 30th 2017
58
We had a post about best rap album by someone over 40 didn't we?
Jun 30th 2017
54
nah De La and Tribe do. n/m
Jun 30th 2017
55
Nope.
Jun 30th 2017
60
Common's Black America Again deserves mention as well.
Jun 30th 2017
66
      ^^^^ sure fucking does.
Jun 30th 2017
71
Yep.
Jun 30th 2017
59
nope
Jun 30th 2017
64
      YES!
Jun 30th 2017
65
agreed
Jun 30th 2017
62
4 complete listens and I'm really liking this. Surprise of 2017 so far
Jun 30th 2017
63
so Adnis isn't on here?
Jun 30th 2017
69
Young Guru said it'll be on physical copies
Jun 30th 2017
73
supposedly. Adnis is a full joint.
Jul 01st 2017
95
Jay Z in therapy.....I'm digging it...
Jun 30th 2017
70
For being fancying himself so business savvy, this rollout blows
Jun 30th 2017
74
surprisingly good
Jun 30th 2017
75
This is dope
Jun 30th 2017
76
Only a little over 36 minutes long
Jun 30th 2017
77
And here a dumb Beyonce question
Jun 30th 2017
78
all of them
Jul 01st 2017
79
Wise Intelligent gave a better review than I would have (FB swipe)
Jul 01st 2017
81
That's a review of the reviews, really
Jul 01st 2017
82
It's a review of the album and the "woke" claim some are making
Jul 01st 2017
83
      It's a bad review tbh
Jul 01st 2017
85
           Put that on me. He doesn't call it a review. It's a FB status.
Jul 01st 2017
87
Here's the IMPORTANT part not in the FB post
Jul 04th 2017
120
No ID has beat makers around the world shedding a tear...
Jul 01st 2017
84
Rolling Stone interviews No I.D. (laink x good read)
Jul 01st 2017
86
Man, we've gotten away from using one producer for a whole album
Jul 01st 2017
88
No I.D. is a true producer.
Jul 01st 2017
89
I remember this as well. He's old school.
Jul 02nd 2017
107
      Invocation & Hungry...
Jul 03rd 2017
113
           Yea. I'm a well-known Common stan but ...
Jul 03rd 2017
116
                including Tek-Zilla and Sun God
Jul 04th 2017
118
                     who did the beat for "The Truth" on Pharoahe Monch album?
Jul 04th 2017
121
                          You just blew my mind homie !
Jul 04th 2017
126
                          To answer your question tho: looks like it was Diamond D
Jul 04th 2017
127
                               yup...that's a Diamond D gem.
Jul 05th 2017
129
Fantastic read thank you
Jul 01st 2017
93
Fantastic read thank you
Jul 01st 2017
94
Damn this is a good ass album
Jul 01st 2017
90
Is one of the 4's for Blueprint 4?
Jul 01st 2017
91
whaaaaaaat? All I Need has to be on BP1 for the bass line alone
Jul 01st 2017
98
      All I Need is an unbelievable song.
Jul 02nd 2017
108
           ^^^^
Jul 03rd 2017
110
           Church
Jul 03rd 2017
111
           Bink!
Jul 04th 2017
123
ya'll catching the shots Hov is throwing all over this album?
Jul 01st 2017
92
he went heavy on Ye on Kill Jay-Z
Jul 01st 2017
96
yeah skipping leg day just to talk shit, nothing compared to kill jay-z
Jul 01st 2017
99
but he didnt kill Ye on Kill Jay-z
Jul 06th 2017
130
      yet you mentioned the skipping leg day 30 hrs line
Jul 08th 2017
146
people dont know how to listen to music
Jul 03rd 2017
115
      cant agree....
Jul 07th 2017
141
He really went in on Prince's Family
Jul 02nd 2017
101
      its his attorney who is named by name
Jul 02nd 2017
102
Lank
Jul 01st 2017
100
^^^^gentleman and a scholar^^^^
Jul 02nd 2017
103
You da real MVP
Jul 02nd 2017
104
That's it? Wow. Thanks!
Jul 05th 2017
128
Easily his second best post retirement LP
Jul 02nd 2017
105
It’s his best album since American Gangster
Jul 02nd 2017
106
For fun, what's your Top 5 Hov records?
Jul 03rd 2017
109
      RE: For fun, what's your Top 5 Hov records?
Jul 03rd 2017
112
           I'll play.
Jul 04th 2017
119
RE: So uh.....what's with the 4:44 thing?
Jul 03rd 2017
114
for old crotchety Hotep niggas like yaself, most definately
Jul 04th 2017
117
      chill with the hotep shit
Jul 04th 2017
125
i wasn't expecting such a minimalist album from jay
Jul 04th 2017
122
A third verse on Marcy Me...
Jul 06th 2017
131
I've Heard It And Hated It
Jul 06th 2017
132
RE: I've Heard It And Hated It
Jul 07th 2017
133
yup... the album is cool... but i dont see myself going back to it..
Jul 07th 2017
140
the 3 bonus tracks are out there.
Jul 07th 2017
134
The physical is totally worth it for these tracks
Jul 07th 2017
138
them joints are fiyyyaaaaaa
Jul 08th 2017
142
He better not take another 4 years to drop something else.
Jul 07th 2017
135
Jay is at a point in his career where he can drop an LP twice a decade
Jul 07th 2017
136
Up on Apple Music / iTunes as of today n/m
Jul 07th 2017
137
Thank you. Copped.
Jul 07th 2017
139
Could this be the final album???
Jul 08th 2017
143
Adnis
Jul 08th 2017
144
switch the track listing up to like this
Jul 09th 2017
147
It's on the physical release
Jul 09th 2017
148
Free 6 month Tidal subscription when purchased from Best Buy
Jul 08th 2017
145
Shit, this is good.
Jul 09th 2017
149
If I remember correctly,
Jul 09th 2017
150
      Well I just realized I worded something really poorly. I'm 33 ...
Jul 09th 2017
151
           yeah we same age
Jul 10th 2017
152
                Totally.
Jul 10th 2017
153
                     is Nas your fav ever? lol
Jul 10th 2017
155
                          #2
Jul 10th 2017
156
                               I really like Life is Good.
Jul 10th 2017
157
"Smile" is the best song Jay's made in AGES.
Jul 10th 2017
154
Smile and Marcy Me are every bit as good as the best stuff he's ever don...
Jul 11th 2017
158
Marcy Me is some fire.
Jul 11th 2017
159
Third verse on there is among the best in his catalog...
Jul 11th 2017
160
      Yup. Exactly.
Jul 11th 2017
161
      and Marcy Me NEEDED a third verse bc he was killing it.
Jul 11th 2017
162
Love the 4:44/Family Feud one two punch
Jul 12th 2017
163
This is Grown Man Rap...
Jul 17th 2017
164
Jesus. Marcy Me still killing me.
Aug 02nd 2017
165

phemom
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1. "Also in Times Square."
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http://i.imgur.com/QTXhtoi.jpg

....yeah really starting to think it's a Jay-Z album now.

