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"Is K Dot the Greatest West Coast MC of All-Time?"


  

          

Overly Dedicated
Section .80
good kid, k.A.A.d. city
To Pimp A Butterfly

Unless we're still holding on to Cube.

Y'all still got Snoop higher?

Discuss...

  

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RE: Is no n/m
Oct 05th 2016
1
Who is?
Oct 05th 2016
2
      It's Ice Cube and Kendrick would have to do a lot to supplant him.
Oct 06th 2016
23
           K Dot got 4 releases better than Death Certificate?!
Oct 06th 2016
24
           You know, looking back at it
Oct 06th 2016
25
           Where's Kurupt?
Oct 07th 2016
44
                Kurupt, Ras Kass, Xzibit, Too Short
Oct 07th 2016
52
                     X was easily my favorite from the west between 96-00
Oct 07th 2016
55
                     so would I, especially Too $hort
Oct 07th 2016
58
Cube and then Pac
Oct 05th 2016
3
RE: Cube and then Pac
Oct 05th 2016
4
his style is akin to project blowed from the early to mid 90's
Oct 05th 2016
5
agreed
Oct 06th 2016
9
Makes me wonder what might have happened if Dre signed the Fellowship
Oct 06th 2016
10
      Werd?? I thought that was Eazy that wanted to sign FF...
Oct 06th 2016
28
           I could be wrong but I think it was both.
Oct 07th 2016
45
           that crew low key had MASSIVE impact on west coast sound
Oct 07th 2016
49
           Eazy did sign Black Eyed Peas (Atban Klan)
Oct 19th 2016
63
cmon. like it or not, it's 2pac.
Oct 05th 2016
6
Cube,Pac, Snoop,DJ Quik,TOO SHort
Oct 05th 2016
7
Dr. Dre ahead of Kendrick in the MC category?
Oct 06th 2016
12
lol...geez
Oct 06th 2016
14
DR Dre can spit and he could hang with most cats
Oct 06th 2016
30
      just say no to drugs ladies and gentlemen
Oct 06th 2016
32
      Celly Cell and Rappin 4-Tay both rapped better than Dre
Oct 06th 2016
33
           lol...exactly...his points are becoming worse and worse
Oct 07th 2016
50
hahahahahahahaha
Oct 06th 2016
20
Stick to pop & b turkey.
Oct 06th 2016
26
Yuck
Oct 05th 2016
8
Master of Ceremonies? and what does greatest mean anyway
Oct 06th 2016
11
I'm talking entire package
Oct 06th 2016
13
Honestly I don't think he'll ever get there
Oct 06th 2016
15
      That's where the greatest title becomes unfair
Oct 06th 2016
18
           RE: That's where the greatest title becomes unfair
Oct 06th 2016
19
                and they also have real sagging times
Oct 06th 2016
27
nope, Ras Kass better
Oct 06th 2016
29
      cause you dont understand him it dont mean that he nice
Oct 07th 2016
39
      RE: cause you dont understand him it dont mean that others don't
Oct 07th 2016
47
      Kendrick > Aceyalone > Ras Kass
Oct 07th 2016
42
           Aceyalone is my nicca!
Oct 07th 2016
46
potential is there
Oct 06th 2016
16
I remember when "Top Five" came out, and everyone was naming theirs
Oct 06th 2016
17
He's definitely my favorite
Oct 06th 2016
21
It's still Cube, then Pac, for me, but Kendrick is closing in
Oct 06th 2016
22
washed boards strikes again, only Pac greater
Oct 06th 2016
31
I guess it's hard to argue with Pac
Oct 07th 2016
34
technically, hell fucking yes
Oct 07th 2016
35
How is only Pac greater when he has 0 albums fuckin' with Cube's first 2...
Oct 07th 2016
36
but that's your opinion though
Oct 07th 2016
37
Everybody in here is posting their opinion
Oct 07th 2016
38
Me Against the World and 7 Day Theory are right up there IMO
Oct 07th 2016
41
      Me Against the World is good
Oct 07th 2016
43
Why does everyone forget Pac was a west coast trasnplant
Oct 07th 2016
57
I don't think anyone forgets that.
Oct 09th 2016
59
It's obviously about where you rep
Oct 09th 2016
60
Same reason nobody talks about Primo being from Texas
Oct 18th 2016
62
      or Guru from Boston
Oct 19th 2016
64
Talent wise I put Mikah 9 slightly higher than Pharoahe
Oct 19th 2016
65
no one has had this run ever
Oct 07th 2016
40
gotta agree here
Oct 07th 2016
48
RE: no one has had this run ever
Oct 07th 2016
51
RE: no one has had this run ever
Oct 19th 2016
67
      Predator was trash
Oct 20th 2016
73
           disagree n/m
Oct 20th 2016
85
he will be very soon
Oct 07th 2016
53
He's staking his claim, but for me he's not there yet.
Oct 07th 2016
54
Kendrick is only going to get better
Oct 07th 2016
56
He's In The Conversation
Oct 18th 2016
61
no
Oct 19th 2016
66
Snoop, Cube, Pac, Casual, Kurupt, Acey, Ras Kass, Planet Asia all better...
Oct 19th 2016
68
Yeah but you've got shit taste though
Oct 19th 2016
69
So sensitive...
Oct 20th 2016
75
Yep.
Oct 20th 2016
77
Hitokiri = weeeeirdo.
Oct 20th 2016
78
      Yep. The one in their feelings is the one who runs searches
Oct 20th 2016
83
           didnt have to search. I have an excellent memory.
Oct 20th 2016
84
                Nah you just have a long history of being an asshole with shitty taste.
Oct 20th 2016
88
                     Glad you think I'm an asshole. edit I dont even know who you are lol
Oct 20th 2016
89
Gu is easily one of the handful on this board...
Oct 20th 2016
93
PLANET ASIA HAS BETTER?!?!?!?!??!??????????
Oct 20th 2016
74
      one of the worst rap voices ever
Oct 20th 2016
76
           Can you explain a bit more...
Oct 20th 2016
79
           RE: Can you explain a bit more...
Oct 20th 2016
80
                Oh so you haven't listened
Oct 20th 2016
81
                i listened to section 80/GKMC...i tried. like i do w everyone
Oct 20th 2016
82
                Out of curiosity
Oct 20th 2016
86
           kendrick with his putird (multiple) voices
Oct 20th 2016
87
           to each their own, but i don't understand this at all
Oct 20th 2016
92
Cube, Pac, and then Kendrick
Oct 19th 2016
70
Mykah 9 is the best MC
Oct 19th 2016
71
I didn't ask who was the best...I said greatest.
Oct 19th 2016
72
I came into thread, skimming replies for Mykah 9. Took long enough.
Oct 20th 2016
91
I'd probably go with Snoop. He's done it all.
Oct 20th 2016
90
Boots Riley
Nov 18th 2016
94
He's certainly on pace to
Nov 18th 2016
95

