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"A Prince Music Talk: Around The Purple Campfire"


          

So it's shocking news, for sure, and people are going to be understandably upset.

But we all know that the Purple King is all about the music. So
let's have a conversation about the music, since he's keeping it
fonky in the next realm.

For example, yesterday, I was watching this performance from when
he was on Arsenio in '14, doing "Mutiny". Fonky: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMps1ue_024

And now I'm sitting here thinking, kind of as a tangent, that
Common's "Star 69" is probably the one track that's out there
that both Prince and Dilla touched on musically, which is crazy
to me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoIA6hWXh2w

I've always wondered what keyboards and guitar he contributed,
since that's what the credits say. I was always curious about
that.

But what's your current favorite that you were bumpin just
yesterday? Or your favorite Purple Conspiracy. The fantasy
album you always wanted to hear for him. Your curiosities
about the vault. Let's chop it up, if you feel like it.

But as it is, the Purple King has transformed. Here's to an
absolute force of nature and truly one of a kind phenomenon.
The dude that made every musician afterwards wanna drop an
album that read in the credits "Produced, Written, Recorded,
and Performed by".

Thank You Prince.

... Charter member, but I don't post much. LAZERS.

  

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funny thing I was playing a tape of the old Black Rock Coalition radio s...
Apr 21st 2016
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Unless thats some kind of edit/remix, The Continental is on the "Symbol"...
Apr 23rd 2016
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One memory sticks out in my head today
Apr 21st 2016
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Just my ramblings:
Apr 21st 2016
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I was Prince for Halloween in '88
Apr 21st 2016
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FIXED: I was Prince for Halloween in '84
Apr 21st 2016
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can't even post right...
Apr 21st 2016
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I still can't believe
Apr 24th 2016
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      Joy In Repetition...
Apr 24th 2016
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Bootleg from last week's show in Atlanta
Apr 21st 2016
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I had to get someone to buy DIRTY MIND for me
Apr 21st 2016
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Side B in it's entire spin is just WOW
Apr 21st 2016
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If You Haven't Seen it Or Want To See It Again, Here You Go
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you got Lovesexy part 4? With the piano medley?
Apr 23rd 2016
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thanks for this
Apr 21st 2016
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RE: A Prince Music Talk: Around The Purple Campfire
Apr 21st 2016
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I agree with you
Apr 23rd 2016
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that skinny motherfucker's voice.
Apr 21st 2016
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Dammit.
Apr 23rd 2016
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      Solo....
Apr 23rd 2016
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"Pope" is one of my favorite rap songs
Apr 23rd 2016
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man
Apr 24th 2016
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yeah that Emancipation had some cuts...
Apr 24th 2016
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      i made a one disc version
Apr 26th 2016
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           that's a good list
Apr 26th 2016
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                i figured out one of the problems with emancipation
Apr 29th 2016
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It ... still burns me up to think he's really gone.
Apr 24th 2016
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same here. but im not really listening to his music
Apr 26th 2016
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The death of Prince effected me in a different way than...
May 15th 2016
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anyone else trade tapes in the Prodigy days?
Apr 25th 2016
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nope
Apr 26th 2016
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*raises hand*
Apr 27th 2016
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electric chair
Apr 25th 2016
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he only did that one song.
Apr 25th 2016
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      thanks
Apr 26th 2016
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RE: A Prince Music Talk: Around The Purple Campfire
Apr 25th 2016
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i made a list.
Apr 25th 2016
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All My Dreams at #23???
Apr 26th 2016
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i like several other songs more than that one.
Apr 26th 2016
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this is why Prince is great
Apr 26th 2016
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RE: this is why Prince is great
Apr 26th 2016
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nice list
Apr 27th 2016
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I really love your top 3, reviewing this.
Apr 28th 2016
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those 3 all produced the same reaction the first time i heard them
Apr 28th 2016
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A U T O Matic didnt make the cut?
May 15th 2016
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      RE: A U T O Matic didnt make the cut?
May 20th 2016
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does anyone have the ORIGINAL version of purple rain?
Apr 26th 2016
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I only have it on vhs and dvd.
Apr 26th 2016
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      no the version im talking about has diff lyrics IIRC
Apr 26th 2016
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           ok.
Apr 26th 2016
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           Gotta Shake This Feelin
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           RE: Gotta Shake This Feelin
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                if either of you could upload it that would be amazing
Apr 27th 2016
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           per the org, you're talking about an adlibbed rehearsal thing from 1984.
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                yes & I wonder why he changed it up to gotta shake etc for rehearsal etc
Apr 27th 2016
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                     he played around a lot during rehearsals.
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                          I think I got/heard that one
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                               i can't tell what song they're playing
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Money Don't Matter 2 Night--probably my fav Prince vocals
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That song is great. One of my top Prince songs.
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I might have been drinking NyQuil when writing some of those reviews.
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inside his 2004 hall of fame performance (must-read)
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me too
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Rolling Stone 2014 previously unpublished cover story
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We did a podcast on Prince
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santana covering a rainbow children song
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Prince in the Nineties: An Oral History - Rolling Stone
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      now that I've broken the ice, it's a little easier
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last time i saw him was in baltimore
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That's Marva Collins
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      thanks. I definitely know the name.
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well...this made me lose it.
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RE: well...this made me lose it.
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This whole situation is so tragically odd to me.
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as litigious as the dude was...
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So glad Susan Rogers will be at the helm
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Me and the homie are talking about it.
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c71
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1. "funny thing I was playing a tape of the old Black Rock Coalition radio s..."
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just the other week, and this Prince song came on that sounded pretty interesting, it just kept building and building and building and the lyrics were repeating "tell me how you want to be --- done"


I was like "yeah". Then when Steve Williams or Earl Douglass got around to saying the track was called "The Continental" and it was off a Japanese import, I was like, I'm so glad I taped it over 2 decades ago - I'm usually surprised at how many songs I cut off instead of taping til the song ends.

  

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14. "Unless thats some kind of edit/remix, The Continental is on the "Symbol"..."
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Bottoms up....and the devil laughs..




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2. "One memory sticks out in my head today"
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I was 10 when Purple Rain came out. My uncle had the album and copied it for me on a gold Memorex cassette (chrome bias!). He told me he left off 'Darling Nikki' because my parents probably wouldn't think it was appropriate for a 10 year old. I was fine just as I could hear the opening solo to When Doves Cry. It wasn't until I got older and copped the CD for myself that I listened to Nikki, and realized my uncle was spot on. Thanks Unc!

Man this hurts

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3. "Just my ramblings:"
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Close to 15 years ago, I used to mess around doing pirate radio. The homie named Greg had a set-up at his house near the San Jose State campus, and another homie told me about it. Greg called the station "Planet Mars." So starting in late 2001, I'd spend just about every Friday night at Greg's spot, broadcasting music for hours and hours for a range of about two or three blocks. We'd start at around 10 or 11 or go until 2 a.m. Sometimes later. I doubt anyone ever listened, and I never really cared. We called the show "Everything is On the One". We played music and all three of us shot the $#!^ on the air and just had fun. It let me live out my lingering "Pump Up the Volume" fantasies from high school.

Anywho, in July of 2002, we decided to dedicate a few shows to the music of Prince. I can't remember if it was my co-host or I who came up with the idea. I didn't have in-depth knowledge of the man's music at the time, so I visited another good friend, who all with my co-host, was probably the biggest Prince fan I knew and had just about everything he had released on vinyl; albums, 12"s, the whole shot. He generously allowed me raid his collection and pointed out the essential tracks. I took notes and I drove down from Oakland to San Jose to do the show that night (I have no idea why I was up in Oakland that late Friday afternoon/early evening instead of near where I was living at the time).

That night was one of those four hour broadcasting nights. We played music, smoked out, and talked with a couple of girls who randomly decided to stop by. I think we recorded three CDs worth of show (we'd record the shows as we broadcast). I named that them the "Ballad of Prince Rogers Nelson" vol. 1 through 3. I think we got up to vol. 10 over the next few weeks.

Doing those shows were some of my favorite experiences during the Planet Mars pirate radio era (along with the 10-volume best of Wu-Tang boradcasts). Probably some of favorite experiences broadcast on the air in general. I'm glad Prince could have brought that all about.

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4. "I was Prince for Halloween in '88"
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Wasn't old enough to drink yet but my older sister had me hooked. Got to meet and shake his hand in '91. Probably owe my marriage to a Prince vs MJ party, and at least one of my kids was conceived to him. I was on a lot of the old mailing lists. Did a lot of tape trading most of which are either lost or unmarked in boxes.Subscribed to the magazine. Got burned in his first online endeavor. I ended up choosing okp over org as where to come out of lurk mode on forums.

You know that post I made a few weeks back about drums, it's cause I was researching for this study on his drum programming since last month. I did a first draft on Sunday. Been going over it all week. I'm still a long ways from finishing but can't even think of doing it right now.

It was doing this that I came to the realiztion that "Joy in Repetition" is not only his best song, it is the greatest song ever in the history of man. That was going to be a post title I was going to make. I got a whole breakdown too. You know me, I'll defend the fuck out of it. But nah... not right now.

All my fam was calling talking bout are you gonna be ok. I don't think its fully hit me yet. I want to make music right now, but know nothing I can make right now will be enough. Somehow I don't feel like I'll be okay with it until I do. I might try tonight... Ionno.

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

  

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7. "FIXED: I was Prince for Halloween in '84"
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Big PEMFin H & z's
"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

  

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8. "can't even post right..."
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Damn my sister is all up in the Apollo live feed video for like 30 minutes!

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Big PEMFin H & z's
"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

  

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22. "I still can't believe"
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>It was doing this that I came to the realiztion that "Joy in
>Repetition" is not only his best song, it is the greatest song
>ever in the history of man. That was going to be a post title
>I was going to make. I got a whole breakdown too. You know me,
>I'll defend the fuck out of it. But nah... not right now.

that Prince wrote/recorded that in 1986

well, I can because it's Prince

but the released version sounds like so many "slow jams" of the 2+ years following, especially that beginning part

Prince, man.

  

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23. "Joy In Repetition..."
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>>It was doing this that I came to the realiztion that "Joy
>in
>>Repetition" is not only his best song, it is the greatest
>song
>>ever in the history of man. That was going to be a post
>title
>>I was going to make. I got a whole breakdown too. You know
>me,
>>I'll defend the fuck out of it. But nah... not right now.
>
>that Prince wrote/recorded that in 1986
>
>well, I can because it's Prince
>

maaannnnn...that song. this guy. that song could ONLY have been created by THIS guy.
and you'd get no arguments from me...there are several of his that could qualify, but this one is DEFINITELY in the discussions for being one of the best tracks ever, period.



...honestly it's just starting to hit me today ya'll.

or i'm just starting to lLET it get to me today...

  

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5. "Bootleg from last week's show in Atlanta"
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https://soundcloud.com/misterpancakes/princelives

***edit

Sorry for not really adding much to the conversation. I just wanted to share the music from the show but wasn't sure where to post.

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so...if you're into DJing or nightlife...
or DJing AND nightlife...
peep Opening Set Podcast
https://soundcloud.com/openingset

also remixes: http://jonreyes.bandcamp.com

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6. "I had to get someone to buy DIRTY MIND for me"
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I wasn't old enough to buy it, so I got one of my older friends to buy it for me. I couldn't play it loud in the house because I didn't want my folks to know I had the album. LOL. Cool album. I love the drumming on that album! Prince will be missed madly

Bumpin in the STEREO:
Gladys Knight&The Pips
KING-We Are King
Babyface-Return Of The Tender Lover
Brandee Younger-Wax And Wane

  

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9. "Side B in it's entire spin is just WOW "
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10. "If You Haven't Seen it Or Want To See It Again, Here You Go"
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Now that's he's pass, I doubt the lank will be taken down, Rest In Peace Prince.

"Sign Of The Times Live (The Movie): http://my.mail.ru/mail/alex-enm/video/115279/200762.html

"Lovesexy Tour 1988" (part one): http://my.mail.ru/mail/igor.kozyakov/video/82697/82757.html

"Purple Rain Tour 1985": http://my.mail.ru/mail/alex-enm/video/115279/200763.html

Enjoy, look to the right for more vidz.


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15. "you got Lovesexy part 4? With the piano medley?"
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Bottoms up....and the devil laughs..




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11. "thanks for this"
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I didn't keep up the Bowie post I made --- maybe I'll resurrect that next week. Bowie and P work well together, imo, and the music is what matters most.

I'll come back to this post later, but a few things:
- Something made me pull out Parade recently - might've been a post here. It made me realize that the Mozart analogy everyone used to make about him, that he was the Mozart of pop music or something like that, was off by two centuries. He was really the *Stravinsky* of pop music. His playing with dissonance (most notably on Life Can Be So Nice), his bursts of random orchestral hiccups and whatnot, his slightly warbled, off-key synths on Girls and Boys --- Stravinsky all the way. And I listened to the Black Album on the way to work tonight and was affirmed in this: Le Grind, Cindy C, SuperCali, and Rock Hard all have him playing with these unpredictable musical interventions, instruments cutting in on each other, off-kilter rhythms and harmonic digressions --- he was pop music's Stravinsky, all the way (not that he needs a classical analogy to justify him, but it works).

- Over the years I've come to appreciate how *funny* dude was (weird to say that in past tense), much more than I realized early in my listening. And I appreciate more and more how he incorporated that humor both lyrically and musically (again, somewhat like Stravinsky) --- Cindy C's another good example here (even in its darkness), with all of the arrangement's detours and whatnot making for a really fun, at times straight-up comic listen. You could take off the vocals and I think you'd still laugh. And of course there's the lyrical humor, too: so much of his eroticism was both edgy and tongue-in-cheek at the same time (see: the entire Dirty Mind album).

- I've said this in the past, but I think one of his greatest contributions to music was his almost orchestral approach to vocal arrangements, bequeathed to him from Marvin and given, in turn, to D'Angelo. His dense chorded vocal clusters, often unpredictable in their structure and harmonically innovative, were there from the beginning, and he kept them through all of his various phases. They're not just technically brilliant, but they are often what gives much of his music that sheen of mystery and otherworldliness. A good argument could be made that they were his trademark, in a sense... and an inimitable one at that.


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12. "RE: A Prince Music Talk: Around The Purple Campfire"
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>But what's your current favorite that you were bumpin just
>yesterday?

'Mountains' (Extended Version) w/the Revolution. easily that group's finest moment on wax, IMO.

>Or your favorite Purple Conspiracy.

i am convinced Prince experimented w/drugs more than he let on. not that he had a drug problem (at least other than pain medz maybe...) but the man took some acid at some point, i bet. or shrooms. some psychedelic other than the mdma he tried at least once.

The fantasy
>album you always wanted to hear for him.

a few.

1. i wish the actual Purple Rain album had been the first 2 discs of this promotional release, Strange Tales from the Rain: https://www.discogs.com/Prince-Strange-Tales-From-The-Rain-Prince-1978-1984/release/3139238

2. i wish he'd been able to release Come in 1993 and The Gold Experience in 1994 as he wanted.

3. i'm fine w/Crystal Ball 1987 being cut down to SOTT.

4. i still want those re-releases and deluxe editions.

Your curiosities
>about the vault.

is 'Wally' in there? the original?

but now i wonder if his estate will be barred from releasing any of it.

i feel like i've heard most of the stuff i've heard ABOUT. so i'm curious about the stuff i haven't even heard about. there are so many gems hidden in there that i've heard (currently playing the 1992 version of 'Empty Room') that i want to sift through that stuff myself to find more of them.
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16. "I agree with you"
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>2. i wish he'd been able to release Come in 1993 and The Gold
>Experience in 1994 as he wanted.

agreed. as those are some of the better Prince albums in the '90s (and ones I'd rather hear from him) that would have been a better look.

>3. i'm fine w/Crystal Ball 1987 being cut down to SOTT.

because SOTT was such a great album as it was. To think it was ... something else entirely.


>is 'Wally' in there? the original?

One of the few I ever wanted to hear.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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13. "that skinny motherfucker's voice."
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i have a love-love relationship w/'Solo' from 1994's Come and 'Damn U' from 1992's O(+>. b/c he shows off his vocal range in both. those 2 performances convinced me - that dude could sing his ass off.

and, of course, 'Adore'. and those backing vocals. and the way he stacked his backing vocals on so many records...

i have thought his voice was 'unique' and it was but for real he could str8 up sing. and sang too when he wanted to.

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17. "Dammit."
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>i have a love-love relationship w/'Solo' from 1994's Come and
>'Damn U' from 1992's O(+>. b/c he shows off his vocal range
>in both. those 2 performances convinced me - that dude could
>sing his ass off.

"Solo" is a beautiful ass song. Beautiful.

  

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19. "Solo...."
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maannn...nobody's messin with 'Solo'. 'Solo' still gets to me to this day.






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18. ""Pope" is one of my favorite rap songs "
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The "you can be the side effect, I'd rather be the dope" is one of the best lyrics in hip hop to me because it perfectly exemplifies our relationship to Prince and his relationship to us and other artists. I was watching his Larry King and Tavis smiley interviews earlier and his calm demeanor, he was certainly the cause and all we could do is feel the effect.

another point I'd like to make is that I hope Hip Hop in general chills on the sampling and remixes, we know he wasn't big on bootlegging, and I got a friend who took it upon himself to make a remix within the past couple of days. I understand trying to pay homage but if you know Prince's outlook he wouldn't dig being sampled on top of being bootlegged. I wanted to read homeboy the riot act but I know he meant well.

but yeah, "Pope", one of the best rap songs I ever heard.

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20. "man"
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As the world revisits P's catalog and listens to his 90s and '00s discography, the stuff they'd mostly ignored, they're going to be freaking out at how much crazy good shit is in there. The shit we long knew about but most others did not.

Yesterday, pulled out Emancipation for disc 2, which has long been a fav of mine... but wound up playing all three discs while working and cooking dinner, as well as most of the Truth. This after I'd been playing deep cuts from the classic years all day. Shocked at how well it all blended together, but also at how much *I*, as a fan, had forgotten about. Disc 2 of Emancipation really fucking goes, even in its weaker moments --- especially amazing from Dreamin About You on. I warned my wife there was gonna be some corniness and poorly produced shit on discs 1 and 3, that we'd have to skip around --- she likes P fine but doesn't know much of his stuff beyond the 80s --- but apart from a track here and there we mostly listened to them straight. Slave? Fire. In This Bed I Scream? Classic. All the covers on that album are straight. Somebody's Somebody? Should've been a hit.

And the Truth? Shit... only P would think, "I'm going to release an acoustic-ish album" and still have the balls to pull off Circle of Amour, every bit as technical and skillfully arranged and detailed as other epics. Man in a Uniform Don't Play Me, Fascination... a good example of how writing thousand dollar songs was practically his default mode.



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21. "yeah that Emancipation had some cuts..."
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i agree, (as mainly an 'old timer' who has most love for the 70-80's output because thats when i first heard him and what i grew up with) that Emancipation album is one of those 'late era' albums that i will be digging out again because i remember really digging at least half of it, (and if i recall correctly i think it was indeed disc two that contained a lot of the tracks that i dug, though i do remember there being some tracks on the other two discs that i loved as well...ii'll have to go back to see and confirm, but i think thats the case for me too...)....i do remember i ended up making up/burning my own version of Emancipation, it had all of the tracks i dug on side 2 along with the selected tracks i dug from sides 1 & 3, combined into one listening set....and it was right on and very satisfying....

  

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30. "i made a one disc version "
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its not that i dont like songs like the old soul remakes , or sleep around even, but i think as an album, its just way too much to take, and a lot of the songs are too long too. and an album of the absolute best stuff he was making then might have had more impact.

Slave
Courtin' Time
In This Bed I Scream
Damned If I Do
White Mansion
I Can't Make U Love Me
Soul Sanctuary
Curious Child
Dreamin' About U
The Holy River
Let's Have a Baby
The Plan
My Computer
One of Us
The Love We Make

  

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36. "that's a good list"
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It's definitely a lot to take in, and this was easily the first time I'd played the whole album (albeit out of order) in at least a decade. I was surprised at how well it held up though, and how high a lot of the highs were.

I think I would boil it down to 2 discs, bc the 2nd disc can more or less stay the same. (If I changed anything on disc 2, I might take off Emale)

2nd disc would probably include (in no order):
Slave
New World
Style
One of Us
The Love We Make
Somebody's Somebody
Damned if I do
In This Bed I Scream
I Can't Make You Love Me
White Mansion

Runners-up:
JOTY & Get Your Groove On: these are cool tracks but I always felt they needed a shot in the arm (more the former than the latter, which I was dancing to the other night) - regardless, cool solos on both tracks and their atmosphere make them keepers in my book

Sleep Around: underrated tune but a bit too long.


>Slave
>Courtin' Time
>In This Bed I Scream
>Damned If I Do
>White Mansion
>I Can't Make U Love Me
>Soul Sanctuary
>Curious Child
>Dreamin' About U
>The Holy River
>Let's Have a Baby
>The Plan
>My Computer
>One of Us
>The Love We Make


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62. "i figured out one of the problems with emancipation"
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i think the ballads are mostly perfect, and the last few tracks are brilliant, but a lot of the tracks are just too long i think. its like every track ends, then comes back with a vamp, or a latin section, or a second part, which isnt really necessary. i still love it though.

  

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24. "It ... still burns me up to think he's really gone."
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>But what's your current favorite that you were bumpin just
>yesterday?

when it comes to Prince I have to find the time to listen to "My Love Is Forever". Every now and then that becomes my favorite Prince song.

"17 Days" of course.
(side note: I am NOT mad at Dam Funk's cover of that song. a rare moment of restraint for him)

"Money Don't Matter 2 Nite"

I'll always ride for "Time" from ART OFFICIAL AGE. Great song. Really hits me now, because that's the last time we'll EVER hear -that- Prince. The kind of Prince that took me back to the Parade Era.

> Or your favorite Purple Conspiracy. The fantasy
>album you always wanted to hear for him. Your curiosities
>about the vault. Let's chop it up, if you feel like it.

I'll have to cosign SoWhat up there re: Come/The Gold Experience. Those two albums and Chaos and Disorder represent some of the best of the last WB-era Prince records. But the releases of those albums didn't quite match up with what Prince had in mind for them...

I've got so many mixed-if-not negative feelings about Prince's '90s output. Almost all of those albums would be great devoid the rapping and attempts to get on some of that "Chronic"-style party. "Gett Off" is about as far as I would go with that. There's a lot of the Prince I love, with a '90s twist to be found in the era.

I don't know which project had this, but lately I heard a transition from "Can't Stop This Feeling I Got" to the '86 version of "We Can Funk".

If you ask me which album I'd really like to see from Prince (from his old material) redone... it's Graffiti Bridge.

One, make it an ALL-Prince album.
Two, get rid of the weak tracks.
Three, the above "Can't Stop This Feeling I Got"/"We Can Funk" transition gotta be in there.
Four, restore "The Grand Progression".

Vault stuff I'd like to hear?
- "Wally", if it existed. Per Susan Rogers's account, it got erased. But I wondered.

- any of the songs cut or shelved from the original Time releases: like "Colleen", "Jerk Out" (from '81)

- full versions of "Hard To Get" ('81) and "She's Just A Baby" (same year?)


So much more to say, but... man.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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31. "same here. but im not really listening to his music"
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ive heard emancipation, SOTT, and some other things, but i prefer reading about him right now, to listening. i dont know why. easier/better to just listen to songs he produced or played on like stevie knicks' stand back, or sugar walls, etc. i also really dont want to hear that last concert, not for a while.

  

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72. "The death of Prince effected me in a different way than..."
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any other celebrity has effected me. When I start feeling depressed; still hard to believe that Prince is gone, I either play some of his music or watch some of his You Tube videos and I find myself tapping my feet, bobbing my head and just having a happy feeling with a on my face, I even find myself laughing at times!!! Usually, when my other favorite singer/performers pass away, I will play their music in memory of the artist but their is a sense of sadness when I listen to their songs. I have been a Prince fan since, "Dirty Mind" I even got a chance to go to a couple of his shows that year. His shows were like none that I had ever seen before!!! Prince was bold and scandalous right off the top, straight out the gate. I have been a Prince fan every since, "Dirty Mind". I got a lot of Prince favorite songs but right off the top, I have to say...

-PURPLE RAIN...I have read several different peoples definitions of the meaning of this song. This song is so DEEP & heart felt to me and I truly think "Purple Rain" is related mainly to his father, directly from his sons heart, Prince--The Purple Man. "Purple Rain" is my all time favorite Prince song!!!

-Party Up, which was my favorite from the "Dirty Mind" album.

-Party Man...He was definitely the, Party Man!!!

-Girls and Boys, Me and my son watched this video the day after he passed away and it HIGHLY lifted my spirit!!!

-Get Off >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcMJ6l7Y5cs !!!

These are just to name a few of my favorite Prince songs. I am starting to listen to some of his newer stuff and watching the videos. I really wish that I would have seen him live again in his more recent shows, but it's okay because I can watch his more recent shows on You Tube and they are great!!! Even though the newer shows were great from what I have seen online and heard about from others, I've got to say, even though the early Prince shows were not as elaborate back in the day, the old shows were just as good because his early work showed the true genius in him and I am happy that I got a chance to see him during a time where there was only 300, more or less people in attendance, right up close to the stage!!! After Prince started blowing up, I knew that I would never get that close to the "Purple Man" in the newer shows that he performed in...

I Love You & Miss You Prince!!! R.I.P !!!



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25. "anyone else trade tapes in the Prodigy days?"
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I know I'm dating myself here... but we used to trade live prince shows on cassette tapes across the world before the internet really took off, lol. I dug out my old tape case out the attic and I must have 40-50 shows / rehearsals / outtake compilations on cassette.. I just bought a cassette player with a USB output to start trying to see what's on all of these...

It was kind of like Reddit, but people would trade lists of the shows they had and then make deals.. I'll send you this show, you send me that one, and when I was starting out, the price was three blank cassettes per show if you didn't have anything someone wanted.

Those initial tape trading sessions are what introduced me to the greatness of Prince. I wasn't yet 21 so hadn't been to a bar yet, and hadn't been able to afford the ticket price to see an actual live concert unless my parents took me, so I had experienced Prince live through these cassette tape recordings. I thought only jazz musicians improvised on the fly, as the other live shows I had seen were pretty true to the album versions in concert (Michael, Kool & The Gang, En Vogue, MC Hammer at the time)..

After you hear 2-3 Prince shows on tape and realize that each show is like hearing songs for the first time since they inevitably different each show, it just made me want more and more shows.

Then the first "rehearsal recording" I had which was Prince teaching the band a song in 30 minutes by playing and/or singing each person's part and explaining how it all went together was probably the defining moment that showed me how genius he actually is / was.

Of all the tapes I have, that is the one I need to find and listen to...

  

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I lurked on AMP though (alt.music.prince, usenet). *That* was my entry into the crazy world of Prince fandom, as well as my access to unreleased shit pre-Napster. I was young - late middle school - and swapping music online was still pretty new, so in a strange way I can say that Prince indirectly taught how to use the internet...


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48. "*raises hand*"
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>
>I know I'm dating myself here... but we used to trade live
>prince shows on cassette tapes across the world before the
>internet really took off, lol. I dug out my old tape case out
>the attic and I must have 40-50 shows / rehearsals / outtake
>compilations on cassette.. I just bought a cassette player
>with a USB output to start trying to see what's on all of
>these...

Tapes are in storage now.

>After you hear 2-3 Prince shows on tape and realize that each
>show is like hearing songs for the first time since they
>inevitably different each show, it just made me want more and
>more shows.
>
>Then the first "rehearsal recording" I had which was Prince
>teaching the band a song in 30 minutes by playing and/or
>singing each person's part and explaining how it all went
>together was probably the defining moment that showed me how
>genius he actually is / was.

Don't forget the after party shows which were always something completely different.


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26. "electric chair"
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Lots of stuff getting on youtube over the last day or two --- just watched this three times in a row - Electric Chair on SNL --- super crunchy, rocked-out arrangement, good stuff... anyone know what else he performed that year? Never saw this episode.

https://youtu.be/OY_xsUpABiQ


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28. "he only did that one song."
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it wasn't a regular episode - it was an anniversary special. i think the 15th.

http://www.princevault.com/index.php?title=24_September_1989

note: Patrice Rushen was on keys and backing vox. except for Patrice, this was basically the NPG's debut performance. Rosie Gaines was hired to play keys and sing back-up by the time this band went on the road w/Prince for 1990's Nude Tour.

  

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34. "thanks"
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>note: Patrice Rushen was on keys and backing vox. except for
>Patrice, this was basically the NPG's debut performance.
>Rosie Gaines was hired to play keys and sing back-up by the
>time this band went on the road w/Prince for 1990's Nude
>Tour.

That makes sense. Dope performance.

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27. "RE: A Prince Music Talk: Around The Purple Campfire"
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Two weeks ago I had just downloaded the soundcheck from the last show of the Purple Rain tour in the Orange Bowl.

Hearing Prince and the Revolution focused and flexing their musical chomps is pure gold and shouldn't be missed.

  

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29. "i made a list."
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of my 100 favorite Prince songs. in order.

b/c, fuck it. why not?

100. Data Bank
99. Strange Relationship
98. Shockadelica
97. It
96. Dead On It
95. All the Critics Love U In NY
94. New Position
93. Family Name
92. The Future
91. In This Bed I Scream
90. We Can Funk (1990 released version)
89. Pheromone
88. Shy
87. Insatiable
86. What's My Name
85. Shhh
84. Solo
83. Old Friends 4 Sale (1985 unreleased version w/strings)
82. Visions
81. Bob George
80. And God Created Woman
79. Hello (Fresh Dance Mix)
78. It's Gonna Be a Beautiful Night
77. Life Can Be So Nice
76. Wonderful Ass
75. Sexual Suicide (1986 'original' version)
74. Condition of the Heart
73. God (Love Theme from Purple Rain)
72. Batdance
71. Electric Chair
70. Come (released version)
69. How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore
68. DMSR
67. Starfish and Coffee
66. Annie Christian
65. Partyup
64. Head
63. Pop Life
62. Witness 4 the Prosecution (1986 w/the Revolution)
61. When U Were Mine
60. Let's Work (Dance Remix)
59. Private Joy
58. Thieves in the Temple (Extended Mix)
57. Future Baby Mama
56. Black Sweat
55. Baby I'm a Star
54. Anotherloverholenyohead (Extended Version)
53. I Would Die 4 U
52. Wouldn't U Love 2 Love Me
51. Sexy MF
50. Soft and Wet
49. Purple Rain
48. Empty Room (1985 version w/the Revolution)
47. Sexy Dancer (Extended Version)
46. Little Red Corvette (Dance Mix)
45. Irresistible Bitch
44. Rebirth of the Flesh
43. Days of Wild (Live Version as released on Crystal Ball)
42. 1999
41. Dirty Mind
40. Lady Cab Driver
39. Extra Lovable (1983 unreleased version)
38. Reflection
37. Hot Thing
36. Last Heart
35. I Wanna Be Your Lover
34. Pussy Control
33. Raspberry Beret
32. We Can Funk (1986 w/the Revolution)
31. Damn U
30. Purple Music
29. Pink Cashmere
28. Kiss
27. The Most Beautiful Girl in the World
26. The Question of U
25. Let's Go Crazy (Special Dance Mix)
24. The Dance Electric (1983 version w/the Revolution)
23. All My Dreams
22. She's Always In My Hair
21. Erotic City
20. Controversy
19. I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man
18. Space
17. Housequake
16. Uptown
15. Girls & Boys
14. Sign o' the Times
13. Alphabet Street
12. When Doves Cry
11. The Ballad of Dorothy Parker
10. Computer Blue (Unreleased 11:36 version w/the Revolution)
9. Something In the Water (Does Not Compute)
8. Moonbeam Levels
7. Mountains (Extended Version)
6. 17 Days
5. The Beautiful Ones
4. If I Was Your Girlfriend
3. Adore
2. Joy In Repetition
1. Power Fantastic
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38. "All My Dreams at #23???"
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... you gotta explain that one... lol.