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2. "Comes out April 44th"
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3. "Gabbo Gabbo Gabbo!"
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5. "^^My thought too"
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4. "Hov"
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https://soundcloud.com/djchiefone/1992-mixtape
https://soundcloud.com/djchiefone/1993-mixtape
https://soundcloud.com/djchiefone/1996-mixtape-part-1
https://soundcloud.com/djchiefone/1996-mixtape-part-2
https://soundcloud.com/djchiefone/1996-mixtape-part-3

  

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6. "My guess: '4:44' = 'For Barack'"
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(When Jay mentioned Obama on twitter last night, referring to him as 44, a lightbulb went off...)

Though of course, there are a lot of "4" references related to Jay-Z and Beyonce, including their daughter's name.
Blueprint 4?

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7. "It's an exclusive Tidal movie with Mahersala Ali, Lupita Nyong'o..."
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...and Danny Glover.

Maybe Jigga is doing the soundtrack for it too.

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8. "My guy was on Twitter talking about"
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great emcees last night or the night before....

We better not get a MOVIE...

MCHG came out 4 years ago, I'm ready for maybe one last
DOPE DOPE DOPE Jay album.

Let's not forget....
MCHG was pretty good.

Holy Grail ft Jay - sucked

The Adrian Younge joint Timb HACKED
(the joint that made me say damn, this sounds like Jay and Primo) was fire.

Tom Ford was wack.

The Ross joint was dope.
Oceans w/ /Frank is a really underrated Jay song.
FUTW is good. Somewhere in America is so strange, the Miley shit is cringeworthy.

Crown is some dark / On to The Next One stunting shit (always liked that joint)
Heaven is dope. On his Jay Elec shit on this one.
I'll always wish Versus was a complete song. That joint was such a tease.
sorry never got down with OTR.
Beach is better... naaaah and VERSUS -- what is this an MF DOOM album.

BBC - is fun for what it is.

Jay-Z Blue... I've always like the Mommy Dearest joint with the Bigge spirit.
La Familia - garbage.

and Nickels and Dimes --- to ME - it's one of his better closers in his catalogs.
I LOVE THE GONJA SUFI sample.

album was good. it wasn't spectacular, it wasn't the best Jay album ever.
But it was entertaining and I listened to it for a long while.

and if you look at the tracklisting / production credits -- some interesting stuff in there if you're curious.




so I'm ready for a new one as long as he isn't trap yapping.

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9. "I still think Jay has one more album in him...."
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If he goes into album mode with the same energy he carried into The Black Album sessions, I'm confident we will get another great album. Jay-Z has been absent from music long enough to have a lot to rap about.

This would be the best opportunity to drop an album because there really aren't anymore mainstream rap albums coming artists in his era anymore. Nas' album is done (allegedly) but there's no promise we'll hear it any time soon.

  

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10. "He's established a good-bullshit-good pattern"
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For always insisting he's above the noise, he clearly pays attention to how his stuff is received and makes a point of correcting his public perception on his next outing if his last outing was panned.

This is especially the case post Blueprint 1 where he found himself flush with a newfound credibility.

Naturally he doubled down and established the "Blueprint" franchise the next time out on BP 2. Had he just shaved it down to a single disc it would've been great.

No matter, he responded with The Black Album. This was the transcendent record that catapulted him from rap star to rock star. It sounded like a Greatest Hits album then and still sounds like one now.

He manufactured a comeback narrative on Kingdom Come and released, by far, the worst record of his career trying to be everything to everybody.

But if Kingdom Come doesn't blow so hard you probably don't get the fabulous American Gangster record. Who cares if the "why" for it was ham-fisted, it's a great album.

Now headlining festivals across the globe and flush with comeback goodwill, he tasked ascending supernova Kanye West to EP the Blueprint 3. It's a cluttered mess chock-full of Coachella-ready anthems but few authentic songs.

Whereas BP3 was Jay asking the still-junior Kanye to do it his way, Kanye was so massive by Throne that he was able to persuade Hov to do it the Ye way. Throne features some of Jay's most inspired and focused rapping. It's kind of all over the place - that's what you get with Kanye - but it's an example of just how special Jay-Z still could be.

Magna Carta is about as fulfilling as gas station pizza; the prospect of it was exciting, it wasn't especially awful in the moment, but it's shittiness lingered with you long after you've taken it in.

Point is, he's due for something good. I too think he has it in him. But he needs to break from his usual mold. We know what he can do with Swizz Beatz and Timbaland. What can he do with Mike Will ?

  

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19. "I agree on everything except Kingdom Come....."
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I feel like the hype for that album killed it. While you're right Jay was trying to be everything to everyone on that album, there are legit great songs on that album. I see BP3 and MCHG as worse albums.

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22. "Agreed."
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>I feel like the hype for that album killed it. While you're
>right Jay was trying to be everything to everyone on that
>album, there are legit great songs on that album. I see BP3
>and MCHG as worse albums.

^^^ yes. This. But like you said, everything else TW said was on point for sure. He def goes back and forth every outing, essentially.

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11. "SOMETHINGS gotta come out this summer "
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Going back 5-6 years we had Kanye/Jay, Nas, Yeezus, Jay, Dr. Dre.

Not that they were all good, but they were all summer "event" albums that I anticipated.

  

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12. "Dropping 6/30..."
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Posters now have Jay's name on them (this time spelled "Jay:Z").

http://www.complex.com/music/2017/06/jay-z-tidal-4-44-release-date

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14. "I can't believe after that last bust Samsung stunt..."
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...he'd do this shit again

  

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15. "Was it a bust though???"
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I mean...it worked...LOL...

  

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16. "How could it be deemed a success "
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Jay himself admitted it didn't work with the Breakfast Club. Surely thousands checked in to hear the album at just the minute it was supposed to drop and when it didn't work they didn't come back

  

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20. "if you're a plaque chaser, it's got that going for it"
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Stringer Bell
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13. "Could it be "For (4): Obama (44th prez)""
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Has that been considered? Seems like an obvious possibility.

*Edit* Now I see somebody above said that as well.

  

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17. "pretty sure that's what it means"
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18. "I was thinking it was for Blue Ivy and the twins."
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4 (representing one) then 44 (representing two for the twins).

Probably wrong but that came to mind this morning.

The intrigue behind the title will be more interesting than the music, I do know that for sure.