Nodima
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1. "RE: Is no n/m"
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http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
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2. "Who is?"
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23. "It's Ice Cube and Kendrick would have to do a lot to supplant him."
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Thu Oct-06-16 03:45 PM by Nodima

  

          

And I'm saying that as someone who thinks it's clear Kendrick has the better discography - he has four releases better than Ice's second best (Death Certificate), but if we want to call OD his first real project that's about on Bow Down / Guerillas in the Mist status and it got there on ambition and potential, not necessarily quality songwriting. Those Cube records are more enjoyable to listen to.


And that's where the argument starts. We're talking about pop music here, and Kendrick hasn't made enough of it. When Ice Cube wrote a pop song, he wrote the best fucking pop songs you could while staying hard. "Today Was a Good Day" didn't need a singing hook to be catchy as hell, and he could get his point across on stuff like "Endangered Species" or "Once Upon a Time in the Projects" without being melodramatic. Ice Cube was a funnier guy, and brought levity to his serious topics that Kendrick often fails or refuses to match.


(All the below paragraphs are just wankery of me messing around with my Handbook stuff because I haven't taken a look at it in a while and I just felt like it so feel free to read the first sentence or two and then give up.)


Granted these are all subjective things and there are going to be people out there that value the high art of Kendrick's work, and one could certainly argue that Ice Cube played it safe by rapping over 'typical' hip-hop beats and making fun songs rather than actually antagonizing his white audience. There's also a lot to be said for how many great projects Kendrick has compared to Cube. I stopped running the Handbook prior to TPAB, but for sake of argument let's give it the same score as Good Kid. Personally, I think Good Kid's a better record by a significant amount (on my scale, 'significant' was about .5-1.0), but I'll concede to popular opinion for this conversation.


KENDRICK LAMAR
1. good kid, m.A.A.d city: 8.95
2. To Pimp a Butterfly: 8.95
2. Section.80: 8.94
3. Overly Dedicated: 6.65
___________________________________
Average: 8.37/10

I'm going to include Straight Outta Compton on Ice's resume here, but my rule was you had to rap on 75% of the tracks for a release to be considered part of your discography originally (aka The "36 Chambers Counts for Raekwon But Can't Artificially Boost the Discography of U-God" Rule) so on balance, while 10 releases would give Ice another 0.5 boost to his average, I won't let him have that here.