  

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39. "i like several other songs more than that one."
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considering i've heard hundreds of Prince songs, coming in ranked at #23 is pretty tremendous.


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42. "this is why Prince is great"
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100 songs and you could easily feel like you left something out

these are all great songs

  

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44. "RE: this is why Prince is great"
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>100 songs and you could easily feel like you left something
>out
>
>these are all great songs

Yes and several different fans can have very different lists and they would all be legit.

dude

  

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47. "nice list"
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kudos for putting power fantastic at number one.

shame more people dont know that one.

  

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55. "I really love your top 3, reviewing this."
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"Power Fantastic" is just a ...powerful song.

and "Joy In Repetition" is the best part of Graffiti Bridge to me.

Which reminds me. That 3CD Hits/B-Sides collection is a great introduction to Prince for newbies. The fact that altogether, that's almost 60 songs in itself. And though there are single edits of the BIG hits, I think that's enough for the average person.


Props to having "Dead On It" on that list. I feel like I'm one of the only people who actually like that song from Prince. I think it's funny, the way he mocks rap music on it. That's the attitude I always enjoyed.

  

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57. "those 3 all produced the same reaction the first time i heard them"
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i just had to hear them over and over and over.
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75. "A U T O Matic didnt make the cut? "
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84. "RE: A U T O Matic didnt make the cut? "
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Automatic and Forever in My Life were the first two songs I noticed missing.

But as folks already said, it's a testament to P's output that his top 100 song list could have some many different and legitimate combinations.

  

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32. "does anyone have the ORIGINAL version of purple rain?"
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its called dont wanna stop this feeling or something like that

it was on some PR rehearsal bootleg IIRC and is about 18 mins long i think

i cant find my copy anymore and have been really curious to hear it again

  

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35. "I only have it on vhs and dvd."
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I have that whole First Avenue show on vhs and dvd.
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37. "no the version im talking about has diff lyrics IIRC"
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its like the first version of purple rain

im gonna have to google it to see if theres anything on the net

  

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40. "ok."
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the one i have has different lyrics - extra verses, i mean. it is the 'original' version of Purple Rain AFAIK. all sources i've read say the album version was edited from this version. (note: the album versions of 'Baby I'm A Star' and 'I Would Die 4 U' are also sourced from this show to which i refer. 'Electric Intercourse' is also included.)

i may not have heard the one you're referring to.

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43. "Gotta Shake This Feelin"
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>its like the first version of purple rain
>
>im gonna have to google it to see if theres anything on the
>net

  

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45. "RE: Gotta Shake This Feelin"
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yeah, thats on one of my favorite boots ever...one of the first boots i ever got my hands on, (the boot i had it on was called 'Neon Rendevous'....rehearsal boots kick ass....i'm gonna have to go dig it out tomorrow....

  

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46. "if either of you could upload it that would be amazing"
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and thanks for reminding me what the title is

  

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49. "per the org, you're talking about an adlibbed rehearsal thing from 1984."
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it's not the original Purple Rain.

http://prince.org/msg/7/230655

also, the Neon Rendezvous bootleg is indeed a recording of a 1984 rehearsal:

https://www.discogs.com/Prince-Neon-Rendezvous/release/3663849

this is the original Purple Rain AFAIK. it was recorded in 1983:

https://youtu.be/s-O-LsD7czo?t=2885

fuck you.

  

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50. "yes & I wonder why he changed it up to gotta shake etc for rehearsal etc"
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maybe because its was just that..a rehearsal where he just wanted them to get the music down in practice and the words etc were just him being spontaneoous/practicing

>it's not the original Purple Rain.
>
>http://prince.org/msg/7/230655
>
>also, the Neon Rendezvous bootleg is indeed a recording of a
>1984 rehearsal:
>
>https://www.discogs.com/Prince-Neon-Rendezvous/release/3663849
>
>this is the original Purple Rain AFAIK. it was recorded in
>1983:
>
>https://youtu.be/s-O-LsD7czo?t=2885

  

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51. "he played around a lot during rehearsals."
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one of my favorite rehearsal recordings has him changing the lyrics to 'Erotic City' - it becomes a song about his lust for 'White Girls'. it's hilarious.

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52. "I think I got/heard that one"
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it turns out to be Ice Cream Castles unless it something different because there is def a rehearsal where its white girls chant and talking about them but u can tell its ice cream castles rehearsal

Im trippin on them doin that lol

you can hear the white girls line in th eoffical ICC song too ha

>one of my favorite rehearsal recordings has him changing the
>lyrics to 'Erotic City' - it becomes a song about his lust for
>'White Girls'. it's hilarious.
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53. "i can't tell what song they're playing"
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it probably is ICC but he starts playing around w/'Erotic City' at some point too...

all of my purple life/i been lookin for some drawers/that would wanna be my wife/that was my intention y'all/WHITE GIRLS!

more info: http://mikea7.typepad.com/now_its_on/2011/10/bootleg-review-prince-and-the-revolution-white-girls-jam-1.html

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41. "Figure I'll post this here: Jimmy Fallon and ?uest talks Prince memories"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9iVXxFt1Wg

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www.albumism.com

Checkin' Our Style, Return To Zero:

https://www.mixcloud.com/returntozero/

  

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54. "Money Don't Matter 2 Night--probably my fav Prince vocals"
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I had this on repeat the other day.

Love how the background vox fly in and out in unexpected places. Even now it catches me my surprise every now and then: "flies away flies away" "is it worth it?" "No whoa whoa"

And the distortion on the lead vocal on the last verse. So warm.

The lead is kinda monotone throughout the song, and that contrast beautifully with the urgent backing vocals coming in. It's very effective.

Yeah we have the Prince choir ("honest man"), all out weird/pretty ("God"), playful/romantic falsetto ("adore" "do me" "pink cashmere"), and straight-up pretty ("power fantastic").

But as an overall performance, for me, everything just comes together perfectly on "money".

Happy 50th D’Angelo: https://chrisp.bandcamp.com/track/d-50

  

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56. "That song is great. One of my top Prince songs."
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>I had this on repeat the other day.
>
>Love how the background vox fly in and out in unexpected
>places. Even now it catches me my surprise every now and then:
>"flies away flies away" "is it worth it?" "No whoa whoa"
>
>And the distortion on the lead vocal on the last verse. So
>warm.
>
>The lead is kinda monotone throughout the song, and that
>contrast beautifully with the urgent backing vocals coming in.
>It's very effective.
>
>Yeah we have the Prince choir ("honest man"), all out
>weird/pretty ("God"), playful/romantic falsetto ("adore" "do
>me" "pink cashmere"), and straight-up pretty ("power
>fantastic").
>
>But as an overall performance, for me, everything just comes
>together perfectly on "money".

I was listening to Diamonds and Pearls a couple years ago after years of not doing so. That song came on and I was like "DAMN!!"

  

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58. "A good time to revisit scorpion's awesome archived albums posts"
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The Prince Albums posts

Part 1: http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=17&topic_id=82975&mesg_id=82975&listing_type=search

Part 2: http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=17&topic_id=87484&mesg_id=87484&listing_type=search

Part 3: http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=17&topic_id=87998&mesg_id=87998&listing_type=search

Part 4: http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=17&topic_id=88339&mesg_id=88339&listing_type=search

  

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59. "I might have been drinking NyQuil when writing some of those reviews."
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LOL. I feel much higher about "D.M.S.R." after hearing the live takes of that.

and "Make Up" is now one of my favorite Prince-related anythings. God DAMN that Linn Drum.

  

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60. "inside his 2004 hall of fame performance (must-read)"
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/28/arts/music/prince-guitar-rock-hall-of-fame.html

Petty et al talking about the original plans for the performance and how it all unfolded. Classic combination of funny-Prince, mysterious-Prince, legendary-Prince. My favorite part comes from Steve Ferrone:

STEVE FERRONE (drummer for Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, who played at the 2004 ceremony) I had no idea that Prince was going to be there. Steve Winwood said, “Hey, Prince is over there.” And I said, “I guess he’s playing with us?”

So I said to Winwood, “I’m going to go over and say hello to him.” I wandered across the stage and I went up to him and I said, “Hi, Prince, it’s nice to meet you — Steve Ferrone.” And he said, “Oh, I know who you are!” Maybe because I’d played on Chaka Khan’s “I Feel for You,” which is a song that he wrote. I went back over and I sat down behind the drum kit, and Winwood was like: “What’s he like? What’d he say?”

Then I was sitting there, and I heard somebody playing a guitar riff from a song that I wrote with Average White Band. And I looked over and Prince was looking right at me and playing that song. And I thought, “Yeah, you actually do know who I am!”
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61. "Prince Hoped to 'Redefine Minneapolis Sound' Before Death - RS swipe"
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http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/prince-hoped-to-redefine-minneapolis-sound-before-death-20160429?page=2


Prince Hoped to 'Redefine Minneapolis Sound' Before Death
Arranger Michael Nelson reveals one of Prince's last great creative experiments

By Kory Grow April 29, 2016


About a year before his death, Prince believed he had discovered a new sound. When he recorded the single "Baltimore" – a response to the mysterious and controversial death of Freddie Gray while in police custody – he had a unique idea for its music. He had recorded a guitar solo that ran throughout the four-and-a-half–minute song but thought it could be approached differently. The musician sent it to orchestral arranger Michael Nelson, who plays trombone in the Hornheads and worked closely with Prince off and on in long stretches for the past 25 years. Most recently, Nelson did many of the arrangements on Prince's final album, HitnRun Phase Two.

"On 'Baltimore,' we basically orchestrated his guitar solo with strings and woodwinds and brass," the arranger tells Rolling Stone. Nelson (no relation to Prince Rogers Nelson) had earned the trust of the artist over the years and recorded the arrangement remotely. "When we finished that track and sent it to him, he sent me back a note with a link to the finished recording saying, 'As you can hear, we're onto something special.' He said, 'We're going to redefine the Minneapolis sound, and I'm going to need your pen to do it. So block off some time in the summer.'"

When Prince began working on the song in his own studio, he played around with the orchestration. He removed his guitar solo from the first part of the song, brought it in in the end and pulled back the horn arrangement. "At 2:28, you actually hear the guitar play with the strings into that string section which originally continued as the guitar solo," he says.

Prince also moved Nelson's work around in the song. "There's this string line at the very beginning of that song that's really interesting and it's not at all where we put it," he says with a laugh. "That's the type of thing he would do. It's like he shifted it by two-and-a-half beats, just something that made it completely different than what was intended. You'd never write it that way as an arranger, but you just go, 'Oh, my God.' It's really cool. He would make that adjustment and make it totally Prince. I tip my cap to the genius and I'm glad I was a part of it."

A fan of the process, Prince began sending Nelson songs that he wanted what the arranger calls "big orchestrations" on. Nelson estimates he worked on four or five songs with symphonic guitar solos for the artist, though some might have been intended for other artists. One was intended for a new 3rdEyeGirl record (its working title was "New 3rdEyeGirl String Session"), and guitarist Donna Grantis came to the studio where Nelson was recording. "It had a couple of different guitar solos, so we orchestrated around them," he says.

"The thing about his guitar solos is, as everything he did, it had a uniquely Prince take on it," he says. "They're quirky and they're melodic and they're interesting and they're just ripe for orchestrating. They're just so interesting."

Nelson also recalls getting a pop song that featured another unidentified female singer. "It had this buildup to a great guitar solo," he recalls. "When he sent it, he wrote, 'There's a long build that I want tension for and then when the guitar solo happens, you know what happens next.'" Nelson laughs. "I don't know if it will ever come out but it's one of the most incredible things I ever worked on."

That song was titled "Pangaea," and Nelson recalls it was particularly challenging. "It was one of those where you got done with it, and go, 'Boy, I think he's going to really like this,'" he says. "And all I got back was a note in all capitals, '"PANGAEA" IS MAGNIFICENT.' That was it. I was like, 'Yeah, I'll get at least one more song.'" Nelson laughs.

"Besides the loss I feel personally now, I feel like my creative world has been gutted," he says. "These songs were big productions and they take a lot of people. We were doing 10 strings multiplied four times. And I was doing the horns, I was doing woodwinds and I was bringing in French horns and in one e-mail, he said, 'I want harp and timpani and bells and everything. Have fun.' What artist says that? And what artist can pay for that? What artist can support that?"

Nelson says Prince was always seeking a new sound and new creative input. On another track, "Shades of Umber," which he says had a "rock opera vibe," he put together a double-sized horn section more befitting of a jazz ensemble with 10 horns. It's a sound that Nelson says struck Prince in a big way. "I remember him saying one time – and this supports the fact that he was thinking bigger stuff – 'Someday I want you to come in here with 30 or 40 of your friends and just see what you can do,'" Nelson says with a big laugh. "I said, 'OK, great.' I think that's what happened with this orchestration stuff. That's essentially what it became."

The last track they worked on together was this past January. "He just wanted kind of an Earth, Wind and Fire thing," Nelson says. "We did horns and strings and it turned out great. He sent a really nice note about how much airplay it was getting around the studio. I was like, 'This is gonna be such a wonderful process. What's gonna come of it is going to be really special.' And just like that it's gone. And I'm just stunned. I sit back going, 'That was it.' It was a moment in time. I have to appreciate what I had, but he just seemed unstoppable."

Now Nelson is just hopeful that the music makes it out to people. In the past five years, he estimates he worked on some 35 songs, though a fraction of the work came out. He says Brent Fischer, the son of Prince arranger Clare Fischer, estimates that for every one song Clare made with Prince, 25 are in the artist's vault.


Moreover, Nelson says that some of the things he worked on for Prince were for other artists that Prince was working with. "We did a couple tracks for Rita Ora," he says. "I think one was for Eryn Allen Kane, who sang on 'Baltimore.' We did a song for Ledisi. And of course 3rdEyeGirl."

With the artist's estate is still being worked out, the fate of the music in Prince's fabled vault remains in flux. "I wouldn't be overly surprised if some old will pops up somewhere," he says, pointing to Prince's legal battle with Warner Bros. in the Nineties.

"There's so much music," he says. "I just can't even imagine. … God, I hope some of this comes out."

  

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63. "I love the guitar solo on 'Eye Hate U'"
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64. "me too"
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I really like that track in general, including the alternate version. Most of the guitar work on and around TGE was really legit (no matter what one thinks of that period), but the solos on Shh and I Hate You were something else entirely --- Exhibit As in Prince's guitar skills.

The alternate version stands out to me for the emphasis on vocals, both lead and harmonies --- it lacks the guitar but replaces most of the courtroom scene with a completely different monologue, half-spoken and half-sung, that is both more bitter and more darkly funny than the original. Some of the vocals on the alternate actually remind me of the general vocal performance on tracks like "Adore" and "Crucial," those tracks that remind you how much of a fucking instrument his voice could be, swooping in and out of lines unpredictably but always on point.

I used to wish there was some sort of combined version out there --- but I like having the two to play side by side...

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65. "Rolling Stone 2014 previously unpublished cover story"
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http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/a-final-visit-with-prince-rolling-stones-lost-cover-story-20160502

A Final Visit With Prince: Rolling Stone's Lost Cover Story
Scenes from an intimate 2014 interview at Paisley Park

BY BRIAN HIATT May 2, 2016

Prince held forth on sex, religion, conspiracy and much more during an in-depth 2014 interview at Paisley Park.

It is, in theory, a mundane sight, nothing 2 get excited about: just a 55-year-old man in his suburban Minneapolis workplace, scrolling through a Windows Media Player library on a clunky Dell computer. An equally ordinary multi-line phone sits beside it, near a lit candle, bottled water and some expensive-looking lotion. A huge old Xerox machine looms over the desk; a window at the far end of the room looks out onto barren trees and an empty, snow-lined highway. It's early evening on Saturday, January 25th, 2014, in Chanhassen, Minnesota.

The office is on the second floor of the 65,000-square-foot Paisley Park compound. The little guy sitting at the keyboard owns it all, had it all built back in the Eighties. And Prince being Prince, it's fascinating to watch him do just about anything. The more ordinary the activity – clicking a mouse, say – the weirder it feels. Prince has a large Afro, and he's dressed in dark, diaphanous layers, with a vest over a flowing long-sleeved shirt, form-fitting grayish-black slacks, and sneakers with high Lucite heels that light up with every step. He's wearing obvious makeup – foundation, eyeliner, probably more. His thin, precision-trimmed mustache extends just past his lips in a semicircle.

On characteristically short notice, Prince invited me here to report what we intend to be his seventh Rolling Stone cover story. I spend seven hours at Paisley Park, and he sits for two lengthy, thoughtful, amiable interviews. I was told not to curse or to ask about the past; though I eventually violate both rules, he invites me to join him on the road later. In the end, however, he won't sit for a photo shoot, instead offering us pre-prepared, heavily retouched pictures. The whole thing falls through. I hold on to my reporting, assuming, all too correctly, that we will save the material for our next Prince cover.

That night, Prince doesn't look his age – doesn't look any particular age, really. He's very thin, but not fragile – a strict vegan who, by his own account, sometimes doesn't eat at all ("I have gone long periods with no food, and also water – people have to remind me to drink water because I always forget to do that"). He doesn't sleep enough, either, and he avoids sex: One of the most deliriously sensual performers who ever lived – the one who sang "Jack U Off" and "Gett Off" and "Do Me, Baby" – insists he's celibate. His reasons are both religious and "energy"-related ("The hunger turns into something else," he says), though he maintains close relationships with several young female singer-songwriters. He is, at this stage in his life, a kind of cheerful musical monk. "Iam music," he says. Playing it is his greatest and perhaps only pleasure. But he's been an ascetic even on that front as of late, recording less than ever, waiting four years between albums. It'll stand as the longest break of his career.

Prince famously liberated himself from his record deal with Warner Bros. in 1996, and it apparently took him years to realize that his freedom extended to not releasing music. "I write more than I record now, and I also play live a lot more than I record," he says. "I used to record something every day. I always tease that I have to go to studio rehab.

"I'm a very in-the-moment person," he continues. "I do what feels good in the moment. ... I'm not on a schedule, and I don't have any sort of contractual ties. I don't know in history if there's been any musicians that have been self-sufficient like that, not beholden. I have giant bills, large payrolls, so I do have to do tours. ... But there's no need to record anymore." He makes a direct connection between fasting, celibacy and his abstention from recording. "After four days, you don't want food anymore. ... It's like this thing that says, 'Feed me, feed me.' When it realizes it's not going to get fed, it goes away. ... It's the same with music. I had to see what it's like to stop making albums. And then you go, 'Oh, wait a minute, I don't feel the need to do that anymore.'"

Prince brings me up to the office to play tracks from Plectrum-Electrum, the album that would finally break his recording fast. He chose from 100 or so songs laid down in one of the downstairs studios with his recently formed backing band, 3rdEyeGirl – the hardest-rocking ensemble he ever assembled. "All recorded live, no punch-ins," he says. "You just do it till you get the take you like." (The album doesn't come out for another eight months, by which time it's accompanied by a more traditional Prince LP called Art Official Age.)

Prince and I meet for the first time a few minutes earlier, as he emerges from a rehearsal space with the young women of the band. Hannah Welton, the drummer, a bubbly 23-year-old who looks like Carrie Underwood and plays like John Bonham, introduces herself brightly: "Hi, I'm Hannah!" Prince laughs, not unkindly, and imitates her, chirping "Hi, I'm Prince" in a high voice, as he reaches out a firm, businesslike handshake. His actual speaking voice is deep, soft and calming, like a DJ on a smooth-jazz station.

As we walk along, he shows no sign of reported double-hip-replacement- surgery – no limp, no cane, no apparent discomfort. His brown eyes are alert, and his wit is quick – looking back, it's nearly impossible to square his affect with posthumous rumors of an opioid addiction. He claims not to feel the passage of time, and says mortality doesn't enter his thoughts: "I don't think about 'gone.'" To the contrary, he is immersed in the moment, invested in a creative future that he believes will be long and bright. The pause between albums seems to have been healthy for him, as is the youthful, enthusiastic, near-worshipful presence of the 3rdEyeGirl members. For the first time in years, he's been opening up Paisley Park to local fans for spontaneous events. There's talk of staging one of these shows on the night of my visit, though it evaporates with no notice.

On his way upstairs, Prince struts past a hallway decorated with a photographic timeline of his career – there's "Batdance" Prince, "Slave"-on-his-face Prince and even his 1985 Rolling Stone cover (he notes that he refused to do a photo shoot, so we ran a still from a video that, in his considered opinion, made his teeth look strange). "There's room for Purple Rain or the Super Bowl here," he notes of one empty space, murmuring something about eventually turning Paisley Park into a museum. It already seems a bit like one: a huge, dark, nearly empty space with only a skeleton crew on hand.

We stop at a mural where a painted image of Prince, arms spread, stands astride images of his influences and artists he, in turn, influenced. He tests me, making sure I can recognize Chaka Khan and Sly and the Family Stone, while giving me a pass on missing Tower of Power and Grand Funk Railroad.

Playing the album in his office, he charmingly takes pains to turn the player's visualizer function on, providing state-of-2002 fractal accompaniment to the music. On a stand in the corner is a century-old Portuguese guitar with a teardrop-shape body. A Canon telephoto lens with no camera attached sits atop a couple of coffee-table books: Vanity Fair's Hollywood; Palaces of Naples.
The walls of the office are painted in a blue-skies motif, with the words "Dream Style" on one of them. Hanging on another wall is a clock emblazoned with the cover of his 2007 album Planet Earth – the only timepiece of any kind I see anywhere in Paisley Park.
Between songs, Prince laments the state of a music industry he thinks is focused on anything but music. "You're trying to find the personality first, make sure you've got that locked in," he says. "And it's better if they got scandal on 'em or a reality show or sex tape. And they have it down to an art. They're getting street cred for Justin Bieber now!"

He puts on one of the album's poppier tracks, the sweet throwback "Stopthistrain," with vocals from 3rdEyeGirl drummer Welton and her husband, Josh. I suggest, gently, that the song might fare best on the charts if no one knows of its Prince connection. He nods. "That's kind of the blessing and a curse these days," he says, "that I'm competing with (my) older music. And I don't know anybody who has to do that. They always play Beyoncé's latest track. But I go on Oprah and they want me to play what they remember."

He ends by previewing a couple of songs from what will become Art Official Age, excusing himself from the room when he gets to the wailing ballad "Breakdown." The breakup-themed lyrics seem particularly personal: "I used to throw the party every New Year's Eve/First one intoxicated, last one to leave/Waking up in places that you would never believe/Give me back the time, you can keep the memories." Afterward, he confirms that the song comes from a "sensitive ... nude" place: "You could touch it and it would just hurt instantly."

Before Prince sits for an interview, there is another test. I sit and chat with the members of 3rdEyeGirl in a cavernous atrium, where the black carpet is decorated with Prince's old symbol and the words "NPG Music Club," and the motorcycle from Purple Rain is on display above. We gather on a purple couch that is noticeably frayed, and they explain their unlikely origins. The bassist, taciturn Denmark native Ida Nielsen, arrived first, joining Prince's bigger funk band, the latest incarnation of the New Power Generation, which he's still gigging with as well. Prince tells me how she beat out an old bandmate of his who re-auditioned: "She was eight times better than him, and she was new."

Prince specifically wanted a female band, seeking out members via YouTube – back in 2010, he had discovered Nielsen on MySpace. "We're in the feminine aspect now," he says. "That's where society is. You're gonna get a woman president soon. Men have gone as far as they can, right? ... I learn from women a lot quicker than I do from men. ... At a certain point, you're supposed to know what it means to be a man, but now what do you know about what it means to be a woman? Do you know how to listen? Most men don't know how to listen."

I ask 3rdEyeGirl's guitarist, Donna Grantis, who has a half-shaved head and Hendrixian chops, about her influences. "Prince," she says, flatly. Her husband, a pleasant rocker dude named Trevor Guy, came along with her and ended up working closely with Prince, serving some managerial functions. (Prince believes artists shouldn't have managers: "You should be a grown man, be able toman-age yourself.") Josh, Welton's husband, an R&B-singer-turned-producer, also became part of the Paisley family, working on some of Prince's final albums. They've all been living in a nearby hotel for a year and a half, spending at least six days a week in Paisley Park. They come off as members of a benign cult. "It's sort of like an alternate reality," says Grantis. "It's an alternate universe being here, because we're in this awesome bubble of, like, making music all day. I have no idea what the date is or what day it is."

As we talk, I glance over my shoulder and realize that Prince has at some point materialized behind me, silently eavesdropping. He nods and moves away again into the darkness. The band and I go into the industrial kitchen, where we're served dinner, and I am soon summoned into the control room of the complex's Studio A, where Prince sits at the mixing desk. "This room was built in '87, and the first record I did in here was Lovesexy," he says. "We never really got this room clickin' like any of my home studios or the hot-rodded boards I used in Los Angeles when I had a record deal. It's real cozy and private – I just kinda wished it sounded like what goes on in my head. And I've been tinkering with things forever. ... I suppose I will keep messing with it – or another generation will."

We talk of many things, and his ban on discussing the past turns out to be slightly flexible. He makes a point of noting that his reputation as the puppet master behind the Time and even Vanity 6 was exaggerated. "It was all collaborative," he says. "It's not just my vision. It's one thing to say, 'You know what would be cool?' and visualize it ... but then you've got to actually find the people. (The Time's) Morris Day is as good as any funk drummer who ever did it. And Vanity? Nobody could talk like her." He's most passionate and lucid when he talks about music: "'Rock Steady' by Aretha Franklin, 'Cold Sweat' by James (Brown), all the Stax records, Ike and Tina Turner – we took it for granted, thinking that music would always be like that. That was just normal to us."

There are frequent, sometimes tricky-to-follow digressions: He seems to have branched out from his study of the Bible, which began in earnest when he became a Jehovah's Witness under the tutelage of bassist Larry Graham. "It's just all expanded," he says. "Anything I believed then, I believe even more now – it's just expanded." While still deeply Christian, he's also spent time studying what appears to be an Afro-centric interpretation of history, along with the physics of sound, some Eastern ideas (chakras are "science," he says) and a selection of unabashed conspiracy theories. He has thoughts on the JFK assassination ("The car slows down – why doesn't it speed up?"); AIDS ("It's rising in some communities, and it's not rising in others – any primate could figure out why"); and the airplane trails known in some circles as chemtrails ("Think about where they appear, why they appear, how often and what particular times of the year").

At one point, the phone rings: It's the young British singer-songwriter Delilah. Prince's voice suddenly gets even deeper. "I know it's late there," he purrs into the handset. "I'm going to will you awake." On a possibly related note, Prince says he's unsure if he'll marry again. "That's another thing that's up to God," he says. "It's all magnetism anyway – something would pull me into its gravity, and I wouldn't be able to get out from it."
We take a break and head to Paisley Park's empty nightclub, where 3rdEyeGirl are waiting onstage. "I can take you out there and hit this guitar for you," Prince promised earlier, "and what you'll hear is sex. You will hear something where you'd run out of adjectives, like you do when you meet the finest woman." He wants to prove that 3rdEyeGirl can activate my chakras, so he seats me on a stool onstage, no more than three feet away from him. He picks up a custom Vox guitar – the brand some of James Brown's guitarists played. "You're gonna start vibrating in a second," he tells me, and kicks the band into the fiery Seventies fusion instrumental "Stratus," tearing through solos that arc endlessly upward. He warned of goose bumps, and delivers.

Afterward, the band does a photo shoot in Studio C – one shot is intended for the cover of a "Stopthistrain" single that never actually comes out. Prince disappears for a while before returning with a MacBook that has Delilah live on Skype – he shows her the shoot via webcam. It's past midnight when we begin talking again. He mentions a desire to mentor Chris Brown, says he invited him to Paisley Park. I note that some people think what Brown did to Rihanna was unforgivable. He's shocked. "Unforgivable?" he says. "Goodness. That's when we go check the master, Christ. ... Have you ever instantly forgiven somebody?" I shake my head. "It's the best feeling in the world, and it totally dismantles that person's whole stance."

He talks more about mentoring and helping peers, so I wonder aloud if he thinks he could've forestalled Michael Jackson's fate. "I don't want to talk about it," Prince says at first. "I'm too close to it." He goes on: "He is just one of many who have gone through that door – Amy Winehouse and folks. We're all connected, right, we're all brothers and sisters, and the minute we lock that in, we wouldn't let anybody in our family fall. That's why I called Chris Brown. All of us need to be able to reach out and just fix stuff. There's nothing that's unforgivable."

He seems to be hinting at past problems of his own, so I ask if he was ever self-destructive. His eyebrows shoot up. "Self-destructive? I mean ... do I look self-destructive?" This leads him to a disquisition on why he avoids talking about the past. "People say, 'Why did you change your name?' and this, that and the other. I'm here right now, doing what I'm doing right now, and all of the things I did led up to this. And there is no place else I'd rather be than right now. I want to be talking to you, and I want you to get it."

We talk about retirement. "I don't know what that is," he says. "There's always some way to serve. ... It feels like I'm teaching at a school, but also a student at one. I never felt like I had a job – does that make sense? So those words, 'job' and 'retire' ..."

He tries to explain why he can imagine playing into old age, with a dizzying detour into mysticism via the Wachowskis. "Life spans are getting longer," he says. "One of the reasons is because people are learning more about everything, so then the brain makes more connections. Eventually, we'll be in eternal brain mode because we'll be able to hold eternity in our minds. A lot of people can't do that. If you can't think all the way back eternally, you can't think all the way forward eternally. Everybody usually thinks about a beginning, a big bang. If you take that event out, then you can start to see what eternity is. Remember in The Matrix where they said the only thing that has an ending had a beginning, and vice versa?"

