anybody listen to it?

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Last album was better. I still don't understand why dude is so popular.

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Only liked the last song. The rest is a snoozefest.

I liked the last album, but this one is blah.

I read somewhere that he's like a younger, commercial, really boring version of Oddisee. That sounds about right.

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"Everybody Dies", both of those are great to me, and I'm not even a big fan in general

That's part of the problem

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Especially everybody dies.

Had me wondering how cole had managed to stay under my radar for so long.

Was excited to check for his album.

It was snoozy as fuck though.

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has some lines that make me say ha! that was nice.

False Prophets and Everybody Dies actually had me somewhat interested in a J Cole album.

I've listened 3x. It's boring as hell. Production boring as hell.
And usually Cole - at least since Born Sinner - has upped the production game on each album.

HOw many albums does he owe whatever label he is on?
Is he on Roc Nation as an artist?

Did he want to just put something out there to be a Free Agent?

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so whatever he's doing has the young peoples attention. I don't get it but get ya money bruh.

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streams per (something?)
(something) per stream?


I'll give him his props - he built his core die hard fan base from his dorm room and studio at St. John's.


Dreamville - I'm not sure about their artists and if any good - didn't care for that mixtape much though they did rap over a FlyLo beat from LA... which I thought was surprising... Cole going in that direction woulda been interesting.


album def for your eyeZZZ only though.

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"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

somebody somewhere smart said "let's make memes about how j cole isnt for the dumb hip-hop listeners and circulate them on facebook", prompting slightly more discussion (or simply an alternate stream of dicussion) about him, and thus more promotion

lol i just made that up but it sounds right

>somebody somewhere smart said "let's make memes about how j
>cole isnt for the dumb hip-hop listeners and circulate them on
>facebook"

He also isn't for those who fetishize
Black degeneracy and/or dysfunction.
He actually write like a grown, mature
young Black male who seeks to live
responsibly. That isn't a popular
image for us in America... most
are either too dumb to realize it
or enjoying it from the outside.

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afternoon, but it's pretty perfect to me.
It's like the Hip Hop version of Sade.
All the songs flow well into the next
one. You have your slight highs, but
just very consistent throughout.
After listening, I'm convinced all the
"sleepy" accusations have to do with
the fact that it's just the 'in' thing
to say about him.
Really good album, imo.
Content is VERY on-point, and the music
has a consistent "neo-soul" feel.
I fux with this heavy.

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Wouldn't go as far as saying it's the Hip Hop version of Sade.
I agree that the "sleepy" accusations are clearly a popular thing to say.


>afternoon, but it's pretty perfect to me.
>It's like the Hip Hop version of Sade.
>All the songs flow well into the next
>one. You have your slight highs, but
>just very consistent throughout.
>After listening, I'm convinced all the
>"sleepy" accusations have to do with
>the fact that it's just the 'in' thing
>to say about him.
>Really good album, imo.
>Content is VERY on-point, and the music
>has a consistent "neo-soul" feel.
>I fux with this heavy.
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>

http://islasoul.bandcamp.com

he definitely has aa dopeness to him, and he sells, but he's the dopest boring rapper alive. that's not being said cause it's popular. what's popular is to like him, esp judging off his sales. what's honest is people saying he's boring.

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Why would I waste my time listening to something I don't like.
Previous J.Cole albums weren't that interesting to me, but this one
really speaks to me. Sequencing, production, lenght, songwriting, performance, ...
everything works.

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my point is people who say he's boring, or meh aren't doing so because it's popular, but because that's how they feel, just like people who like him probably honestly like him.

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>Why would I waste my time listening to something I don't
>like.

And why would those of us who find him boring NOT listen to something we DO like ?! What sense would that make ?

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I guess that "dopest boring rapper alive"
got you some laughs or something at some
point, because you keep saying it.