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21. "now you've got me thinking its just an EP lol"
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Tiger Woods
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23. "I have no reason to think it'll be good, and yet I'm holding out hope it..."
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24. "Well I'll be damned. It's actually good."
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31. "RE: Well I'll be damned. It's actually good."
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>

I love how it didn't leak in pretty much any way. Jay is supreme at that. It helps with the 'mystique' so much. Most albums lack that nowadays. I refuse to believe that it doesn't negatively impact how folks 'appreciate' albums. Some other time!

I like this 4:44 after 2 listens. I was almost sure that I wouldn't. 36 minutes too...he got in and out and didn't play around on most of the songs. I'm happy with it. He got in enough 'confessional' stuff to satisfy folks who wanted that but I'm more happy that he can still spit and was willing/interested enough to do it in 2017 for no good reason at all. Maybe not wanting to be considered 'done' is all it takes for cats like Jay. Sweet.

No ID laced him too so there's that.

If 'old' rappers are gonna show up and make good/solid albums now, I'm about to be listening to rap in my 40s. Just when I thought I was almost out, that damn Tribe album dropped.

  

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35. "leaks are usually from physical cds"
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since this is tidal exclusive it seems easier to keep from leaking since cds were always shipped early so they were available on release day.

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25. "Listening now (thanks Sprint haha)"
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__
I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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26. "INBOX PLEASE!!! n/m"
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27. "easiest thing to do is sign up for Tidal with a dummy email"
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and set a reminder to cancel it in 29 days

  

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28. "RE: easiest thing to do is sign up for Tidal with a dummy email"
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I don't want to even remotely support the idea of streaming platform exclusives by padding their number of accounts - even if they don't get my money.

  

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29. "that'll show em "
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30. "is that not what they want?"
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  

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32. "RE: easiest thing to do is sign up for Tidal with a dummy email"
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>I don't want to even remotely support the idea of streaming
>platform exclusives by padding their number of accounts - even
>if they don't get my money.

I'm nobody. OKP is where I'm still doing brain dumps/blog-length posts when I take time to do it. It's 2017. AKA I'm old!

Having written that...

Is it crazy for me to ask folks to 'die on a different hill' than this?

IE: Trump is president. Folks around me are sick / cancer is some ho ass shit. My dog died a week ago and my kid cried like crazy about it and I took my old ass to work right after that shit cuz I 'had shit to do at work'. AKA as I get old(er), I'm firmly clear that there's worse things than maybe incidentally/indirectly giving Shawn Corey Carter a few bucks.

In other words, get tidal. Jam the album. Cancel it before you have to pay. Enjoy yourself. We could be gone whenever.

  

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33. "RE: easiest thing to do is sign up for Tidal with a dummy email"
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Its not that big of a deal really (unlike cancer, trump, etc.) Your reaction seems to be larger than the non-action of asking not DL'ing and asking for an inbox instead.

Seriously though, very sorry to hear about your dog

  

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36. "but you are ok with stealing?"
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>I don't want to even remotely support the idea of streaming
>platform exclusives by padding their number of accounts - even
>if they don't get my money.

your reply makes it sound like you don't want to start a dummy account for some moral reason or some shit, but you are totally ok with just straight up asking for a download link so that you can outright steal it.

weird.

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49. "Yes I am OK with stealing it. Someone inbox me plz "
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>>I don't want to even remotely support the idea of streaming
>>platform exclusives by padding their number of accounts -
>even
>>if they don't get my money.
>
>your reply makes it sound like you don't want to start a dummy
>account for some moral reason or some shit, but you are
>totally ok with just straight up asking for a download link so
>that you can outright steal it.
>
>weird.

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57. "RE: but you are ok with stealing?"
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Moral reason? More like slightly annoyed consumer who doesn't want to jump through hoops every time theres an exclusive hov/ye album.

If I could just buy it I probably would. I don't even really DL music anymore except for instances such as this. Actually - with Pablo I bought the preorder package with the shirt and STILL had to download it to hear it when it dropped because of all of the non-sense with that release. I didn't get the download link from Tidal until weeks after the release.

This isn't the healthcare bill we're discussing - its the new jay z album. Its really not that serious. I swear - nothing stops the self righteous dick measuring on OKP.

  

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34. "RE: So this is dope"
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highlights are 4:44, legacy...

Not really any weak tracks on there. It's too early to say, but i might prefer this to kung fu kenny's project.

those womanising confessionals are resonating like hell.

  

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37. "Jay Z's best album in almost a decade"
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i don't care for the beat to Caught Their Eyes, but man, Jay didn't get that Songwriters HOF spot for nothing.

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45. "^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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Nigga is rapping.

And about grown man shit too.

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46. "RE: Jay Z's best album in almost a decade"
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Content aside, sounds like his flow is lazy as hell on a good portion of the songs. Granted I need a more thorough listen, but that just first impression.

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47. "I don't think flow is "lazy", I think the delivery is muted on purpose "
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Some of these songs actually sound like he recorded them on a laptop in a closet. And I think that's on purpose, this is the most confessional he's ever sounded.

  

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61. "I think that flow is a byproduct of that content"
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72. "it's stripped down. natural. mature."
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i didn't know i needed this style of rap in my life before hearing this shit.

he's not "performing". he's just talking to us. it's a musical podcast. just getting real shit off his chest.

this album makes other overproduced rap albums look ridiculous.

  

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97. "I've heard Jay Hovi's Home the shit outta songs before...."
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I've heard him go in and out and bounce and do a lot of things.
I actually am glad we didn't get Jay doing that on this album.

like for instance... "I'm not black! I'm OJ....... okay."

the way he uses the space and then the way he says the word "okay"
is PERFECT.

4:44 - I didn't need him to You Must Love Me or Where I'm From the flow...
I wanted him to spill his guts and be HONEST.

Remember on Vol. 3, "There's Been a Murder" ?
It's back to Shawn Carter the hustler, JAY-Z is dead.
Minus the hustler part...

This album is a Shawn Carter album.
I know NoID was exec producer and people saying
that he did more than make provide beats on this album (and he did!)

According to the RS article w/ NoID, he said him and Jay really
didn't know each other that well.
But when Jay said, whatcha working on? got any music?
NoID said, no not really. wasn't inspired, didn't really want to work w/ Jay.

Then NoID said he went back to using samples, inspired by Quincy Jones
quotes, and articles, and interviews and NoID realized that I CAN USE SAMPLES
because at end of the day - that's my thing and I CAN make something amazing.

Went back to Jay with some music. Asked Jay what he's been listening to?
Said gimme a playlist of what you're on right now.
That's why Jay is credited as producer on some songs.
(the songs where he gave NoID the sample to use)

They'd sit for hours and just chat, speak about life, spirituality, family.
Jay was opening up to someone, from what it looks like, he didn't know well.

As far as Jay "speaking to us"... that's what the flow sounded like on BP.
He was in that zone, conversational flow. It's sort of always been associated
with Jay since RD. DEFINITELY since Vol.1

I wasn't sure what I wanted from this album,
I just know what the hell I didn't want.