It's nearly 2 a.m., and Prince is done for the night. He walks me through the depths of Paisley Park, his shoes glowing in the dark, to retrieve my jacket and bag. As we walk, I hear doves cry – actual doves that live in a cage somewhere in the rafters. As I put on my coat, Prince invites me to join the band in London. The zipper catches badly on the way up. "Fuck," I say, and my host looks stricken.

"So much for not cursing," he says.

I apologize. Prince looks me in the eyes, and wraps me in a tight hug. I am, as promised, dismantled by his instant forgiveness. I can still feel that embrace as I walk outside, where moonlight shines on a thick layer of immaculate, freshly fallen snow.

  

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66. "We did a podcast on Prince"
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67. "santana covering a rainbow children song"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7TlFgj9jZ8

nice to see someone not doing purple rain

  

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68. "Prince in the Nineties: An Oral History - Rolling Stone"
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http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/prince-in-the-nineties-an-oral-history-20160505?page=11



Prince in the Nineties: An Oral History


Inside the decade when the late icon formed one of his greatest bands – and faced some of his toughest trials


BY DAVID BROWNE May 5, 2016


At the dawn of the Nineties, Prince appeared to be entering not merely a new decade but a period of rejuvenation. He had completed his third dramatic film (Graffiti Bridge), had hired new managers, was about to embark on a stripped-down hits tour of Asia and Europe that eschewed the ostentation of the Lovesexy shows, met the woman (Mayte Garcia) he would eventually marry, and was in the early stages of forming a post-Revolution band that would grow into one of his most versatile. "I feel good most of the time, and I like to express that by writing from joy," he told Rolling Stone in 1990. "I still do write from anger sometimes, like in 'Thieves in the Temple' (the initial single from Graffiti Bridge). But I don't like to. It's not a place to live."

As the decade wore on, those thoughts would prove to be sadly short-lived. Few artists of Prince's caliber would endure the creative and business highs and lows that Prince did, publicly, for most of the Nineties. He remained as creatively frenzied as ever, logging more and more time in his Paisley Park studio, and he was still among pop's most galvanizing live performers. He would still exhibit his standard control-freak wackiness: Before an album playback for Warner Bros. staff in a label conference room in the mid Nineties, one of Prince's security guards entered the room first, checking behind curtains and shooting everyone an intense, check-you-out stare before Prince was allowed to come in. Whether colleagues were baffled or amused, it was all part of the Prince experience.

But the promise of the Nineties would soon give way to music business feuds, management shuffles, personal tragedy (the loss of his and Mayte's child in 1996) and dramatic moves – like changing his name to an unpronounceable symbol and writing "slave" on his face – that would confound musicians, co-workers and business associates alike. For every strong album came a disappointing one to match. By the end of the decade, he would no longer have the same band, managers or label he did at the decade's start, and he would enter into a more scattershot period in both his music and career. Here, in the words of people who worked with him, is the story of Prince during the pivotal New Power Generation years, an era that would set his career on an entirely different course right up until his death.


Randy Phillips (co-manager, 1990-1): He had just left his previous managers. I don't know if he fired him. He just stopped talking to them, which was very Prince. His attorney came to me and my partner Arnold Stiefel and we said, "How can you hire us? We haven't met with Prince yet." We flew to Paisley Park and we ended up sitting in a conference room waiting for him for eight hours. Then we get summoned to his apartment on the top level. You walk into this room that's all white. It was like a Fellini movie. There's a heart-shaped bed and in bed, in gold lamé, was Kim Basinger, reading a magazine. Prince is in the back of the room, sitting at a Plexiglas desk in a heart-shaped Plexiglas chair.

We go in there and say, "Let's talk about the Nude Tour, the European stadium tour (summer 1990)." He looks at me and says, "You know what? You're a manager. Then go manage." And that was the end of the meeting. We got back in our car and went to the airport.

Michael Bland (NPG drummer 1990-1996): He had finished the Lovesexy tour and had resurfaced in town. I was playing in Dr. Mambo's Combo, and Prince invited the band to come out to Paisley after we finished a set. We all got a cab and went out. Prince says, "Hi, how you doing?" I said, "Great." He said, "How'd the set go tonight?" I said, "We did OK." We go down (to the studio) and we start just kind of groovin' and funkin', and just kind of having a musical conversation. And at some point he leans over on the microphone and he says, "You lookin' for a job?" He called me at my mom and dad's house and made me an offer to join his band. I had started college already in Minnesota. I remember saying something to the effect of, "Well, is it possible I could get in one more semester through the fall?" And he just started laughing and said, "I think you're going to be a little bit too busy for that."

Phillips: Graffiti Bridge wasn't well received. He thought it was as great as Purple Rain. But creatively it was awful. Arnold and I tried to take our name off the credits. In Prince's mind, everything was a hit. So he didn't understand that. That's when he started fighting with the label.

Tommy Barbarella (keyboardist 1990-1996): I cut my teeth with cover bands and ended up hooking up with the Steele family. Prince came down to see us a new club. He would come with Kim Basinger, and they would sit up there and watch. He had done an (unreleased) record on Margie Cox, a great local singer, called Flash, and they were going to open for him on the Nude Tour in 1990. During rehearsals, the keyboard player decided he didn't want to do it and I was the first call. I'm like, "Of course." One day Prince came to the rehearsals. He'd written all these songs and asked Sonny (Thompson, bassist) and Michael (Bland) and I to stay after and help him with a song. We helped him finish a song he'd written on piano, and he wanted to see what it would sound like if we did this or that. He ended up recording the song and it ended up going on the record like that, and that song was "Diamonds and Pearls." Five months later I got the call to join this band, and that started that new era, the New Power Generation.

Bland: I was surprised at how professional Paisley Park actually looked on the inside. I expected it to be this sort of crazy Disney World-like, bizarre, artistic expression from the depths of his brain. And really it was a functional, clean facility. He didn't have to go to Los Angeles to shoot videos, because there was a 25,000-square-foot soundstage there. There was nothing gaudy or bizarre, like you expect. Except for the doves.

Barbarella: There was a cage with two doves in it. That was upstairs right by the wardrobe department. It overlooked the atrium. It was magical. The wardrobe department would just make us clothes around the clock. You get called in there and you get shown a bunch of designs. "Which one do you like?" "Well, I like this one, I like that one." "OK, we'll have those run by Prince and have it approved." And they would make you a tailor-fitted outfit with matching shoes. It was wild. It was really an exciting time. People were saying he was really happy during that time.

Bland: My first recording session with Prince, we worked on this one song and he said, "Why don't you take a break?" I went looking for a bathroom and ended up upstairs. It was on a Saturday so there wasn't anybody there to advise me, and I was just walking aimlessly. I saw this stained glass door with a mailbox outside it, and I walked inside. It looked kind of like a hotel. It wasn't super personal. I went all the way around the corner and found the bathroom, and while I'm standing there at the commode … it hits me. This is his personal space. What am I doing? I zip up and flush and wash my hands and get out of there as quick as I can. Because I'm like, "I just got this job and I'm fired for sure."

Phillips: He had huge overhead. Paisley Park was $2.5 million a month. It didn't make sense to have all those studios and that soundstage. It was never profitable. He'd meet a girl and take her back to Paisley and record a double album with her overnight. It would be ready the next day. Arnold had a conversation with him and said, "Stop doing A&R with your dick." But money didn't matter to Prince. He always thought he could make more. Money wasn't a badge of success to him. The badge was liking something he did.

Bland: The rhythm section recorded together: me, Tommy, Sonny, Levi (Seacer Jr. guitar) and Kirk (Johnson, percussion). When we cut "Cream," that was the configuration, and Prince played piano sort of like Little Richard. He usually commandeered from the piano, and we had such a high level of proficiency as a recording group that we could cut four or five songs in a day. I would hesitate sometimes because I was afraid of making mistakes, but Prince would say, "Let's just step off the edge of a cliff and see what happens here. Only through the mistakes, you're going to find out where you're trying to go." If you did something really fantastic, sometimes you'd even get a little extra money in your check.

We slowly watched it come into shape: lyrically and the influence of modern black soul, sort of hip-hop. He was really trying to still be him and navigate through that whole early-Nineties phenomenon.

Phillips: He played me Diamonds and Pearls, and I thought it was one of his better post-Purple Rain records. But it didn't fit at the time. I knew it was going to be hard to break that record. He didn't take that well. He was the greatest live performer alive, right up there with Jagger. But as far as recording new material, he was in an odd creative space. It's almost as if he lost his mojo for songwriting. That was the end for us until we worked together again on Musicology in 2004. We weren't fired. He just stopped calling.

Michael B. Nelson (Hornheads trombonist, 1991-4): The impetus of him getting a horn section was they were rehearsing for the Diamonds and Pearls tour. There was a concept that Michael Bland would front an instrumental warm-up group. So when Prince said, "Put a bigger horn section together," Michael called us. They were very simple funk tunes. So I arranged them for five horns, and we rehearsed with the band a couple times and they'd sent tapes to him in Paris. The next thing you know, we come out and walk into the soundstage, and the whole Diamonds and Pearls four-level set is set up, and it's like, "Oh, my God." I grew up in a small town in central Wisconsin, and I play trombone. It would have been a dream of mine to play with Prince.

Barbarella: There was so much music going around. We never knew what we were doing. You never knew if it was a Prince song or for someone else. I remember recording half an album in one day, finishing it the next day, and later realizing it was for Carmen Electra. Diamonds and Pearls was like that. We didn't know what that was. And he probably didn't either at that time; it was just flow. That's what he wanted Paisley Park to be. He wanted this creative atmosphere where he would just actualize whatever he thought of. And he certainly did.

Nelson: We got called again, and we thought it was the same deal as the first two times where he's just rehearsing with the band, but the third time we walked in and there was a big rack of pedals, a bunch of guitars and some feather boas over the microphone. I went, "Uh-oh!" He came in, and we just shook each other's hand and said, "Hi." And then he walks up to his guitar and picks it up and he doesn't really turn to the band. He just puts his hand up and holds four fingers. The band immediately knew what to do and just kicked into one of these songs that didn't have a title. We're scrambling for our chart and we start playing along and he just pointed at everybody to solo.

That was November 1991, and we were on tour by April. Our first gig we played was the Tokyo Dome. We were still memorizing our music on the plane when we're flying there. Everybody's frantically trying to remember everything and going over it. He expected everything to just happen the moment he said it's going to happen.

Bland: He was from a tradition in this business where you don't come out with Crocs and a T-shirt. You don't present yourself in a slovenly manner. Anytime you saw Prince, it looked like he was coming to go onstage or was leaving stage.

There was a guy who worked at Paisley who wore unusually short cut-off shorts. It was just these hairy white legs. I was passing that guy in the hallway and Prince was talking to somebody on the phone downstairs, and he ended the conversation by saying, "Yeah, and tell that dude the next time he comes to work with those Daisy Dukes on, he's done."

Barbarella: Talk about not letting your guard down. Always dressed to the nines, always the makeup just perfect all the time. You never heard him play or hit a wrong note. You never heard him practicing a lyric or running over it to make sure he had it right. Back in the early Nineties when he was doing choreography with the dancers in the band, you never saw him practice those dance steps. These dancers would be working it out all day long, and then he would walk in: "All right, show it to me." And he would watch the routine and say, "All right, got it." And then he'd walk away. We would get up on the stage, and he would nail it with everybody just perfectly. And it's like, "Oh, my gosh." He just never missed.

Nelson: At one point he poked his head in the studio and said, "You need some dinner?" I went to one of the backrooms with a basketball court, and there was this table with all these kind of velvety, funky chairs with different shapes. I didn't know if I was walking into a family dinner and whether he was going to be there or not, because you couldn't see past the chairs; they were high. I finally got close to the table, and there was this meal set there just for me at the head of the table. He had his private chef and this fabulous vegan meal. There was no meat at Paisley.

Bland: He was really into the Pretenders at some point. He talked about how much he liked Chrissie Hynde and the songwriting. He played me some of the first Sly Stone records I ever heard. That was an education I couldn't have received anywhere else. We held meetings, and we would watch random videos people would send. Michael Jackson loved sending Prince old footage of Sly. Prince would just stop everything and bring everybody to his office. One time we watched the Jackson 5 Goin' Back to Indiana special.

Nelson: Then we recorded that Symbol album (1992), which was just loaded with horns. The first song we recorded with him was "Sexy MF."

Barbarella: Levi always joking around with some phrase he thought was funny. He'd start doing some simple little riff, stop and say the phrase. "Sexy MF" was like that. It was recorded in about 20 minutes, half an hour. I hated my organ solo on it. I wanted to make it better and fix it. But Prince was like, "No, it's fine, just leave it." He wanted that spontaneity with that band.
If you compare it to the Revolution, it was just a very different kind of band. Different kind of musicians, and this band could actualize absolutely anything he envisioned. If it was in his head, we could make it happen. I think he loved that for a while. I'm very proud of how tight we were. In "Sexy MF," everyone was sure there was a James Brown loop tucked in there. "Well, there's loops in there, right?" "Nope."

Les Garland (former head of programming at MTV, then at the Box video network): I was sitting in my office one day, and the assistant says Prince is on the phone: "Can you come up tomorrow?" So I fly from Florida to Minnesota. One of his guys picks me up at the airport and we go to Paisley Park. Prince was very animated and says, "Come with me." We went downstairs into the studio. He puts me in a chair and moves it another inch and makes sure it's positioned in the right way. He hits the button, and bam, this tune comes on, and it's pretty loud. I'm grooving to the song and it ends, and he's looking at me waiting (for me) to say something. You're never sure what you're supposed to say. I said, "Could you play it louder?" He fucking loved that. He looked at me and smiled and restarted it and cranked it. When it ended, his words were, "That one would melt a nail." The song was "My Name Is Prince."

Barbarella: I really like the Symbol album, because it was the most "band" record. He wanted a band sound. He would show us these songs and say, "Now go here, now go there." I remember when we recorded "Love 2 the 9's," and I was like, "This feels like classic R&B but really original and unique." And then of course when the record comes out there's that track "My Name Is Prince." That's all him and that's the first single, and we're all like, "Nooo!" There were a lot of other better songs on there, and we all felt like the single kind of killed it.

Bland (on rumors that Prince installed microphones in the bathrooms at Paisley Park): I've heard as much. And if that was true, Prince had to have an ego made of steel. Every day wasn't super pleasant, and we spoke freely amongst each other. A fellow musician who was in one of Prince's bands afterwards said he'd heard Prince had saved a recording of us talking about him and held onto it because he thought it was so funny. He said he and Prince were sitting there listening to us just go off.
Nelson: He didn't seem human. Sometimes he would just appear. You don't even know he's in the building, and the next thing he's standing right next to you. You think, "Where the hell did he come from?"

You could pretty much count on him being in that building 20 hours a day. There was just a small window, from 10 to 2, when he'd go back home and maybe take a nap. One day we just assumed this was one of those afternoons, so we took a bathroom break. We're walking through the atrium, and there's a row of bushes in pots. The bathroom's down the hallway and we're walking along and the trumpet player, just as a joke, turns and pretends to pee on the plant. In that split second, Prince walks around the corner and goes, "Dave, stay away from my plants." And just keeps going. We just looked at each other like, "How is that possible?" He would just appear at the craziest timing.

Barbarella: I remember playing in Rotterdam and just being amazed at how great the fans were everywhere in the Europe. They knew all of us, and they knew everything about us. There was this group of guys that would always be in the front row on those European tours, and they would have makeup on and their hair in these headbands to try to look like me.

Bland: We would get a chance to get to the hotel and shower. We'd take clothes with us from the wardrobe cases at the venue. We knew what we were going to wear later on (at a club after the official show). We did get to use soap and water, and then we'd wait for the call. And then we'd go back out.

Nelson: On the road, you just had to kind of be on call. He had a studio booked in every city we went. Just docked out 24 hours a day. Had an engineer on call, ready to go. A day off came very rarely. I remember when we were in Sydney, we found out he was going to the opera with Mayte. I had met some people and it was my birthday, and so we went to a restaurant that was across the harbor from the opera house, so I could literally watch through the window till the opera was over. We didn't have cell phones then. I said, "OK, hopefully I can have my whole dinner before I have to go back to the hotel."

Bland: Sometimes we would rehearse up different things at soundcheck. We would be walking out to the stage and he'd say something like, "'When You Were Mine' instead of 'Raspberry Beret'! Don't mess up!"

Phillips: He would always push you and test you. I was on the road with him on the Nude Tour, and there was a situation where I walking back to the dressing room in Lausanne, Switzerland. His wardrobe person came running out of the dressing room crying: "Prince said I should be working at Walmart!" I walked in and said, "Prince, you can't keep treating your people this way, or else the only person here will be me holding a flashlight on the stage." He jumped of the couch and we started wrestling, and security had to pull me off. Sometimes it was like that, and other times he was brilliant and charming. We earned our commission.

Nelson: When we came in, to hear about the guys in the Revolution, how intense it was: "No, you guys got it easy." And then the next group comes in, and the new guys got it easy, you know?

Barbarella: One of the things he would say before we went onstage was, "Recording tonight. No mistakes. Perfect show." I'm sure he recorded every night, but there were nights where it was literally perfect. Not one mistake. And it happened a lot.

These days a band will have several keyboard players or most of it will be in the tracks. It'll be running Pro Tools, and you just play along with that. Back then it was all live. I ended up doing way more than I ever thought I could do. I was nailing eight parts on a song, jumping all over the place, playing the keyboard, triggering this sample, and trying to hit some choreography. You figure out ways to do it. Once you do that, he'll ask for a little more. And then you get to a point where you're like, "Holy shit, I never thought I'd be able to do all this." But you were doing it.
Nelson: It was difficult at times. There's a trombone solo on the Symbol album. There's a medley called "Arrogance" and "The Flow." We're listening back to it and he goes, "See Harry Connick beat that."

On tour, that solo had to be played as is. It had a high B in it, which isn't a terribly high note, but it's a higher note on a brass instrument. Occasionally you're gonna miss a note. When we did the three nights at Radio City, I was playing the solo, and right before I went for that high B, somebody threw a towel right by me, or something. It broke my concentration, and I cracked this high note. The next day, he came by and said, "You're gonna play that solo right tonight?" We'd been out for months and I miss one note, and you're gonna bust my balls about it? But in my defiance, rather than just saying, "Yes, sir," I said, "I'll do my best." And he says, "Uh, you did your best last night." And he walks away.

That night, it gets to the solo, and this was when he was using the gun mic – the mic with a pistol grip. I'm playing my solo and coming up to that note, and right before that note he comes up and puts the gun mic to my head. I was like, "Oh, my God." And he kept doing it. And it was like a week of him doing this, and I'm freaking out. It wasn't showbiz at that point. It was, "Don't you ever do that again."

The rest of the tour I decided I'm going to close my eyes, I'm going to pretend he's not there. I never missed it again. It was really traumatic for me. I really saw it as being really nasty. He did like to push the band with fear. He just wanted it to be perfect all the time. And he wasn't always cheerful about how he wanted that. It took me a long time to come to terms with that.

Barbarella: We would hear that during the Purple Rain period, it was such a family atmosphere with the band and the crew. More forgiving. I think it changed as it went. On the Nude Tour, I heard that the guitar player, who just so funky and so great, would stand up to Prince and they would get in arguments regularly and almost come to blows. After that, there weren't people around him like that. I'm not so sure there were sounding boards. If you disagree with something, he'll humiliate you to save his own face really. One on one was a very different story. But when he had his boys around him, he could gang up on you. So much insecurity, I think.

Phillips: I was in those meetings with Warner Bros. when they tried to explain how things worked and how they needed time to get records played on the radio. He was polite. He never cursed. But he wanted out of that contract. That's probably the only contract he ever signed in his life. He thought contracts were slavery and that people should trust each other in business. He demanded that Warners give him back his masters, but they couldn't do that – they couldn't take an asset like that and give it back to the artist. But he resented that.

Garland: I called him Prince until he changed it (to a symbol, in 1993). Like a lot of people when he did that, I was shocked. My take was: Big mistake. We were on the phone one day and I said, "How are people going to find your albums in record stores?" There was a long pause and he goes, "Hmmm … They'll find them." I said, "OK, but what are people going to call you? What do you want me to call you?" He said, "You can call me anything you want." I asked him if he could just be "Roger Nelson." He said no. But I looked at the symbol as so futuristic. He was so far out in front of everything in the world. It wasn't practical, but it was brilliant.

Barbarella: It was very confusing for all of us. I remember him calling us up to his office, and we sat there and he was explaining the name change to the symbol. And the whole time he's talking I'm like, "OK, yeah. Makes sense. I get it." Then I walked out of there, and it was like, "Wait a minute – what the fuck was he talking about?" When we spoke to him, you pretty much just said, "Hey, man, how you doing?" Just like how you greet somebody whose name you can't remember. The hardest part was that he wasn't talking to the press at this time. He expected us to do that for him. So we had to try to explain that stuff. It was not very fun.

Nelson: Everybody asked us, "Well, what do you call him?" And the fact is, you never called him anything. He addressed you, you didn't address him. So nothing changed for us.

Bland: He had a prescience for doing the things that made him look crazy, but he knew exactly how crazy it made him look. I was foolish to presume it was just some kind of stunt. And one day we were in rehearsal, and I looked at him and I said, "Prince?" And he turned around and looked at me like he wanted to kill me. He said, "That's not my name anymore. When you call me that, it's like calling me a swear word." And I never called him Prince again, from that day.

Sheila E.: I just called him "honey" or "baby." I didn't have a problem with the symbol.

Phillips: He kind of went to war with the industry. I never quite understood why. Warner Bros. loved him. They jumped through hoops for him. He was one of their cherished artists.

Bland: That was a strange time for all of us. That was a lot of days of us coming to rehearse and him being furious after just talking to Warner Bros. on the phone. And instead of rehearsing, he spends two hours venting to us about what's going on. He was so distraught. It just sent him into a tailspin. Day to day, we didn't know what we were walking into coming into rehearsal.

Barbarella: You didn't question anything. He shows up in whatever, you don't think twice about anything he did. You came to expect absolutely anything. I remember thinking the "Slave" thing (when Prince wrote that word on his face to protest his Warners contract) was a one-off or just for one show or a TV show. I certainly didn't think he was going to keep wearing it 24/7 for as long as he did.

John Sykes (president of VH1 at the time): You could tell he was frustrated. In the Eighties, everything was working great. He had great management and a great label. He could focus on making records. In the Nineties he fired everyone and began representing himself. He was so tortured by living within the confines of the record business. He would come to my office at VH1 and play me the videos himself. He was figuring out how to get his music out.

Phillips: He was frustrated about going through a distributor and not having direct contact with his audience. Or having to sit for eight weeks while the label put together a marketing plan. His ideal situation was to have his own label and not deal with a middleman.

Barbarella: The music got a little more violent and angry at times, like in the "Days of Wild" video (from Crystal Ball). The band got lean, just the four of us, with a little more of a punk attitude. Chaos and Disorder was kind of the "fuck you" record to Warner Bros., when they told him he had to deliver.

Things got a little crazier. A little more loosey-goosey with scheduling or, like, touring or plans. He started shooting from the hip a lot more. When it first started, Paisley Park was still open to the public. There were bands recording there, like Fine Young Cannibals and Duran Duran. People stopped coming because Prince kept bumping people out. Some major artists would have studios booked, and he decided he wanted to record there instead that day, so he would kick them out. And it's like, "Well, you can't really run a business like that." Eventually nobody wanted to come record there anymore, because you couldn't count on stuff.

Bland: We really began to see things fraying and coming undone. He got unusually upset with us at a show. I want to say it was in Tokyo. The equipment takes however many weeks to ship by boat, so there always was a period of time between rehearsal and our first show on the other side where we really couldn't do much. We couldn't rehearse. Our equipment was gone. And some things went wrong, not catastrophic, but I think his nerves over everything that was going on, and just the timing, was bad. He went through a period of a couple of weeks where he didn't address us personally. He just kind of went quiet. He had never really done that with us.

It was mid-March in 1996 that we kind of got our official word (that he had fired most of NPG). When we were let go, a lot of people got let go. He had an in-house staff of 127 people at Paisley. That's a lot of people smoking, running their friends around. He put up with that as long as he could, and then he was just like, "Everybody out."

Barbarella: We didn't see it coming, really, but it wasn't totally unexpected. Everyone knows he's going to change his mind and could take a left turn at any moment.

Phillips: In the time I was managing him, he could be very engaging and charming, but I never found him to be really happy. You had to drag conversation out of him. He didn't drink. He didn't smoke. No drugs. His thing was going out at three in the morning and playing all night and morning in a club – and after playing a three-hour set. He was always the most comfortable onstage.

Bland (currently with Soul Asylum): As much as I felt at the time that I'd been done a disservice, he really did me a favor. Because I needed to know who I was in the world without all that. I needed to get out into the world and see what my work really meant.
Barbarella: During those years maybe it wasn't the greatest of his material, but it was maybe the best band. I got an education very few people get. He made me fearless. I walked into any gig after that and I had no problem. I knew my musical identity. Prince gave me that confidence: "You can do it."

On the '93 tour of Europe, we played Wembley, then we played a club, and then we had to get up the next morning with no sleep at all for the BBC. You had to be at the BBC at nine or 10 in the morning. A few years ago, someone got me an MP3 of the encore. It was just this ferocious funk that just kicked your ass for 20 minutes. I was just like, "Holy shit, this is amazing." It was the epitome of live funk. And then it dawned on me, "Wait, I was in that band." That was the top. It doesn't get better than that.

  

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Just sad beyond words.

  

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I stumbled into this while looking into some other Prince info while I was watching Graffiti Bridge this morning. I know...hush.

There's so many great one-liners in this article but it is well worth the looooong read.

It is becoming less crazy that he's gone and more crazy that he made it for as long as he did. It's no shock that he worked hard, but it had to be a helluva drain and perhaps I missed that...especially post-Revolution. Maybe mj's situations kept some of the light off of him with me. That and some folks seemingly super excited to say he was done at almost every turn in his career was a thing. And he kinda had reign to be 'weird' as long as it was in a way that folks thought 'made sense' for him. Even that is sadly restricting. But that's what folks do to the best ones. We won't get another one cuz we won't let it happen again. Theres too much visiibility for hate talk. It would be sweet if more folks get what I see now as the Adele treatment where either there's lots of love and support or folks just don't say much about her. But nope...haters gonna...