>that's not being said cause
>it's popular. what's popular is
>to like him, esp judging off
>his sales. what's honest is
>people saying he's boring.

lol @ this line of thinking.
That makes zero sense, fam.
It was popular to say Drake wasn't
"real" at one point despite him
selling records. Certain disparaging
remark are popular to say about many
artists who sell a lot. Hell, both
sides of popularity (love and hate)
usually grow at the same time.
Only reason it ain't popular to call
Oddisee boring is because he just
isn't that popular in general.
Cmon son.

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people who don't like him, don't like him cause they've tried and weren't that impress. people who like him were impressed. simple as that

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>After listening, I'm convinced all the
>"sleepy" accusations have to do with
>the fact that it's just the 'in' thing
>to say about him.

No. He's just boring. These things don't come out of nowhere. If you don't agree that's great, glad you find him to be more exciting than the majority of us.

But we find him boring. Not because it's popular to say he's boring. Because when we listen to him, we're bored. That's why.

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>But we find him boring. Not because it's popular to say he's
>boring. Because when we listen to him, we're bored. That's
>why.

That's cool if that how you personally
feel, but you aren't the only person
saying it, and many do say it because
it's the popular thing to say.
The world is bigger than you.

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>That's cool if that how you personally
>feel, but you aren't the only person
>saying it, and many do say it because
>it's the popular thing to say.
>The world is bigger than you.

... who told you that they say he's boring because other people say he's boring ? Of course you haven't. Because the people who say that he's boring truly think he's boring. You're hurling ridiculous, baseless accusations at people with their own opinions because you're upset that others don't feel like you do. And that's really weird.

It's OK to have the minority opinion sometimes. And it doesn't mean that those with the majority opinion are just mindless sheep without the cognitive ability to form their own personal opinions. It's really weird to do that shit. Like, a seriously warped way to think. "You don't agree with me and a lot of others don't either, therefore you guys are just saying it because someone else said it". Like how do you even fucking come up with something like that ? It's awkward. Stop trying to play armchair psychologist and like what you like and tell us why. We'll continue to tell you why we think he's boring. It's healthy to disagree sometimes. But don't try and tell me or anyone else that our opinion is just the wolfpack mentality rather than our own feelings on his boringness causing us to say "dude is boring". You're embarrassing yourself.

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>>That's cool if that how you personally
>>feel, but you aren't the only person
>>saying it, and many do say it because
>>it's the popular thing to say.
>>The world is bigger than you.
>
>... who told you that they say he's boring because other
>people say he's boring ?

You can't be serious. People don't
admit to being followers just like
they don't admit to being racist.

>You're hurling ridiculous, baseless accusations at people with
>their own opinions because you're upset that others don't feel
>like you do. And that's really weird.

Not upset at all. Just speaking on
what I see. You on the other hand,
seem upset. You ok?

Don't care about the rest of your
pep talk. I'll continue to say
what I say, and you can continue
to let it bother you.

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>You can't be serious. People don't
>admit to being followers just like
>they don't admit to being racist.

Lots of people admit to being racist.

So ... you actually, honestly believe that there's people who publicly say "Cole's boring as fuck," only to go home and toss on his new album, bobbing their head ? That's something you actually think human beings do ? That's weird.


>Not upset at all. Just speaking on
>what I see. You on the other hand,
>seem upset. You ok?

You're not speaking on what you see. You literally just said that above. What you *are* doing is projecting a strange allegation on those of us who honestly and truly find him to be a bore to listen to. So instead of just speaking on why you enjoy the album, you're spending your time arguing about your senseless impeachment on the "Cole is boring" community. Dare I ask: do you really enjoy his music/this album ? Or are you just saying it cause someone else said it and you are in the mood to argue ?

See how ludicrous it sounds ? Let it go.


>Don't care about the rest of your
>pep talk. I'll continue to say
>what I say, and you can continue
>to let it bother you.

Sounds good bruh. I'll continue to question your mental health.

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>Lots of people admit to being racist.

No one ever admitted to ME.

>So ... you actually, honestly believe that there's people who
>publicly say "Cole's boring as fuck," only to go home and toss
>on his new album, bobbing their head ? That's something you
>actually think human beings do ? That's weird.