What we got was a Shawn Carter album. I love it.
If we get 3 more songs, Adnis and 2 others on a physical release...
They wont be a Trackmasters song sticking out like a sore thumb on Blueprint.

I'll take them. Because if Jay got 3 more he feels that strong about..
I wanna hear them.

This is his most honest album since Vol. 1 when BIG died.

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38. "usedta wanna rhyme like common sense... "
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miss me w/this whole shit

♚♚♚♚

#BYLUG >>> https://goo.gl/1ooFp6

♚♚♚♚

screamin' mothafuck a 12 /
bitches ain't shit /
cops ain't neither /
they huntin' my people /

- i. rashad

♚♚♚♚

  

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39. "Sounds like a very different Jay-z album to me"
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This Album sounds more sincere musically, like it's the first album he really has nothing to prove isn't attempting to follow/create trends or anything just the dopest album he could make. I'd be curious to see how the audience will react to it. It's almost made with a Jcole sensibility. It's just raps and beats and skill it lacks the genre bending and frenetic energy in modern rap. Not really any responses to critics. This may be his best since the black album (admittedly not saying much for some people).


I'll need to give it more spins, but this could be a top tier jay album for me.

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40. "agreed"
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not sure if i like it better than american gangster yet tho

  

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41. "Agreed. Probably the best Jay-Z album we could hope for in 2017..."
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42. "how are the beats???"
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https://soundcloud.com/djchiefone/1992-mixtape
https://soundcloud.com/djchiefone/1993-mixtape
https://soundcloud.com/djchiefone/1996-mixtape-part-1
https://soundcloud.com/djchiefone/1996-mixtape-part-2
https://soundcloud.com/djchiefone/1996-mixtape-part-3

  

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43. "No I.D. did the whole album. "
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Beats range from good to great. None of them are whack.

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80. "You'll like them"
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+
+
+
+
+
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOlIBR_J-Wo
Everything's turning out perfectly

  

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124. "this is hilarious"
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years of reading My_SP1200's posts here + this response = i can guess exactly what this album sounds like





also: link anyone? (apparently you can't sign up for Tidal freetrials in costa rica)

  

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44. "The Story of OJ (Video):"
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https://streamable.com/frvxd

dope af

ITZSOWEEZEE
http://www.itzsoweezee.com

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48. "I signed up for Tidal too late"
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Can I just buy the fucking thing?

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50. "have you tried? I signed up last night at 8pm"
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seems like they caught it last minute...they're saying the deadline was 6/26 but I signed up last night

  

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51. "Lol, right? Fuck Sprint too. Shitty ass network and all. "
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>Can I just buy the fucking thing?

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52. "Let me just switch to a shittier service so I can hear an album"
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I'll eat the $200 early cancellation fee no problem.

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53. "it begs the question of who, if anyone, is big enough to do this"
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could even Taylor Swift persuade enough people to make that kind of move?

  

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68. "If she tried, she would need to do a full court press marketing wise"
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Its possible but i cant imagine it would do super numbers but it may not take a ton to reap the benefits

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56. "RE: Let me just switch to a shittier service so I can hear an album"
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>I'll eat the $200 early cancellation fee no problem.


I guess you mean sprint...

but you can sign up for Tidal for free...


You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.

  

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67. "Yea, if you sign up for Tidal today u still cant listen to the album w/o..."
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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58. "It's out there"
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I just burned it to a CD and about to see how it sounds in the whip. Fuck Tidal.

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54. "We had a post about best rap album by someone over 40 didn't we?"
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....because this is the one.

phemom's the name, all-star writer/
searching 4 journalistic fame, mindframe igniter....www.twitter.com/hayabusaage

  

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55. "nah De La and Tribe do. n/m"
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*CROCKER*

word booty.

HSUBAKCITS




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60. "Nope."
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66. "Common's Black America Again deserves mention as well."
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I'm still waiting for that to get pressed on vinyl; dunno if that's ever going to happen though.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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71. "^^^^ sure fucking does."
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I listen to that album front to back fairly often still. It is so damn good.

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59. "Yep."
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64. "nope"
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65. "YES! "
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62. "agreed"
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I've listened to it like 5 times and I'm still picking up lines. I gotta edit this joint now, I want my little nieces and nephews to hear this



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63. "4 complete listens and I'm really liking this. Surprise of 2017 so far"
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Way more soulful than I was expecting. No radio pop hit, club banger attempts. No I.D. killed it. Jay rappin'.

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Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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69. "so Adnis isn't on here?"
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the song from the teaser.
wonder if it will be released in full at some point...

  

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73. "Young Guru said it'll be on physical copies"
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https://twitter.com/Young_Guru/status/880933874800312320

"Guys calm down Adnis will be on the physical copies. If you guys act right I may slip a couple other songs on there.. shhh don't tell jay"

  

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95. "supposedly. Adnis is a full joint."
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and will be included with 2 more on physicals.

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70. "Jay Z in therapy.....I'm digging it..."
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Pleasantly surprised....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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74. "For being fancying himself so business savvy, this rollout blows"
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It's a shame this is so inaccessible for people because it's actually great

  

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75. "surprisingly good"
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his best since American Gangster

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76. "This is dope"
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Not feeling Moonlight but I can rock with the rest

  

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77. "Only a little over 36 minutes long"
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and Jay-Z manages to take so many shots at so many folks. Gotta wonder if folks will respond in kind.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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78. "And here a dumb Beyonce question"
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Did Beyonce say one of the Amens on Family Feud?

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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79. "all of them"
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shes an uncredited guest on that song

  

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81. "Wise Intelligent gave a better review than I would have (FB swipe)"
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The only thing I disagree with him on is
favorite songs although I like all the
songs. Wise' last hashtag tho lol.