>http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/prince-in-the-nineties-an-oral-history-20160505?page=11
>
>
>
>Prince in the Nineties: An Oral History
>
>
>Inside the decade when the late icon formed one of his
>greatest bands – and faced some of his toughest trials
>
>
>BY DAVID BROWNE May 5, 2016
>
>
>At the dawn of the Nineties, Prince appeared to be entering
>not merely a new decade but a period of rejuvenation. He had
>completed his third dramatic film (Graffiti Bridge), had hired
>new managers, was about to embark on a stripped-down hits tour
>of Asia and Europe that eschewed the ostentation of the
>Lovesexy shows, met the woman (Mayte Garcia) he would
>eventually marry, and was in the early stages of forming a
>post-Revolution band that would grow into one of his most
>versatile. "I feel good most of the time, and I like to
>express that by writing from joy," he told Rolling Stone in
>1990. "I still do write from anger sometimes, like in 'Thieves
>in the Temple' (the initial single from Graffiti Bridge). But
>I don't like to. It's not a place to live."
>
>As the decade wore on, those thoughts would prove to be sadly
>short-lived. Few artists of Prince's caliber would endure the
>creative and business highs and lows that Prince did,
>publicly, for most of the Nineties. He remained as creatively
>frenzied as ever, logging more and more time in his Paisley
>Park studio, and he was still among pop's most galvanizing
>live performers. He would still exhibit his standard
>control-freak wackiness: Before an album playback for Warner
>Bros. staff in a label conference room in the mid Nineties,
>one of Prince's security guards entered the room first,
>checking behind curtains and shooting everyone an intense,
>check-you-out stare before Prince was allowed to come in.
>Whether colleagues were baffled or amused, it was all part of
>the Prince experience.
>
>But the promise of the Nineties would soon give way to music
>business feuds, management shuffles, personal tragedy (the
>loss of his and Mayte's child in 1996) and dramatic moves –
>like changing his name to an unpronounceable symbol and
>writing "slave" on his face – that would confound musicians,
>co-workers and business associates alike. For every strong
>album came a disappointing one to match. By the end of the
>decade, he would no longer have the same band, managers or
>label he did at the decade's start, and he would enter into a
>more scattershot period in both his music and career. Here, in
>the words of people who worked with him, is the story of
>Prince during the pivotal New Power Generation years, an era
>that would set his career on an entirely different course
>right up until his death.
>
>
>Randy Phillips (co-manager, 1990-1): He had just left his
>previous managers. I don't know if he fired him. He just
>stopped talking to them, which was very Prince. His attorney
>came to me and my partner Arnold Stiefel and we said, "How can
>you hire us? We haven't met with Prince yet." We flew to
>Paisley Park and we ended up sitting in a conference room
>waiting for him for eight hours. Then we get summoned to his
>apartment on the top level. You walk into this room that's all
>white. It was like a Fellini movie. There's a heart-shaped bed
>and in bed, in gold lamé, was Kim Basinger, reading a
>magazine. Prince is in the back of the room, sitting at a
>Plexiglas desk in a heart-shaped Plexiglas chair.
>
>We go in there and say, "Let's talk about the Nude Tour, the
>European stadium tour (summer 1990)." He looks at me and says,
>"You know what? You're a manager. Then go manage." And that
>was the end of the meeting. We got back in our car and went to
>the airport.
>
>Michael Bland (NPG drummer 1990-1996): He had finished the
>Lovesexy tour and had resurfaced in town. I was playing in Dr.
>Mambo's Combo, and Prince invited the band to come out to
>Paisley after we finished a set. We all got a cab and went
>out. Prince says, "Hi, how you doing?" I said, "Great." He
>said, "How'd the set go tonight?" I said, "We did OK." We go
>down (to the studio) and we start just kind of groovin' and
>funkin', and just kind of having a musical conversation. And
>at some point he leans over on the microphone and he says,
>"You lookin' for a job?" He called me at my mom and dad's
>house and made me an offer to join his band. I had started
>college already in Minnesota. I remember saying something to
>the effect of, "Well, is it possible I could get in one more
>semester through the fall?" And he just started laughing and
>said, "I think you're going to be a little bit too busy for
>that."
>
>Phillips: Graffiti Bridge wasn't well received. He thought it
>was as great as Purple Rain. But creatively it was awful.
>Arnold and I tried to take our name off the credits. In
>Prince's mind, everything was a hit. So he didn't understand
>that. That's when he started fighting with the label.
>
>Tommy Barbarella (keyboardist 1990-1996): I cut my teeth with
>cover bands and ended up hooking up with the Steele family.
>Prince came down to see us a new club. He would come with Kim
>Basinger, and they would sit up there and watch. He had done
>an (unreleased) record on Margie Cox, a great local singer,
>called Flash, and they were going to open for him on the Nude
>Tour in 1990. During rehearsals, the keyboard player decided
>he didn't want to do it and I was the first call. I'm like,
>"Of course." One day Prince came to the rehearsals. He'd
>written all these songs and asked Sonny (Thompson, bassist)
>and Michael (Bland) and I to stay after and help him with a
>song. We helped him finish a song he'd written on piano, and
>he wanted to see what it would sound like if we did this or
>that. He ended up recording the song and it ended up going on
>the record like that, and that song was "Diamonds and Pearls."
>Five months later I got the call to join this band, and that
>started that new era, the New Power Generation.
>
>Bland: I was surprised at how professional Paisley Park
>actually looked on the inside. I expected it to be this sort
>of crazy Disney World-like, bizarre, artistic expression from
>the depths of his brain. And really it was a functional, clean
>facility. He didn't have to go to Los Angeles to shoot videos,
>because there was a 25,000-square-foot soundstage there. There
>was nothing gaudy or bizarre, like you expect. Except for the
>doves.
>
>Barbarella: There was a cage with two doves in it. That was
>upstairs right by the wardrobe department. It overlooked the
>atrium. It was magical. The wardrobe department would just
>make us clothes around the clock. You get called in there and
>you get shown a bunch of designs. "Which one do you like?"
>"Well, I like this one, I like that one." "OK, we'll have
>those run by Prince and have it approved." And they would make
>you a tailor-fitted outfit with matching shoes. It was wild.
>It was really an exciting time. People were saying he was
>really happy during that time.
>
>Bland: My first recording session with Prince, we worked on
>this one song and he said, "Why don't you take a break?" I
>went looking for a bathroom and ended up upstairs. It was on a
>Saturday so there wasn't anybody there to advise me, and I was
>just walking aimlessly. I saw this stained glass door with a
>mailbox outside it, and I walked inside. It looked kind of
>like a hotel. It wasn't super personal. I went all the way
>around the corner and found the bathroom, and while I'm
>standing there at the commode … it hits me. This is his
>personal space. What am I doing? I zip up and flush and wash
>my hands and get out of there as quick as I can. Because I'm
>like, "I just got this job and I'm fired for sure."
>
>Phillips: He had huge overhead. Paisley Park was $2.5 million
>a month. It didn't make sense to have all those studios and
>that soundstage. It was never profitable. He'd meet a girl and
>take her back to Paisley and record a double album with her
>overnight. It would be ready the next day. Arnold had a
>conversation with him and said, "Stop doing A&R with your
>dick." But money didn't matter to Prince. He always thought he
>could make more. Money wasn't a badge of success to him. The
>badge was liking something he did.
>
>Bland: The rhythm section recorded together: me, Tommy, Sonny,
>Levi (Seacer Jr. guitar) and Kirk (Johnson, percussion). When
>we cut "Cream," that was the configuration, and Prince played
>piano sort of like Little Richard. He usually commandeered
>from the piano, and we had such a high level of proficiency as
>a recording group that we could cut four or five songs in a
>day. I would hesitate sometimes because I was afraid of making
>mistakes, but Prince would say, "Let's just step off the edge
>of a cliff and see what happens here. Only through the
>mistakes, you're going to find out where you're trying to go."
>If you did something really fantastic, sometimes you'd even
>get a little extra money in your check.
>
>We slowly watched it come into shape: lyrically and the
>influence of modern black soul, sort of hip-hop. He was really
>trying to still be him and navigate through that whole
>early-Nineties phenomenon.
>
>Phillips: He played me Diamonds and Pearls, and I thought it
>was one of his better post-Purple Rain records. But it didn't
>fit at the time. I knew it was going to be hard to break that
>record. He didn't take that well. He was the greatest live
>performer alive, right up there with Jagger. But as far as
>recording new material, he was in an odd creative space. It's
>almost as if he lost his mojo for songwriting. That was the
>end for us until we worked together again on Musicology in
>2004. We weren't fired. He just stopped calling.
>
>Michael B. Nelson (Hornheads trombonist, 1991-4): The impetus
>of him getting a horn section was they were rehearsing for the
>Diamonds and Pearls tour. There was a concept that Michael
>Bland would front an instrumental warm-up group. So when
>Prince said, "Put a bigger horn section together," Michael
>called us. They were very simple funk tunes. So I arranged
>them for five horns, and we rehearsed with the band a couple
>times and they'd sent tapes to him in Paris. The next thing
>you know, we come out and walk into the soundstage, and the
>whole Diamonds and Pearls four-level set is set up, and it's
>like, "Oh, my God." I grew up in a small town in central
>Wisconsin, and I play trombone. It would have been a dream of
>mine to play with Prince.
>
>Barbarella: There was so much music going around. We never
>knew what we were doing. You never knew if it was a Prince
>song or for someone else. I remember recording half an album
>in one day, finishing it the next day, and later realizing it
>was for Carmen Electra. Diamonds and Pearls was like that. We
>didn't know what that was. And he probably didn't either at
>that time; it was just flow. That's what he wanted Paisley
>Park to be. He wanted this creative atmosphere where he would
>just actualize whatever he thought of. And he certainly did.
>
>Nelson: We got called again, and we thought it was the same
>deal as the first two times where he's just rehearsing with
>the band, but the third time we walked in and there was a big
>rack of pedals, a bunch of guitars and some feather boas over
>the microphone. I went, "Uh-oh!" He came in, and we just shook
>each other's hand and said, "Hi." And then he walks up to his
>guitar and picks it up and he doesn't really turn to the band.
>He just puts his hand up and holds four fingers. The band
>immediately knew what to do and just kicked into one of these
>songs that didn't have a title. We're scrambling for our chart
>and we start playing along and he just pointed at everybody to
>solo.
>
>That was November 1991, and we were on tour by April. Our
>first gig we played was the Tokyo Dome. We were still
>memorizing our music on the plane when we're flying there.
>Everybody's frantically trying to remember everything and
>going over it. He expected everything to just happen the
>moment he said it's going to happen.
>
>Bland: He was from a tradition in this business where you
>don't come out with Crocs and a T-shirt. You don't present
>yourself in a slovenly manner. Anytime you saw Prince, it
>looked like he was coming to go onstage or was leaving stage.
>
>There was a guy who worked at Paisley who wore unusually short
>cut-off shorts. It was just these hairy white legs. I was
>passing that guy in the hallway and Prince was talking to
>somebody on the phone downstairs, and he ended the
>conversation by saying, "Yeah, and tell that dude the next
>time he comes to work with those Daisy Dukes on, he's done."
>
>Barbarella: Talk about not letting your guard down. Always
>dressed to the nines, always the makeup just perfect all the
>time. You never heard him play or hit a wrong note. You never
>heard him practicing a lyric or running over it to make sure
>he had it right. Back in the early Nineties when he was doing
>choreography with the dancers in the band, you never saw him
>practice those dance steps. These dancers would be working it
>out all day long, and then he would walk in: "All right, show
>it to me." And he would watch the routine and say, "All right,
>got it." And then he'd walk away. We would get up on the
>stage, and he would nail it with everybody just perfectly. And
>it's like, "Oh, my gosh." He just never missed.
>
>Nelson: At one point he poked his head in the studio and said,
>"You need some dinner?" I went to one of the backrooms with a
>basketball court, and there was this table with all these kind
>of velvety, funky chairs with different shapes. I didn't know
>if I was walking into a family dinner and whether he was going
>to be there or not, because you couldn't see past the chairs;
>they were high. I finally got close to the table, and there
>was this meal set there just for me at the head of the table.
>He had his private chef and this fabulous vegan meal. There
>was no meat at Paisley.
>
>Bland: He was really into the Pretenders at some point. He
>talked about how much he liked Chrissie Hynde and the
>songwriting. He played me some of the first Sly Stone records
>I ever heard. That was an education I couldn't have received
>anywhere else. We held meetings, and we would watch random
>videos people would send. Michael Jackson loved sending Prince
>old footage of Sly. Prince would just stop everything and
>bring everybody to his office. One time we watched the Jackson
>5 Goin' Back to Indiana special.
>
>Nelson: Then we recorded that Symbol album (1992), which was
>just loaded with horns. The first song we recorded with him
>was "Sexy MF."
>
>Barbarella: Levi always joking around with some phrase he
>thought was funny. He'd start doing some simple little riff,
>stop and say the phrase. "Sexy MF" was like that. It was
>recorded in about 20 minutes, half an hour. I hated my organ
>solo on it. I wanted to make it better and fix it. But Prince
>was like, "No, it's fine, just leave it." He wanted that
>spontaneity with that band.
>If you compare it to the Revolution, it was just a very
>different kind of band. Different kind of musicians, and this
>band could actualize absolutely anything he envisioned. If it
>was in his head, we could make it happen. I think he loved
>that for a while. I'm very proud of how tight we were. In
>"Sexy MF," everyone was sure there was a James Brown loop
>tucked in there. "Well, there's loops in there, right?"
>"Nope."
>
>Les Garland (former head of programming at MTV, then at the
>Box video network): I was sitting in my office one day, and
>the assistant says Prince is on the phone: "Can you come up
>tomorrow?" So I fly from Florida to Minnesota. One of his guys
>picks me up at the airport and we go to Paisley Park. Prince
>was very animated and says, "Come with me." We went downstairs
>into the studio. He puts me in a chair and moves it another
>inch and makes sure it's positioned in the right way. He hits
>the button, and bam, this tune comes on, and it's pretty loud.
>I'm grooving to the song and it ends, and he's looking at me
>waiting (for me) to say something. You're never sure what
>you're supposed to say. I said, "Could you play it louder?" He
>fucking loved that. He looked at me and smiled and restarted
>it and cranked it. When it ended, his words were, "That one
>would melt a nail." The song was "My Name Is Prince."
>
>Barbarella: I really like the Symbol album, because it was the
>most "band" record. He wanted a band sound. He would show us
>these songs and say, "Now go here, now go there." I remember
>when we recorded "Love 2 the 9's," and I was like, "This feels
>like classic R&B but really original and unique." And then of
>course when the record comes out there's that track "My Name
>Is Prince." That's all him and that's the first single, and
>we're all like, "Nooo!" There were a lot of other better songs
>on there, and we all felt like the single kind of killed it.
>
>Bland (on rumors that Prince installed microphones in the
>bathrooms at Paisley Park): I've heard as much. And if that
>was true, Prince had to have an ego made of steel. Every day
>wasn't super pleasant, and we spoke freely amongst each other.
>A fellow musician who was in one of Prince's bands afterwards
>said he'd heard Prince had saved a recording of us talking
>about him and held onto it because he thought it was so funny.
>He said he and Prince were sitting there listening to us just
>go off.
>Nelson: He didn't seem human. Sometimes he would just appear.
>You don't even know he's in the building, and the next thing
>he's standing right next to you. You think, "Where the hell
>did he come from?"
>
>You could pretty much count on him being in that building 20
>hours a day. There was just a small window, from 10 to 2, when
>he'd go back home and maybe take a nap. One day we just
>assumed this was one of those afternoons, so we took a
>bathroom break. We're walking through the atrium, and there's
>a row of bushes in pots. The bathroom's down the hallway and
>we're walking along and the trumpet player, just as a joke,
>turns and pretends to pee on the plant. In that split second,
>Prince walks around the corner and goes, "Dave, stay away from
>my plants." And just keeps going. We just looked at each other
>like, "How is that possible?" He would just appear at the
>craziest timing.
>
>Barbarella: I remember playing in Rotterdam and just being
>amazed at how great the fans were everywhere in the Europe.
>They knew all of us, and they knew everything about us. There
>was this group of guys that would always be in the front row
>on those European tours, and they would have makeup on and
>their hair in these headbands to try to look like me.
>
>Bland: We would get a chance to get to the hotel and shower.
>We'd take clothes with us from the wardrobe cases at the
>venue. We knew what we were going to wear later on (at a club
>after the official show). We did get to use soap and water,
>and then we'd wait for the call. And then we'd go back out.
>
>Nelson: On the road, you just had to kind of be on call. He
>had a studio booked in every city we went. Just docked out 24
>hours a day. Had an engineer on call, ready to go. A day off
>came very rarely. I remember when we were in Sydney, we found
>out he was going to the opera with Mayte. I had met some
>people and it was my birthday, and so we went to a restaurant
>that was across the harbor from the opera house, so I could
>literally watch through the window till the opera was over. We
>didn't have cell phones then. I said, "OK, hopefully I can
>have my whole dinner before I have to go back to the hotel."
>
>Bland: Sometimes we would rehearse up different things at
>soundcheck. We would be walking out to the stage and he'd say
>something like, "'When You Were Mine' instead of 'Raspberry
>Beret'! Don't mess up!"
>
>Phillips: He would always push you and test you. I was on the
>road with him on the Nude Tour, and there was a situation
>where I walking back to the dressing room in Lausanne,
>Switzerland. His wardrobe person came running out of the
>dressing room crying: "Prince said I should be working at
>Walmart!" I walked in and said, "Prince, you can't keep
>treating your people this way, or else the only person here
>will be me holding a flashlight on the stage." He jumped of
>the couch and we started wrestling, and security had to pull
>me off. Sometimes it was like that, and other times he was
>brilliant and charming. We earned our commission.
>
>Nelson: When we came in, to hear about the guys in the
>Revolution, how intense it was: "No, you guys got it easy."
>And then the next group comes in, and the new guys got it
>easy, you know?
>
>Barbarella: One of the things he would say before we went
>onstage was, "Recording tonight. No mistakes. Perfect show."
>I'm sure he recorded every night, but there were nights where
>it was literally perfect. Not one mistake. And it happened a
>lot.
>
>These days a band will have several keyboard players or most
>of it will be in the tracks. It'll be running Pro Tools, and
>you just play along with that. Back then it was all live. I
>ended up doing way more than I ever thought I could do. I was
>nailing eight parts on a song, jumping all over the place,
>playing the keyboard, triggering this sample, and trying to
>hit some choreography. You figure out ways to do it. Once you
>do that, he'll ask for a little more. And then you get to a
>point where you're like, "Holy shit, I never thought I'd be
>able to do all this." But you were doing it.
>Nelson: It was difficult at times. There's a trombone solo on
>the Symbol album. There's a medley called "Arrogance" and "The
>Flow." We're listening back to it and he goes, "See Harry
>Connick beat that."
>
>On tour, that solo had to be played as is. It had a high B in
>it, which isn't a terribly high note, but it's a higher note
>on a brass instrument. Occasionally you're gonna miss a note.
>When we did the three nights at Radio City, I was playing the
>solo, and right before I went for that high B, somebody threw
>a towel right by me, or something. It broke my concentration,
>and I cracked this high note. The next day, he came by and
>said, "You're gonna play that solo right tonight?" We'd been
>out for months and I miss one note, and you're gonna bust my
>balls about it? But in my defiance, rather than just saying,
>"Yes, sir," I said, "I'll do my best." And he says, "Uh, you
>did your best last night." And he walks away.
>
>That night, it gets to the solo, and this was when he was
>using the gun mic – the mic with a pistol grip. I'm playing
>my solo and coming up to that note, and right before that note
>he comes up and puts the gun mic to my head. I was like, "Oh,
>my God." And he kept doing it. And it was like a week of him
>doing this, and I'm freaking out. It wasn't showbiz at that
>point. It was, "Don't you ever do that again."
>
>The rest of the tour I decided I'm going to close my eyes, I'm
>going to pretend he's not there. I never missed it again. It
>was really traumatic for me. I really saw it as being really
>nasty. He did like to push the band with fear. He just wanted
>it to be perfect all the time. And he wasn't always cheerful
>about how he wanted that. It took me a long time to come to
>terms with that.
>
>Barbarella: We would hear that during the Purple Rain period,
>it was such a family atmosphere with the band and the crew.
>More forgiving. I think it changed as it went. On the Nude
>Tour, I heard that the guitar player, who just so funky and so
>great, would stand up to Prince and they would get in
>arguments regularly and almost come to blows. After that,
>there weren't people around him like that. I'm not so sure
>there were sounding boards. If you disagree with something,
>he'll humiliate you to save his own face really. One on one
>was a very different story. But when he had his boys around
>him, he could gang up on you. So much insecurity, I think.
>
>Phillips: I was in those meetings with Warner Bros. when they
>tried to explain how things worked and how they needed time to
>get records played on the radio. He was polite. He never
>cursed. But he wanted out of that contract. That's probably
>the only contract he ever signed in his life. He thought
>contracts were slavery and that people should trust each other
>in business. He demanded that Warners give him back his
>masters, but they couldn't do that – they couldn't take an
>asset like that and give it back to the artist. But he
>resented that.
>
>Garland: I called him Prince until he changed it (to a symbol,
>in 1993). Like a lot of people when he did that, I was
>shocked. My take was: Big mistake. We were on the phone one
>day and I said, "How are people going to find your albums in
>record stores?" There was a long pause and he goes, "Hmmm …
>They'll find them." I said, "OK, but what are people going to
>call you? What do you want me to call you?" He said, "You can
>call me anything you want." I asked him if he could just be
>"Roger Nelson." He said no. But I looked at the symbol as so
>futuristic. He was so far out in front of everything in the
>world. It wasn't practical, but it was brilliant.
>
>Barbarella: It was very confusing for all of us. I remember
>him calling us up to his office, and we sat there and he was
>explaining the name change to the symbol. And the whole time
>he's talking I'm like, "OK, yeah. Makes sense. I get it." Then
>I walked out of there, and it was like, "Wait a minute –
>what the fuck was he talking about?" When we spoke to him, you
>pretty much just said, "Hey, man, how you doing?" Just like
>how you greet somebody whose name you can't remember. The
>hardest part was that he wasn't talking to the press at this
>time. He expected us to do that for him. So we had to try to
>explain that stuff. It was not very fun.
>
>Nelson: Everybody asked us, "Well, what do you call him?" And
>the fact is, you never called him anything. He addressed you,
>you didn't address him. So nothing changed for us.
>
>Bland: He had a prescience for doing the things that made him
>look crazy, but he knew exactly how crazy it made him look. I
>was foolish to presume it was just some kind of stunt. And one
>day we were in rehearsal, and I looked at him and I said,
>"Prince?" And he turned around and looked at me like he wanted
>to kill me. He said, "That's not my name anymore. When you
>call me that, it's like calling me a swear word." And I never
>called him Prince again, from that day.
>
>Sheila E.: I just called him "honey" or "baby." I didn't have
>a problem with the symbol.
>
>Phillips: He kind of went to war with the industry. I never
>quite understood why. Warner Bros. loved him. They jumped
>through hoops for him. He was one of their cherished artists.
>
>Bland: That was a strange time for all of us. That was a lot
>of days of us coming to rehearse and him being furious after
>just talking to Warner Bros. on the phone. And instead of
>rehearsing, he spends two hours venting to us about what's
>going on. He was so distraught. It just sent him into a
>tailspin. Day to day, we didn't know what we were walking into
>coming into rehearsal.
>
>Barbarella: You didn't question anything. He shows up in
>whatever, you don't think twice about anything he did. You
>came to expect absolutely anything. I remember thinking the
>"Slave" thing (when Prince wrote that word on his face to
>protest his Warners contract) was a one-off or just for one
>show or a TV show. I certainly didn't think he was going to
>keep wearing it 24/7 for as long as he did.
>
>John Sykes (president of VH1 at the time): You could tell he
>was frustrated. In the Eighties, everything was working great.
>He had great management and a great label. He could focus on
>making records. In the Nineties he fired everyone and began
>representing himself. He was so tortured by living within the
>confines of the record business. He would come to my office at
>VH1 and play me the videos himself. He was figuring out how to
>get his music out.
>
>Phillips: He was frustrated about going through a distributor
>and not having direct contact with his audience. Or having to
>sit for eight weeks while the label put together a marketing
>plan. His ideal situation was to have his own label and not
>deal with a middleman.
>
>Barbarella: The music got a little more violent and angry at
>times, like in the "Days of Wild" video (from Crystal Ball).
>The band got lean, just the four of us, with a little more of
>a punk attitude. Chaos and Disorder was kind of the "fuck you"
>record to Warner Bros., when they told him he had to deliver.
>
>Things got a little crazier. A little more loosey-goosey with
>scheduling or, like, touring or plans. He started shooting
>from the hip a lot more. When it first started, Paisley Park
>was still open to the public. There were bands recording
>there, like Fine Young Cannibals and Duran Duran. People
>stopped coming because Prince kept bumping people out. Some
>major artists would have studios booked, and he decided he
>wanted to record there instead that day, so he would kick them
>out. And it's like, "Well, you can't really run a business
>like that." Eventually nobody wanted to come record there
>anymore, because you couldn't count on stuff.
>
>Bland: We really began to see things fraying and coming
>undone. He got unusually upset with us at a show. I want to
>say it was in Tokyo. The equipment takes however many weeks to
>ship by boat, so there always was a period of time between
>rehearsal and our first show on the other side where we really
>couldn't do much. We couldn't rehearse. Our equipment was
>gone. And some things went wrong, not catastrophic, but I
>think his nerves over everything that was going on, and just
>the timing, was bad. He went through a period of a couple of
>weeks where he didn't address us personally. He just kind of
>went quiet. He had never really done that with us.
>
>It was mid-March in 1996 that we kind of got our official word
>(that he had fired most of NPG). When we were let go, a lot of
>people got let go. He had an in-house staff of 127 people at
>Paisley. That's a lot of people smoking, running their friends
>around. He put up with that as long as he could, and then he
>was just like, "Everybody out."
>
>Barbarella: We didn't see it coming, really, but it wasn't
>totally unexpected. Everyone knows he's going to change his
>mind and could take a left turn at any moment.
>
>Phillips: In the time I was managing him, he could be very
>engaging and charming, but I never found him to be really
>happy. You had to drag conversation out of him. He didn't
>drink. He didn't smoke. No drugs. His thing was going out at
>three in the morning and playing all night and morning in a
>club – and after playing a three-hour set. He was always the
>most comfortable onstage.
>
>Bland (currently with Soul Asylum): As much as I felt at the
>time that I'd been done a disservice, he really did me a
>favor. Because I needed to know who I was in the world without
>all that. I needed to get out into the world and see what my
>work really meant.
>Barbarella: During those years maybe it wasn't the greatest of
>his material, but it was maybe the best band. I got an
>education very few people get. He made me fearless. I walked
>into any gig after that and I had no problem. I knew my
>musical identity. Prince gave me that confidence: "You can do
>it."
>
>On the '93 tour of Europe, we played Wembley, then we played a
>club, and then we had to get up the next morning with no sleep
>at all for the BBC. You had to be at the BBC at nine or 10 in
>the morning. A few years ago, someone got me an MP3 of the
>encore. It was just this ferocious funk that just kicked your
>ass for 20 minutes. I was just like, "Holy shit, this is
>amazing." It was the epitome of live funk. And then it dawned
>on me, "Wait, I was in that band." That was the top. It
>doesn't get better than that.
>

  

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Warren Coolidge
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69. "I've been listening to Partyup live from the 81 tour"
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not this version exactly....although this is a cold one too..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0Q4ZdtpAFo

man...

Prince was a cold piece man...

  

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71. "Suggestions on (and how to obtain too) live Prince albums?"
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I have 2 live Prince albums. One is from a show in Paris circa 81/82 (I just know it was prior to the 1999 album). Another is from a show he did in Brussels circa 1983/84. This one included plenty of songs from 1999.

Both albums are great, but I literally have no clue where I got them 10 plus years ago while still in college.

To my knowledge Prince really only released one live album. Is that worthy of its steep price? Other suggestions?

Supposedly there was rumors that Prince wanted to release a live recording from his Piano & Mic Tour. I'd love to hear that - especially the ATL show folks seem to be raving about. I'd love to hear a live album that includes a lot of his hits from SOTT, Parade, Lovesexy and of course his prior hits.

  

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73. "God Surely Shined Down On Paisley Park On 4/21/2016!!!..."
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"Somewhere Over The Rainbow, Skies Are Blue>>> http://brownsugar7341.bizhosting.com.bizhosting.com/cgi-bin/image/templates/prince-rainbow-800.jpg

A vibrant rainbow graced the skies above Prince's home Thursday ... hours after he died.

R.I.P.Prince !!!



I LUV U 2!!!

  

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74. "Prince Reflection: Spike Lee, Questlove, and more remember Prince | Pane..."
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Very good but lonnng!!! >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6dIxuQHb-g


I LUV U 2!!!

  

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76. "Two less talked about Prince ballads"
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The Arms Of Orion

It's Gonna Be Lonely....I love the end where he keeps breakin it down.

  

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78. "RE: Two less talked about Prince ballads"
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>
>The Arms Of Orion
>

>It's Gonna Be Lonely....I love the end where he keeps breakin
>it down.

That was my jam right there. I would wear this one out (and Sexy Dancer, which I thought was the ONLY dance song I'd ever want to be in any nekkid club for when I was a kid). My record player days late in high school and in my young adult years...good times and old jams before spotify/tidal/apple made it almost too easy to be jammin.

My Prince listening: That album was the one Prince album my parents had before I was firmly on the scene and eating away their free time and money as they had to 'grow up, move outta the apartments and into the burbs where it is super safe and nothing will go wrong with that!'. Sure, once the folks moved into tapes and CDs, my mama kept jamming new stuff so I had coverage on 'obvious' Prince stuff between that and MTV. I saw Purple Rain early on since my parents were slipping. I beamed through my mama's hands to catch all of Kotera looking silly good throughout the movie.

I did a solid Prince 'catch-up' purchasing and listening session right after college...that was 15-ish years ago when I stumbled into OKP while looking for info on Common. Starting at self-titled and going to Purple Rain was something I did pretty often. YES, I SLEPT ON PARADE. I wasn't ready for it at the time. I considered it jamming but now it is the album I can't stop going back to. I'm basically stuck on that and SOTT. Maybe I'm trying to avoid Graffiti Bridge Soundtrack (I just watched the movie again today).

SOTT was always on the scene since I'm obsessed with situations where a label makes a huge artist reconfigure an album. AND an artist's first thing after breaking off from collab partners. AND the whole Camille album thing had me all over it. The last few years (and of course recently) I started to roll through the stuff from Around the World in a Day through Symbol album with adult ears to appreciate the subtext. And I'd usually scoop every other 2000s Prince album after he stopped dropping those big collections that I was too broke to get in on during college in the late 90s.

Anyway...I still have that album and all of the ones that I didn't mishandle in my quest to be the one in charge of putting all records on at my house.

It is so funny to see dude on the back cover. My parents had no explanation for it when I gave them the business over it as a teenager.

  

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77. "My wife and I did a podcast on Prince"
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Check it out if you're inclined.



Google Play: http://tinyurl.com/JTTOU-18-GooglePlay

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Tunein: http://tinyurl.com/JTTOU-18-TuneIn

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In this episode, our resident Prince Snob Stephen and Tracey discuss Prince. His Music. His Legacy. What should happen to the music in the Vault? What artists should do the inevitable Prince tribute? What artist will be the next "Prince"?

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80. "I'm finally listening to the audio from the 4/14 show in Atlanta..."
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It's the greatest thing I've ever heard. Hyperbole yes but right now it is.

I kick myself sometimes for not going but I didnt wanna part with 400$. I never saw him. And this was my last chance. But this audio helps. RIP.

  

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85. "I can't bring myself to hear his last show yet. Can't do it."
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>It's the greatest thing I've ever heard. Hyperbole yes but
>right now it is.
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>I kick myself sometimes for not going but I didnt wanna part
>with 400$. I never saw him. And this was my last chance. But
>this audio helps. RIP.

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88. "now that I've broken the ice, it's a little easier"
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I'm still numb overall, but this show helps, and the mixes help. I listened to the Blue in Green Prince 100 mix and the show from Abstract Radio on 4/22.

  

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81. "Prince's Unheard Music: Inside the Paisley Park Vault - RS swipe"
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http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/princes-unheard-music-inside-the-paisley-park-vault-20160517


Prince's Unheard Music: Inside the Paisley Park Vault

Purple One's former employees discuss contents of legendary archive

By David Browne May 17, 2016


As former Paisley Park employee Scott LeGere saw for himself when he began working at the facility about a decade ago, nothing quite compared to the sight of Prince at work in his own studios, in his own building. "He'd be tracking drums in Studio A, horns in Studio B, and doing writing and preproduction with somebody else in Studio C," says LeGere. "He'd just hop."

When he was done making music for the day, Prince would sometimes release the results on record – or, just as likely, lose interest in what he'd done and relegate the tapes to floor-to-ceiling shelves inside his legendary vault. Tucked away in the basement of Paisley Park, the vault lived up to its name: Accessible by elevator, it was (and still is) a climate-controlled room hidden behind a steel door straight out a bank, complete with a time lock and large spinning handle. For an extra dash of mystique, only Prince had the combination, and many employees respected that decision. "At one point, I was holding tapes and he would beckon me to come in," says LeGere. "I said, 'Actually, sir, I'd rather not. That is your space and your work – I will simply hand these things to you.' He seemed to appreciate that. I think that's what quite a few other staff did."

According to past Paisley Park employees, thousands of hours of unheard live and studio material – jams, random songs and entire albums – still reside in that locked room, along with a similar amount of performance footage. (LeGere recalls stepping into the "pre-vault" – a small, foyer-like room that lead to the archive – and finding the floor covered with tape reels, which meant the main vault was full a decade ago.) How many of those tapes have been adequately logged and catalogued remains a mystery; some employees don't remember seeing much in the way of detailed lists. "Half the time I couldn't find a song because it was so hard to find," says engineer Ian Boxill, who worked with Prince during the second half of last decade. "I'd spend a half hour just going through tapes. Prince didn't seem to have a reaction to it. I'd be like, 'Wow, look at all this stuff,' especially when I saw a lot of Batman tapes. For him, it was like going through old filing cabinets."

Now and then, Prince burrowed into that archive, releasing entire albums from it (The Black Album) or gathering tracks for later collections like Crystal Ball, Lotusflower and The Vault: Old Friends 4 Sale. What else in there is worth releasing? We asked Paisley veterans for their thoughts on the treasures that may lie among the mountains of tapes in the vault.

The Second Coming (1982): Live album from the fiery Controversy tour, taped during a homecoming show in March 1982 and capturing Prince and his band – including guitarist Dez Dickerson – romping through salacious early classics like "Jack U Off" and "Dirty Mind."

"In a Large Room With No Light" (1986): Cut with Wendy and Lisa, Sheila E., guitarist Levi Seacer Jr. and other musicians, this ebullient, zigzagging track was to be included on the unrealized Dream Factory album with the Revolution. "It was a period when he was doing a lot of jazz-informed stuff – not jazz but you could tell he had been listening to it," recalls former tour manager Alan Leeds. "It was a really interesting song." Prince re-recorded the song himself in 2009, but the original remains in the vault.