Nah, I think those people have various
issues with him and don't articulate
them well... just like the people who
say Drake is "soft" or "not real."
Either way, they don't like the artist,
which is whatever, but it's often
obvious when these claims are driven
by something else. For instance,
Anthony Fantano's review of the album
finds him lying about the lyrics on
"Folding Clothes" (so much better than
the wrong thing VS FEELS so much better
than the wrong thing) to pretend Cole
is saying something that doesn't make
sense, when the omitted word renders
his mountain of a molehill moot.
All kinds of problems with that review tho.
And I generally respect his view even
when we disagree, but this is the 1st
time I've seen him just flat out lie
to support his preconceived "opinion."


>>Not upset at all. Just speaking on
>>what I see. You on the other hand,
>>seem upset. You ok?
>
>You're not speaking on what you see. You literally just said
>that above. What you *are* doing is projecting a strange
>allegation on those of us who honestly and truly find him to
>be a bore to listen to. So instead of just speaking on why you
>enjoy the album, you're spending your time arguing about your
>senseless impeachment on the "Cole is boring" community. Dare
>I ask: do you really enjoy his music/this album ? Or are you
>just saying it cause someone else said it and you are in the
>mood to argue ?
>
>See how ludicrous it sounds ? Let it go.


Funny thing is that was only one part of
my response to the thread, but it's only
part YOU are focusing on. Plus your
critique isn't nuanced in the least.
Kill the attempt at reverse psychology lol.
I am talking about what I like about the
album. So you just gonna lie to support
your point? That's the angle you seriously
taking? Hilarious.



>>Don't care about the rest of your
>>pep talk. I'll continue to say
>>what I say, and you can continue
>>to let it bother you.
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>Sounds good bruh. I'll continue to question your mental
>health.

Ditto.

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>Nah, I think those people have various
>issues with him and don't articulate
>them well... just like the people who
>say Drake is "soft" or "not real."
>Either way, they don't like the artist,
>which is whatever, but it's often
>obvious when these claims are driven
>by something else.

OK - point taken. But people not having the ability to adequately articulate their thoughts is a LOT different than people deliberately lying about their opinions/just copycatting popular opinions. You should've, dare I say, articulated that thought better.


>For instance,
>Anthony Fantano's review of the album
>finds him lying about the lyrics on
>"Folding Clothes" (so much better than
>the wrong thing VS FEELS so much better
>than the wrong thing) to pretend Cole
>is saying something that doesn't make
>sense, when the omitted word renders
>his mountain of a molehill moot.
>All kinds of problems with that review tho.
>And I generally respect his view even
>when we disagree, but this is the 1st
>time I've seen him just flat out lie
>to support his preconceived "opinion."

I haven't seen that review. Still not sure how this example is all that relevant since it doesn't have anything to do with whether or not Fantano finds him boring.


>Funny thing is that was only one part of
>my response to the thread, but it's only
>part YOU are focusing on.

It's the only part that matters to me. You enjoyed the album, that's not worth focusing on because I didn't and would never sway you because it's subjective. But that's kinda my whole reason for focusing on that lazy talking point you and so many others use when people disagree with you. Rather than just enjoying it and stating why, for some reason you feel the need to try and negate others' opinions on the subject to try and elevate your own. It's super weird and unnecessary.


>Plus your
>critique isn't nuanced in the least.
>Kill the attempt at reverse psychology lol.
>I am talking about what I like about the
>album. So you just gonna lie to support
>your point? That's the angle you seriously
>taking? Hilarious.

What did I lie about ?

Reverse psychology ? I'm mocking you.

You talked about what you liked about the album. That's what we're here for. Then you did the extra shit. Pointless and strange.

Re: my un-nuanced critique, I've stated on this board multiple times I want to like dude way more than I do. I've listened to each of his albums and each of them has put me to sleep. He's got all the tools, does so many things I appreciate from good hip-hop artists (limited features, not oversaturating with albums/mixtapes every 4 months, etc.) but he's just missing something. Only one Cole verse has made me jump out of my seat ("My N*gga Just Made Bail"). I can count how many Cole beats I've been hyped about on half a hand. He just ... well, shit ... he just ... he fucking bores me ! There's no other way to say it.