ICE CUBE
1. AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted: 9.40
2. Death Certificate: 8.88
3. The Predator: 8.19
4. Lethal Injection: 8.14
5. Straight Outta Compton: 7.91
6. Bow Down: 6.66
7. Guerillas in tha Mist: 6.62
8. War & Peace Vol. I (The War Disc): 5.54
9. War & Peace Vol. 2 (The Peace Disc): 4.99
10. Raw Footage: 4.76
___________________________________
Average: 7.61/10


Within this hypothetical, I'm also willing to argue that Ice Cube was the better MC despite Kendrick now having three albums in my Top 50 - at 44, 45, and 46, respectively - which isn't actually the case since I'm pretty confident TPAB would score a fair amount outside the Top 50. Part of it is the aforementioned enjoyable nature of Ice Cube at the height of his power even when he was calling me a total piece of shit, part of it is his ability to get a point across without any need for abstraction or dramatics. He loses a little for the misogyny and blatant racism (not just toward whites), but I think he gets a pass for the era he came out in.

But more than anything, I think Kendrick has to get the opportunity to have a Raw Footage or a War & Peace Vol. 1 & 2. We also have to see if this current era of production ever falls off - the west coast went from incredible to terrible in record time for a style of music, and the producers Cube worked with hurt his case as much as the work he was doing on their beats; I often wonder if he was really uninspired by the opportunities he had as a musician repping the west coast and it wasn't all Hollywood that doomed him.

Sometimes by the same token Kendrick comes off as, for lack of a better term, a try hard, doing too much just to prove a point about his talent and distracting from what he's saying rather than emphasizing it. I worry that it'll get the better of him at some point and he'll become a #woke Recovery-era Eminem, making gibberish sound good and handicapping his own concepts with bad jokes that took a PhD in rhyming to come up with but land with a thud anyway. I have to give him the opportunity to reach that stage of his career.

I can definitely see him surpassing Cube. Anyway, I'm just rambling because I don't have any assignments at work. One last Handbook thing, just on the raw discography numbers, a Top 10 WC discographies (not straight rappers, but I'll leave Madlib out since his is almost entirely production) list (minimum 3 releases reviewed).

Really helps put in perspective how much I ignored the west through my career, or how little work some of my favorites (like Twinz) ended up doing. I think if/when I rev the engine back up that'd be my first focus considering how hot the west is right now, it'd only be right. For example, DJ Quik is one review away from being on this list, and if it were on of his albums I loved, he'd likely have the #2 spot immediately.

1. Dr. Dre - 8.35
2. Blu - 8.24 (a lot of shit releases weren't reviewed)
3. 2Pac - 8.19 (AEoM not reviewed)
4. Kendrick Lamar - 8.18 (TPAB not reviewed)
5. ScHoolboy Q - 7.91 (Blank Face not reviewed)
6. Ice Cube - 7.52 (LNCL, I am the West not reviewed)
7. Snoop Dogg - 7.47 (Da Game..., Paid tha Cost..., 2015/16 stuff not reviewed)
8. Fashawn - 7.41 (just Boy Meets World and a couple tapes, really doesn't count)
9. Del the Funkee Homosapien - 6.78
10. Tyler the Creator - 6.74


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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

  

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24. "K Dot got 4 releases better than Death Certificate?!"
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TPaB is the only one I'd put above it. The other albums aren't even close.

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25. "You know, looking back at it"
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Thu Oct-06-16 03:50 PM by Nodima

  

          

I'm going back and looking at it and I'm lying. I'll take Good Kid, you take TPAB, and we'll call it 1 album either way.

never been as hot on TPAB as others, I enjoy untitled more but it might not hold up to critical analysis as well.

I was talking out of my ass.


Section.80 scored higher than Death Certificate but the only reason that happened was the subpar skits on Death Certificate.



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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
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44. "Where's Kurupt?"
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52. "Kurupt, Ras Kass, Xzibit, Too Short"
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I'd put all of them on there before Tyler, Fashawn, Blu, or Schoolboy Q.

  

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55. "X was easily my favorite from the west between 96-00"
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58. "so would I, especially Too $hort"
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like I said, as time passes the hole in west coast coverage on my lists stands out to me as its biggest weakness (besides the nerdy premise in general)


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Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

  

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3. "Cube and then Pac"
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Kendrick is putting together a great run though, and it's not over.

Straight Outta Compton, Amerrikkkaz Most, Kill At Will, Death Certificate, The Predator....it's still Cube.

Been on a 7 Day Theory kick lately. That album was so great.