(FB swipe)
OK, JAY Z has always been, IMO, one of the dopest writers/emcees to ever pick up a pen. He's ALWAYS been that dope to me, and has never released an entirely "wack" album. I am a fan (of a lot of emcees). Sometimes I'm a satisfied fan, and still some other times a disappointed fan, and critical from that vantage point - but NEVER a "hater."
THAT SAID, I've listened to the new 4:44 album. I thought it was dope (in a Hip Hop way). I tried to go into it without the influence of other people's opinions of the album weighing too heavily on my own. Firstly, the tracks I liked most were/are - Kill Jay Z, Caught The Eye, and 4:44. I found the album in its totality to be the same braggadocious Jay Z just from the vantage point of a more experienced 47 year old. I mean at his age, if you can't part some wisdom gained from past experience you shouldn't say shit in the first place. its like Chuck D said "At my age if I can't teach, I shouldn't even open my mouth to speak."
I WOULDN'T CALL IT, as many have, a "WOKE" album. I know for some, songs like "The Story of O.J." played a part in helping them formulate that opinion of the album. As well as referring to himself as Nat Turner, and suggesting the rich white and powerful are going to kill him for saying "too much." However, I don't think he said much. He invoked Lauryn Hill as an example, but Lauryn challenged the Pope on pedophilia in the Catholic Church - AT THE VATICAN on CHRISTMAS!!! She denounced American capitalism before a federal judge. Lauryn courageously peeled the skin off of white racism, police terrorism and the oppression of black people and women LIVE ON MTV UnPlugged. She literally forfeited the commercial lime, deliberately and conscientiously, because the lifestyles of the "rich & famous" did not bode well with her psychosocial, psychospiritual and or political orientation. 4:44 couldn't have been a skit in that reality.
APART FROM the recordings that addressed his personal life in detail the album was Jay Z, i.e., dope, witty, clear and lyrically unparrelled as he always is. As far as the "WOKE(NESS)" he didn't expound on anything he hasn't peppered his schemes with in previous offerings. He's always had, and occasionally invoked, the knowledge he displayed on this album in his past works. He's never been stupid, or oblivious to the racial politics of the USA. Many black people not considered "woke" are aware of the racism they face day in and day out in this white power-structure, its hard not to be.
IN CONCLUSION its a dope ass album! No I.D. delivered. Jay Z delivered as he does more often than he does not. But for me, if the album strikes you as "WOKE", either you've awaken in the second level, second phase sleep in the same dream (ala inception), or I've altogether never understood what it means to be woke? In short, I thoroughly enjoyed the album...
#JayZ444
#Woke
#MaybeTheRichestFieldNiggaEver
#WhenLifeGivesHerLemonsLeverageTheLemonadeStand

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82. "That's a review of the reviews, really"
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Seems like he digs the album but doesn't agree with how it's being received?

  

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83. "It's a review of the album and the "woke" claim some are making"
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But this is apparent in the review itself,
particularly if one reads the first paragraph.
After that he goes more into his reasoning
for why he he's not on board with the 'woke'
tag, using specific references made my Jay
himself on the album.
I'll just assume you skimmed it?
But yes, he enjoyed the album but didn't
agree with the 'woke' claim... again,
this is very apparent in the review itself,
particularly if one reads the conclusion.



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85. "It's a bad review tbh"
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But it's a fine response of one's feelings I guess

  

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87. "Put that on me. He doesn't call it a review. It's a FB status."
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I like it as a review tho
*shrugs*




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120. "Here's the IMPORTANT part not in the FB post"
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"FOR THE RECORD, in this assessment of the record I intentionally avoided going in on the several, usual, on time and on schedule contradictions, like say - the billionaire “field nigga” with maids, butlers and no underground railroad or Bacon’s Rebellion to free other “field niggers” (his being black stopped that comparison just short of a Bill Maher moment) - almost suggesting that the acquisition of wealth by an individual in this oppressive system is black liberation, and or “collectively” surmounting this racialized, antiblack power-structure is as simple as having “credit” after all that’s how “the Jews did it” (but did they?)
I chose not to point out how the album - like all Jay-Z albums is rooted in economic determinism as the ONLY measure by which to interpret the world; and or how the album does not seem to address racism from the vantage point of an entire people vs an entire antiblack power-structure, rather on the individual & personal level only.
In my assessment of the album I decided to let the incredible emcee that Jay Z is - live, and not diminish that by addressing what many of us know Jay Z is not, and has not been - by deliberate, conscious and intentional choice, and not because of ignorance nor “sleep.” That being - a BLACK NATIONALIST!"

Full post: http://wiseintelligent.tumblr.com/post/162473736321/the-story-of-o-jay-z-an-emcees-assessment-of-444

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84. "No ID has beat makers around the world shedding a tear..."
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...the production is amazing.
jay did his thing too...

Couldn't have asked for a better album from him

  

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86. "Rolling Stone interviews No I.D. (laink x good read)"
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I.D. breaks down how the record happened. Looking forward to the 3 extra tracks, and if Vic Mensa got beats as good as Hov got the album is gonna be awesome.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/444-producer-no-id-talks-pushing-jay-z-creating-500-ideas-w490602

If I were a rapper w/a budget I'd be calling about those other 450 odd beats...

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88. "Man, we've gotten away from using one producer for a whole album"
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and this is what makes this album so dope.

That was a great read.

shut up already, damn

  

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89. "No I.D. is a true producer."
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I recall Common talking about how No ID
pushed him to bring it harder on tracks,
because Com was coming weak on his first
takes. Reading No ID talk about how he
basically played therapist to Jay as he
opened up, then pushed him to tell WHY
he wanted a Picasso or boxing him in
using the sample. He says he can't take
credit for Jay saying what he wanted to
say, but it sounds like he's responsible
for us not getting run-of-the mill Jay-Z
lyrics and him bringing us another layer
of honesty.

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107. "I remember this as well. He's old school."
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>I recall Common talking about how No ID
>pushed him to bring it harder on tracks,
>because Com was coming weak on his first
>takes.

Yea I remember reading this around the time The Dreamer/The Believer dropped. Comm said NoID is the sole reason "Ghetto Dreams" came out as dope as it did. NoID challenged him to rhyme like the young, hungry Chicago kid and Comm came with it in response.


>Reading No ID talk about how he
>basically played therapist to Jay as he
>opened up, then pushed him to tell WHY
>he wanted a Picasso or boxing him in
>using the sample. He says he can't take
>credit for Jay saying what he wanted to
>say, but it sounds like he's responsible
>for us not getting run-of-the mill Jay-Z
>lyrics and him bringing us another layer
>of honesty.

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High Society
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113. "Invocation & Hungry..."
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listened to last night...

along w/ joints like 1-9-9-9, Respiration...
were reasons why Com was my no.1 emcee for so long, even through EC.
(an album now maybe a decade ahead of its time I felt from spin 1.)


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Brew
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116. "Yea. I'm a well-known Common stan but ..."
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>listened to last night...
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>along w/ joints like 1-9-9-9, Respiration...
>were reasons why Com was my no.1 emcee for so long, even
>through EC.
>(an album now maybe a decade ahead of its time I felt from
>spin 1.)

All those songs you just named, and kinda his entire run from like 1994 - 2002, specifically 1997-2000, is amongst the best run for an MC in hip-hop history. He was in a zone very, very few MCs have reached in that 97-00 window, IMO. He was introspective, witty, funny, had amazing flow, cadence, "swag" ... and those tracks you just named are among the best of the best during that period.

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High Society
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118. "including Tek-Zilla and Sun God"
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TekZilla - a more serious Com.
Sun God - a more playful Com. (Try not to say shute around my daughter she already know ta blast)

Respiration - I think he had the best verse.
"...mixing down emotions, struggle I hadn't mastered..."
"From the crib I spent months gone, sat by the window w/ a clutched dome
Listening to shorties cuss long, young girls w/ weak minds but they butts strong..."

plenty more bars in that song but...