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that your own original post titles kinda slaughters your whole argument here.

Boogie Stimuli: "Maybe it helps that I listened on a lazy Sunday afternoon"

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>that your own original post titles kinda slaughters your
>whole argument here.
>
>Boogie Stimuli: "Maybe it helps that I listened on a lazy
>Sunday afternoon"
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>Oh man. You're one of us !

That doesn't "slaughter" my argument at all.
It's the same condition under which I
enjoy Sade. I don't think either is
boring tho... just fantastic "mood music."

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I knew it was going to be garbage but since everyone online was saying "this will be dope" or "this might be the album I will actually like by him" I decided to take a chance and listen to his album, damn everybody was wrong, that album was just as bad as all his other albums, thanks a lot losers for wasting my time...again.

Like I usually say, if an artist hasn't changed their sound and writing scheme by their third album, then don't expect anything different".

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It's kind of hard for me to imagine continually going back to absolute garbage.

You're not going back blind, you've heard his past work.

Great song indeed

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Cole is really consistent, and does exactly what you would expect in these songs, sort of like Black Thought. Doesn't surprise you, but is more songwriting in the form of rap lyrics (and I do think there's a difference).

...a more interesting rapper

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I like this album.

The concept is much stronger than the music though.

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>anybody listen to it?

I like the album and I like Cole in general. I'm old tho. 39. And I have no idea how folks who love the mumbling crew feel about Cole. And I care not about sales in his case.

But he's solid and usually without significant shenanigans, so I get the 'boring', but I still feel good about basic dopeness. But I'm lost as it relates to understanding what folks want from rappers in 2016. Curren$y casually puts out 100 songs in a year but still seems obscure, and Drake is like 3 different artists in one. Kendrick seems like he's pretty obviously the best 'visible' rapper but folks seem to revolt against him in general...like he got too big for some folks to dig him fully. Tribe just made folks who can't get any music together look bad. It's a wild scene. What about Westside Gunn...does anyone care about him even though we've heard it all before?

Maybe if he would've rapped over the music from Awaken, My Love???

I like Cole as a vocalist.

But he's kinda getting into mood music territory here.

Maybe I'm just not in the mood.

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Yall swear J.Cole is boring tho.
You interchange alotta their music
and everything. Like you can
actually picture J.Cole making
"Different Now" or Oddisee making
"Folding Clothes"
He's no more or less boring than
ya guy Oddisee.
I like 'em both and just don't
see how anyone can dig one and
hate the other unless it bugs
you that J.Cole took a path that
afforded him a larger audience.

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You literally cannot conceive of someone having an opinion that is different from yours. That's kinda bugged out.

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>You literally cannot conceive of someone having an opinion
>that is different from yours. That's kinda bugged out.

It happens all the time.
This time it just looks hypocritical from
alotta yall.
*shrugs*

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I'm revisiting Alwasta right now, with the intention to do the same with 4 Your Eyez Only directly afterward (I was gonna throw on The Good Fight rather than Alwasta, but that seemed like it would be a chore of a listen).
I'm almost completely with you with this comparison...I too am a fan of both artists...BUT, in my opinion, J. Cole is a much more interesting and exciting emcee that Oddisee. I used to be really confused by the "boring" critique about Cole, but once I realized that people are, to a certain extent, describing just how I feel about Oddisee, I just decided to give it a rest.
I didn't realize how similar they were until you said it, though.
I appreciate that Oddisee's albums are so well produced, and that he tries to come with decent, real content, but to me he comes off very condescending -- seemingly expressing the mentality that you've been ACCUSED of exhibiting in this post ("I think differently/am enlightened, you guys are victims of groupthink"), and often sounds like he's rapping a self-help book. I usually don't have a problem with "preachy" rap at all...Oddisee is like, the only (good) rap artist that I feel this way about.
I think what I'd really want to hear is an album of all Cole raps over all Oddisee production...even though Cole's production took a leap from Born Sinner to FHD, imo.