  

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4. "RE: Cube and then Pac"
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>Straight Outta Compton, Amerrikkkaz Most, Kill At Will, Death
>Certificate, The Predator....it's still Cube.
>
Agreed and I would take AMW and DC over any Kendrick project. Kendrick is top 5 though and moving up.

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5. "his style is akin to project blowed from the early to mid 90's"
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He found a way to make that shit stick tho...20 years later!

So gotta say he is mos DEF up there just based on that alone.

Got dope output. Check.
Ridiculous flow. Check.
99% of the time, outshines other mc's on the same track. Check.

At the present besides your Aceyalones, Micah 9's, etc...I cant think of any MC's that could hang with him.

Cube was nice though in his hayday.

Casual is underrated also.

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9. "agreed"
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10. "Makes me wonder what might have happened if Dre signed the Fellowship"
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Thu Oct-06-16 08:21 AM by micMajestic

          

>He found a way to make that shit stick tho...20 years later!
>
>So gotta say he is mos DEF up there just based on that alone.
>
>Got dope output. Check.
>Ridiculous flow. Check.
>99% of the time, outshines other mc's on the same track.
>Check.
>
>At the present besides your Aceyalones, Micah 9's, etc...I
>cant think of any MC's that could hang with him.
>
>Cube was nice though in his hayday.
>
>Casual is underrated also.

and put some really great music behind them. I remember he did want to sign them at some point. For at least 10 years I believed that Fellowship didn't blow up because of the slightly off kilter rapping styles. Then here comes Kendrick....

  

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28. "Werd?? I thought that was Eazy that wanted to sign FF..."
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...but for some reason that fell thru, and he ended up finding Bone Thugs.

Was always funny to me how STRIKINGLY similar Bone was to the Fellowship.

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45. "I could be wrong but I think it was both."
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>...but for some reason that fell thru, and he ended up
>finding Bone Thugs.
>
>Was always funny to me how STRIKINGLY similar Bone was to the
>Fellowship.

Bone flipped some Freestyle Fellowship's style.

Just like Cube flipped some of Volume 10's style.

Organized Konfusion flipped some of Freestyle Fellowship's style on "Stress"... but very few people make the connection.

  

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49. "that crew low key had MASSIVE impact on west coast sound"
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Project blowed is so damn underrated and were clearly way ahead of their time.

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63. "Eazy did sign Black Eyed Peas (Atban Klan)"
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whose first single was a Xerox of the Fellowship
The E is criminally underrated and looked over in terms of discovering talent (NWA, The D.O.C., BEP, Bone Thugs, Above The Law...of course he had some atrocious wackness too: Blood of Abraham and arguably started the cholo rap genre with Brownside)

  

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6. "cmon. like it or not, it's 2pac."
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7. "Cube,Pac, Snoop,DJ Quik,TOO SHort"
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i got Kendrick behind Dr Dre, Sugga Free,Paris,

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

  

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12. "Dr. Dre ahead of Kendrick in the MC category?"
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and i think MC in the context of this post is about rapping.

man, you must have really been on one last night.

  

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14. "lol...geez"
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30. "DR Dre can spit and he could hang with most cats"
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on the west coast tip he could handle his. now Dr Dre ain't seeing Ice Cube's run, however don't play him off like he is Celly Cell or Rappin 4 tay either

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32. "just say no to drugs ladies and gentlemen"
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or you'll post like this.

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33. "Celly Cell and Rappin 4-Tay both rapped better than Dre "
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50. "lol...exactly...his points are becoming worse and worse"
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20. "hahahahahahahaha"
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i just KNEW maxxx would be in this post replying with something brainless. and he even managed to misspell Suga Free's name.

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26. "Stick to pop & b turkey."
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lol

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8. "Yuck"
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11. "Master of Ceremonies? and what does greatest mean anyway"
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If you are talking all around artistry, then no. - see 2pac

If you are simply talking MC - meaning (to me) stage presence and all around performer. Then no.

If you are talking lyricism - then yes, he is.


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13. "I'm talking entire package "
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And I'm simply asking the question.

If he isn't number 1, does he have a chance to get there?

  

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15. "Honestly I don't think he'll ever get there"
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And it's not his fault. Those who came before him are just more important. Does he have an album as important as AMW, DC, Doggstyle, All Eyez On Me (even though I'm not a fan of that album), etc? He's top 5 though.

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18. "That's where the greatest title becomes unfair"
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artists aren't in control of their birth or the state of the musical landscape when they are actively recording.

Let me ask you this then...

Are those albums really better than his? You could argue that TPAB is a better piece of art than all of them.

