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SoWhat
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"do the kids like drums or what?"


  

          

the lack of BASS in so much modern music really irks me. b/c i like that bottom. i like that rattling shit. i was raised on it. all of my favorite songs have prominent bass sounds - via drums or guitar or keys. all of them - 'Back to Life', 'Billie Jean' and 'So What' are my top 3, btw.

anyway, these days kids seem to dig songs that kinda REMIND us of bass but there's little actual bass. the songs play w/my expectations - i keep WAITING for the pay-off in the form of some bottom. some rhythm. some funk. but it doesn't come. the record ends. it's like constant foreplay w/no orgasm. or a roller coaster that just keeps going up and sitting at the top but never dropping.

i haven't heard the new Frank Ocean album but somebodies say several songs have 'no drums'. *sigh* i'm gonna listen but hearing that critique made me wonder what's up w/the kids and drums/bass.

fuck you.

  

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Maybe comes from listening primarily on phones/devices?
Aug 22nd 2016
1
maybe so.
Aug 22nd 2016
3
I'm told it has to do with listening to everything on computers/earbuds.
Aug 22nd 2016
2
i'd believe it.
Aug 22nd 2016
4
I dont know about that
Aug 25th 2016
11
Nahhhh, it's actually opposite. They LOVE Trap music, but here's what
Aug 26th 2016
13
my complaint is theres too much bbass, but synthetic
Aug 22nd 2016
5
Speaking my language my man.
Aug 22nd 2016
6
he said he can't even
Aug 23rd 2016
7
Haha right. So many things.
Aug 23rd 2016
8
I think that interview confirms it's
Aug 26th 2016
12
good question
Aug 23rd 2016
9
i think you're on to something.
Aug 23rd 2016
10
ALLLLLLLLLLL they fuckin like is TRAPPP
Aug 26th 2016
14

stylez dainty
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Mon Aug-22-16 11:42 AM

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1. "Maybe comes from listening primarily on phones/devices?"
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SoWhat
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3. "maybe so."
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fuck you.

  

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Teknontheou
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2. "I'm told it has to do with listening to everything on computers/earbuds."
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Plus, this generation isn't driving or owning cars nearly as much as prior ones did, so there's less consideration for how things will sound booming from your Jeep.

  

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SoWhat
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4. "i'd believe it."
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maybe that's why so many records rely on atmosphere - so much treble and so little bass.

fuck you.

  

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C. Thelonius
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11. "I dont know about that"
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Because with the ipod/smartphone revolution also came the premium headphones craze not too long after. Beats marketed itself first, if im not mistaken, to the non-audiophile audience and when it finally broke thru, now you see lots of folks just walking around and even exercising with $300 headphones. Many of these headphones are known to cater to the low end too, Beats, of course, Sol Republic, Sony (their non-premium headphones too), etc. So I don't completely buy this reason.

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-DJ R-Tistic-
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13. "Nahhhh, it's actually opposite. They LOVE Trap music, but here's what"
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it is....Trap = heavy holding rumbling 808's....versus clear baselines, or even sharp short 808 kicks (such as Game How we do, Youngbloodz Damn)

And that's because of the Beats by Dre era...they listen in those big headphones the most, so they just want the bass to hit in those headphones.

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Brotha Sun
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5. "my complaint is theres too much bbass, but synthetic "
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i aint talking moog synthesizers. im talking about that 808 drone bass. theres so much bass that the actual music is obscured (which is okay, because its mediocre anyways).

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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Brew
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6. "Speaking my language my man."
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Just today I said a lot of the same things you're saying, specifically in response to what was posted about Frank's new album. Reading that the album lacks drums made me cringe.

On a similar note I watched this interview a few weeks ago for some reason and wanted to die.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz-elLXQ5Yk

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7. "he said he can't even"
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read bars lol

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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Brew
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8. "Haha right. So many things."
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Kid is The Worst.

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AZ
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12. "I think that interview confirms it's"
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the drugs.

  

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thebigfunk
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9. "good question"
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I don't know that I buy the headphones/computer speakers/quality streaming thing... but maybe I'm just not following the logic.