>I too am a fan of both artists...
>BUT, in my opinion, J. Cole is a much
>more interesting and exciting emcee
than Oddisee.

Right? What brought this comparison
to mind was the final track on Cole's
new album. I found myself thinking
how much the delivery and content
sounds Oddisee-ish but just slightly
more interesting. Then I listened to
the whole album with Oddisee in mind,
and it pretty much ALL sounds that way.


>I used to
>be really confused by the "boring"
>critique about Cole, but once I realized
>that people are, to a certain extent,
>describing just how I feel about Oddisee,
>I just decided to give it a rest.
>I didn't realize how similar they were
>until you said it, though.

Thanks. I think more people could see
the comparison if they listen to this
joint with Oddisee in mind.
But I also understand Cole is mainstream,
so ppl may expect something else from him (?)
which actually brings up interesting things
in itself.

>I appreciate that Oddisee's albums are so well produced, and
>that he tries to come with decent, real content, but to me he
>comes off very condescending -- seemingly expressing the
>mentality that you've been ACCUSED of exhibiting in this post
>("I think differently/am enlightened, you guys are victims of
>groupthink"), and often sounds like he's rapping a self-help
>book.

YES! This is my issue with alotta "underground"
artists. What's really funny to me is that the
2 videos Cole released to promote this album
both operated kinda under the same preachy/
judgmental umbrella, and elsewhere in this
post, someone said they were excited from
those videos, but the album was "boring."
I find that fascinating... a thoughtful,
intro/retrospective concept = boring, but
preachiness and judgment = exciting?
Interesting.

>I think what I'd really want to hear is an album of all Cole
>raps over all Oddisee production...even though Cole's
>production took a leap from Born Sinner to FHD, imo.

Yo! I actually think that would be a
great project. I think Cole's not only
more exciting on the mic but also a better
songwriter overall. Damn you for making
me listen to Alwasta wishing Cole was on
these beats now tho lol. I dig the project,
but I don't find myself revisiting it much
at all due to Oddisee's lack of mic presence
on those fantastic beats.
You're right about Cole's improvement too tho.
I think this album was the first time I didn't
find Cole's production lacking at any point on
a full project. FHD was about 90% tho. Born
Sinner was about 60% or so for me on production.

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I like Oddisee but would describe his music as "mood music" which is interesting/funny considering you described Cole's music the exact same way in our discussion above.

I also enjoy Oddisee's production more, but they are so similar in so many ways. Which I guess begs the question in my mind as to why Cole is SO insanely popular while Oddisee remains in the underground lane with a cult following. I totally understand why Oddisee remains in that lane, specifically *because* he's kind of a sleepy artist in a lot of ways. Meanwhile, Cole is so similar but seems to sell so well. I guess promotion has a lot to do with it.

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>I also enjoy Oddisee's production more, but they are so
>similar in so many ways. Which I guess begs the question in my
>mind as to why Cole is SO insanely popular while Oddisee
>remains in the underground lane with a cult following.