  

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19. "RE: That's where the greatest title becomes unfair"
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>artists aren't in control of their birth or the state of the
>musical landscape when they are actively recording.

Agreed, but it's also reality that every genre has a "peak time" where the most influential and revered recordings happened.

>Let me ask you this then...
>
>Are those albums really better than his? You could argue that
>TPAB is a better piece of art than all of them.

I wouldn't be mad at that argument.....I wouldn't agree. But I could see the argument.

  

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27. "and they also have real sagging times"
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like I alluded to deep in my wankery up top in #23, Ice Cube gets hurt not just because he got less interesting on the microphone, but because the fall off in west coast production by and large between 1996 and 2000 was EXTREMELY SEVERE. Everyone was hurt by the attempts to make cheap shit sound big budget, it hurt the east too and gave Atlanta their opening, but the west coast practically went into a coma over that shit.

Ice Cube spent his Kobe #24 years playing with Smush Parkers and didn't stay invested enough to wait for Pau Gasols and Lamar Odoms to come back around.

Kendrick Lamar benefits greatly from coming up at the same time as the west had a 2003 draft class like influx of adventurous, smart new producers.

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29. "nope, Ras Kass better"
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by a lot, too


>If you are talking lyricism - then yes, he is.

  

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39. "cause you dont understand him it dont mean that he nice"
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it just means you dont understand all the bullshit that he writes

  

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47. "RE: cause you dont understand him it dont mean that others don't "
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That's some bullshit you just typed.

I'm not even a Ras fan like that but just because you don't like his style doesn't mean isn't nice and that others don't love him.

  

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42. "Kendrick > Aceyalone > Ras Kass "
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46. "Aceyalone is my nicca!"
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16. "potential is there"
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TPAB is the album that gets him there, and he's an artist I won't even try to guess at how his next cut will sound at this point, I was expecting some stronger west coast sounds and he went full artsy

For the icons who get put up there like 40, Pac, Snoop, Cube I really think Kendrick does more on the mic flow wise, fast raps, singing, pitching his voice. I think he got all those top ranked guys in the variety department.

He almost in alter ego territory, so while those greats have the classic albums and great backgrounds/careers like one said above, we in the snapchat chat age where moving past shit is culture, so if his generation and younger people hold him up and he keeps putting out dope albums he can get there.

I don't want an environment where he has to make another "alright" for people to say his work mattered but dude just need more time.

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17. "I remember when "Top Five" came out, and everyone was naming theirs"
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And I listed like 20-25 rappers I felt were qualified of being in a Top 5. It was a month after TPAB had dropped, so that was still sinking in...but I remember saying Kendrick was still new and I wouldn't put him in a Top Five just yet. But then...my homegirl basically said "that makes no sense. He has 4 full albums, and he's been around for 6+ years. You say Biggie qualifies, but he only had 2 albums, and was around for four years. You even said Big Pun could qualify...Big fuckin Pun??? He was around for like two years with only one or two albums!!!"

And it made me think. It's a combo of things that make it difficult for us to put someone who's currently building their resume in a "Top" list, or even giving them a top spot, even if they've accomplished more than folks in the past did. It could even be that it feels impossible to place someone current above those that we grew up on, and those that obviously influenced and inspired that current artist.

With allllllll of that said......I still look at how much someone's impact mattered at the time of their prime. And with that, Cube may have fell off after 96, or even 93-94 to some folks...but NOBODY from the West and possibly even East could touch his 88-92 run at all, especially counting NWA. Pac's 93-96 run was very close...nearly equal overall, but the albums weren't as strong.

If Kendrick comes back with an album next year that's at least 85% of what his last two were...then I think he may really qualify to be the best we've seen from out here, and will even start qualifying for GOAT status.

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21. "He's definitely my favorite"
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At this point, he has been around and on top for like 4 years

He has the content and technical ability to out rap or at least hold his own against any west coast MC who has a comparable discography. With Section 80 - GKMC - TPAB - Untitled Unmastered has a run few (not just talking west coast MCs) can match. GKMC to me was an amazing record and then he managed to completely switch it up and do something even better, more moving and musically extremely interesting (I love jazz) with TPAB. Obviously Ice Cube will be the most brought up, Cube is dope, his solo stuff much more than the NWA record, but Kendrick has a run of 4 albums that I think are fantastic, whereas Cube has 2 (Amerikka, Death Certificate). Honestly, this may seem crazy to some people, but the only Tupac album that I like as much as Amerikka, Death Certificate, TPAB or GKMC is Me Against The World. Pac' has a solid discography, sure, but his highs (album wise, not individual song wise) outside of MATW aren't fucking with those two.