"...ask my guy how he thought traveling the world sound,
found it hard to imagine he hadn't been passed downtown..."

I know somebody people in Nola that this line applies to.


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High Society
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121. "who did the beat for "The Truth" on Pharoahe Monch album?"
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"...see the truth in the thighs of a stripper, the eyes of my....
If it's only one then why should it differ? So constantly I seek it
Wondering why I gotta drink a 6 pack to speak it..."


Com used to be my number 1 for years.

Hold the mic like a memory
they say I'm nice with metaphors but these are similes

and then he ends the verse with a metaphor...

just a crazy Chi cat rhyming.

Resurrection -- had lyrics going over my head for YEARS.
I'm sure if I went back to it now, I'd smile at something new
that I've learned through the years, I didn't know then.

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126. "You just blew my mind homie !"
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I'm still coming down from an earlier beach high but you just named so many of my favorite bars from those verses/songs.

I'll come back tomorrow with a more proper response but just wanted to mention all the head nodding I did while reading these 2 posts haha.

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127. "To answer your question tho: looks like it was Diamond D"
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Had to google that one myself ... but shit, that song is so good and underrated. I have fond memories of listening to that track during football season my senior year in high school. That beat somehow chilled me out before games. Which is kinda strange cause I wouldn't really describe the beat as "mellow".

Anyway that song is flames.

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129. "yup...that's a Diamond D gem."
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93. "Fantastic read thank you "
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94. "Fantastic read thank you "
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90. "Damn this is a good ass album"
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very personal
feels like blueprint, if hov had've left "that nigga jigga"
and "all i need" on the cutting room floor

with being said tracks 1-7 is an amazing sequential run

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91. "Is one of the 4's for Blueprint 4?"
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I saw that somewhere...

  

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High Society
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98. "whaaaaaaat? All I Need has to be on BP1 for the bass line alone"
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If you woulda said Renegade.... I might've agreed with ya.
Because in this post, I've said trackmasters joint on BP sticks out like sore thumb.
Though I still listen to it when it comes on.

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108. "All I Need is an unbelievable song."
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Dude's crazy for wanting to cut that.

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110. "^^^^"
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missed me w/ that one too

  

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111. "Church"
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123. "Bink!"
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illEskoBar221
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92. "ya'll catching the shots Hov is throwing all over this album?"
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LOL

Fake Dracos all in the videos lol

The one that really had me chuckling was
"niggas is skipping leg day just to run they mouth"

"I hit the gym all chest no legs" 30 hrs


that was for my nigga 'Ye...cant lie he deserved that

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96. "he went heavy on Ye on Kill Jay-Z"
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You walkin' around like you invincible

You dropped outta school, you lost your principles

I know people backstab you, I felt bad too

But this 'fuck everybody' attitude ain't natural

But you ain't a Saint, this ain't KumbaYe

But you got hurt because you did cool by 'Ye

You gave him 20 million without blinkin'

He gave you 20 minutes on stage, fuck was he thinkin'?
"
Fuck wrong with everybody?" is what you sayin'

But if everybody's crazy, you're the one that's insane

Man listen...

  

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High Society
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99. "yeah skipping leg day just to talk shit, nothing compared to kill jay-z"
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Sat Jul-01-17 08:06 PM by High Society

          

n/m

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130. "but he didnt kill Ye on Kill Jay-z"
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Jay is king on subs
the point i was making is Jay throws these little subs all throughout the album


the Kill Jay-z ye line was obvious for anyone with 2 fucking ears my dude

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High Society
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146. "yet you mentioned the skipping leg day 30 hrs line"
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which was MUCH clearer than a sub, lol.

I agree Jay didn't KILL Ye on the intro.
More or less talking to him about
hey, the way you moving out here got you looking crazy
and if we were friends at one point, to get back on track
some things about our relationship gotta change.

skipping leg day, in no way was a sub.
He ain't even try to sly talk sneak it over people's heads.

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atruhead
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115. "people dont know how to listen to music"
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>You walkin' around like you invincible

>You dropped outta school, you lost your principles
>
I know people backstab you, I felt bad too

>But this 'fuck everybody' attitude ain't natural

>But you ain't a Saint, this ain't KumbaYe


this is either a conversation Jay Z is having with himself or a conversation someone who cares about him is having, the whole song is about breaking the perception of what people see "Jay Z" to be

>But you got hurt because you did cool by 'Ye

>You gave him 20 million without blinkin'

>He gave you 20 minutes on stage, fuck was he thinkin'?
"
>Fuck wrong with everybody?" is what you sayin'

>But if everybody's crazy, you're the one that's insane

this isnt dissing Kanye either, he's stating the reality of what happened

  

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141. "cant agree...."
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Jay-Z drops subliminals and double (triple sometimes) entendres on damn near every album.

Kill Jay-Z is about Jay-Z taking himself to task for things he's said and done. Those lines are directed at both himself and Kanye (only subliminally but still). He does the same thing to Future twice later on in the album. Jay was talking about himself there too...but the subliminal still stands.
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101. "He really went in on Prince's Family"
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I forget which song it was now, but Hov's feeling some type of way about not getting the Prince Msters

Avatar: Long way home

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102. "its his attorney who is named by name"
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The line about selling tickets to walk through his house is scathing

  

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100. "Lank"
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103. "^^^^gentleman and a scholar^^^^"
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that was way too easy lol

thanks

  

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104. "You da real MVP"
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128. "That's it? Wow. Thanks!"
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105. "Easily his second best post retirement LP"
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I'm sure this will end up top 5 Jay album over time. Bring on the physical release!

Trying to figure out which one will be replaced
Reasonable Doubt (1996)
In My Lifetime, Vol. 1 (1997)
The Blueprint (2001)
The Black Album (2003)
American Gangster (2007)

Also, does this put pressure on Nas for his next release?

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ChampD1012
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106. "It’s his best album since American Gangster"
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It’s sitting at the 5th best Jay album on my list...

This album is really good...

  

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109. "For fun, what's your Top 5 Hov records?"
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After this I've got

1. BP1
2. RD
3. Black Album
4. 4:44
5. American Gangster

though admittedly recency bias could explain 4:44 topping AG - I still LOVE the American Gangster record.

  

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112. "RE: For fun, what's your Top 5 Hov records?"
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>After this I've got
>
>1. BP1
>2. RD
>3. Black Album
>4. 4:44
>5. American Gangster
>
>though admittedly recency bias could explain 4:44 topping AG -
>I still LOVE the American Gangster record.
>
>

Only difference between your list and mine is that I flip American Gangster and 4:44...

1. BP1
2. RD
3. Black Album
4. American Gangster
5. 4:44

4:44 can climb to four. I'm not ready yet though.