I completely think it's the way Cole
entered the game. He was/is a rappity
battle rapper who could make introspective,
thoughtful music who signed with Jay-Z
(which put him square in the limelight
all by itself, coupled with the buzz
his mixtapes had already generated).
So now he has the cult following that
Oddisee has AND the industry behind him.
He also came up at the same time as
Drake and was the Prince to his MJ
so to speak, where alotta people chose
this or that one. As the pure rapper,
he was the guy who was "keeping Hip Hop
alive" to many, while Drake was considered
the guy fucking it up with all the singing.
Alotta ppl who were coming of age at that
time will always fuck with Cole for that
reason alone, and I think that's why he
promoted the album with those two songs
that aren't on the album... especially
"Everybody Gotta Die" just to remind
you that he'll still torch a fake emcee.
After he signed, he played the industry
game by courting radio with some smash single
attempts. Some found them pretty laughable,
but they were good enough to do ok with
label support and a built-in fan base.
With his work ethic, he improved at that
to the point that he doesn't even have
to do it anymore and can just drop and
sell... plus he's just a really like-able
and humble person who sincerely tries to
do the right things irl and not just on record.
But anyway, that's my lengthy opinion on
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>I completely think it's the way Cole
>entered the game. He was/is a rappity
>battle rapper who could make introspective,
>thoughtful music who signed with Jay-Z
>(which put him square in the limelight
>all by itself, coupled with the buzz
>his mixtapes had already generated).
>So now he has the cult following that
>Oddisee has AND the industry behind him.
>He also came up at the same time as
>Drake and was the Prince to his MJ
>so to speak, where alotta people chose
>this or that one. As the pure rapper,
>he was the guy who was "keeping Hip Hop
>alive" to many, while Drake was considered
>the guy fucking it up with all the singing.
>Alotta ppl who were coming of age at that
>time will always fuck with Cole for that
>reason alone, and I think that's why he
>promoted the album with those two songs
>that aren't on the album... especially
>"Everybody Gotta Die" just to remind
>you that he'll still torch a fake emcee.
>After he signed, he played the industry
>game by courting radio with some smash single
>attempts. Some found them pretty laughable,
>but they were good enough to do ok with
>label support and a built-in fan base.
>With his work ethic, he improved at that
>to the point that he doesn't even have
>to do it anymore and can just drop and
>sell... plus he's just a really like-able
>and humble person who sincerely tries to
>do the right things irl and not just on record.
>But anyway, that's my lengthy opinion on
>how/why he's much more popular.

I'd argue that at this point, Kendrick is the "keeping hip-hop alive guy" to Drake's "too much singing/fucking it up". But I think your point was specific to the 2009 timeframe when both Cole and Drake started, and that being the case, you're 100% on point.

To the rest of your point(s), I'm in total agreement about how Cole has played the industry game from the periphery while mostly maintaining his artistic integrity along the way. Which is precisely the primary reason that it's so eternally frustrating for me that I can't really get into him. I want to and HAVE wanted to since Cole World but just can't seem to get into his stuff at all. But all your points about how he attacks his art are directly up my alley and what I've always appreciated about so many of my favorite artists. He's my prototypical hip-hop artist, the only thing missing is music I enjoy haha.

That said, maybe I'll give him some more opportunity in those "lazy Sunday afternoon" style moments and in turn, maybe I'll have a different feel for his stuff. Typically when I'm in "lazy Sunday" mode I go D'Angelo, Bilal, Erykah, etc...that type of neo-soul/r&b rather than hip-hop. But maybe he'll edge his way into that rotation at some point. Who knows.

But everything said about my inability to get into his music, I can't stress enough that I find him to be *supremely* talented both on the mic and on the boards.

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>I'd argue that at this point, Kendrick is the "keeping hip-hop
>alive guy" to Drake's "too much singing/fucking it up". But I
>think your point was specific to the 2009 timeframe when both
>Cole and Drake started, and that being the case, you're 100%
>on point.

Yeah that point when he came into the
game was crucial (hell it is to anybody
really... timing and whatnot).


>To the rest of your point(s), I'm in total agreement about how
>Cole has played the industry game from the periphery while
>mostly maintaining his artistic integrity along the way. Which
>is precisely the primary reason that it's so eternally
>frustrating for me that I can't really get into him. I want to
>and HAVE wanted to since Cole World but just can't seem to get
>into his stuff at all. But all your points about how he
>attacks his art are directly up my alley and what I've always
>appreciated about so many of my favorite artists. He's my
>prototypical hip-hop artist, the only thing missing is music I
>enjoy haha.


Lmao that last line is hilarious, but tbh
I couldn't feel Cole World OR Born Sinner
much as entire projects. I've just always
rooted for him. I'd said on here before
that he sounded most natural and at home
when he was talking about being responsible
and providing for his people/family and that
I wished he'd focus more on that. This album
is that point I've wanted him to make it to
where he's being 100% authentic while still
making dope music. I'm actually even more
excited to see where he goes next, because
this album signifies for me that he's "found
himself" musically.


