Whenever we (oldheads) talk about music sucking there is someone always there to remind you that you are just old and that there is good music being made and you just can't relate to it.

I think that is generally true. However, I also think there are periods in American Music history that objectively (though I don't know what that objective standard is) were just bad times for popular music.

I base this idea on the theory that every time there is a revolutionary change in music, it is because music immediately up to that point was stagnating and in a sorry state.

So I think Hip-hop emerged because Popular Black Music (R&B) and Rock and Roll where in such a sorry state. Blame Disco maybe.

I think the same is probably true when rock and roll blew up. I imagine white folks were listening to Connie Francis and Perry Cuomo before Elvis took over.

Yeah there were cool things going on at the fringe (Funk and Punk Pre Disco; Blues pre-rock&roll), but I am talking about popular mainstream music.

Now I am saying all this without being much of a music historian, just interested to see what people have to say.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

...since it came out the a day after Sept. 11th 2001, I knew he was super pissed cause it basically clipsed his promotion on that album even though now people consider it a classic (while I consider it the beginning of the end of his career, that album sucked balls).

To me 9/11 was the end of record labels, the beginning of indie artists getting popular without any physical product, and the beginning of people downloading music super hard.

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The Strokes.....The Hives.....I kinda hate Jack White but him along with the aforementioned was certainly better than the late 90s rock/rap thing.

Agreed.

I remember Clear Channel formulating a list of songs to not be played on any of their stations including Imagine, Hells Bells, Pigs of War, and Walk Like An Egyptian.

Also don't forget.. American Idol premiered a few months afterwards..

Like, 80% of folks who are 35+ will say that, and even some younger folks will. A few will say 99 was worse.

But listening to it all....it's just that certain sounds were "bad" to some fans. So for 97, that was mainly the Jiggy sound, and No Limit. For 99, it was mainly the South's sound that they'll complain about, but it wasn't really dominant enough to complain about just yet. The East Coast's commercial sound in 99 wasn't hated as much as the 97 Jiggy sound was.

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like, 98-2002 ???

all of that shit is awful. Britney Spears, Korn, N Sync, etc. Even the Marshall Mathers LP, which at the time felt fresh and was largely composed to stand in contrast to the stuff that was out, sounds like shit now.

The "alternatives" at the time were, like, Phish, Barenaked Ladies, and Jurassic 5 = zzz. The White Stripes and Outkast would make their contributions, but by and large most of the popular music at the time was objectively awful.

between 1998-2002, the following albums dropped: miseducation of lauryn hill, hello nasty, aquemini, stankonia, moment of truth, you've come a long way baby, still standing, slim shady, mmlp, things fall apart, the battle of los angeles, when the pawn..., a prince among thieves, B.O.B.S., supernatural, operation: doomsday, soft bulletin, kid a, voodoo, love and theft, etc etc etc (i really don't feel like typing the 100's of great albums that dropped within those 4-5 years).

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But usually there's a balance; while the mainstream is dropping the ball usually the underground is thriving. It's when the underground implodes that imho signifies the dark ages

For instance the 80's was a god awful era for rock music specifically because of hair metal. However you still had one of the most critically acclaimed bands of the rock era, Guns and Roses, making noise. And the heavy metal underground was in its golden era (Metallica, Slayer, etc)

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>07 albums
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>The Cool
Good, maybe very

>Graduation
My favorite Ye album

>Below The Heavens
Yawn

>In Rainbows
Masterpiece

>Kala
Three great songs. Good overall

>Back To Black
Classic

>Desire
Zzz

Def a year that made me fall back in love with music

>07 albums
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>The Cool
>Graduation
>Below The Heavens
>In Rainbows
>Kala
>Back To Black
>Desire

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>I base this idea on the theory that every time there is a
>revolutionary change in music, it is because music immediately
>up to that point was stagnating and in a sorry state.


Well that's just not the case.


>So I think Hip-hop emerged because Popular Black Music (R&B)
>and Rock and Roll where in such a sorry state. Blame Disco
>maybe.


That's not the case either. Hip Hop was born in the 70s.
Arguably the illest period in music history. Hip Hop was
kinda born because it was so great, yet wasn't speaking to
a "neglected" segment of youth in society in a relatable way
(which makes a better theory for revolutionary change in music,
actually).


>Now I am saying all this without being much of a music
>historian, just interested to see what people have to say.


Ah ok, no judgment.

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Like the music couldn't have been that "great" to the neglected youth who turned to hip-hop.




>>I base this idea on the theory that every time there is a
>>revolutionary change in music, it is because music
>immediately
>>up to that point was stagnating and in a sorry state.
>
>
>Well that's just not the case.
>
>
>>So I think Hip-hop emerged because Popular Black Music (R&B)
>>and Rock and Roll where in such a sorry state. Blame Disco
>>maybe.
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>That's not the case either. Hip Hop was born in the 70s.
>Arguably the illest period in music history. Hip Hop was
>kinda born because it was so great, yet wasn't speaking to
>a "neglected" segment of youth in society in a relatable way
>(which makes a better theory for revolutionary change in
>music,
>actually).
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>>Now I am saying all this without being much of a music
>>historian, just interested to see what people have to say.
>
>
>Ah ok, no judgment.
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It all boils down to a few styles being offered by de mainstream rater tan a variety. If de mainstream provide a multitude of styles dat cater to "everyone", "everyone" gets satisfied. Wen dey don't, de majority will feel frustrated, left out and alienated (note dat just because some style is more popular dan anyting else does NOT mean dat de majority wants to ear dat style; de majority migt dig all types of crap all over de place but dey NEED to be catered too, oderwise, dey will view de mainstream as crap).

basically, just because *many* people like one style over de rest does not mean dat a majority will dig dis stuff-dey/us *needs* catering and if we don't get dat, we will go underground and de mainstream will look like crap...

'onestly, I tink dat's all it comes down to:wen de mainstream provide a large variety of music dat will make everyone at least a little glad, deyv'e succeded, wen dey don't people will feel alienated, left out and pissed off...