The Flesh: Junk Music (1985-6): For several days, Prince jammed on freeform instrumentals with Sheila E., Wendy and Lisa, sax man Eric Leeds, and other players. "Prince was all over the studio, playing guitar, bass and drums," recalls Leeds. "He would just call out a key and start playing, and sometime he would do impromptu scats. It was amazing, fun stuff." Although Prince considered releasing the album incognito as the Flesh, with no band members listed, he changed his mind and shelved it in favor of other projects.


Miles Davis, "Can I Play With You" (1986): When Miles Davis was working on his 1986 album, Tutu, Prince sent him a tape of this unabashed party song, to which Davis added a trumpet part. It never made the album and Prince declined to give permission to include it on a later Davis compilation. "It was a logical extension of where Miles was in that Bitches Brew / Tribute to Jack Johnson period before he got into the music he did on Warner Brothers," says former Warners A&R man Gregg Geller. (Davis also recorded the still-unreleased "Jailbait," a song Prince sent to him but didn't play on at all.)

The Undertaker (1993): Like the Flesh album, this was another attempt at an undercover band – this time a Hendrix-influenced trio of Prince, bassist Sonny Thompson and drummer Michael Bland. Recorded in one inspired day, the album included at least one cover (the Rolling Stones' "Honky Tonk Women") and Prince originals ("Dolphin," "The Ride") later re-recorded with other, larger bands. A film of the session was released in 1995.

Musicology tour live album (2004): Prince recorded and shot a Detroit stop on this return-to-form tour, which found him playing with a band (featuring Maceo Parker) and sitting down for solo acoustic versions of "Little Red Corvette," "Cream" and other classics. Of the footage, says Boxill, "It was beautifully filmed with multiple cameras, the whole concert. It should be close, if not ready, to go."

Boxill also says Prince made an entire 90-minute feature film based on 2006's 3121 album, some of it filmed on the Paisley soundstage and some in Los Angeles: "It had actors and scenes, but it looked like an extra-long music video." When Universal executives expressed indifference, the movie was shelved.

  

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82. "last time i saw him was in baltimore"
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i *almost* didnt go
it was at a crazy busy time during the school semester and it was a choice between studying for finals and seeing prince
im so glad i went
i regret that i didnt spend the extra$ to get floor seats (broke gradstudent, ugh)

the venue was not the best
but prince was on point, as usual.
im so grateful that he came to baltimore when he did
it was so necessary.
im so glad i got to see him
i regret that i didnt catch the piano and a mic tour. it was definitely my intention to

the first time i saw prince
i was in school (again)
and the show was in philly.... i got floor seats
and a friend and i drove from NC straight to the venue for the show
i had to drive back to NC after the show cause the next day was the first day of classes
but man.... from that point on, it was rare that prince would play at a venue close to me and i wouldnt go
i miss him terribly. i miss knowing that going to see a show was always something i had to look forward to
i've only been listening to the music and my god. its amazing just how much he gave us.

sorely missed
rest in purple, dearly beloved.

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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83. "Random but who was the older woman in Most Beautiful Girl In The World"
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In the video, almost at the end, there's an older black woman. Not sure if she was just representing older women or if she was special to Prince. Anyone know?

  

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86. "That's Marva Collins"
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founder of the Westside Prepartory School in Chicago, and one of Prince's longest philanthropic endeavors. He'd been donating to her school since the purple rain tour, that's how far they went back.

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I know most Prince fanatics don't consider that song one of his best but I simply adore (ba dum cha) it.

  

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89. "‘HitnRUN Phase Two’: An Oral History Of Prince’s Last Studio Album"
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‘HitnRUN Phase Two’: An Oral History Of Prince’s Last Studio Album

Written By Keith Murphy June 26 2016, 3:07 PM ET


For Eryn Allen Kane it was like hearing the voice of God on the phone. It was the spring of 2015, and the Detroit-born newcomer’s presence had been requested by music royalty: Prince Rogers Nelson. As she sat nervously in the main recording studio of Paisley Park, the surreal moment hit her. “I’m actually talking to Prince,” Kane still recalls with awe. “Prince says, “Hello Eryn…” All I could say was, “Hi…” (Laughs) And then he says, “Are you well rested?” And I’m not because I was up all night thinking about how the fu*k I was going to make this happen.”

Prince had fallen under the spell of Kane’s buttery soulful voice and thought she would be perfect for a politically charged song he was working on called “Baltimore.” The Grammy and Oscar winning superstar was inspired to pen the song following the April 2015 Baltimore riots sparked by the tragic death of an unarmed black man Freddie Gray while in custody of the police. The city burned with anger. Black Lives Matter was the rallying cry. Prince was moved to contribute something…anything. “Are we gonna see another bloody day?/We’re tired of the crying’ and people dying’/Let’s take all the guns away,” Prince implored. Both Freddie Gray and Mike Brown are name checked as symbols of a polarizing, traumatic two summers. Black lives mattered to Mr. Nelson.

“It meant the world to me to be a part of a song like “Baltimore,” Kane beams with pride. “I think as artists it’s our duty to capture this time. Our music should be little time capsules of what’s going on around us. I think Prince asking me to do such a song on a very serious topic, just to stand up for something…I was thrilled.”

“Baltimore” would be the last song Prince recorded for his final studio album HitnRUN Phase Two. June 7th would have been Mr. Nelson’s 58th birthday, nearly a month since his Royal Badness was taken away from the world on April 21, 2016. The headlines screamed a reported drug overdose due to painkillers. A recently released autopsy claims Prince died of an accidental overdose of opioid fentanyl. Yet, years of touring had taken a toll on the slight 5’3 frame of arguably the most gifted artist in all of pop music history.

But before his tragic death, Prince was a man on fire. From 2011 to 2015, the celebrated visionary who had sold over 100 million albums highlighted by such landmark works asDirty Mind (1980), 1999 (1982), Purple Rain (1984), Sign ‘O The Times (1987) andDiamonds and Pearls (1991), was on a prolific streak. Prince would end up releasing four studio albums during this relentless period: 2014’s 3rdEyeGirl featuredPlectrumelectrum and Art Official Age and 2015’s HitnRUN Phase One and Phase Two. While most artists of his unimpeachable status would have been content with resting on his seemingly endless catalogue of hits, Prince still had something to prove.

The music maverick that once cheekily proclaimed that the Internet was dead, confounded his critics when he announced that he would be releasing HitnRUN on Shawn “Jay Z” Carter’s much maligned Tidal music streaming service. Not only that, Tidal would have the rights to stream Prince’s entire studio output, a move that was met with headline-making shock. But as usual, the fiercest advocate for artist’s rights and music ownership was thinking three steps ahead.

“My thing is this…the catalog has to be protected,” Prince said during a 2015 Ebonyinterview when he was asked about his surprising move to partner up with Hov. “And some of our fans were actually disingenuous. Taking the time to get their playlists together and yeah, it’s gone. Now you got to actually go subscribe to get the music that you lost on Spotify. Spotify wasn’t paying, so you gotta shut it down.” Jay Z even added his sentiments via a guest spot on arguably 2016’s summer anthem, “All The Way Up (Remix)” by Fat Joe and Remy Ma, with the triple entendre lines, “Prince left his masters where they are safe and sound/We never gonna let the elevator take us down!”

The HitnRUN period would produce mixed results. While Phase One, the first Prince album to be touched by an outside producer (energetic keyboardist and protégé Joshua Welton), was met with polarizing criticism from some of the hardcore Purple faithful due to its contemporary R&B and rap leanings, the more throwback Phase Two quenched the thirst.

VIBE tracked down the talented people behind Prince’s final studio curtain call. From all accounts, the man, who just days before his death was putting on some of his best live shows of his 30 plus year career with the Piano & A Microphone tour, was as possessed by the music monster as ever.


This is the Oral History of Prince’s HitnRUN Phase Two.


Come To The Park And Play With Us (Fall, 2011-Winter 2012)


Andrew Gouche (Bassist and musical director. Recently released the solo album We Don’t Need No Bass.): I met Prince when I was the musical director for Chaka Khan. We opened up for him in 2011. He saw our show in North Carolina and he literally came running backstage looking for me after he saw our show. Prince was like, “Awe, man, dude you were killing it! Who did the arrangements?” He was talking to me like I was Prince! So that same year, Chaka, out of nowhere, fired her whole band. And literally the week after Chaka fired us in December of 2011, Prince’s keyboard player Cassandra O’Neal called me up and said, “Prince wants to know if he can have your number. He wants to call you.”

The next day he called me. Prince told me. “I’m going to be doing some things in 2012 and I want to know if you want to be involved?” He asked if I could come to Minneapolis and I instantly said yeah. I hung up and his assistant calls me back in five minutes and says, “Prince wants to know if you can come tomorrow.” (Laughs) So I gave her all of my information and literally 10 minutes later I get an email from Delta. In my mind I was just going to get an exit row aisle seat, but then when I looked at my reservation it said First Class. That’s when it hit me…Okay, this is that other world.

Michael B. Nelson (Trombonist, horn and string arranger, and leader of the Hornheads): I had no idea that I was going to be working with Prince in my career. Being from Minneapolis, the connection with him happened because of the relationship I had with Michael Bland, Prince’s ex-drummer from first New Power Generation. Before we began working on (HitnRUN Phase II), I first met Prince back in 1991 when he was rehearsing for the Diamonds and Pearls tour. The Hornheads worked with Prince from 1991 to 2001. When he called us again in 2011, we started recording tracks for an artist he was producing named Andy Allo. And then we did a bunch of stuff that eventually ended up on Phase II. The first track we worked on was “Xtraloveable.”

Justin Stanley (Studio engineer, drummer, producer and husband of alternative soul singer Nikka Costa.): “Xtraloveable” was an old school, classic Prince track that dated back to the ‘80s. Prince would sometimes pull tapes out of the Vault (The Purple One’s mythical heavily secured library rumored to contain thousands of unreleased songs, videos and concert footage). He would bring them in and put them in the tape machine. Until the end, Prince was still using analog tape. He would only go to Pro Tools at the end of a session. He used the tapes to get him inspired. He was always reinventing and taking inspiration from those tapes in the Vault.

I was a lot luckier than a lot of studio engineers that ended up working with Prince over the years. Because I was lucky enough to have a friendship with him before I started to work on (HitnRUN Phase II). I could actually have a viewpoint on something he was doing creatively. You would hear all the classic stories that he wouldn’t even talk to engineers. That’s not to say that I had a lot of advice to give to someone like Prince. Because, let’s face it, he’s Prince (laughs). He didn’t really need an engineer. He was pretty much brilliant at that, too.

Michael B. Nelson: Prince sent me the song and there is a version that got released with Andy Allo rapping on it. So he said, “Where the rap is at write something for the horns.” What’s interesting about “Xtraloveable” is there were synth horn parts throughout it…the classic Prince synth horns. So we played along with those, but then another thing I did with Prince tracks that I knew he liked was anytime there was some space, I would throw something interesting in there if I heard it in my head.

Peter Asher the producer (who has overseen albums by the legendary likes of James Taylor, Linda Rondstadt and Morrissey) happened to be visiting Paisley Park and was sitting in on the “Xtraloveable” session. Prince was giving him a tour and afterwards we went back into the control room. And Prince is grooving to it. And when that horn solo came on he just popped up from his chair, kicked over the garbage can and yelled, “That’s it!” and walked out (laughs). That was the approval from Prince that you loved to see.

John Blackwell (Longtime New Power Generation drummer and Prince collaborator): It’s all true. Prince would usually play everything on his records. But whenever he recorded with the band he would say, “Bass player, you play this, drummer, you play this, keyboardist you play this.” Prince would arrange everything in his head, even the horn parts. That’s how “2YTD” (“Too Young To Dare”) came about. It felt good…it was a funky song…reminded me of Al Green. Everybody had a smile on their face after it was done.

Ledisi Anibade Young (Nine-time Grammy nominated vocalist. Contributed backup vocals on HitnRUN Phase Two): Prince called out of the blue and said, “Hey, I want you to come record some songs with me and just hang out in Minneapolis.” I was there for a minute, but I didn’t care. For Prince to invite me out was amazing to me. You have to understand, he’s very picky about who he allows in his circle.

Michael B. Nelson: “Groovy Potential” was a song Prince pretty much gave me carte blanche on. There’s some obvious turn-around licks and things like that all over that track, but the woodwind, muted brass riff is something I had written because I always challenged myself by giving Prince something interesting. It has 10 horns on it. And on the end of “Groovy Potential” Prince goes into this cool funk vamp.

There’s some low, funky horn stuff there too, but that’s not how I wrote it. This’s why Prince is a genius. He would actually move around some of the horn arrangements himself. He took stuff out and played with it a little bit. That’s what made it fun for me at the end of the day. I gave Prince all this stuff to mess with…now what was he going to do with it?

Justin Stanley: Prince had the most amazing horn section. It was amazing to see him arrange on the spot. He had all the parts in his head and they weren’t simple horn parts. That was the thing about Prince. He made you strive for perfection. Just imagine playing drums for him. That’s how I started in music…as a drummer. So one evening Prince comes to me and says, “Can you play?”
He was trying to find the right percussion sound for a track on the album. So I go into the studio, and Prince was basically engineering the drum sound. He turns on the mic and says, “Play ‘Superstition’” (Stevie Wonder’s 1972 hit). I’m playing the drums and Prince jumps on the clavinet and we were just jamming for like 15 minutes straight! After that he turns around and says, “You’re hired.” (Laughs)

Michael B. Nelson: One of my favorite (Phase II) songs is “Black Muse.” When you listen to it, it’s really two tracks. The second part of the song is called “1000 Light Years Away.” That song was pretty much wide open for me. With any Prince tune, whether he gave me a guide track or not there’s always things in his songs that are unique that only Prince would do.

The back half of “Black Muse” has more to grab on to. I started doing a lot of double ensemble recording where I would take the normal Hornheads instrumentation—which was two trumpets, a tenor sax, a trombone and baritone sax—the classic horn section sound. Then I would write another ensemble with flute, clarinet, and muted brass and play them off each other for a different texture.

John Blackwell: “Black Muse” was more like jazz-fusion. It kind of reminded me of when it was just him and me in the studio recording The Rainbow Children album. Prince would say that he wanted me to look at any music that we were doing as if it was from all of us. Working with him was like being enrolled in a college university. He was the professor and we were the students.


The New Girl (Spring 2013-Winter 2014)


Eryn Allen Kane (Vocalist featured on Prince’s Freddie Gray-inspired protest anthem “Baltimore.” Recently released her two-part debut EPAviary: Act 1 and Act II.): Prince actually found me. I had released a song that was all acapella, which I produced and wrote called “Hollow.” And somehow Prince heard my song through an artist who actually posted my work. One day I saw an email that read “The Purple One sent a notification to your YouTube.” I just laughed because I knew they weren’t talking about Prince! But lo and behold he posted the link to my song on Twitter. And then shortly after that his camp reached out to us. It’s crazy. I’m nobody. I’m just a kid from Detroit…I didn’t have a pot to piss in and here he is paying attention to the little moves that I was making. It meant the world to me.

John Blackwell: I think Prince loved being a mentor to new artists. He had been there done that, so when it came to working with younger artists (during the HitnRUN period), whether it was Kendrick Lamar or 3rd Eye Girl, he loved giving them direction. He always told me, “John, never give up your masters if you get a record deal. And always make sure you retain your publishing.” Your legacy will be set. Instead of it benefitting a record executive’s kid it should benefit your kids.

Ledisi: Prince would always reach out to up and coming talent. That’s what I loved about him… his advocacy when it came to new talent. He would always preach music ownership. That’s what he wanted to be known for.

Justin Stanley: While we were finishing up songs for (Phase II), Prince flew in the head of a huge publishing company and his lawyer just to debate the rights of musicians. It was amazing being a fly on the wall during their debate. These guys, I have to give it to them. They kind of went through the ringer because Prince was so smart about artist’s ownership rights. Prince won the debate. He would never do anything without knowing he couldn’t win whether it was music or table tennis (laughs).

John Blackwell: One of the first (Phase II) songs we recorded was “Revelation.” When we were working on that everybody was just excited. We all looked at each other like, “Man, this song is going to be crazy!” It just felt special.

Andrew Gouche: Prince loved to jam. So a lot of the HitnRUN songs came out of us having jam sessions from the skeleton songs that were in his head. “Revelation” was one of those tracks. I was just doing a vibe on the bass and it morphed into a song. I play six string bass and Prince played four string. So I tried to get him to play my bass and he backed away from it like it was the plague (laughs). He never touched my bass.

John Blackwell: Another song that gave me that same feeling was “Look At Me, Look At U.” It’s one of my favorites off the record. I like songs that are in the key of C minor. There’s another track that Prince made in C minor that was on his first album called “Crazy You.” So when we did “Look At Me, Look At U” I already knew it was going to be my favorite.

Michael B. Nelson: Prince sent (“Look At Me, Look At U”) to us to produce the strings. He was always trying different things. Just listen to that accordion on “When She Comes,” which was a surprise to me. But the first time he gave “When She Comes” to me there were no vocals on it. Prince told me it was an instrumental. It was so wide open that I didn’t feel comfortable writing for it.

He later gave me a vocal version of the song and I did a pretty full arrangement, but what really surprised me was that rhythm section and the melody he put over the top, which was brilliant. I’m thinking, “Man, never in a million years would I think this would work over that.” If you listen to how he sings the blues phrases over the descending jazz chords it’s like, “Wow!”
Ledisi: Being in the studio with Prince felt like two friends hanging out. It was just me, him and the engineer working on a song called “Big City.” This wasn’t flashy Prince; this was Prince Rogers Nelson in Minneapolis at his house hanging out. So when I started to record my vocals and make mistakes he would say, “Oh, I love that. I love your mistakes. Don’t stop…keep going.”

Or if I would curse a little he would say, “Ledisi…just keep going and no cursing, please.” (Laughs). I would always forget that because I cussed when I recorded. Around Prince, I just remained myself. I think that’s what he loved about our relationship. I was just me all the time.

Michael B. Nelson: That’s our horns on the intro to “Big City,” but there’s a whole extra set of horn tracks on there as well. Prince brought in his touring horn section (the NPG Horns). They have a much looser, funkier sound. I grew up listening to big band and I was very much a be bop and jazz musician. So my musical background was very different from Prince’s. When I started to work with him, I started listening to some James Brown and Sly Stone, but they were not part of my early influences.

Justin Stanley: Prince had this really cheap, cheesy Yamaha keyboard he would sometimes play (laughs). The one you would get for a child with all the pre-programmed sounds. And I knew that he had all these amazing synth keyboards that he used in the ‘80s like the Oberheim OB Synth and the Mini Moog. So I asked him, “Where are all those keyboards?” And Prince gave me the keys to his warehouse.

I don’t know if you ever saw the end of Citizen Kane, but that’s how Prince’s warehouse looked inside. It was basically every set from the beginning when he first started. I saw every bit of Prince’s clothing, every bit of gear, every instrument…it went on for days. It felt like I was in a candy store of musical history. So we found all of the vintage synths and I set them all back up at the studio. But the funny thing was Prince kept going back to that Yamaha keyboard. Even though it was cheap Prince made it sound cool.

Michael B. Nelson: We didn’t play on “Stare,” which has more of a James Brown thing. That bassline is great. You listen to that song and it sounds like they were just in that studio working it out with Prince. His horn writing with the right tune will always connect with James. But if you listen to an album like the Symbol project, where he was pretty much dictating the horn-lines, that was more than James Brown. Prince was doing some very out-there stuff with the horns on that record.


May You Live To See The Dawn (Summer 2015-Spring 2016)


Michael B. Nelson: “Baltimore was actually the last track we recorded when the Freddie Gray (tragedy) took place. I have to admit that as a horn player and instrumentalist, as a rule I don’t listen to lyrics a lot. But I certainly didn’t miss the lyrics on “Baltimore.” I think the death of Freddie Gray was an important thing to address. I support someone like Prince putting a message out like that. Some people criticized him for that, but that’s an important part of art.

Eryn Allen Kane: I had just arrived at Paisley Park to record the “Baltimore” song. Prince says, “I’m going to have Josh (Welton) play the song for you. And afterwards he’s going to give me a call to let me know if you like it or not.” So we listened to the song and Josh was like, “Okay, I’m going to call him back…” And I’m pooping in my pants (laughs). So Prince goes, “So what you think?” I told him it was really cool. And then he said, “Okay, but it needs some of your soul on it.” I was like, “Wow.”

I’m asking him, “What do you want me to do?” And Prince just says, “Do whatever you do…whatever it is you feel.” So I went into the studio and I recorded my part and after doing so we had a couple of notes to add, but he kept everything that I did. I couldn’t believe it.

Michael B. Nelson: “Baltimore” is in a completely different category than the other songs we worked on for Phase II. In 2012, Prince’s longtime string arranger Clare Fischer passed away. Sometime that year, Prince contacted me about producing strings for some songs. I brought on Adi Yeshaya and Stringenius to work on the fuller orchestral arrangements.

But Prince’s specific instruction was to have the strings play the guitar solo, which was a really great idea. “Baltimore” was the testing ground for the orchestration work Prince wanted to do. He kept throwing harder and harder tracks at us just to see how far we could go with it. When we finished he sent us a link to it with an email that read, “Mike, after listening to this you can tell that we are on the brink of some landmark recordings this summer. We truly want to keep going in this direction.”

Andrew Gouche: The coolest moment I ever had with Prince when we were making (Phase II) was when I had my equipment shipped to Paisley Park. I walked in one day ready to record and Prince was playing through my bass rig and Blackwell was playing drums. And they were running through the Time’s “777-9311.” Prince was killing that shit so hard for almost 30 minutes straight! It’s funny because you think you know Prince songs as a musician, but to actually see the guy that played the bass on those actual records, that was a real A Ha! moment for me. Me and the keyboard player just stood there literally watching in awe.

Justin Stanley: But with Prince it goes beyond the music. He was a very giving guy. Just talk to some of his past band members. He would stop in their local town and go to their old school and write out a check for $100 grand. But you would never hear about it. He was so generous of his time.

Eryn Allen Kane: Now mind you, this man didn’t really know me, but he was really supportive. Prince calls and says, “Hey, do you want to come perform the song with me in Baltimore for the Rally 4 Peace concert?” And I was like, “Um…when is it?” And Prince goes, “Tomorrow.” This man kept giving me heart attacks! (Laughs) My mom and family live in DC, so we are all at the Baltimore show. Everybody was there…Alicia Keys, Beyoncé, Questlove (of the Roots). Before I even went onstage Prince goes, “Eryn, come here. I want to practice with you.” I go in the dressing room and I’m sitting there and Prince is tuning his guitar. And I start getting tears in my eyes.

I said to him, “Can I tell you something? Three years ago, I was at the United Center in Chicago. You were there for three days and I couldn’t afford tickets, but on your last day I mustered up $40 dollars to go to your show. And I sat in the nosebleed section. I sat there crying like, “I will never be in the nosebleed seat again!” When I saw Janelle Monae pop up onstage, I kinda got jealous like, “Well, I guess that will never happen to me.” And Prince says, “I have a feeling that things are going to be a little different tonight. You are exactly where you are supposed to be.”

Michael B. Nelson: It’s one thing to write a song like “Baltimore,” of which I was honored to be a part of. I knew how important that song was to him. But it was so important for Prince to go to the city of Baltimore and do a concert for the people.
Eryn Allen Kane: The family of Freddie Gray was there. It was really a moment for me…for all of us. We went over the song “Baltimore” before we hit the stage. And one of the couches in the room ended up breaking because all the background singers were piled in. Prince just started cracking up. He said, “As long as I’m black, I ain’t never going to forget that!” (Laughs)

Justin Stanley: We were almost finished with the album and Prince tells me to set up his mic and that he would call me when he was done. So it’s probably around 6 in the evening and I had left the studio. Prince calls me in the next morning. I walk into the studio and he’s already recorded every lead vocal to every song on that record! It was the most amazing thing. That just blew my mind.

Miles Marshall Lewis (Former VIBE editor; writer and author of There’s a Riot Goin’ On and Scars of the Soul Are Why Kids Wear Bandages When They Don’t Have Bruises): I was hoping that I would get an audience with Prince. This was in August 2015. I got an email from Paisley Park and they wanted me to interview Joshua Welton, who co-produced some of the HitnRUN Phase One album, which had just come out. Prince had just linked up with Tidal and he wanted to get the word out. I was writing for Ebony at the time and I remember Prince was in a very good mood. He kept fooling with his Afro and had his eyeliner on. He was pure Prince.

Toward the end of the interview, we were alone in Studio A at Paisley Park with his assistant. And Prince kept mentioning a song that he wanted to play for me. His assistant then takes me outside and Prince drives around in his Cadillac and swings open the doors. He played me the track along with the entire HitnRUN Phase Two album. I asked him if it was near finished and he looked at me and said, “It’s done.” I just shook my head like, “My bad.” (Laughs). I was like this motherfu*ker finished a whole other album that nobody knows about.

Michael B. Nelson: I was sitting in my office and my cellphone started blowing up. Somebody said that there had been a death at Paisley Park. My first thought was it can’t be Prince. But within 10 to 15 minutes I found it was true. I had this conversation with a lot of his peers who have worked with him. I think I had the same reaction that everybody else did. Prince never really seemed completely of this world in the first place. He was mystical in the way he was. His mortality never occurred to me. So I was so really taken aback by his death.

Justin Stanley: I was having coffee and I got a text from my wife. (Stanley then starts to break down in tears). I still can’t talk about it. You really can’t touch on how great Prince was. He had a real dedication to music and lived it 24/7.

John Blackwell: I cried all day when I heard the news. I felt horrible that I wasn’t able to patch whatever things that we had between us. Just to say I love you, I forgive you, do you forgive me? Me and Prince were like, and don’t take this the wrong way, girlfriend and boyfriend (laughs). You have your moments when you have falling outs and then your make-ups. That’s how it was with that guy.

Prince was very demanding and sometimes things would get crazy. And I’m like, “Man, I’m going home.” Then I get home and see my wife and my kids and I’m telling her, “Oh, I’m so happy to see you! I had to get away from Prince.” And then my wife starts acting crazy and I call Prince and say, “Hey, man…you got any studio work?” Can I get up there? (Laughs) Prince expected everybody to be as good as him. He always wanted me to see music as belonging to everybody.

Ledisi: I remember we did this gig at Coachella. Prince’s playing was amazing that night. Just to see somebody play all of these instruments from the big arenas to just the intimate space. That’s what he gave no matter where he was at. He would do that same great guitar solo if he were in front of eight people. Prince just loved music. That’s his legacy. He was proud of his culture…his people. I don’t like to talk about him as if he’s gone. I feel like Prince is still here. I’m not done letting him go.

Andrew Gouche: Someone asked me, “Well, did you ever see him taking painkillers?” No. All I ever saw was Prince eating right. He didn’t even swear. And you weren’t allowed to swear around him. Prince’s life was an example. I lost 40 pounds when I started working for that dude. I was like if Prince can do it, I can do it. He was such an inspiration to me. He did it by example. He didn’t preach. He wasn’t lecturing you. But you saw how he lived.
Miles Marshall Lewis: Like everyone else I just underestimated how much he was in pain. I was aware that he had some kind of hip surgery some years ago and that he wasn’t doing the splits that he used to do now that he was in his mid 50s. But I never thought it would be drugs. I’m still in shock. Prince had his ways. He liked to be in control. I’m willing to entertain all conspiracy theories. Because that wasn’t the Prince we knew.

Eryn Allen Kane: I get emotional thinking about the brief moments we shared together. We stayed in the dressing room for about an hour before we went onstage. He just gave me this inspirational talk like “Eryn, you can be the voice of your generation. Your songs are like Negro spirituals. You have to carry that torch. We have already done it. It’s time for others to step up.” I didn’t even believe in myself at that point. For Prince to say that to somebody he had just met was crazy. Prince was the best, man.

  

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90. "I've been on a non-stop Prince binge for the past 2 months. He was my"
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favorite, but I really hadn't been listening to him in awhile. One thing I didn't realize is just how much he's released in recent times and how good some of his B-sides and 90s material is. I've revisited some of those 90s albums like Grafitti Bridge and Gold Experience and forgot just how great (not entirely, but in spots) those albums were. I've also realized that despite him being my favorite artist, my collection and knowledge of his work pales in comparison to his die hard fans. I'm getting there though.

I've also been listening to a lot of The Ball and Dream Factory. Feel U Up, Rock Hard in a Funky Place, Shockadelica, Witness 4 the Prosecution, Movie star, La, la, la, he, he, hee, etc. Good grief, his B-Sides blow away most great musicians best work.

  

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http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/princes-legacy-inside-the-messy-battle-w440966

Prince's Legacy: Inside the Messy Battle


Advisors detail plans to open Paisley Park as the feud over the rest of musician's estate gets more turbulent

By David Browne

On October 6th, nearly six months after Prince's death from an accidental overdose of the opioid fentanyl, his fabled Paisley Park compound in Chanhassen, Minnesota, will open its doors for public tours. In preparation, workers digging through its rooms have found an array of treasures: from vintage outfits (including the one he wore at the Super Bowl halftime show in 2007) to a book with 40 to 50 pages of handwritten lyrics and a secret room that hid unreleased video footage.


"Everywhere I turn," a source close to the project tells Rolling Stone, "it's, 'Holy crap.'" Even more surprising are the detailed guidelines Prince left behind for turning Paisley Park into a museum after his death – including a wall-mounted timeline of his life through the mid-1990s and messages and texts sent to friends that specify how he wanted fans to walk through Paisley Park.

"We're seeing e-mails he sent four months before his death that say how he wanted it," says the source. "He wasn't foreshadowing anything. (But) he always wanted his fans to come here. He left us a big road map."

Unfortunately, the museum is about the only aspect of Prince's affairs that has a road map. His estate has become a tangle of legitimate and dubious heirs, daunting financial burdens and tough questions over who should have a say in shaping his legacy. A perfect example of the chaos was seen in the planning for the official Prince tribute concert, currently scheduled for October 13th at the Xcel Energy Center in St. Paul, Minnesota.

Originally set for August at U.S. Bank Stadium in Minneapolis, the show was postponed several times and an early promoter dropped out at the last minute. Just when it seemed that the concert might not take place, a lineup – featuring Stevie Wonder, Christina Aguilera, Chaka Khan, John Mayer, Morris Day and the Time, and members of the New Power Generation – was rolled out less than a month before the show.

The issue of who controls Prince's assets is even messier. Since he left no will and had no known children, his estate will be split among his sister, Tyka, and his half-siblings Sharon, Norrine, John Nelson, Alfred Jackson and Omarr Baker. "I don't think Prince was too concerned about these earthly concerns we have," says Frank Wheaton, Jackson's attorney.