Have to think more, but off the top:
a) Especially in terms of popular music, one of the easiest ways to
differentiate yourself right now is probably to turn down/off the drums
as a means toward turning down the volume in general. Contemporary
popular music (across genres) tends to be very loud and flat, much of it
being dominated by drums/beats (and blaring synths, I suppose). Turn
down/off the drums, you're already very far along to sounding different.
(I don't mean this as an aim to get radio play, because I don't think
that's the goal --- to be ultra-cynical, cutting the drums and going for
ambience = artsy/alternative/indie/whatever.)

b) I think an argument could be made that we're seeing a new interest in
the lineage of musical styles that tend to give less emphasis the traditional pop modes of drum and bass. I'm thinking here especially of mid-20th c.
minimalists and the more avant-garde composers, but also strains of jazz and electronic/ambient music. It's been a long time
coming and it isn't unprecedented: one of the strange twists in popular
music is how you have this major push toward the avant garde and sound
experimentation in the late '60s and very early '70s (think the Beatles,
Velvet Underground, so on), and that very quickly gets marginalized
(though none of it disappears, of course, staying alive in its own
corridors of electronic music, strains of jazz, and many other spaces).

Anyhow, I'm already writing too much, but there's definitely been a lot
of new interest in a lot of this work. In the last, say, five years, I can think of numerous albums across numerous genres that pretty explicitly nod to, say, the dissonance experiments of 20th c. classical (Of Montreal, The Roots) --- and a lot of folks today explicitly work in those domains (Johnny Greenwood of Radiohead, Glenn Kotche of Wilco). But my main point here is that, with the internet, I think a lot of older stuff that previously sat at the far margins of pop are filtering in: you have Pfork reviewing Reich or Glass albums (or Reich/Glass *remix* albums), you have nu-classical folks working a lot of with popular artists (not to mention the increasing mix of nu-classicalish and jazz-ish folks: see Ambrose Akinmusire), and you have a new interest in "high" performance and visual arts that have a natural connection to "high" musical arts of the past century. So there are a lot of ways that older (quieter? lol) traditions are getting closer to the mainstream than they have in a long time. (I mean --- Kanye.)

The natural genre-busting that has arrived via the internet is critical here, too: you look at the credits and whatnot on Ocean's album, and it's reminiscent of Yeezus in its unpredictability, its many connections to pretty much any plane of music you want to touch. And I think that has helped to facilitate the interest above, whether conscious or unconscious.

Maybe another way to say this is that a lot of younger folks today are clearly trying to make art pieces, and they're consciously or unconsciously reaching back to a wider range of genres to do so? They're interested in atmosphere and aesthetic as much as content. I don't know, maybe this doesn't get at what you're getting at... but I've rambled long enough so I'm post this thing, lol, even though I'll probably disagree with everything I wrote in about 5 minutes.

-thebigfunk

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SoWhat
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10. "i think you're on to something."
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while i agreed that part of this no drums thing is about the kids listening to music on earbuds - i see that from the perspective of the listener.

the acts themselves seem to be trying to make music that's different for the sake of being different. kinda like how a few years ago we were introduced to singing acts w/bad voices. singers who couldn't actually sing. (thanks, Dre 3000 and Kanye). that wasn't brand new (thanks, Tom Waits) but it was new for the time b/c we hadn't had a mainstream act who couldn't hold a note. the kids ate it up.

i see this no drums/no bass thing kinda like that bad singing thing. like acts wanted to explore that possibility.

fuck you.

  

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-DJ R-Tistic-
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14. "ALLLLLLLLLLL they fuckin like is TRAPPP"
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Think about how Bryson Tiller became the hottest R&B singer, because he made "Trap Soul" meaning even your R&B has to be Trap. And Trap is really based on heavy 808's and no baselines, because they conflict...not many songs really know how to use a baseline and an 808 at the same time, because they clash, such as how "Rack city's" baseline clashes with the 808s and gets distorted.

As I say above, the Beats by Dre era may be one reason. I mean, late 80's heads loved 808s because they had bass in their cars, but this Uber era doesn't care much about installing sound...shit, my system is broke right now and I can barely find someone who stays open after 5 to fix it!

But yeah, this era doesn't dance to baselines, either. I remember playing an early set a few years back....and I was playing all the early 2000's upbeat R&B music that had more basslines than 808s, and the crowd wasn't moving much. Then, SOOOON as I played Eric Bellinger "I don't want her" and then Kid Ink "Show me," they started moving, and I realized that I felt the bass a lot more as well. So yeah, the young folks just react harder to the damn 808 than anything else.

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