  

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High Society
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119. "I'll play."
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RD
BP
VOL. 1 (mine is edited - I've taken off Sunshine, Girls Like, Face Off)
AG
4:44 (the physical gonna add 3 songs, which gonna be just as fire
otherwise why include them. I'm interested in Adnis a lot. As I'm sure
a lot of males are that grew up w/o a father or one that was in and out
of there life most of the time)

probably.

If I'm cheating on Vol.1.... I'll add Black Album somewhere I guess.
But... 4:44 will probably pass up AG at some point.

Even though AG is really damn good.

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melanon
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114. "RE: So uh.....what's with the 4:44 thing?"
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album is borderline embarrassing.

  

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117. "for old crotchety Hotep niggas like yaself, most definately"
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must remind you how much of a teenager you are mentally

  

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125. "chill with the hotep shit"
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nothing slick or funny about using that word as an insult.

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Hellyeah
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122. "i wasn't expecting such a minimalist album from jay"
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it's refreshing. not sure i LOVE IT yet but it's definitely some good ass shit

  

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High Society
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131. "A third verse on Marcy Me..."
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that's that old Jigga flow on there.
Really coulda used a third verse on that one.

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Dj Joey Joe
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132. "I've Heard It And Hated It"
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It was another thrown together project, the beats were okay but nothing special, Jay seemed too comfortable on the mic but not hungry and trying to do the trap rappin' which never worked for him.

Not a hater just heard way better material from him many years ago and expect that same vibe every album not just once in a blue moon, he's trying to go into Nas, Kanye, & Common's lane with subject matter but almost five to ten years too late homie...stay in your "Hustler" lane.

I've never cared for his personal rhymes on his albums and now he's tried to make a bunch of them and just bored me to skip to the next song after the first verse.

No I.D.'s beats aren't bad just plain, he did a better job when he got backed with Common, but even those beats were just aight, a friend said this album worked cause of the "one producer, one rapper" theory but to me it made me not hyped to want to hear the next song cause I knew it would all be on the same vibe, if a producer doesn't make me turn up my speaker or nod my head by the third track, then you ain't doing your job homie...no disrespect to No I.D. cause I still bump his solo album from time to time and miss that sound.

I'm glad I didn't have to pay for this cd or get it as a promo cause I would've hate to throw it in the trash or collect dust.


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melanon
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133. "RE: I've Heard It And Hated It"
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^^^^Church!

  

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140. "yup... the album is cool... but i dont see myself going back to it.."
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...beats are fine, but nothing amazing ...the way people were jocking this record i was expecting to be blown away like when Blueprint dropped ..nice to hear jay finally rapping like an adult though


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High Society
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134. "the 3 bonus tracks are out there."
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Adnis - don't know why a bonus track. Whole song about his relationship w/ pops.
We've gotten that content from HOV before, but not like this.
Again, he really opens up and lets the listener in.

Blue Freestyle / We the Family
Blue raps better than these mumble rappers.
The beat is hard as hell imo. But a bit similar to BAM.
Jay flowing, I like this joint and so much instrumental on it
I can see plenty of freestyles coming...

ManyFacedGod
Story joint about the on the run tour together.
James Blake hook.
Last verse talks about fixing relationship if messed up.
some what of a continuation of 4:44.

I made the final tracklist look like this:
Kill JAY Z
The Story of OJ
Adnis (joint about his pops)
Smile (joint about his moms)
Caught Their Eyes
4:44
ManyFacedGod (the first verse works well after 4:44) imo.
Family Feud
Bam
Moonlight
Marcy Me
Blue's Freestyle / We Family
Legacy

final answer? final answer.

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138. "The physical is totally worth it for these tracks"
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>Adnis - don't know why a bonus track. Whole song about his
>relationship w/ pops.
>We've gotten that content from HOV before, but not like this.
>Again, he really opens up and lets the listener in.
>

Beautiful song. I always wanted him to make something like this.

>Blue Freestyle / We the Family
>Blue raps better than these mumble rappers.
>The beat is hard as hell imo. But a bit similar to BAM.
>Jay flowing, I like this joint and so much instrumental on it
>I can see plenty of freestyles coming...
>

Funny, she reminded me of Lil B on his based freestyle shit. And coincidentally, the title of the next song...

>ManyFacedGod
>Story joint about the on the run tour together.
>James Blake hook.
>Last verse talks about fixing relationship if messed up.
>some what of a continuation of 4:44.
>

Yeah, totally in theme with the album. Wonder why it was removed.

>I made the final tracklist look like this:
>Kill JAY Z
>The Story of OJ
>Adnis (joint about his pops)
>Smile (joint about his moms)
>Caught Their Eyes
>4:44
>ManyFacedGod (the first verse works well after 4:44) imo.
>Family Feud
>Bam
>Moonlight
>Marcy Me
>Blue's Freestyle / We Family
>Legacy
>

Looks good to me!

PRINCE beat tape https://chrisp.bandcamp.com/album/17th-day

D'ANGELO beat tape https://chrisp.bandcamp.com/album/smack-your-ass-pull-your-hair

INVISIBLE
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Hellyeah
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142. "them joints are fiyyyaaaaaa"
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135. "He better not take another 4 years to drop something else."
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Especially since Watch The Throne 2 is dead in the water.


I don't think Hov will ever retire, but I don't know what will pull him out of the business man mode once he finishes this next tour.

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136. "Jay is at a point in his career where he can drop an LP twice a decade"
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He doesn't need to drop every two years

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137. "Up on Apple Music / iTunes as of today n/m"
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139. "Thank you. Copped."
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I'll cop the physical on vinyl, if possible.

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143. "Could this be the final album???"
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If so, it would be a good way to close his career

  

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144. "Adnis "
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is incredible, how was this left off!?

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High Society
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147. "switch the track listing up to like this "
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if able to however you listen...

Kill Jay Z
Story of OJ
Adnis (pops joint)
Smile (Gloria joint)
Caught Their Eyes
4:44

ManyfacedGod (first verse works well after 4:44, talking about On the Run tour
working through their issues together)
speaking of this joint, never thought I'd hear Jay rap over something like this
w/ James Blake on there.

Family Feud
BAM
Moonlight
Marcy Me
Blue's Freestyle / We Family
Legacy

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148. "It's on the physical release"
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145. "Free 6 month Tidal subscription when purchased from Best Buy"
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Guess I'm bout to give a streaming service some run

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Brew
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149. "Shit, this is good."
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I mostly dig on the production. It's intricate but understated. NoID didn't reinvent the wheel or anything like that but I just love his lush soundscapes. He always brings it.

I could do without the choppy flow Jay utilizes on a few tracks ... like the spoken word stuff. The content I love but I prefer rhyming in rhythm. That said, I can still appreciate that approach from him in trying to convey the message(s) he wanted to get across.