Yet more than two dozen people filed affidavits of heirship, including a woman who claims she secretly married Prince in 2002. She was unable to produce either the wedding certificate or a secret will she claims to possess because "the CIA and other agencies consider both documents to be top-secret," according to court papers. As Judge Kevin Eide said during one hearing, "In many ways, we are in uncharted water here." Most of those claims have been thrown out by the court.

Prince's family now faces a daunting estate-tax bill that will come due in January, based on the value of his recorded work and real estate. Some have estimated his assets at as much as $300 million, and Prince's estate may owe as much as half that amount.

One surefire revenue generator will be Prince's music. To temporarily help manage his assets, Bremer Trust – the Minnesota bank and investment firm chosen by a court to serve as special administrator for Prince's estate – appointed two industry veterans: L. Londell McMillan, who once served as Prince's lawyer, and longtime executive Charles Koppelman, who brokered the deal for Prince's 1996 album Emancipation. According to McMillan, a possible hits package could be released by year's end.

Even more valuable, potentially, is the massive amount of unreleased music and video in his vault at Paisley Park. McMillan says fans should expect to hear some of that material next year. "We're still doing inventory, and we're still mourning," he says. "I know the world wants to commercialize it, but we're still getting through the stuff."

One source has estimated that the vault contains "thousands upon thousands" of tapes, but as of press time, no Prince associate had been put in charge of sifting through the material. Bremer Trust contacted Susan Rogers, Prince's engineer for much of the 1980s, who tells Rolling Stones he's willing to play an advisory role but nothing has been nailed down yet.

"We need to approach this with love and care and a high moral compass," Rogers says. "Some of his fans have written to me and begged that his material not be altered in any way." Among the gems Rogers would love to see released are a version of "Nothing Compares 2 U" with Prince singing lead, and the 1982 outtake "Moonbeam Levels," which she calls "poignant and revealing, which is probably why it was both valuable and risky for him."

A source close to the family members says they initially weren't happy with the decision to appoint McMillan and Koppelman. Sources say the family members would prefer others who worked more closely with Prince in recent years, such as Trevor Guy, who ran Prince's NPG label. To the family's surprise, Koppelman told the New York Post that he thought the unreleased songs in Prince's vault could be turned into a Broadway musical.

For now, Prince's family is focusing on opening Paisley Park to the public. The compound will be managed and overseen by Graceland Holdings, the same group that runs Elvis Presley's famous home. The company approached Prince's family over the summer and invested several million dollars.

Fans touring the facility will only have access to the first floor; they won't be able to see the basement vault, the elevator where Prince was found dead or his private apartment on the second floor. Yet there will still be plenty to experience: More than 12 rooms will be decorated thematically, each documenting a particular era of Prince's career, down to period costumes, instruments and unreleased concert footage. The recording studios will remain active, and, eventually, Paisley Park's 12,400-square-foot soundstage and the more intimate nightclub next to it will host live performances by acts yet to be named. The legendary dove cages in the lobby will also remain, as will the original carpet Prince walked on.

For the family, who approve of the plans, the idea is to keep Paisley Park operating as if Prince were still alive. "We don't want the place to be known as something that's a memory or is dead," says Baker. "As long as Paisley Park is kept alive, my brother is kept alive."

  

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92. "well...this made me lose it."
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thank goodness this office has a door i can close.

fuck you.

  

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93. "RE: well...this made me lose it."
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U and me, dog.....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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94. "This whole situation is so tragically odd to me."
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Prince leaves extensive instructions on how he wants the public to experience Paisley Park after he's gone, but doesn't write a will? Doesn't leave instructions about what to do with his vault? It's either the most or least Prince thing ever.

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95. "as litigious as the dude was..."
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i don't get him not leaving a will.

he claimed he wasn't into contracts - the dude was involved in dozens of contracts.

it makes no sense.

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96. "Who's planning to go on the Paisley Park tour?"
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anyone?

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fuck you.

  

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100. "RE: Who's planning to go on the Paisley Park tour?"
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I'm def. going to go....I'm ready to FAN OUT on some throw back shit....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/princes-revolution-inside-bands-bittersweet-reunion-w441233

Prince's Revolution: Inside Band's Bittersweet Reunion


Behind the scenes as 'Purple Rain' group gathers in Minneapolis for an intense tribute to its fallen leader

By Touré

It's just after 9:00 on a Thursday night in downtown Minneapolis, and the sidewalks in front of First Avenue are crammed with people. The Revolution are about to play their first show since the death of Prince, their friend and former leader, in April. Appearing tonight is the lineup that madePurple Rain – rhythm guitarist Wendy Melvoin, keyboardists Lisa Coleman and Matt "Dr." Fink, bassist Brownmark and drummer Bobby Z – plus two core members of the band from a previous incarnation: rhythm guitarist Dez Dickerson and bass guitarist André Cymone, a childhood friend who lived with Prince when they were kids.

First Avenue is hallowed ground in Princeworld. This is where Purple Rainwas shot, and where much of the soundtrack was recorded. Tonight is an important part of the grieving process for both the band and fans. That's why multiple friends say that the Revolution are an "emotional wreck."

Before the show, there was a week of rehearsals in Los Angeles – essential for a band that's played only a handful of gigs since breaking up in 1986. Stories about Prince flowed easily; coming together musically was harder. "It was really intense," Coleman says of the rehearsals. "Difficult. The music was mercurial. Like, we couldn't quite grab it. I mean, we were trained to look at Prince for cues, and even if he's wrong, he's right. We were looking into a space and then looking at each other going, 'What is this?'"

Minutes before the show, back in the tiny dressing room, a low-key family reunion is taking place. Apollonia – Prince's love interest in Purple Rain – floats in, wearing a tight gold dress. These days, she runs an entertainment company. Both of Prince's ex-wives, Mayte Garcia and Manuela Testolini, are here. So is Susannah Melvoin, Wendy's twin sister and Prince's ex-fiancee, and co-lead singer of the Family. There's also Jerome Benton from the Time, Purple Rain engineer Susan Rogers and Omarr Baker, Prince's younger half-brother. Band members' children flow in and out of the room.

Wendy says the members of the Revolution have been taking care of each other since Prince died: "We need each other to get through this." She says they talk every day. "I'm still in shock," Bobby Z says. "I still can't believe he's gone." Around 9:30, I ask Coleman if she's ready. She says, "Yeah . . .," without much conviction. Then she says "no" and shakes her head.

Just before 10 p.m., the purple lights go up and the band launches into "Let's Go Crazy," with Wendy singing lead. There's something tentative about everyone's performance. Maybe it's because, as Wendy adds later, "There were people (in the audience) in complete catatonic tears." Or maybe, as many said, they could feel Prince's presence. "I know it sounds metaphysical or something," Apollonia says later, "but we feel him. He is with us."

By the third song, "America," things begin to coalesce. Wendy is dancing. The band rocks through "Mountains," "Uptown" and "Little Red Corvette," the leads shared by Wendy, Dickerson, Brownmark and Cymone. Then Bilal, the R&B singer, walks onstage and does justice to the powerhouse "The Beautiful Ones."

Around 11, the guys depart, leaving Wendy and Coleman alone onstage. The pair, who once appeared on the cover of Rolling Stone with Prince, went on to release three albums as a duo after the Revolution broke up. Tonight, they ease into "Sometimes It Snows in April." "I often dream of heaven, and I know," Wendy sings, changing a key line, "that Prince is there." Everyone in the building is in tears. To get through it, Coleman later recalls, "I had to put myself into a trance and not think about what it's about too much." At the song's end, she points to the sky, looks up and mouths, "I love you."

The following night, they do it all over again, but this time the nerves are gone. The band explodes out of the gate, and from the first chorus of "Let's Go Crazy," everyone's dancing. Melvoin tells Prince stories from the stage. "He always told us," she says, " 'if you make a mistake, make it twice!' " Now, they know they can take this show on the road – and there's talk that they will. But once again, after "Purple Rain," the dressing-room door closes and there are lots of tears. "It's a very strange feeling," Bobby Z says, summing up the reunion. "You're excited and sad at the same time."

  

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101. "'we were trained to look at Prince for cues...'"
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damn.

fuck you.

  

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i dunno if the Revolution would welcome him joining them onstage for a song or 2 (AMERICA and BABY I'M A STAR and/or IT'S GONNA BE A BEAUTIFUL NIGHT) but I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT SHIT.

fuck you.

  

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103. "RE: come on, D'Angelo."
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>i dunno if the Revolution would welcome him joining them
>onstage for a song or 2 (AMERICA and BABY I'M A STAR and/or
>IT'S GONNA BE A BEAUTIFUL NIGHT) but I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT
>SHIT.


Ditto....

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104. "‘Today Show’ Offers Sneak Peek Of Prince’s Paisley Park Museum"
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http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/step-inside-princes-paisley-park-complex-with-today-tour-w443512


(this link has 2 clips, one with Tyka - not sure if the OKP link has the Tyka interview)



http://www.okayplayer.com/news/today-show-offers-sneak-peek-of-princes-paisley-park-museum.html


‘Today Show’ Offers Sneak Peek Of Prince’s Paisley Park Museum

BY ELIJAH C. WATSON


Although the grand opening of Prince‘s Paisley Park is now up in the air (it’ll only be open tomorrow, Saturday and next Thursday), at least now we have a better idea of what the museum looks like.

Al Roker traveled to Chanhassen to take a tour of Paisley Park for “Today,” offering viewers a sneak peek into the Purple One’s sanctuary.

Roker explores a number of different rooms: from the control room of Studio A, where Prince would record into the late hours of the night (and leave potential songs for his engineers to work on during the day) to the Purple Rain room that displays the film as well as artifacts from the movie (the script; Prince’s infamous purple suit and his motorcycle; and the keyboard and guitar he plays), the entire facility looks like it offers an incredible and immense Prince experience.

Roker also talks to Angie Marchese, Paisley Park’s archivist, who’s responsible for all of the inventory within the museum (turns out that Prince had exactly 6,000 custom made clothes, according to Marchese).

The segment then turns over to Roker speaking with Prince’s sisters, Sharon and Norrine Nelson.

“He did plan for (Paisley Park) to be a museum,” Sharon said. “Everything is strategically placed, and when the fans come in they’ll see that it is.”

“It’s truly Prince,” Norrine added. “He thought all of this through. He had a vision and he finished it.”

Roker also reveals that the Purple One was working on a jazz album before his death, which will be released at some point in the foreseeable future.

With the official Prince Tribute concert happening next week, it’s unfortunate that Paisley Park will only be open to the public for one day. But at least if you had any doubts about the magnitude of Paisley Park, hopefully this video will make you anticipate its grand opening even more.

  

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https://www.yahoo.com/music/exclusive-princes-sister-tyka-nelson-232200597.html

  

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Prince's Epic 'Purple Rain' Tour: An Oral History

High-tech effects, Madonna and Bruce Springsteen cameos, Olympic-level choreography – members of the Revolution look back on their shining moment

Members of the Revolution look back on Prince's massive, awe-inspiring 'Purple Rain' tour in our exclusive oral history. L

By David Browne


On July 27th, 1984, Prince and the Revolution were confronted with their first hint of how their lives were about to change when they attended the Hollywood premiere of Prince's first movie, Purple Rain. "That night at Grauman's Chinese Theatre was insane," recalls keyboardist Lisa Coleman. "We thought were just making what would be kind of a cult film. I'd stood in line at that theater to see Alien the first day it came out. And now there I was, arriving in a limo. Limousine, red carpet – none of us had ever done anything like that before. We felt more like rebels, and suddenly we're all fancy, like movie stars."


That night would only be the start of one of the most momentous years in Prince's life. The film was an immediate cultural touchstone, grossing $7.7 million in its opening weekend (a commanding figure at the time) and eventually grossing 10 times that amount. Four months later, at the Joe Louis Arena in Detroit, Prince and the Revolution launched the Purple Rain tour. The 98-show trek, which continued through April 1985, was groundbreaking in many ways: It introduced Prince's most elaborate sets and a new guitarist (Wendy Melvoin), and the crowd hysteria and occasional cameos from the likes of Bruce Springsteen and Madonna confirmed Prince's place as pop's most commanding star of the moment.

In the confines of those tightly structured shows, Prince reveled in special effects and over-the-top staging – doing splits or somersaults, playing his famous ejaculating guitar (using Ivory Liquid, of course) or pretending to talk to the Lord during the "Purple Rain" B side "God." Yet the tour impacted on him in ways he and the Revolution never expected. In time for the upcoming deluxe reissue of the Purple Rain album – with accompanying bonus audio and video material – and the tour's inclusion on Rolling Stone's 50 Greatest Concerts of the Last 50 Years list, RS spoke with the Revolution and the band's unofficial member, lighting director LeRoy Bennett, about those momentous five months and their aftermath.


I. Preparations

Wendy Melvoin (guitarist): I remember being conscious that the Purple Rain tour was the biggest thing he had ever done (during planning stages). I kept seeing sketches of plans and Prince would buzz in and out of the rooms. We were all being fitted for clothes that were being made. I was standing on one of those pill boxes, and there are about five people doing the measurements on me. It was like Queen Victoria being dressed for a gathering. At one point, one of them tried to do an inseam on my pant leg, and I felt really oddly like, "Fuck this – I'm not entitled to this. Why is this happening?"

Prince walked in and asked me to come outside so he could talk to me. Apparently he had been watching what was going on and he took me outside and goes, "You have to allow this to happen. You have to allow them to do what it is that they do. That's why they're here. And don't feel bad about it." At that very moment, I realized, "OK. There's something else happening here, and I just have to let this happen." I didn't want to get in the way of how he was trying to represent himself. And that was a big, big a-ha! moment for me. I sat back and saw this thing unfold.

LeRoy Bennett (lighting director): The theatrics started to become more and more evident. Controversy had a little bit and the 1999 tour had a bit more theatrics in it. But the Purple Rain tour was a major step in technology for us. Once you've seen a laser beam for five minutes, you're done with it. So what we were doing was pushing the lasers and different things through fiber optics. We had dry-ice fog, but we used liquid nitrogen a lot. For "When Doves Cry," we'd have jets that shot horizontally across the stage. It almost looked like ghosts that flew across, met in the middle of the stage and dissipated. Other (lights) came up from the back like these huge fountains. We wanted the show to be more of an immersive experience. We wanted to portray the emotions of the songs and create interesting environments.

Melvoin: As far as signing a non-disclosure, like "You're not allowed to do drugs," I had heard his crew had to do something like that, but we as a band didn't have to. But he didn't like it when you drank in public and someone took a picture of it. He would get really buzzed if you had a picture taken with a beer because it's like, "I don't want children to think they can be badass only with a beer in their hand!" I understood it. I got it. There was a little bit of a weirdness, but I understood it was a business he was trying to run, and I respected it.

Matt Fink (keyboardist): Very few bands – pop bands, which I suppose you could say we were at that time – were doing coordinated dance moves while they were on their instruments. Keyboard players like myself, you didn't really see them doing choreographed moves with the bands. But Prince wanted the whole band moving.

Mark Brown (a.k.a. BrownMark, bassist): I grew up in a time period where I would go see Cameo and the whole band was always moving. I was always asked to help with the choreography (for Prince), and so, when we would build the shows, I was kind of responsible for all of the movement. I had to figure out a way, with this different type of music, to create movement that was simple and where you could still play your instrument effectively. It was a challenge because not everybody was used to dancing and playing.

Lisa Coleman (keyboardist): We would just have to bend our bodies or shake our heads. Sometimes it got kind of rough too because I was wearing high heels and playing keyboards. It ruined my back for the rest of my life.

Fink: We were at Rudolphs Bar-B-Que (in Minneapolis) one late night and I remember Prince saying to me, "Do you think it would be cool if Bobby was standing up playing drums?" And I said, "How does a drummer stand up?" He wanted so badly for Bobby to stand up and play drums. But it worked because we had the drum machine running and Bobby was playing percussion and cymbals against the drum machine.

Bobby Z. (a.k.a. Robert Rivkin, drummer): No drummers had been required to do choreography. That was just the Prince world. We'd practice in front of a mirror. Looking at yourself was hard. He made us all look graceful, like in a ballet, because you don't want to be a dork.

Melvoin: We had two weeks of productions rehearsals, I think in St. Paul, right before the tour started. I remember the first day we went in for full-on production, and that was astonishing to see it. That's when I realized it, "Holy shit, this is massive. We're in a stadium right now in production rehearsals." I know it doesn't sound like much right now, but back then it was like, "Oh, my God."

Bennett: We spent more time in rehearsal than we had ever done before. It was almost like we did a tour of Minneapolis because we kept changing venues once a week, or once a week and half.

Bobby Z.: It was all about how he entered the stage. At various shows it was, "OK, now you have the gymnasium and the catwalk." The biggest thing they had were the elevators under the stage for "Let's Go Crazy." There was a mannequin for when he would appear and disappear. There were all these cool magic tricks to get Prince on and off stage.

Brown: For the "When Doves Cry" scene, you had this stage prop of the claw-foot tub up on a hydraulic lift behind Bobby that was way up high. The first time they tried using the tub, which was very lightweight and made out of fiberglass, Prince got into it and they had not nailed it down into the platform. That thing went right over backwards once he got in it. He took quite a tumble. He just lay there while they checked him out, and fortunately he just had some good bruising. Things got called that day while they figured out what needed to be changed on that one. That was a scary moment.

Bennett: My heart stopped. He didn't really fall that far, like four feet. But it shook him up a little bit. He walked off the stage, got in his car – which he always parked next to the stage in the arena – and took off. That was the end of rehearsals for the day. The carpenters changed the lyrics to "this is the sound when tubs fly."

Melvoin: If Prince was doing any kind of bad behavior – if he was mean or just straight-up wrong about something he said he was straight-up right about – he always said something bad would happen to him. The way I remember that moment is that he had gotten into a fight with his manager. Prince was in a super-cranky mood and he was practicing his move with the bathtub and the bathtub fell. He was so freaked by it that he was super nice and kind (laughs). Very humble.


Fink: The soundchecks were always three hours long. I would have a boom box on stage – everybody usually did – and we'd record those soundchecks because afterwards you'd want to listen to it in the dressing room to refresh your memory as to what we just learned, because it had to be played that night. That's the way I could get through it and remember it.

Melvoin: Our soundchecks would start at like 2 in the afternoon and we'd play until 5. Each person would have to keep running out to get hair and makeup done. We wouldn't leave to go back to the hotel after soundcheck. We had to stay there. The show would go on at 8.

Brown: Before the show, we'd all huddle up and pray. He'd point to you or tell you to lead if you had a bad day or a good day. He would speak when he had something to say. It was a meaningful ritual. You felt like you needed protection. The crowds were so loud and it was so crazy that we needed each other because that was the only thing you had – each other for support.

Fink: It was non-denominational. If someone was sick at home you'd talk about that. You just said whatever you had to say. It was a critical moment, especially when he spoke. He really said a lot of profound wisdom during those circles. He would reveal a little bit more of himself in those moments.

Melvoin: I used to think of it more as like tandem sky divers. We'd form that circle and say, "Just get us through this and make it run smoothly for him." It became superstitious and it bothered me to some degree. But I appreciated the tradition, and I think everybody relied on it.

Coleman: Sometimes he would say weird things like, "This might be the last time we play," or "I might break up the band," or give us strange motivations like that just to go out onstage and kill it.


II. The Tour Begins


Coleman: When we got to Detroit (for the first show), suddenly we had bodyguards. "What? Bodyguards?!" Wendy and I had one and so did the guys. I remember getting to the hotel and guys carrying our bags, and the whole feeling was like, "Uh-oh. This is different."

Fink: I think there were 105 people out there with us. Twelve buses. It was a massive undertaking. I knew, "Wow, we're in the real big time now."

Melvoin: In 1984, '85, that was the beginning of massive stadium shows. Def Leppard would always be two venues ahead of us, and Bruce Springsteen was doing Born in the U.S.A at the same time. We were all following each other in these huge caravans.

Coleman: (The first show in Detroit) was one of the loudest things I've ever heard. It's like when sports teams come out onto the field. We were hitting the stage and it's as if we were coming out from the locker room, you know? People were screaming and hanging over the rails and reaching for us. They knew our names, more than ever because of the film. We all kind glanced at each other like, "Holy shit!"

Bennett: The hair stood up on my arms. It still does thinking about it. It was just insane because none of us had experienced anything like that before. Suddenly we were elevated to a much higher level than we ever anticipated and it was a bit overwhelming. You had to really fight hard to concentrate on what you were supposed to do during the show, because you couldn't believe what was going on.

Melvoin: When they turned the lights off and you'd stand by the side of the stage and hear, "Ladies and gentlemen …," it was deafening. To this day, I have never heard anything like that. It was so loud that my ears became distorted at one point.

Brown: It was hard to hear yourself onstage. The audience would settle down after the first couple songs, but still ... I had a huge bass rig. And even with all of that equipment, I would only hear it if I walked back by the bass amp. You'd feel the beat, but there were moments where you could get lost.

Fink: The loudest white noise possible.

Bennett: There were times where I couldn't hear myself talking to the spotlight operators and they were having a hard time hearing me. It was crazy.

Bobby Z: Then Prince would rile them back up. He'd shake his ass or do a costume change or something, and people would go nuts again.

Coleman: The fun part was watching him, because a lot of things didn't happen unless he gave us visual cues. It was like a game watching him run around the stage, and he would do a slight move of his hand, which would cue a riff or something. You'd have to watch pretty darn closely. Every once in a while, to cue the end of a song, he'd throw a hankie into the air, and when the hankie hit the ground, that's when we would stop. So you had to be able to see the ground, and if you're backed up on a riser behind keyboards and cymbals, sometimes it was hard to see, like, "Oh no! The hankie disappeared!"

Bennett: He would do hand signals for certain musical turnarounds, so you would have to watch for all that. He liked to mess around. Every once in a while, he would just do the signal in front of his chest, so the band could see it and I couldn't. He would just do it to be funny.

Coleman: He'd say "Body Heat." Bobby would hit the snare drum once and then we'd have to go to "Body Heat." Then he'd stop that by saying, "'Rumble' in E." So we had all these different things, little modular funky things that we could put together that he could call out like we were his jukebox or drum machine that he could play. It was like a live computer.

"It was literally the Olympics. We were like synchronized swimmers." –Wendy Melvoin


Bobby Z: The crowd could feel it was tight and spontaneous, but it also had some train wrecks. Ninety-nine percent of the time it was a miracle.

Melvoin: I had boots on, tons of jewelry, and my instrument and I had to sing and do choreography. It was literally the Olympics. We were like synchronized swimmers. If someone screwed up that thing, there's not even a bronze medal. You're just off the team. This was high stakes.

Bobby Z.: At our Syracuse show, he called out "sway from side to side," and the entire Revolution moved like a piston in an engine back and forth.

Coleman: We were wearing all these big ... what do you call it? These regal New Romantics clothes? It was hot. I'd go up onstage wearing a cape on top of a dress, and I would just take off stuff during the show. Shed as much as I could. It was hot onstage with all those ruffles.

Melvoin: One of the things that Prince would tell us before going on tour, especially at the beginning of Purple Rain, was, "If you feel yourself rushing and playing too fast, cut your body's heart rhythm in half and move your body in half-time, and you will play behind the beat." We were religious about it.

Coleman: Prince wanted always be as good as the film. He didn't want anyone ever to go, "Oh, that's the band from the movie? Eww, they're not as good." That was one of his worst fears.

Brown: We used to get fined if we made mistakes, and I got to a point where I would stop playing bass notes in certain types of segues and start this rumbling on the bass. Prince loved that crap. And it saved me from a lot of fines.

Coleman: If you missed a cue or played an extra horn punch or something, that was $500. He would withhold your money. It never happened to me. I'm lucky. Actually, I'm good at faking it. He never knew when I made a mistake.

Melvoin: He threatened to take your paycheck away, and a couple times he tried, but we all laughed at him and said, "No, that's not going to happen." It was this warning, this threat, and he was really happy to go ahead and make the threat because it would make you get your shit together if you had made a mistake.

"If you missed a cue or played an extra horn punch or something, that was $500. He would withhold your money." –Lisa Coleman
III. The Intensity

Coleman: When we were at the Superdome in New Orleans, it was, what, 90,000 people? We knew it was big because it sounded big, and then Prince said, "LeRoy, turn on the house lights!" And we turn on the house lights and it was scary. Prince was like, "Noooo! Turn them off, turn them off!" It was too much. It was an ocean of people.

Melvoin: I loved when we turned the lights on during "Take Me with You" and we could actually see the audience. We would turn on the stadium lights full blast – fluorescent, horrible lighting – and we could see everybody in the audience and we all became one and sang "Take Me With You." You see every seat filled. You look to your left and you see everybody. You look to your right. It was incredible, and they all sang it. It was really beautiful.

Bennett: It must have been scary to them because they had no idea there were that many people. I'm sure the first time they saw that, they shit themselves (laughs).

Brown: We were literally the hardest-working band in show business. I would feel sorry when he would invite people to play with us onstage, because they didn't understand that type of dedication. When people would sit in with us, they didn't even know what to do. I don't care how seasoned a musician they were.

Bobby Z: Everybody came in the band's room, like Springsteen and Madonna (during a multi-show run at the Forum in Los Angeles in February 1985). We had an open-door policy and got to meet a lot of fun people. Onstage, they always thought it was exciting. But onstage with Prince it was always a game.

Coleman: It became a take-no-prisoners situation, like, "Yeah, let's just go out there and conquer the world." And all the people that were supposed to be the competition were just like saying, "Wow!" to Prince. And again, he wanted to soak that up. He wanted to experience it firsthand, so that was a good way to do it.


Melvoin: Unfortunately he would kind of screw with people, especially big famous artists who would come up. If he sensed they were a little bit lost, he'd try and expose that: grab a guitar and do a blistering solo in their face. There was a certain amount of, like, straight-up competitive humiliation. But he thrived on that, like, "I know I'm great."

Coleman: With Bruce, I remember Prince being a bit of an imp and trying to throw him off. He was giving us his secret hand signals while Bruce was trying to play a guitar solo. There was a little cat and mouse going on. I never knew if Bruce knew Prince was doing that because there was a bit of giggling, but we knew and were like, "No, don't do that, it's so mean!"

Fink: Prince was reveling in it. It was his goal to tower over everybody in a lot of ways. He loved it. With Madonna, they were flirting and playing.

Coleman: I have to admit I'm such a dork. I didn't know who Madonna was. This girl came onto the stage and I was like, "Who's that?" I thought he just pulled some girl up on the stage. I didn't know what was going on until I was in the bathroom after the show.

Melvoin: Madonna came backstage and was in our dressing room, mine and Lisa's, and wanted to use the bathroom. It was this true girl moment. We were each in our stalls peeing at the same time and she goes, "You guys are such badasses!" That was my first introduction to Madonna.

Coleman: We always had jams (during the encores). "Baby I'm a Star" was notorious. "Purple Rain" could be 30 minutes long. We could stretch things out.

Bennett: We used to do a running bet with the crew on how long "Purple Rain" was going to be. Every night. I'm not a betting man, so I never got involved, but in the production office, there was a board where people would place their bets on the time. It was usually extended between 20 to 25 minutes. You could win a couple hundred bucks.

Coleman: During that time, Prince was very positive and didn't want to miss what it meant to the world. He would read every magazine, whatever press. He wanted to see it all, good or bad. And then he wanted to affect it in a positive way, and he started doing more philanthropic things. We started playing at schools or doing food drives.

"We used to do a running bet with the crew on how long 'Purple Rain' was going to be." –LeRoy Bennett


Melvoin: On that tour we'd be onstage for hours and then of course we'd end up doing another show afterwards or we'd do a show during the day somewhere else. It was full on every night until the last show. I remember we went to Gallaudet, the school for the deaf (in Washington, D.C.) and did the entire show in their auditorium, and it was incredible. There were huge monitors on the floor in the audience so the kids could feel the bottom end. I remember at least 25 signers in the audience who were watching us and signing all the words to every song. The kids loved it. And then they broke it down and we went to the stadium and played another show that night.

Fink: By the end of it, we were changing some arrangements. Prince still put us through mental gymnastics every day. He'd make a new transition between certain songs and you had to remember it. It was like a game to him. But Prince cut the tour short. Around the World in a Day was on his mind and backstage we were already looking at album covers for that.

Brown: During soundchecks, we recorded "4 the Tears in Your Eyes." "The Ladder." All kinds of stuff.


IV. The Aftermath


Coleman: By the end of the tour, he was done with (Purple Rain). He just burned fast and hard. If you look at the concert footage, he was killing his body. It was really, really hard work and to do it for six months was plenty for him. He was starting to get excited about other things. He was ready to move on.

Bennett: Prior to that tour, we were all very close, but then it started to separate out so that he was very isolated from us towards the end of the tour. I think he anticipated the fame to a certain level, but not what that was. It sounds good in theory until it actually happens. I can't say it frightened him, but it definitely threw him off. He was just withdrawing. I used to spend a ton of time with him back in Minneapolis over at his house and doing things with him like going to movies. That all started to go away and disappear at a certain degree during that tour. It eventually got to the point where it was us and him. And it started to suck.

Coleman: At first it was just one bus for the whole band. Then the boys had a bus, and Wendy and I had a bus. And Prince had his own bus.

Melvoin: From Purple Rain through Sign 'O' the Times were his strongest mental and physical times. He wasn't beaten down by any of it. It gave him incredible strength. There was a certain sort of naïveté about him during that time where he wasn't second-guessing himself. He handled it really beautifully and wasn't a frivolous little boy at all. He knew what his responsibility was, and he felt great about it. I don't know how strong that feeling was for him in his later years. He handled it great at the time, but I'm sure that ultimately what it did to him is whittle away at a certain kind of deep self-esteem about himself. How could anybody reconcile that kind of power and success without it screwing with you deeply?

Coleman (on Prince not participating in "We Are the World" near the end of the tour): It was the night of the Grammys – we'd done so well and everything was so positive. He just messed up big. I didn't get why he wouldn't be involved in that. I can't really speak to that, honestly, because I didn't really understand his thinking on it then. I think he just saw a whole bunch of pop stars getting together to "do good," and I think he thought that was kind of bullshit, in a way.

But if you weren't going to go there, then just don't be seen. He was out (that night) and his bodyguard punched somebody or something. When the bad press came out it was like, "Don't talk about it. … Nobody mention that." So ridiculous! I thought it was most unfortunate. It was totally the opposite of what he preached.

Bennett: That whole period was so magical. You could just feel the energy of his stardom just skyrocketing. He could've continued to write major hits like all the songs on Purple Rain. I think it just became too easy. It wasn't pushing him and challenging himself, because he constantly challenged himself. He did that with all of us, too. He pushed me to be more than I thought I could be. He would see who you are, what he saw you could do, and most of the time beyond what you believed you could do. And he would just push you there.