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22. "It's still Cube, then Pac, for me, but Kendrick is closing in"
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honestly, he's about two great albums away from legitimately being claimed as the greatest west coast emcee ever. TPAB holds up against the best west coast albums (hell, GKMC does too), but guys like Cube, Snoop, Pac have a longer track record still.

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31. "washed boards strikes again, only Pac greater"
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and Ioneven fuck with Pac like that

yes Kendrick no. 2, already

Cube is three, and yes you must hold everything after Lethal Injection against him, and I'd still take Kendrick's albums (TPAB & GKMC) over Cube's best. cry

Micah9 is the most technically gifted rapper ever birthed not named Pharoah Monche. His music just never stuck with me, but he still 4

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34. "I guess it's hard to argue with Pac "
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He was larger than life.

I guess with Pac the question is, is Kendrick better than Pac technically and has his output been better?

  

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35. "technically, hell fucking yes"
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that's without question. but Pac had a unique way of speaking on so many topics, and really connecting with everyone. Kendrick isn't close in that regard. Pac had so much output, most rappers will never match that. Kendrick could, but not yet definitely.

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36. "How is only Pac greater when he has 0 albums fuckin' with Cube's first 2..."
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And I fuck with Pac like that. We can also agree to disagree because AMW & DC are better and had greater impact than any album Kendrick has released. K Dot number 3 for now. We'll see what his next album sounds like.

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37. "but that's your opinion though"
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no hate meant of course.


but imho, cube, pac, and kendrick all have albums that can stand with each other.

amw=tpab=me against the world.

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38. "Everybody in here is posting their opinion"
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We can agree to disagree. It's all good.

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41. "Me Against the World and 7 Day Theory are right up there IMO"
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I'd take AMW and DC over them, but I think those albums are on the same level, more or less.

  

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43. "Me Against the World is good"
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I wouldn't call it great. I agree on 7 Day Theory though. That's easily his best album imo

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57. "Why does everyone forget Pac was a west coast trasnplant"
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At the very most he was bicoastal. But the only reason he was a rapper like that was from his time out east.

And I don't say this trying to claim him, but it's always weird to me that people like he wasn't living in the east for a grip of his life.

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59. "I don't think anyone forgets that."
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the music he's known for it not east coast sounding. same with snoop and kurupt.

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60. "It's obviously about where you rep"
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Xzibit is from Detroit
Kurupt is from Philly

But they repped the west in their music.

X even sounded like he was from the East, so much so that I was like "why is this cat saying Cali" when I first heard Paparazzi. It that doesn't mean he isn't a west coast MC.

Pac made California Love and was shouting "West Side" during the beef.

Why on Earth would you be confused that he's seen as a west coast MC?

  

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62. "Same reason nobody talks about Primo being from Texas"
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and he's considered the "Boom Bap" producer even though he was born, raised and college educated in Texas. His sound and style are identified as really being mastered on the East Coast so he is an "East Coast" producer in that sense.

Pac's the same to me. Sure he lived on the East Coast until he was a teenager but his style doesn't sound anymore NY than everyone else who came out at that time because everyone was influenced by the East during that era. In fact MC Ren lyrically and sonically has much more of an East Coast sound to me than Pac.

  

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64. "or Guru from Boston"
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I hear Guru and I think Brooklyn. Well the old Brooklyn, the place where we dwell and the planet

  

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65. "Talent wise I put Mikah 9 slightly higher than Pharoahe"
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>and Ioneven fuck with Pac like that
>
>yes Kendrick no. 2, already
>
>Cube is three, and yes you must hold everything after Lethal
>Injection against him, and I'd still take Kendrick's albums
>(TPAB & GKMC) over Cube's best. cry
>
>Micah9 is the most technically gifted rapper ever birthed not
>named Pharoah Monche. His music just never stuck with me, but
>he still 4
>
>good day

Pharoahe's music kills his though.

I'm going to say it again, and I fully expect crickets

"Stress - The Extinction Agenda" was highly influenced by the stylings of Freestyle Fellowship in general, and Mikah 9 in particular. That was Pharoahe's coming out party, but every style he flexed was previously heard on a Freestyle Fellowship recording.

  

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40. "no one has had this run ever"
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>Overly Dedicated
>Section .80
>good kid, k.A.A.d. city
>To Pimp A Butterfly

people discredit O.D. with "it's a mixtape", people discredit Section 80 with "it's not an album"

whoever you think has the best catalog doesnt have 4 consecutive albums this good

I havent used the word "greatest", just stating facts

  

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48. "gotta agree here"
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pac, cube, etc created albums before the mixtape era. To not consider Section 80 and OD as part of Kendricks overall musical catalog is ridiculous.