>That said, maybe I'll give him some more opportunity in those
>"lazy Sunday afternoon" style moments and in turn, maybe I'll
>have a different feel for his stuff. Typically when I'm in
>"lazy Sunday" mode I go D'Angelo, Bilal, Erykah, etc...that
>type of neo-soul/r&b rather than hip-hop. But maybe he'll edge
>his way into that rotation at some point. Who knows.

Same here concerning the neo-soul/r&b mood music.
This one got me by accident. I threw it on and
had listening 2 or 3 times before I realized it...
started focusing on the lyrics and realized it
was much more than good chill music.


>But everything said about my inability to get into his music,
>I can't stress enough that I find him to be *supremely*
>talented both on the mic and on the boards.

Word. I knew he appreciated musicality (from
the way his early productions sounded and the
fact that he said as much) but to see him credited
with playing bass on a couple of tracks on here
was unexpected. Dude is actually growing as a
full-on musician... definitely taking his craft
seriously. I can't help but appreciate that.

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I actually meant to say those exact words in my reply. I actively root for him for all the reasons you noted and that's why I always check out his material when he drops it.

I will report back after I give it a few more listens in those "mood" moments. Honestly I feel like our discussion may have given me a new perspective on him so I hope to have some more positive things to say after I give it some more spins.

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is to be cognizant of the fact that
the album is from the perspective of
a dead friend... 90% of it anyway.
Plays like a mostly somber visual
movie with only the briefest moments
of optimism. You really get the
sense that the feel of the album
truly reflects the life of said friend.

>I will report back after I give it a few more listens in those
>"mood" moments. Honestly I feel like our discussion may have
>given me a new perspective on him so I hope to have some more
>positive things to say after I give it some more spins.

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>is to be cognizant of the fact that
>the album is from the perspective of
>a dead friend... 90% of it anyway.
>Plays like a mostly somber visual
>movie with only the briefest moments
>of optimism. You really get the
>sense that the feel of the album
>truly reflects the life of said friend.

That will definitely affect the way I listen to it when I dive back in. Didn't realize that.

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The fact that Oddisee and J. Cole might on the surface rap about similar subject matter doesn't mean liking one logically means you have to like the other.

IMHO, Oddisee is a better rapper, has better beats, and has better and more interesting albums.

I'm a grown ass man, so the idea of rapper being popular making it less likely to enjoy his music is ridiculous to me. I personally didn't come this album expecting it to be bad. If anything, I was kind of looking forward to it, as I liked the Forest Hills album (which was the first album of his that I'd even listened to) and the two tracks he'd release in advance. Put the album on at the beginning of the Friday commute, and by the time I hit song 5 or so I was looking for reasons to keep listening. As said, above, I liked the final track and that's about it.

Meanwhile, I haven't stopped bumping Alwasta since it dropped. Third favorite EP that's dropped this year. And I still listen to "The Good Fight" consistently. I don't know if I even want to bother with For Your Eyez Only again.

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the White House based on the opening line.
I hope somebody asks him in an interview.

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Never cared for J.Cole and still don't, I listened to his first two albums and hated them, saw part of his live performance show on Revolt but thought the songs needed something more but maybe it was the live aspect of it that was the reason for it.

From the responses & the comments my friends are making about it on bookface, it's the same comments,...it's boring, it's missing the two songs that made them listen to it for.

So I was correct in not listening to him again.

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>From the responses & the comments my friends are making about
>it on bookface, it's the same comments,...it's boring, it's
>missing the two songs that made them listen to it for.
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>So I was correct in not listening to him again.

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this album is jcole turned up to 11. duller beats. duller raps.

<--- Big Baller World Order

he found a lane
and got over at the right time, i liked the last album better.

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Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

It's weird, since Friday Night Lights came out way back when I've been waiting for him to release an album that I think is as good as that mixtape, he still hasn't done that, but this is probably my favorite of his studio albums - which isn't saying much but w/e. It's mellow, organic has some nice use of piano/bass. "Immortal" is probably my favorite track.

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