Brown: The confidence level that Prince created in all of us – you did anything. You did whatever to win the game.

Melvoin: It was thrilling. It was this roller-coaster feeling: "Woo, God, it's scary, but I love it!" It felt like the world had opened up and we were going ahead and being allowed to make our dreams come true on that tour.

  

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Questlove's Album-By-Album Guide To Prince's Warner Bros. Catalog

POSTED BY QUESTLOVE 1 MIN AGO

This is the second year since Prince Rogers Nelson has left us, so we throwback to when we asked Questlove to put together an album-by-album guide to his Warner Bros. catalog.

Since Prince‘s passing, delving into Prince’s vast recorded catalogue has become something of a national, if not global, pastime, as record nerds rank their favorites and offer discographical wisdom and guidance to those seeking more purple in their day, every day. Or as longtime Okayplayer member Jose3030 puts it:

“Sometimes in life, to learn something properly, we need the right person guiding us. Flash back to September 2015— I made a post on Facebook asking my friends the following: ‘If one were to listen to Prince’s entire discography, which method would you use? Oldest to newest or newest to oldest albums?’

I was serious. I was expecting snark and all things that come with posting such a thing on the internet. However, Ahmir “Questlove” Thompson came through and absolutely blessed my post. I was able to listen to Prince’s albums, learn about who was on which songs and with Ahmir’s amazing post, I was able to absolutely absorb the music and was forever changed into a Prince fan. Thanks for the guidance, Ahmir.”

What follows underneath is Questlove‘s complete, album-by-album guide to Prince’s Warner Brothers catalog, ranked and with ratings on a scale of 1-6 @s—updated, amended and expanded exclusively for this Okayplayer #PrinceDayfeature. For Prince fanatics, an invaluable, personalized set of liner notes/DVD extras from Prince’s most studious disciple.

For beginners, seeking a way into the winding purple labyrinth of Prince’s ouevre — this is the doorway you seek. As a wise woman once said, “Closed moths don’t get fed.” Sometimes to receive the keys to the kingdom, all you have to do is ask the right person.

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next 2 religion & politics, sharing your opinions on Prince is some risk yo’ rep ish.

in my FB network my boy Jose wanted a Prince expert to “break it down” to him.

it was like 3 something in the morning and i was bored. so i broke it down.

i gave him the Prince snob rating of Prince albums.

first of all Prince is a cult audience. meaning his audience comes to him not the other way around.

but there are different levels:

@-i saw purple rain. like the album
@@- kiss, little red corvette, controversy, delirious, when doves cry, 1999, let’s go crazy, alphabet street IQs (knows the hits)
@@@- will still attend concerts might own the black album and a bootleg
@@@@- “hey ahmir i have The Work does that count”
@@@@@-psycho level of knowledge, will risk oversleeping to see him perform til 7am the next morning.
@@@@@@- level of access (music, former associates, seen the vaults) so skrong even humble bragging will seem illegal.

so before all feathers get ruffled, this was a copy/paste job from a Facebook post done some time ago when i decided to properly guide a newbie into Paisleyville.
all opinions are my own. and are subjective. many will disagree but hey… that’s pop life.
i decided to stick to the Warner catalog starting with for you, ending with chaos and disorder (well actually i added the truth cause i love it so much)


ratings:


@- I’LL INTRODUCE YOU TO A HEADACHE IF YOU DONT GET OUT MY FACE
@@-OH LAWD (SMH)…..
@@@-“COOL…..”
@@@@-YEEEEASSSSSE!!!!!!!!!
@@@@@-AUUUUUUUUWAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




For You


Its a start. got some attention. stevie was red hot, and warners wanted their own stevie. the title cut opener is a hell of a trojan horse entry into this world. i came aboard in 84 determined to complete my “all things Prince” collection against my parent’s will. For You was the one album i could play w/o red light sirens going off. didn’t mind “In Love” as much. “Soft And Wet” got enough airplay to justify investing in his ideas. whenever i reminisce about lazy saturdays in the 70s at my grandmother’s house the musical backdrop is always the opening 8 bars of “my love is forever”—even though this album wasn’t in my childhood at the time of its release, somehow this is what i think about when i think about those days when my parents were on the road. sunny. isolated. pancakes. dust. plastic couch covers. memories. steady start.

when it came out? @@@1/2


how does it rank 38 years later? @@@1/2

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Prince


He spent 500k tryna convince warner to not force verdine white of Earth, Wind & Fire to produce him and all he got was a top 20 soul hit (“soft and wet”). he had to write a number one song or that was his ass. enter “i wanna be your lover” of the “early period” this is the better album of the two. when it came out? @@@1/2 (i mean in 1979 music was making miracles everyday! so albums like this were common. now had this came out in 2015 in this condition idda slapped @@@@@ on it just for going against the grain for what is called music now. how does it rank 37 years later? @@@@ (first three cuts kilt and still kill dance floors to this day: “With You” proves that he can craft a great ballad. “Bambi” was a display of guitar mastery. “I Feel For You” turned out to be a massive pop hit. and Kanye’s Big Brother with the “Gonna be Lonely” sample (or at least the first draft b4 Prince ixnayed it) ups the value in my head. this shoulda been a contender. and did bigger numbers when it first came out.

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Dirty Mind

Its like you play roulette with your check and you win! so you go home right? nope. you take all you won and bet on black. or in his case you bet on rock. very telling that both Prince and MJ scoffed at the idea of settling for scraps off the table. they wanted not only the table but the house that said table was in. MJ broke records with Off The Wall but only got Soul nods at the grammys. Prince was on his third album but only had 1 number one single and he was stuck on the rick james circuit. so his answer? “eff all dat. Dirty Mind didn’t do the numbers BUT it got the Pitchfork of its time (Rolling Stone) to write a jaw dropping never done before lead review (someday our prince will come: @@@@1/2)–this review alerted the village voices of world that there was a new jello sheriff in town. this is prince at his most focused: 8 songs. each with perfect melody. perfect musical execution. the idea of “the Minneapolis sound” starts here: crack snares tuned real low to a deep THUD. the horn section now lives in an oberhiem synth. his bass playing is bar none the BEST funk bass playing in the 80s. add his clever wordplay and pushing the envelope (this was the original 2 Live Crew As Nasty As They Wanna Be) no hits here. but BRILLIANT songwriting. when it came out?: @@@@1/2 (NOTHING like it.) how does it rank some 35 years later? @@@@1/2 (prince-cologists will gasp at me not giving it 5 stars, but its still not focused in the way that 99/Rain was. this album simply was putting all people on notice you have about 3 years to clear way cause after that? NOONE is gonna be the same.

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Controversy


Similar to his sophomore album Warners was like “you can push the envelope all you want, but at these prices, you better do numbers too!” so this is a cleaner political Dirty Mind with hits. weird tho: Dirty Mind is more meaningful, but all the songs i LOVE are on this album. he uses this record to explore his personality. who am i? what am i? am i who they say i is? title cut is another bed notch post as is “let’s work”. but the crown jewel here is the “too weird for a 10 year old to be hearing” ‘Do Me Baby”—ill go on record and say this is his finest vocal performance committed to tape in his entire career. he was the anti-Pendergrass (COME HERE WOMAN!!!!! TURN EM OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)—sang whole song in a high falsetto, which gives a sense of being vulnerable, but with an intense urgency not seen since….well….since? (only james brown could scream that uncontrollably and it be seen as normal….he screamed on his incest/statutory rape diatribe “Sister” but that hardly held a candle to this. when it came out: @@@@ how does it rank some 34 years later? @@@@ (the cold war/ronald reagan specific lyrics is what dates the shit out of it but not to the point that you dont see where this train is going)

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1999

Bold move on his part. releasing a double album and not yet a “worthy” multi platinum artist was a risk. but he had a vision and stuck to it: part one (5 songs) proved he could write catchy pop hits (first 4 were hits) side two was him at his most experimental. enter him mastering (like no other musician) the drum machine and wisely programing it in his guitar pedals. thus making synthetic music sound so damn human. the songwriting was at his most perfect and focused and creative. his musicianship and mixing were off the chain. you hear this now and it sounds normal, but i assure you. when they premiered the title cut on radio were heard NOTHING LIKE IT EVER. no claps were ever that LOUD. no drum and kick were ever that punchy and deep. not since “Superstition” has the idea of all keyboards as music been so amazing sounding. jaw was dropped on “Something In The Water” (can he do that?) all 9 mins of “Automatic” was (can he do that?!?!?!??!) “Lady Cab Driver”? forget it. when it came out @@@@ (critics—the ones he poked fun at on this very album—- were noticing progress, only RS knew this was about to be a fun ride and gave this album of the year nods. but it had to prove itself in order to now be seen as classic. how does it rank some 33 years later? @@@@@ (this is the standard for all Prince performances. and for the most part he delivered on the promise: he used instruments never heard before in a unique manner and suddenly became the leader and standard. kinda replacing the post disco boogie sound pioneered by Leroy Burgess, Leon Sylvers and Kashif. this will allow him to bring in the motherload.

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Purple Rain

Prince’s management contract was about to be up and he said “get me a movie deal or you fired” MJ rode MTV to glory with the visual of Thriller’s videos. Prince was gonna use movies to have the same effect. you’ll notice a pattern for every other album: album “a”) experiment and push the envelope to no end album “b”) takes and trim the fat off “album a” and presents a more focused vision. prince took notes on the 1999 tour. and applied them. studied “ballad stadium rock” pop music and all stops in between. made a “clean” 9 song masterpiece. so massive is this album i always overlook it. like Thriller, PR is a way of life, not just a record. this changed our view on life. prince had exotic honeys? we wanted exotic honeys. prince dressed a certain way? we (for the most part in 84) followed suit (even the RUN DMC looking cats respected princes steeze. strange the author of “lets pretend we’re married” cleaned his act up but caught the ire of tipper gore (she gave album to her daughter for bday, heard “darling nikki” and had a fit) Prince’s least sexually offensive album winds up being the album that gave birth to the PMRC and stickering. when it came out:@@@@@ how does it hold up some 31 years later? @@@@@. no fat. all lean hits.

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Around The World In A Day

Ok. i know reviews are subjective but i think I’m right when i say the only place to go after you sell 16 million units is…..”that a way”, prince’s muses’ wendy and lisa (see “computer blue” on PR) hipped him to the Beatles. and he presented a “see i can do that too” kinda head scratcher. as a die hard i was along for the ride but many got off of the trip with this album. when it came out: @@@1/2 (many head scratched, thought he was going hippie—hello De La) how does it hold up 30 years later? @@@@1/2 some say he turnt his back on the funk. i say he turned his front on his mind. a potpourri of sound and experiments. this caused concern but really? had he closed the album on anything BUT “Temptation” idda been with giving him a @@@@@. 82-87 was his most prolific in terms of songwriting and volume and Quality. over 300 songs made during this period. and 60 percent of em were life changing. “Condition Of The Heart” is as devastating now as it was 30 years ago. also worth fishing for are the B-sides from this era…some of my favorites “she’s always in my hair,” “hello” & his trippy “Girl”.

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Parade

I assure you that had this NOT been lumped with a stinker of a movie THIS would be seen as his masterpiece to beat (for the record, i loved that stinker of a movie). but for a 3 month period, this album was the shiznit on its own terms. if last year’s #ATWIAD was a Beatles nod, then Parade is his “Sketches Of Spain” with funk as the outline. 1977’s “Ask Rufus” was Chaka Khan’s finest 37 mins on earth. and the star of it was Claire Fisher, a jazz orchestral conductor who literally upped Prince’s IQ musically by doing the same for this album. jazzy, dark and funky. when it came out: @@@@ how does it hold up some 29 years after its release? @@@@@ Simply a brilliant collection of great music. its my opinion Jam & Lewis’ revenge act “Control” (for P’s playful nemesis’ kid sis) held so much in yo face funk it literally rendered this lp as ordinary at the time of its release (backstory: prince fired Jam & Lewis from The Time for moonlighting and “giving the secrets away” —which was simply untrue cause SOS Band sounded nothing like The Time. said “we won’t hear from those guys again” lol…..that much needed comedy shoulda been in the movie.

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Sign ‘O’ The Times

I dont like headliners. i dont even like headlining. i see headlining the way i see opening—a trap— now that i know what i know (this will be the last album of his “capturing lightening in a bottle with effortless ease”) i see Sign different. like….a Swan song. i dont like goodbyes. id rather *vanish* than make it a final goodbye. even the blurry album cover gives me Back To The Future polaroid spooky fading like…..goodbye…….ahmir……………you. ……will……..never………..see……this……. brilliance………again…………..(legally tho–bootlegs are another lesson)–enough about me tho: Sign is brilliant because its a catalog album. he took the best material of the past 5 years of creation and perfectly placed them. he had higher ambitions tho: first draft was Crystal Ball: a 3-record set, sounding more like Parade on steroids. then he got talked down off the ledge and made a 2-record set Dream Factory—but then the Revolution broke up (his last show with them in japan had him destroying guitar on “Purple Rain” Pete Townsend style to everyones shock and NOT to everyone’s shock—-but everyone i asked about that night already knew…..this was over. So now an album cut buried on side 5 of Crystal is now the title cut of the 3rd (and accepted by Warner Bros.) incarnation of this project. i mean its not a “Prince” album but its a “Prince” album. Ambiguity was his middle name so he blurred lined everything: funk was in his rock, poetry was in his funk, sanging was in his jazz, nastiness was in his spirituality, god was in his sex: he wore us down for 7 years so of course it makes sense that a 5″1 “whatever he was” was our spirit animal. the only thing i miss about vinyl are the sides.
side one: perfect suite. side two: perfect suite —and so on. in the streaming age that flow aint there. its also the timing: black radio was still independent before clear channel, so cats like tony brown at WDAS could play album cuts and your world would STOP. and the most important thing to realize with Prince is that he made these PATCHES (the sounds coming from keyboard and drums) his OWN. i have the same drum machines and stuff and its not the same when i program. Thriller and Bad are examples of what Prince’s equipment sounded like without him sweetening the mix —they served MJ well—-and everyone else—but because of the painstaking scrutiny and process—small stuff Tamborines as high hats tuned high. Rim Shots as bongos tuned low. processing his synths through his guitar effects. its the small stuff that tell you “this is a Prince song” (actually prince was once quoted in saying his mixes were rush jobs and horrible….HA! funny guy) maybe because in ’87 he was up to 400 songs in the can.
perhaps he was tired. in fans mind he only made 9 records. in his mind he made 39 records—so to giving up those patches was the first move in many that will bring down the empire. rating then: @@@@@ this was the “he could shit on a record and it would be perfect” phase. how does it hold up now some 28 years later? @@@@@. but a sad @@@@@…..

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Lovesexy

Is this the last great Prince album? No. is this the first great “Downfall Of Genius” album? No. i know I’m being unfair here but as an artist Prince’s “whatever” moments were better than the status quo of his glory period “81-87”. so in some weird algebra equation: Lovesexy was a great album comparing it to what else came out in 88 (i think the only non hip-hop album i dug in ’88 was Sade‘s Stronger Than Pride—but again you gotta understand 1988 was THE most magical miracle of a year in post modern black music. what 67-68 was for Rock and Soul was now starting for Hip Hop and New Jack Swing. easily 13 @@@@@ worthy hip hop classics came out this year. so its like to even pull my attention away from Nation Of Millions and Follow The Leader and Straight Outta Compton…..pssssh man you better COME WIT IT.—i mean on the real i woulda took consistent. not like i needed to be sold on Prince. but if there ever was a year that the tides were gonna change? 1988 was that year. 88 shook black music at its core: to still survive the avalanche or ship wreck you better have released an impactful album that year OR ELSE.

although no “thriller” Mj’s “Bad” gave him steam to roll on in 88 although the release was last day in august of 87. George Michael was Sam Smithing black music in ways none of us coulda believed (Faith was number one black album 6 weeks in a row) Teddy Riley decided the curated Ultimate Beats & Breaks series was good enough to sing over as well as rap over and how does Prince answer? shoot himself in the foot: 1) shoot album cover completely in the nude, making it hard to stock in retail (check) 2) making entire CD one track, thus forcing you to listen as album as a whole statement—-this had no “What’s Goin’ On” flow to it so that move was annoying. his lead single was amazing tho (Alphabet St.) so hopes were high, but that video was horrible. and as the dude to be neck in neck with MJ for the title, he couldn’t afford silly mistakes like that. add there wasn’t a strong enough 2nd or 3rd single for radio this really just made Lovesexy…..”so so”.

at the time i didn’t panic cause i couldn’t fathom a day that Prince would squander his gifts. i just thought “oh well….maybe the next album would be incredible.—-i was wrong. there are some gems on this record: “Anna Stesia” and “Dance On” —“Eye No!” aint bad. and title cut is “aight” i like the extended version of “I Wish U Heaven”—and mostly the second half—-actually the “Scarlett Pussy” bside was better than the album for which it was promoting.—alas….i guess i wasn’t so ready for him to be so……”ordinary”?—by his standards of course.

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Batman

(Then) @@@1/2 (now) @@@ “The Future” was a great start off but teetered off, RS said “its so sugary it should be off limits to diabetics”. i held out hope. “Scandalous” was still classic bedroom ballad P.

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Graffiti Bridge

(then) @@@@1/2 rolling stone really tried to sell us on the “best album since sign of the times” and said in the first 4 songs he covers more territory than most artist do in a career (now) @@@1/2 I’m being nice but its telling that he went DEEP in the vaults to grab highlights. weird how as a bootleg “Joy In Repetition” changed my life….but as an album cut here it’s just….squandered? regardless this ordinary rating is for the fact that the highlights were high. and lowlights were—-normal. i saw where this train was headed and i didn’t like it one bit. next stop: “just as normal as youseville”)
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Diamonds And Pearls

(Then) @@@1/2, now @@@1/2 —this album and PE’s Apocalypse ’91 came out the same day and for the life of me i was trying to figure out why i was so damn underwhelmed by both albums. literally the 2 acts that defined my musical growth and i felt empty about it. at least with the last two there were traces of his trademarks. here they were all gone. new patches. new sounds. sampling. it was too clean. i mean his writing showed signs of brilliance still (cream, money) but man….all i could see was him tryna get that hammer money.

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Love Symbol Album

(Then) @@@1/2 now @@@1/2 this is where i realized he was stuck in a rut and was gonna stay there. flashes of brilliance and then heaps of head scratching. this is when i started making my custom mixes: example: on “3 Chains Of Gold” i faded the song out right when the best part (the slow middle) was gonna go into this “see i can do “Bohemian Rhapsody” too Mike Myers! lemme get some “Wayne’s World” loot too!” mode. once i conditioned myself to accept that this was his sound, i forced myself to like “Sexy MF”—and i like it on its own terms. i liked “Damn U” and “Sweet Baby” again the songwriting was cool. its just the production was too glossy and so ordinary sounding. i liked dirty demo sounding Prince.

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The Hits/B-Sides

Then @@@@/ now @@@1/2 they dropped the ball in digitizing his awesome Bsides, but worth purchase alone for “Power Fantastic” and the alt “Hello”. mad they didn’t include the extended versions of the 12 inches. (brag time: I have the extended version of “Irresistible Bitch” it shoulda found a home here.
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Come

then @@@1/2 now @@@ not mad at the upcoming throwaways. which is now telling me maybe prince is at his best when he is not so calculating and is just in work mode: by no means was this a masterpiece or holding a candle to the classic era. but “Dark” was classic. “Pheromone” got a pass for BET’s Madelyne Woods was using it as a theme to her tv show (you know the show where she had the goods) and i liked it as a 20 second sound bite. “Solo” made many a Prince mixtape. because it was less “NPGy” i gave it points (oh! Pharcyde‘s J Swift did a DOPE Dorothy Parker remix to “Letitgo”)—this is where i realized party over oops.
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The Black Album

Technically this got a ’94 contractual release, but even when he destroyed all copies there were bootlegs in our walkman by early ’88. i actually like the cassette hiss version than the “oh this is what it sounds like” version—this is Prince at his most —-abandonment? threw song songs together to press up and play at a party. when you think of it, that’s kinda cool. like “imma create some songs I wanna dance to at my babe’s bday party (Sheila E.). legend is the album was ready to go in a week to stores and on a RARE ecstasy trip regret (thanks Ing Obama) he felt guilty for the first time about the effects of being a rude boy.—-he calls WB prez Mo Ostin and demands they destroy album entirely. Mo says “too late”. Prince throws a fit. Mo complies. it was a bitter defensive album: black fans felt slighted since he became a rock star and were giving him the “are you still down?!?!?!” treatment.
he was like “bitch i made “Adore” for black radio!!!!!!!” but to no avail, the new danger in black music was hip-hop and prince didn’t get it: i play my ass off, write my ass off, I’m more talented, why would you settle for less? answer: Run-DMC looked like your next door neighbors (the same way Nirvana pulled the plug on glam rock) America too wanted the relatable spotlight—not just to worship others—hence reality shows and their “you can be a star too” element. Prince’s one embarrassing moment during the glory period was “Dead On It” sounding like that old man in New Jack City trine ta tell the kids this is poison you listening to.
it’s a comic mess. the rest of the album was indeed great mindless just messing round funk. when it came out: @@@@@ (the folklore of it made it instant classic and people only heard snippets). when it came out in ’94: @@@1/2 under the bitter circumstances i just felt like he shoulda just let the folklore continue. it was ruined. how does it hold up some 27 years later? @@@@.
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The Gold Experience

Then @@@1/2, now @@@. again it was like 4 songs were cool, the rest were —well? ordinary?. the first single offered promise (“Most Beautiful Girl” released a year early was what the doctor ordered) and then no follow up. “I Hate U” had a spark. loved “dolphin’s” ending. “Billy Jack Bitch” is a song i had to digest like a Pete Rock jawn—just concentrate on the music hard enough to morph it as an instrumental in my head. “Billy” was as close to updating his old formula as he had gotten. like a DMSR for ’95. it was becoming harder for me to like his uptempo stuff in ’95 because it all sounded so “rappidy rap”—right now he could still knock em out the park if it was mid tempo or slow or drumless. (i liked “Shy” too)—Vibe‘s Alan Light kept hyping it up like “return to forum”—-hmmmm i dunno.
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Chaos And Disorder

Then @@@@ now @@@1/2. for some reason this album was endearing to me at its release. of his “giving 0 effs to WB” period i loved this album the most. by this point i had given up hope and just hoped for the best 3 to 4 jawns to add to my Prince mix comps. this was more rock than catch up w hip-hop or whatever the kids are into trends. i genuinely like “Dinner With Delores” & “I Will” & “Had U” on its own terms. maybe there were like 2 more i could add to the list. so now instead of “classic material” i was doing the “lesser of (blah blah) evils.
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The Truth

The Truth is the ONLY album in his post genius arsenal that i love like a genius period album then? @@@@ now? @@@@- this was a drum free album. so no risk of corny dated hip-hop programming and patches that made him sound like everyone else. i genuinely loved ALL the songs on the album. i wish he’d do more like this. raw and stripped down. ok I’m not ashamed: I’m going back on my feelings: @@@@1/2

  

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108. "That "Nothing Compares 2 U" that dropped today....Jesus..."
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Was at my desk with tears running and snot dripping..

and I didnt even make it to the second verse..

Damn I miss dude. Art Official is STILL jamming to me.

"Strange Way..." has become one of my all time favorite songs. I think I just convinced myself to do the tribute this year, lol..




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109. "The song + the rehearsal footage...man"
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Felt like one of those funeral iMovies, where your loved one is shown in his/her happiest moments, but the soundtrack keeps reminding you they’re gone 😿


Happy 50th D’Angelo: https://chrisp.bandcamp.com/track/d-50

  

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111. "RE: The song + the rehearsal footage...man"
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>Felt like one of those funeral iMovies, where your loved one
>is shown in his/her happiest moments, but the soundtrack keeps
>reminding you they’re gone 😿
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EXACTLY :'(

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110. "RE: That "Nothing Compares 2 U" that dropped today....Jesus..."
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youtube link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpGA0azFdCs

wow, thanks for the heads up!

  

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112. "Prince mixes 78 - 94"
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I tried to do just one mix for a bunch of different eras, but ended up going chronilogical. I'm up to 6 now. I thought I would share these on the anniversary.. I'm working on the Emancipation era mix now...

Enjoy!

Part 1: 78-82
https://bit.ly/2Hfi8EK or
https://www.mixcloud.com/DJCurtClay/epic-p-r-i-n-c-e-part-1-1978-1982/

Part 2: 83-84
https://bit.ly/2F4Hj6S or
https://www.mixcloud.com/DJCurtClay/epic-p-r-i-n-c-e-part-2-1983-1984/

Part 3: 85-86
https://bit.ly/2vuueUN or
https://www.mixcloud.com/DJCurtClay/epic-p-r-i-n-c-e-part-3-1985-1986/

Part 4: 87-88
https://bit.ly/2JdX7a3 or
https://www.mixcloud.com/DJCurtClay/epic-p-r-i-n-c-e-pt-4-87-88/

Part 5: 89-91
https://bit.ly/2HOcTIY or
https://www.mixcloud.com/DJCurtClay/epic-p-r-i-n-c-e-pt-5-89-91/

Part 6: 92-94
https://bit.ly/2qMcnnx or
https://www.mixcloud.com/DJCurtClay/epic-p-r-i-n-c-e-pt6-92-94/

  

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113. "Thanks!!!!"
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appreciated!!!

  

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114. "The Prince Estate’s Big Plans - RS Swipe"
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https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/prince-estate-big-plans-upcoming-purple-reign-698529/

MUSIC FEATURES


JULY 13, 2018 9:30AM ET

The Prince Estate’s Big Plans: Inside the Upcoming Purple Reign
The late singer’s estate is currently exploring licensing, future releases and even a hotel – all while trying to consider what Prince would have wanted

By DAVID BROWNE


One Monday in April 2016, Tyka Nelson received a call from her brother, Prince. Tyka worked for Prince in the last four or five years of his life, and he would routinely bounce ideas off her for projects he wanted to get off the ground. That day, he was in search of family information – “more information about Daddy’s side of the family,” Nelson says. “It was the beginnings of his book.”

Three days later, Prince was found dead, in an elevator at his Minnesota compound, from an opioid overdose, including what authorities called “exceedingly high” levels of the drug fentanyl. But the book will still see release. Spiegel & Grau is preparing to publish Prince’s posthumous memoir, possibly this fall. Prince reportedly finished 50 pages; those largely handwritten journals will be filled out with photos and memorabilia.

In the first two years after Prince’s death, little happened in the way of unreleased music, merchandise and other projects. A Carver County judge appointed a Minneapolis bank, Bremer Trust, to oversee and manage Prince’s estate while the confusing legalities – namely, who his official heirs are – were worked out. No will has been found, his estate owed millions in taxes to the government, and dozens of proclaimed heirs flooded the court with suspicious assertions of being Prince’s relatives or children. But thanks to several recent developments, the monetizing and marketing of Prince are now accelerating. Last year, Troy Carter, the former Lady Gaga manager who is currently Spotify’s global head of creator services, was named the estate’s latest entertainment adviser. In turn, Carter hired Michael Howe, a former Warner Bros. A&R executive who worked with Prince during his last few years, to start digging into Prince’s storied vault. In May, a Minnesota court ruled that Prince’s only heirs are his six siblings and half-siblings, giving them a bigger say in the estate’s assets.

Those moves, combined with deals set in place before the family officially took over, have paved the way for an upcoming deluge of Prince products. Starting in the fall, fans will finally be able to hear unreleased music, wear newly commissioned Prince clothing, buy tickets to see an orchestra playing Prince material, and hear Prince songs in movies and TV shows. There’s even preliminary talk of a Prince-themed hotel.

Last month, Sony Legacy announced it had obtained the rights to release the bulk of Prince’s back catalog, starting with the albums he released after he left Warner Bros. Records in the mid-Nineties, including Emancipation, Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic and Musicology. Beginning in 2021, Sony will also reissue the bulk of his Warner albums, from 1978’s Prince to 1992’s Love Symbol. “Non-album tracks” and “live recordings” are also part of the new arrangement.


“You’re trying to run around and secure everything and make sure it’s not going anywhere else,” Prince’s sister says, recalling the early cataloging of all his possessions after his death. “But it’s roll up your sleeves and dig in now.”

“The Guy You Want to Be Selling”

The first year after Prince’s death was markedly chaotic. Family lawyers came and went, as did two initial entertainment advisers, Charles Koppelman and L. Londell McMillan. Universal Music bought the rights to the music Prince started making in the mid-Nineties, after his tenure with Warner Bros., only to pull out of the deal when it was revealed the company wouldn’t be able to release any of that material until years later than it was told.

Meanwhile, expenses are piling up. Last year, Comerica Bank and Trust, a Dallas-based bank, took over from Bremer Trust, which had been appointed as a temporary special administrator. To date, the estate has paid Comerica at least $5.9 million in legal fees and expenses. Sharon, Norrine and John Nelson, three of Prince’s half-siblings, have been openly critical of the bank, accusing it of mismanagement and arguing in court that those legal fees will leave “little, if anything left to pass on to the heirs.” The other siblings—Tyka, Omar and Alfred—have different attorneys and have not raised those issues, and Tyka, Prince’s only full sibling, claims to be satisfied with the bank: “They’re doing the best they can. They’re keeping me in the loop. They’re a bank. They’re not an entertainment company.” Comerica will continue to oversee the estate for an undetermined period of time, after which the six siblings will take over.

During the first year after Prince’s death, a few preliminary projects were initiated. In the fall of 2016, Paisley Park was opened to the public as a museum, under the guidance of the same company that runs Graceland. Some who knew Prince raised their eyebrows at the idea (or about alcohol being served at the facility during Super Bowl parties there earlier this year, since the singer abstained from alcohol). But according to Tyka Nelson, Prince had such museum plans in mind before he died. “He would walk around and say, ‘I want this in this room, I want this in that room,’ ” she says. “I’d say, ‘What are you going to do with this outfit?’ And he’d say, ‘I want it in this room.’ He would have pictures leaning up against a wall, which the museum people have now put up on those walls. A lot of what you see is the vision of what he wanted.”

One of the first eye-opening indications of the commercial viability of Prince arrived last November, when Julien’s, a leading auction house, included Prince’s blue “Cloud” guitar in its annual rock memorabilia auction. The instrument, which Prince had donated to raise money for victims of the 1994 Northridge, California, earthquake, was expected to fetch $60,000 to $70,000; to everyone’s shock, an unnamed museum snapped it up for $700,000. “That was a wake-up call,” says Julien’s executive director Martin Nolan. “It was like, ‘Wow, Prince is hot right now – this is the guy you want to be selling.’ ”

Julien’s followed up with an all-Prince auction in May, featuring items donated by Mayte Garcia, Prince’s ex-wife, along with collectors and one unnamed family member. (Prince’s estate did not participate in the auction and didn’t receive money from its sales.) With a yellow guitar going for $225,000 and some of his clothing for as much as $108,000, the sale netted nearly $2 million, far more than auctions involving other recently deceased musicians; a previous Julien’s auction included a Whitney Houston jumpsuit that went for $25,000, and a James Brown sale after his death included items that, Nolan says, each sold for “hundreds of dollars.”