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51. "RE: no one has had this run ever"
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>>Overly Dedicated
>>Section .80
>>good kid, k.A.A.d. city
>>To Pimp A Butterfly
>
>people discredit O.D. with "it's a mixtape", people discredit
>Section 80 with "it's not an album"

Yeah, Section.80 is an album in my book. Great one too.

>whoever you think has the best catalog doesnt have 4
>consecutive albums this good

Overly Dedicated never grabbed me like that, but I admittedly haven't listened to it in a long time and didn't give it a lot of spins.

>I haven't used the word "greatest", just stating facts

  

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67. "RE: no one has had this run ever"
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>>Overly Dedicated
>>Section .80
>>good kid, k.A.A.d. city
>>To Pimp A Butterfly
>
>people discredit O.D. with "it's a mixtape", people discredit
>Section 80 with "it's not an album"
>
>whoever you think has the best catalog doesnt have 4
>consecutive albums this good
>
>I havent used the word "greatest", just stating facts



well just west coast, Cube

Straight Outta Compton
Amerikkka's Most Wanted
Death Certificate
Predator


I won't discredit mixtapes if you don't discredit a group album then where he wrote most the raps. Cube's early career still better but Kendrick coming for the spot.

  

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73. "Predator was trash"
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85. "disagree n/m"
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53. "he will be very soon"
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he's about 2-3 projects away

this post reminded me I need to get those early Ice Cube records

  

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54. "He's staking his claim, but for me he's not there yet."
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Gotta get past Pac, and he's not there. i love the direction he's heading in tho, i didn't hop on the wagon until GKMC and still remember the first time i heard that album, i was shocked at how great it was.

That said I wonder how people's location affects their opinion on this. Growing up and living in Cali it's hard for me to say/think that he's better than Pac, Cube, Snoop or even E40 (i know 40 Water's output has watered down some of his legacy, but i'll be damned if he aint in my top 5 westcoast). IMO K Dot is definitely on his way to be one of the greats, another album like GKMC TPAB or Untitled will probably cement it for me.

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56. "Kendrick is only going to get better"
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He occupies a unique space achieving mainstream success while maintaining his artistic credibility.

I would say that the only other hip-hop that has achieved that to this degree was Kast.

And that's what make Kendrick so refreshing.

He has earned the leeway to release whatever he wants so I only expect him to put out more great material because he isn't trying to please anyone.

  

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61. "He's In The Conversation"
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I still have Cube as #1 and Pac as #2 and then I have K Dot at #3 (although honestly I feel like it should be split up between best LA MC and best Bay MC because LA & The Bay are so different).

For Cube still has one of if not the best 3 album runs in Hip Hop history with Straight Outta Compton, AMW and Death Certificate. I like Section 80 but I wouldn't put it on the level of any of those Cube albums. If K dot drops another great album after TPAB (I'm not counting the untitled release as an album) then he can certainly make that claim. The tough thing for him and why some won't put him at number 1 is because we haven't seen the worldwide impact of his music just yet. Cube literally had a massive hand in changing Hip Hop and popular music and I don't know that K dot will ever be able to do that. Just in terms of music though I think it's a fair comparison and if

As far as Pac goes it's hard to imagine anyone surpassing his overall legacy as an artist but I do think both of K Dot's proper albums are better than Pac's most acclaimed album Me Against The World. I still personally like Strictly 4 My Niggaz over anything K Dot has done but I wouldn't be shocked to see K Dot doing an ever better album with his next release because he just seems to be in a zone right now.

  

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66. "no"
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life always offers you a 2nd chance...it's called tomorrow. use it wisely

  

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68. "Snoop, Cube, Pac, Casual, Kurupt, Acey, Ras Kass, Planet Asia all better..."
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i cant even make it 10 mins thru a kendrick lamar album or mixtape

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69. "Yeah but you've got shit taste though"
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It is known.

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75. "So sensitive..."
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hit that inhaler little boy...breathe in your brown paper bag.

its ok.

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77. "Yep."
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The sensitive one is the one with the simple, true, statement.
Not the one being all extra with the inhaler and paper bag bullshit.
Right.

You have shitty taste and a superiority complex.
The end.

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78. "Hitokiri = weeeeirdo. "
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why do you let your feelings get so hurt over a music opinion?

this isnt the first time either.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2968882&mesg_id=2968882&listing_type=search

AND youre a charter member LOL. a 30+ year old acting like a 14 year old groupie. Shame.