It's not a perfect album but I love the succinctness of it and it's definitely got a lot to unpack. But production-wise I'm in love with it for sure.

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High Society
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150. "If I remember correctly,"
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you have said your "younger" lol.... than most on here.
Could be someone else, but if don't mind me asking,
how old are you?

answer may or may not lead me to ask another question, lol

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Brew
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151. "Well I just realized I worded something really poorly. I'm 33 ..."
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... so not young at all. Haha.

But if you're about to reference my comment about the spoken word stuff, I worded that terribly. I love spoken word. Am a big fan of Malik Yusef and recently got a bit into The Last Poets and some other random spoken word stuff.

What I meant was that I'm not a huge fan of it coming from Jay. And to be even more specific, I really liked it when it was just on "Story of OJ" but was unhappy to find that he did it on a few other songs as well.

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High Society
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152. "yeah we same age"
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Mon Jul-10-17 07:25 PM by High Society

          

I asked if younger because of some of the content.

Most people I've talked to about the album, have been our age or older
and so the "grown up" honest Jay-Z is what we've wanted to hear
for quite a while.

He's not the coolest guy in the room rhyming Jay-Z.
I love that Jay-Z lol.
But if would've got that on this album, I would've questioned
the man whose music I've loved since first "got him."
Meaning - hearing an album cut and saying oh shit - there's waaaaaay more
to this cat than just these dumb singles from Vol.1 and HKL.

Didn't really "discover" Jay till 98.

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Brew
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153. "Totally."
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>I asked if younger because of some of the content.
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>Most people I've talked to about the album, have been our age
>or older
>and so the "grown up" honest Jay-Z is what we've wanted to
>hear
>for quite a while.

For sure. I said that to someone when I started reading the reviews of the album; my biggest gripes with BP3 and thereafter were primarily that it was transparent how badly he was just chasing trends rather than being honest with his audience. Everyone saw right through that bullshit. Which is why Life is Good resonated so much with us 90s cats, cause Nas was BRUUUUUTALLY honest with us (didn't hurt that the production was dope and he was rhyming his ass off too, no matter the content).

This album isn't *quite* on the level of Life is Good but it's in the same vein and comparable in so many ways. Damn good effort by Jay. Never thought I'd like another Jay album again.

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High Society
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155. "is Nas your fav ever? lol"
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your life is good comments make me think, yes.

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Brew
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156. "#2"
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Common is my personal #1.

But I am not, by any means, your typical "Nas won" JayZ hater. At all. Big JayZ fan, too. Just a bigger Nas fan. Haha.

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High Society
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157. "I really like Life is Good."
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it's one of Nas' best albums... but because of the production.
Nas always gonna be a great lyricist.
Some amazing lyrical displays on that album:

No Introduction
Locomotive and the return of Large P
A Queens Story - a different flow for Nas.
(Remi beat, meh. But the lyrics make ya listen.)

Daughters
World's an Addiction - I like a lot because of Nas' rhymes.
It's like One Mic where he gets to that point where you're just like
goddamn is he gonna stop rhyming? Just builds and builds.

all this from memory so if I forget one you think I should mention lemme know.

You Wouldn't Understand... prolly my fav song on the album.
Buckwild knows Nas' tempo like none other.
You Wouldn't Understand has that Nas flow where he's so in the pocket
that the vibe is just perfect. It's the perfect Nas bop.

The Don has been my joint since first heard it. That's just my steezo

Stay -- guess who is on the beat... haha, if the content Nas was dropping?
IE - if he was talking to Kelis.... it'd be the same thing that 4:44 is... lol.

Bye Baby - the opposite of 4:44... lol. another honest joint.


GREAT FUCKING NAS ALBUM.
I love Nas. probably in my top 5.
He rotates in and out of the bottom of it a lot of times.

Jay
Ghost
BIG
DOOM
and a few others including Nas, Prodigy, 3Stacks, and
sometimes I'll even put the guy who was my number 1
and nobody could ever tell me different.... Common lol.
But Common had other interests, nothing wrong with that.
I'm glad he's getting Hollywood dough here and there.
But his music has suffered in spots because of it, imo.
Never the less - if I had to pick 5 rappers music to bring on an island
forever and those were the only 5 rappers I could have....
(every song they've ever been on... freestyles, features, everything)

Com prolly gets to the island over Nas.
Shit - Big would probably have to come out because doesn't have
enough material.... but you get the point about the top 5.

anyways - 4:44 better than Life is Good lol.
Takeover better than Ether, Nas lost.

lmao - just fucking around.

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Brew
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154. ""Smile" is the best song Jay's made in AGES."
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Song isn't getting nearly enough attention as it deserves.

That beat is just out of this world. I love hip-hop man.

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158. "Smile and Marcy Me are every bit as good as the best stuff he's ever don..."
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Those two are the gems from the album and sound as good right along Lucifer or U Don't Know or Ignorant Shit

  

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159. "Marcy Me is some fire."
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The snare on Smile bothers me so much...
sounds like the cheapest snare on Reason drumkit.

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160. "Third verse on there is among the best in his catalog..."
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Brew
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161. "Yup. Exactly."
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162. "and Marcy Me NEEDED a third verse bc he was killing it."
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163. "Love the 4:44/Family Feud one two punch"
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Those vocal samples are so good. Marcy Me/Legacy sequence is a helluva way to close the album. And that beat change on ManyFacedGod!

Only thing I don't really like is the drum pattern on Smile, it sticks out like a sore thumb to me.

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164. "This is Grown Man Rap..."
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While the youngins can have rap, this grown man with families and children rap is so refreshing.

4:44 is probably my favorite song right now. I just stumbled upon the sample today. Dammit Dion...he did his thing. And naming the song after the time it was written. For a dude to get up at that time to write something shows there's some serious things to get off his chest.

But this b/w Nas' "Life is Good" is so...I don't know...refreshing. Honestly flawed rappers taking off the bravado and being vulnerable. It really speaks to me because it's so different than what was before. And maybe it's timing. Seeing life as a middle aged man shifts your perspective. These aren't the same guys from their debut albums. Finding these cats that have been build up as superhuman have the same problems as the reset of us, and have the ability to turn their pains, problems, and issues into great art is what makes me appreciate their gift.

But the funny thing about both of the albums is that they aren't dark albums. I like this joint and I really don't fool too much with Jay.

You're such pests...now, what is it you want? In your depths of your ignorance, what is it you want? Well, whatever it is you want, I can't deliver because I just don't see it. - Orson Welles


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165. "Jesus. Marcy Me still killing me. "
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Feels like pancakes and syrup the morning after. Like half a J at sunset.

"Hold the Uzi vertical, let the thing smoke/ ya'll flirting with death I be winking through the scope"

  

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