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83. "Yep. The one in their feelings is the one who runs searches"
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and analyzes old threads.
Keep going.

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84. "didnt have to search. I have an excellent memory."
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you however, are still a 30+ year old singling out ppl on a message board for not liking your favorite rapper in the whole wide world!!!

LMAO your only response in this thread is to what i wrote. Clearly I struck a nerve.





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88. "Nah you just have a long history of being an asshole with shitty taste."
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So here we are.
Keep reviewing my posts though.

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89. "Glad you think I'm an asshole. edit I dont even know who you are lol"
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or your " history" other than the fact you're (allegedly)a grown man catching feelings over the INTERNET for a rapper a decade+ younger than you lol. That is the epitome of a Stan. Get a grip dude. Do you even realize how weird that is?

I *ALSO* have long ass history of giving away gigs of music here ..from my own hard drives. from way back when. Ask tone or hood.

*shrug*

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93. "Gu is easily one of the handful on this board..."
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who's hip hop opinions I consider.

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74. "PLANET ASIA HAS BETTER?!?!?!?!??!??????????"
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Hell, even Ras Kass himself will tell you his albums and projects aren't as good as Kendrick's. What you listening to???

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76. "one of the worst rap voices ever"
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lol & i couldnt care less what ras kass says or thinks.



kendrick voice is nails on a chalkboard.

*shrug*

>Hell, even Ras Kass himself will tell you his albums and
>projects aren't as good as Kendrick's. What you listening
>to???

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79. "Can you explain a bit more..."
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Not liking Kendrick's voice is a fair complaint.

But I feel if that is your main gripe with him then you should also be objective and fairly assess his other attributes as an artist.

Do you have other issues with Kendrick or just his voice?

Because if it's just his voice then you're being a bit extra in my opinion.

  

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80. "RE: Can you explain a bit more..."
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>But I feel if that is your main gripe with him then you should
>also be objective and fairly assess his other attributes as an
>artist.
>
>Do you have other issues with Kendrick or just his voice?
>
> Because if it's just his voice then you're being a bit extra
>in my opinion.


the shrieking, high pitched voice change ups etc. i cant even bother listening to what hes saying bc of that shit

i never liked lil wayne for the same reason..or Sadat X (before someone starts bringing up rappers from the past with weird voices)

i dont want to hear cartoon characters rap.

i wont even TRY to attempt to listen to Danny Brown for the same reason

*shrug* this new era of weird voice rappers isnt for me i guess

(...neither are the sensitive rap stans that accompany them)

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81. "Oh so you haven't listened"
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I was basically just wondering where you stood with everything else...

Lyrics
Songwriting
Rhyme schemes
Beat selection
Album creation
Concepts and topics

Etc

  

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82. "i listened to section 80/GKMC...i tried. like i do w everyone "
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(edit, only listened to them once..everyone said you have to give it multiple listens to pick up on everything but once was a chore. twice would be an impossible task)

all i could think was "damn he needs a ghost rapper"



>I was basically just wondering where you stood with
>everything else...
>
>Lyrics
>Songwriting
>Rhyme schemes
>Beat selection
>Album creation
>Concepts and topics
>
>Etc

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86. "Out of curiosity"
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are there high pitched rappers that you do like?

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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87. "kendrick with his putird (multiple) voices "
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did waaay better with whole albums and concepts than our "favorite voiced artists" could do on one consolidated EP

  

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92. "to each their own, but i don't understand this at all"
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danny brown i can definitely get, but Kendrick doesn't have any kind of irritating voice to me. i just don't hear it, but again, to each their own.

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70. "Cube, Pac, and then Kendrick"
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and Kendrick can past both of them...

arguably the best 4 album/mixtape start ever from the West...but i want to see a few more albums...even though he kinda don't need it for his argument...

  

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71. "Mykah 9 is the best MC "
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72. "I didn't ask who was the best...I said greatest."
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91. "I came into thread, skimming replies for Mykah 9. Took long enough."
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I'm not saying he's def the best, but he should be on the super VIP short list in this discussion.

  

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90. "I'd probably go with Snoop. He's done it all."
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I'm not a fan of Kendrick. I understand why everyone likes him and I think he can definitely spit, but his voice bothers me a lot.

  

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94. "Boots Riley"
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is also better

<-Fear Ameer

  

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95. "He's certainly on pace to"
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The one-two punch of Good Kid and Butterfly is greater than most artists' entire catalogues.

But trying to overtake Cube (the GOAT/most influential), Pac (untouchable James Dean), and Snoop is no small task.

I'm excited to see what he does next.

Happy 50th D’Angelo: https://chrisp.bandcamp.com/track/d-50

  

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