Among the projects also arriving this year are some that were in place before his family members took over. They include his book and “4U: A Symphonic Celebration of Prince,” a fall tour that will feature the Wolf Trap Orchestra playing orchestral versions of his songs, chosen and curated by Questlove. According to Tyka, the family didn’t initiate the project but approved it since “those are real musicians, and my brother liked real music.”

Another early deal, a line of new Prince merchandise overseen by Bravado, the Universal-owed merchandise company, is also kicking into gear this year. Prince merchandise – T-shirts, sweatshirts, license plates, mugs and collectible coins – can now be purchased at the official Minnesota Twins store at Target Field in Minneapolis. Each item sports the Twins logo and Prince’s “love” symbol – a minimal design at the request of his estate. A special “Prince Night” at the stadium this year featured a giveaway of inflatable purple guitars in his honor. Tyka says the estate is finalizing a deal with a “large retailer” that will sell Prince clothing and merchandise in the near future.
Searching for Gold in the Vault

The most prized possessions in Prince’s estate are, of course, his recordings. Last year, the contents of his vault – including released and unreleased studio recordings, video and concert footage, and other memorabilia, like handwritten notes and letters – were shipped to a storage facility in Los Angeles. (Initially, John, Norrine and Sharon Nelson objected, accusing Comerica of mishandling the tapes and moving them west without their permission – “Paisley Park is the best location for this material,” their then-lawyer wrote in court papers – but the court sided with Comerica.) There, it all currently resides on industrial shelving in a climate-controlled room; security guards accompany anyone who enters the room, even including Carter and Howe.

The vault material has all been transferred to digital, but it’s still in the midst of being listened to and cataloged. It’s no easy task: The material is stored in every format, from Seventies analog tapes to hard drives to cassette tapes. According to Howe, anywhere from 10 to 30 percent of all the music shipped to the vault was unlabeled or mislabeled. Howe estimates he has already found “hundreds,” and maybe as many as 1,000, completely unheard songs that could make for “many albums of material.” And that’s not counting many tapes of concerts, including some that document almost entire tours.

Howe says a small portion of the tapes also include “exceptionally funny stuff,” such as bantering between Prince and some of his early band members. “There’s a carefree and playful element to Prince that I think disappeared a bit after he became a bona-fide superstar,” Howe says. “It’s a glimpse into the more playful side of a guy who projected a pretty intense aura.”

As one of his first moves, Carter signed off on the release of a demo of “Nothing Compares 2 U” in April. Complete with vintage video clips showing a youthful Prince, the release was intended to lure younger music fans who may not be familiar with his music (or may not have realized he wrote that song, best known for its Sinéad O’Connor version). The clip has been viewed more than 5 million times on YouTube.

One box shipped from Paisley Park to the L.A. Iron Mountain storage facility included 8,000 cassettes. Howe had heard of a legendary tape circulated among collectors of Prince at home on his piano, playing solo versions of “Purple Rain” and “17 Days” along with a cover of Joni Mitchell’s “A Case of You.” Using a search engine and bar codes assigned to each item shipped to the vault, Howe did some detective work and was able to fish out a TDK cassette in that box of 8,000 that was almost completely unlabeled. “I popped it in and, wow, that’s the one we’ve been looking for,” Howe says. The existence of the nine-song, 35-minute tape was a surprise even to some who collaborated with Prince during that period. “What a find – it’s incredible,” says engineer Susan Rogers, who began working for Prince soon after the tape was made. “He’s playing for himself, and his performance is full-on. The vocals will raise the hair on the back of your head.” Howe brought the tape to the attention of Carter and Prince’s estate, who decided to make it the first official release from the vault.

Since Prince’s last tour, in 2016, was voice-and-piano performances (the “Piano and a Microphone” tour), Carter feels the 1983 recording will bring his music back full circle. “We basically told the heirs we have this idea that Prince’s final performance was ‘Piano and a Microphone,’ so what if we went back and showed people this is where it started?” says Carter. “The superfan knows he had that capability, but we thought it would be special to show a broader audience that he had that level of talent.” That tape, now dubbed Piano and a Microphone 1983, will be released September 21st.


“Everyone is going to hear this music,” says Tyka Nelson. “Even if it’s not up to par. Why else would he keep all this stuff? He wanted it out. If it was up to me, we’d see something every year for the next hundred or thousand years.”


Using the 1983 tape as a starting point, Tyka Nelson says the estate is hoping to unveil a new collection of unreleased music every year, in chronological order, although she says fans shouldn’t rule out hearing pre-1983 recordings at some point. (According to one source, Prince’s fabled August 1983 performance with the Revolution at Minneapolis’ First Avenue, some of which formed the basis of the Purple Rain album, is another possible candidate for release.) “He had so much, and he wanted his music to be heard,” Tyka says. “Everyone is going to hear this music. Even if it’s not up to maybe par. Why else would he keep all this stuff? He wanted it out. If it was up to me, we’d see something every year for the next hundred or thousand years.”

Next year should also see a collection of vault music released on Jay-Z’s Tidal service, although details of that collection remain vague (Tyka Nelson and Carter decline to comment). Tyka says her brother also spoke of opening a hotel with his name. “It was only an idea my brother had, and he spoke about it to his assistant some years ago,” she says. “In the future it is something I’d like to investigate.”

What Would Prince Think?

What would Prince want the public to hear and experience – and what would he have objected to? That question hangs over all the current plans for his assets. “I just hope to God they don’t turn his vault into a Burger King ad,” Revolution guitarist Wendy Melvoin told Rolling Stone last year. “You know what I mean? I just hope people don’t get too greedy.”

Tyka says that earlier rumored projects – from a hologram tour to a Cirque du Soleil-style production featuring Prince music to a Broadway musical – were just speculation. “We never said yes to any of that – they were just ideas,” she says. “No paperwork. Prince wanted to do a musical, but he didn’t like things like statues, and holograms were out of the picture.” She insists that despite reports a hologram was never in the works for Justin Timberlake’s Super Bowl halftime show last winter, but the estate did approve the use of Prince’s image behind Timberlake. “I did not think putting his image up there was bad,” she says. “I thought it was tastefully done. But people want to say stuff.”

These considerations are particularly complex with the music Prince left behind. “It was overwhelming in terms of making sense of it all,” says Carter. “You had multiple versions of songs. We had to figure out what was released, what was unreleased, what songs were finished. Are there songs Prince just wouldn’t want anyone to hear there because they weren’t quite there yet?”

Some of those decisions are easy. In Prince’s vault, some boxes were labeled “W” (for “weak,” which he would instruct Rogers to scrawl on a box if he was unhappy with the performance). Tracks he liked would be noted with stars. “What we do know is that if he never would have wanted something to see the light of day, he would have destroyed it,” says Rogers. To help the estate and Carter decide what Prince would have wanted, they also began reaching out to collaborators from different eras, who advise them on everything from recordings to color schemes.

According to Carter, Prince left behind notebooks with plans of certain projects before he died. One included his thoughts on an expanded edition of Purple Rain, and the deluxe edition released last year featured an entire disc of rarities, most of which he picked. As far as the other tracks, says Howe, “We just try to use our best judgment.”

Carter admits that Prince “really didn’t like licensing”; his songs were rarely if ever heard in commercials and soundtracks. But the estate is not ruling out allowing Prince’s music to be used in movies or TV series. Tyka Nelson says it’s possible you’ll see Prince songs in movies if the scenes are right. “Like a scene where people are having sex,” she says. “We get those types of requests. The money sounds really good, but would my brother approve of something like that? He may not want ‘Let’s Go Crazy’ in a sex scene. ‘Darling Nikki,’ that’s what you do! Or ‘Do Me, Baby’!”

Knowing that Prince advocated for civil rights, Carter and the estate approved the use of “Mary Don’t You Weep,” a 19th-century spiritual heard on Piano and a Microphone 1983, for Spike Lee’s new film, BlacKkKlansman. Rogers says the performance is “a little bit profane, but you can hear his blend of the sacred and profane right there, the push and pull of his psyche.” Carter was invited to an early screening of the film, which at the time had no musical score. During the final scene, which includes footage from last year’s Charlottesville horror, Carter called up “Mary Don’t You Weep” on his phone and played it for Lee on headphones during the screening. “It blew Spike away,” he says. “The song is bone-chilling, and it worked really well.”

But Carter also admits that making the most of Prince’s legacy amounts to an especially tricky balance for everyone overseeing the estate. “How do you preserve Prince’s legacy and protect his artistic integrity but at the same time be able to commercialize some of these things for the estate?” says Carter. “If we went by ‘we have to follow it to the T of exactly how Prince would do things,’ you can’t really do that and run an estate at the same time.”

  

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Prince is the only one who could have set up a different arrangement for his estate. Since Prince didn't........I can't have more emotional investment than Prince himself did about his estate.

  

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This article was originally published in the July 2009 issue of Spin, to commemorate the 25th anniversary of Purple Rain.

Dearly Beloved… We are gathered here today to get through this thing called life. And 25 years ago, life seemingly revolved around an elfin horndog with a rococo fashion sense, an alpine voice, and a purple motorcycle twice his size. Purple Rain is remembered for its music — the soundtrack album produced four Top 40 hits and is a beloved pop masterpiece — but the movie, released on July 27, 1984, remains the nerviest act of Prince’s quixotic career. As the Kid, a struggling Minneapolis rocker, he feuds with his alcoholic father, slaps his adoring girlfriend, and seethes with jealousy over his zoot-suited rival.

But Purple Rain wasn’t some widescreen ego trip; the spectacle of a famously image-conscious artist introducing himself to the mainstream as fragile and occasionally cruel could have killed his ascendant career. Prince rarely talks, especially not about Purple Rain, but in new interviews with his former collaborators, he is always front and center, inspiring devotion and disgruntlement. Purple Rain may not be an autobiography, but it may be as close as we’ll get to his true story.

Let’s go crazy.

Part I: Baby I’m a Star

On April 10, 1983, Prince played the final show of his Triple Threat tour — a five-month jaunt that saw him traveling the U.S. with his protégés, the Time and the risqué girl-group Vanity 6. Though the tour began in theaters, Prince steadily upgraded to arenas, thanks to such hits as “1999,” an upbeat, apocalyptic dance-off, and “Little Red Corvette,” a first-person locker-room brag that’s either about a two-seat sports car or a clitoris (or both). Those tracks would help his 1999 album eventually sell more than five million copies worldwide, while the accompanying videos introduced the world to Prince’s backing band, a multiracial, sexually cryptic collective known as the Revolution.

LISA COLEMAN (keyboardist, the Revolution, 1980-87) From the very early days, we were controversial. We were black and white, we were girls and boys, and we were traveling together. We’d go to truck stops in Bible Belt country, and people would look at us like they wanted to kill us. But we were like brothers and sisters. We loved each other.

BOBBY Z. (drummer, the Revolution, 1978-87) We were kind of a carnival troupe.

DEZ DICKERSON (guitarist, the Revolution, 1979-83) One of the things that made the chemistry of that band unique is we shared a certain ethos and certain values. All of us wanted to be the best. None of us were party animals. We knew how to have fun, but it wasn’t in a nihilistic, destructive way. Prince would pay for these elaborate parties, and we’d show up for 12 minutes and go back to the hotel.

WENDY MELVOIN (guitarist, the Revolution, 1983-1987) Pre-Purple Rain, we were still seen as part of the underground, psycho-punk scene. I was proud of that.

DR. FINK (keyboardist, the Revolution, 1979-91) During that tour, we kept running into Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet Band. After one of the shows, Prince asked me what made Seger so popular. I said, “Well, he’s playing mainstream pop-rock.” Michael Jackson and Prince were breaking ground, but there was still a lot of segregation on mainstream radio. I said, “Prince, if you were to write something along these lines, it would cross things over for you even further.” I’m not trying to take credit for anything here, but possibly that influenced him.

COLEMAN The idea of doing a movie had been bubbling for years. Prince carried a notebook, and he’d always come up with little scenarios on a plane or on buses or, back then, in the occasional station wagon.

BOB CAVALLO (former manager) We managed Prince in ’78, ’79, something like that, until ’89, the ten really good years, as far as I’m concerned. I call (partner Steve Fargnoli) and he’s on the road with Prince: “Steve, there’s about a year left on our deal, mention to Prince that we’d like to re-up.” A day or so later I get a response: “He’ll only sign with us if he gets a major motion picture. It has to be with a studio — not with some drug dealer or jeweler financing. And his name has to be above the title. Then he’d re-sign with us.” He wasn’t a giant star yet. I mean, that demand was a little over the top.

COLEMAN You know how he is — it wasn’t about coming out with the next record. The next record had to be a whole environment.

MELVOIN It was exciting, but I was concerned it would be cheesy. I was just turning 19, and even at that age, I was this odd, geeky cinephile. I was one of those kids watching The Tin Drum and Seven Samurai. So I was really concerned with doing a rock movie and it not being as cool as A Hard Day’s Night.

ALAN LEEDS (former tour manager) Two pop hits doesn’t mean you’re a movie star. And this was before MTV had any significance, particularly with black music. But I don’t know how you describe his obsession. It was beyond confidence. It wasn’t even arrogant. It was destiny, and either you’re on board or you’re going to miss out.

Prince: The Oral History of 'Purple Rain'
With no previous filmmaking experience, newly minted producer Cavallo began pitching Prince’s idea around Hollywood, taking meetings with such potential investors as Richard Pryor and David Geffen.

CAVALLO Prince just kept pushing, and everybody turned us down. Nobody wanted to give me the money. We were gonna make a movie in the late fall, in Minneapolis, with unknown black people in front of the camera and me as a first-time producer. I went out to find a writer because no one would do it. Finally I found a TV writer who’d won Emmys.

WILLIAM BLINN (screenwriter) I was the executive producer of Fame, the television series. I went to Hollywood, where Prince was putting together final touches on a video. Met him at an Italian restaurant in Hollywood. What I remember more than anything was that he was the only person I had ever seen in my life who had pasta and orange drink. I didn’t get it then, I don’t get it now, but what the hell. He had definite ideas of what he wanted to do — a generalized story line, broad strokes. It wasn’t his life, but it was about his life. Not that it was wall-to-wall docu-drama, but he knew where he’d come from, and he wanted the movie to reflect that.

BOBBY Z. I think there always was a battle-of-the-bands story line — the Triple Threat tour was definitely the impetus. We had an epic food fight with the Time that could’ve easily been in the movie; it spurred the whole Time-versus-Revolution myth. It went from the show to the hotel and back to the bus to the airport and never stopped for about three days.

JELLYBEAN JOHNSON (drummer, the Time) We’re onstage, and all of a sudden, (Time singer) Morris Day’s big bodyguard grabs (Time guitarist) Jesse Johnson and snatches him offstage. And Prince takes his place playing guitar. They take Jesse backstage, chain him to a coatrack or whatever, and proceed to pour syrup, or whatever food was in their dressing room, all over him. Now the band is wondering what the hell’s goin’ on: Prince is still playing guitar, and Jesse’s gone, and then they got Jerome (Benton, dancer and backing vocalist) too. So when we got done with the last song, we decided, “We’re gonna kick their ass.” We took all our suits off and got into some dirty clothes, and we got eggs and everything, and we made them quite uncomfortable. We wouldn’t do it while the show was going on, ’cause we figured we would’ve got fired, but the minute the show was over, it was on. We got all of them. We didn’t discriminate.

BLINN Shortly after meeting Prince, I went to Minneapolis. We went to a couple of clubs, and I kinda picked up what I could on that scene. We were certainly an odd couple: I’m a fairly large human being, about six-three and 190 pounds. It was hard for me to just blend into the background. We found a way to work. He respected what I was doing, and I respected what he was doing. I did a couple of series with Wilford Brimley, whom I genuinely liked, and you could not pay me enough to ever work with him again. Prince was never a diva. He was there to do the work, and he worked his ass off.

With Blinn’s first draft in hand, Cavallo set out to find a director. He was eventually steered toward Albert Magnoli, a film editor and recent USC grad with a jazz docudrama as his sole directorial credit.

ALBERT MAGNOLI (director) I had problems with the script. It just didn’t have any truth. If a film like this works, it works because it’s speaking to the kids and it’s coming from the heart.

CAVALLO We meet for breakfast, and (Magnoli) is jumping up and down and kneeling on the floor, telling me how he was gonna take the last scene of The Godfather — the famous montage of the christening while the guys are getting rid of all of Michael’s enemies. He said, “That’s how we’ll open the film. Prince will be performing, but we’ll introduce all the characters as we cut back and forth between Prince getting ready to go for the gig.”

BLINN I think we had a better first draft — more mysterious and offbeat. The character of the father was a suicide, not an attempted suicide, and he was gone. The overall thrust of the picture was the Kid being torn between the dark allure of death — what it does to a kid when a parent commits suicide — and music and sexuality.

MAGNOLI I was told, “You’re gonna sit in a hotel room for a couple of hours, and then we’re gonna meet Prince at midnight. We’re gonna go have a meal, and then you’ll talk about the script.” They picked me up at 11, and I sat myself down in the lobby near the elevator. At midnight, the doors parted and Prince walked out. That put the last 30 pages of the screenplay in my mind — I was able to discern a tremendous amount of vulnerability in him, which the material I’d studied hadn’t given me. Because when Prince is performing, he’s extremely assured. But what I saw walking across the lobby was a very vulnerable kid.

CAVALLO You know how he’s called the Kid in the movie? Well, that’s all I ever called him: Kid.

MAGNOLI We got to the restaurant — it was just a Denny’s or something like that — and sat in a booth. I ordered a grilled cheese sandwich; Prince ordered spaghetti and orange juice, which was one of his favorite meals. I launched into the same pitch I’d given Cavallo the day before: A kid from the other side of the tracks, someone that’s not appreciated, he’s in this wonderful musical world, and he’s got parent problems.

PRINCE (to Tavis Smiley, 2009) My father was so hard on me. I was never good enough. It was almost like the Army when it came to music… I wasn’t allowed to play the piano when he was there because I wasn’t as good as him. So when he left, I was determined to get as good as him, and I taught myself how to play music. And I just stuck with it, and I did it all the time. And sooner or later, people in the neighborhood heard about me and they started to talk.

MAGNOLI Prince and I then walked out the door and got in the car. He started to drive and didn’t say a word. We were on a freeway for about five seconds, and then we got off, and I swear to God we were driving in a complete vacuum of blackness. There was about five minutes of complete silence, and then he said, “Do you know me? Have you read anything about me?” I said no. So he said, “Do you know my music?” And I said, “1999,” “Little Red Corvette.” And he said, “That’s it? How is it that you can tell me my whole life in seven minutes?” When he dropped me off at the hotel, he says, “I have over a hundred songs produced. Maybe you can come by tomorrow and listen to them, because I think some of them might be good for the movie.”

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Magnoli signed on to direct the film and rewrite Blinn’s screenplay. In August 1983, he relocated to Minneapolis, where he conducted interviews with Prince, the Revolution, and the Time, and immersed himself in the local music scene.

DAVID Z. (producer, Prince collaborator) Minneapolis was a very reclusive, isolated place for a long time. We were trying to get a hit record out there for 35 years, and nothing would happen. Nobody would come and see us, ’cause they all thought we had nothing going on in our backyard. And then two things happened: (Lipps Inc.’s) “Funkytown” and Prince.

COLEMAN “Funkytown” was more along the lines of what was considered the Minneapolis sound, because it was tight, funky, gizmo-synth kind of stuff. But it’s funny, because “Funkytown” was about wanting to get out of Minneapolis and being miserable there.

PAUL PETERSON (keyboardist, the Time, 1983-85) I’ve lived there my entire life, The musicians that were around then all pretty much knew each other. We all sat in together at different clubs. There were the different cliques — Soul Asylum, the Replacements, and all those people. We didn’t necessarily interact with those guys, but in the funk scene, we all hung out.

DICKERSON Prince was the game-changer. One of the reasons the area had always been cover-band-dominated was there wasn’t a template of “Do this, put together a showcase, get A&R people.” Nobody knew anything about that. So there was no label presence until Prince. Once that happened, people started coming in. So you have Hüsker Dü and Soul Asylum and the Suburbs and those bands benefiting from that.

To prepare for Purple Rain‘s grueling production schedule — Magnoli had only eight weeks to shoot — Prince enrolled the cast members in dance and acting classes at Minnesota Dance Theatre.

LEEDS You had one guy who couldn’t do a push-up and someone like Prince who could do splits in his sleep.

COLEMAN I wish I had films of those things, because it was hilarious. We took a proper jazz/ballet class, and we were doing jazz hands. And imagine Jellybean, the drummer from the Time, doing pirouettes across the floor.

JOHNSON That was bizarre for me, being a kid from the streets.

FINK We’d sit in a circle and play mind-development and memory games. The dancing was required for a while. Then Prince didn’t make it mandatory after several weeks, because some people were not into it. It was mainly to get in shape. The instructor was playing the old Jane Fonda workouts first thing in the day.

For the film’s love interest, Prince cast Vanity, née Denise Matthews, as an aspiring singer torn between the affections of the Kid and Morris.

MAGNOLI When I met Vanity, I was at (nightclub) First Avenue, in the mezzanine area. Before anyone even said a word, I felt a quickening in the air. Within seconds, people started buzzing, “Vanity’s here, Vanity’s here.” I saw her coming through, one of the most beautiful women you could ever lay your eyes on, packed into latex or whatever second skin, looking exquisite.

COLEMAN Vanity was supposed to be the lead, but she left right before the film. It almost tanked the film. I don’t know what happened. Maybe it was a personal issue between her and Prince. They were dating.

MELVOIN My only speculation was that they had a big blowout. That’s what I heard. They had a huge blowout and she bolted.

MAGNOLI What happened was — and it’s the Hollywood story — Martin Scorsese was casting for The Last Temptation of Christ, and they gave her an offer to play Mary Magdalene. She came to me and said, “Listen, I’ve got this offer, my agent wants me to take it, what should I do?” I felt bad for her because I knew she was in a terrible bind. In the end, she and her representative made the determination that they would do the Scorsese project, which then got delayed because of financing.

CHRISTINE HARRIS (secretary to Pure Heart Ministries and Denise Matthews) Being that Denise did not appear in Purple Rain, she would not have anything to add to your story. God bless.

JILL JONES (actress, singer) When she pulled out, a good friend of mine, Gina Gershon, auditioned for it. That would’ve been a totally different film.

MAGNOLI I saw hundreds of girls, and Apollonia was the last one. She came in with sweatpants and a sweatshirt on, no desire to glam up or impress. I called Prince and said, “You gotta come and see this girl.”

APOLLONIA KOTERO (actress) I was in South America and Mexico — singing in nightclubs, doing commercials, TV series, films. I had to submit my tape with songs and the acting reel, meet the producers in L.A., and meet Prince in Minnesota. He was shy. And he smelled real good. Like purple. (Laughs.) We sat there and stared at each other for the longest time.

COLEMAN Apollonia came and saved the day. But she was not a singer. She was an actress. So the poor thing was thrown into the studio: “Here, you have to sing this.” She was like, “Oh my God, I don’t know how to sing.” And she did the best she could. I doubled her vocals on “Take Me With U” to make it sound a little better.

KOTERO I don’t remember that. But I would imagine she’s on (the song).

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Much of the Purple Rain soundtrack was recorded over the summer of 1983 at a warehouse in suburban Minneapolis and live onstage at First Avenue.

MARK CARDENAS (keyboardist, the Time, 1983-84) On one side of the warehouse was Prince’s huge stage; on the other side was the Time’s little club set-up. It was a constant reminder of how big Prince was and how little the Time were.

MELVOIN (For the title song) Prince came in with the melody and the words and an idea of what the verses were like. I came up with the opening chords, and everybody started playing their parts.

BOBBY Z. My first reaction was, “Wow, this is almost a country song.” It had a different feel than anything we’d been rehearsing for the rest of the album. I realize now it was probably, in his mind, the centerpiece of the story. But that’s Prince — his ability to thread the needle, so to speak.

BLINN The first time you hear that song, you realize that this person who’s built like a jockey and speaks barely above a whisper can just knock something out of the park.

One of the album’s most enduring moments is the spoken-word introduction to “Computer Blue,” featuring Coleman and Melvoin.

COLEMAN I have a Facebook page and I can’t tell you how many people post “Is the water warm enough?” on there. I don’t know what it means. Prince handed us a piece of paper and said, “Will you guys go out there and say this?” I didn’t think twice. Honestly, I hate to say that it doesn’t mean anything. Is it tea? Is it a bathtub? Whatever you want to think. It was just us being cheeky.

MELVOIN We had no idea that it had some weird psychosexual connotations. Now it’s like some odd tagline for us. I roll my eyes, because some people say it like I’ve never heard it before.

COLEMAN (Our relationship) was never meant to be a secret. We were just who we were. She was my girlfriend, and that lasted until just about six years ago. We were married for 20 years. I mean, not married, but together.

MELVOIN We were very quiet with the press. You could call it closeted, but we didn’t want to put our relationship at risk. And everybody loved the mystery: “I bet they are. I bet they’re not.”

With a final budget of just over $7 million, Purple Rain commenced shooting on November 1, 1983.

MAGNOLI We had over 900 extras who came to the set every day excited. They gave the whole scene a tremendous amount of realism. And we didn’t know it at the time, but those images had a tremendous amount of influence on the direction that MTV took.

COLEMAN When it came to shooting, Prince was very focused and specific about the way he wanted things to look. He got very involved. He made you feel safe and proud.

JONES He would just let you be who you were and try to help bring it out. When you’re in his company, you’re like, “Yeah, we can do this.” That’s a great quality, even with all the sociopathic behavior that he can exhibit.

KOTERO One minute we’re hanging out, playing basketball like two buddies, and then the big kiss scene. It was in the barn and I had to be topless. He was really a gentleman—he looked straight in my eyes. We have great chemistry. But the whole world has this idea we dated. At the time, I was seeing David Lee Roth.

MAGNOLI I didn’t find it very difficult to direct them. Because they were already performers and because the story was organic to them, all they had to do was be themselves. But I feel that Prince, Morris Day, Jerome Benton, Apollonia — they were who they needed to be in those roles. There was no embellishment, there was no flourish. They stayed true to their characters.

LEEDS No one was going to win any awards for acting. No one had any illusions that they were. The majority of the music-buying public hadn’t seen what a remarkable performer Prince was. Whatever success the movie was going to have depended entirely upon how well the performance scenes came off.

CAVALLO We were a few weeks behind, and we had four weeks set to shoot the music. So I said to Prince, “You know, Albert is gonna want to do 20 takes, he’s gonna want different angles.” And Prince, he almost changed color. “I’ll give him one take for each song.” I said, “No, that’s extreme. What if we just did a couple of takes with a bunch of cameras?” We got a bunch of cameramen, and Prince, who’s unbelievable, always hit his mark. If he did three takes, there was no change. Within a week, we had done the four weeks’ work.

MELVOIN We were rehearsing the live material for six months. We didn’t have to worry about that part.

STEVE McCLELLAN (former owner, First Avenue) The fact that the movie didn’t show what was going on musically beyond the funk circle and was so narrow-focused — it had no sense of reality to me. Then, after the film came out, people came to the club just to see if Prince was there. I thought, “These people are kind of shallow, aren’t they?”

What is perhaps the most frequently quoted scene in Purple Rain takes place not in First Avenue, but on the banks of a chilly lake outside of Minneapolis, where the Kid cruelly tests Apollonia’s loyalty by asking her to “purify (herself) in the waters of Lake Minnetonka,” prompting her to strip down and jump into the drink.

KOTERO Some crew guy comes over with a flask of Courvoisier and goes, “It’s like magic Jesus juice! This is gonna help ya!” I was like, “You know what, I’m okay.” I jumped in and, basically, there was a little sheet of ice, and that was the very first take. When I came out, I was supposed to have dialogue and I lost it — I was completely in a state of shock because it was colder than I ever imagined. Hypothermia was setting in.

Later in the film, after it’s revealed that Apollonia has been spending time with Morris, a jealous Kid attacks her. The film’s portrayal of women drew charges of misogyny from some critics.

KOTERO I discussed all of this when I was doing the tour to promote the film — the movie had to do with alcoholism and a dysfunctional family. There was an abusive relationship, and it paralleled the relationship he had with his parents.

Though the Time scored two hits as a result of Purple Rain — “The Bird” and “Jungle Love,” both widely believed to have been cowritten by Prince — the band was in shambles: Founding members Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis had been fired by Prince during the 1999 tour after missing a gig, causing tension between Prince and Day.

LEEDS Morris was not happy with what Prince had done: “It’s my band, but I have no voice in this.” Of course, the hypocrisy was, it never really was his band.

COLEMAN All the different bands he has created have been sides of his personality: Vanity 6 would be the sexy girl, Morris Day would be the comedy guy, and then Prince was the rock star.

MELVOIN Morris was the guy who could make him laugh more than anyone on the planet. I never saw it as being a subordinate relationship, but I knew Morris was helping Prince out. Morris would wash his car sometimes for a couple bucks or something. I didn’t see it as being as strained as it was portrayed in the film.

DICKERSON The Time was a collaborative effort, an arrangement between Prince and Morris, who had been friends for many years. But the Frankenstein aspect of it was that the Time became such a force as a live band that there was this onstage competition — they pushed us to the limit. Which was a good thing. We were out to blow one another off the stage every night.

JOHNSON You imagine something you created is beating your ass in all these towns down South? Prince was the one who had the money and was putting us all out there, but you’re talking about hungry kids from the ghetto trying to get their groove. The only power we had was those 45 minutes onstage, because it’s a dictatorship. He ran everything. He still does that to this day.

According to Johnson, tension between Prince and Day eventually led to an on-set scuffle.

MAGNOLI That’s news to me.

JOHNSON I was there; I broke them up. Why did they fight? I have my theories, but I can’t tell you. Morris is my brother and I have to work with him, and Prince, I still have to deal with his punk ass. What Rock and Roll Hall of Famer has time to be looking at what is said about him and watching every word and all that bullshit? He, unfortunately, is one of them.

Prince: The Oral History of 'Purple Rain'
Part II: Punch a Higher Floor

In the spring of 1984, as Prince began prepping a new tour, Cavallo and Magnoli were trying to convince Warner Bros. that Purple Rain wasn’t just a rock star’s vanity project.

MAGNOLI They originally were gonna release it in 200 theaters. Prince had a hit album (with 1999), but so what? He was an urban-based musician. They thought no one understood him besides the urban base.

CAVALLO We had our first screening somewhere in Culver City (California). Kids were fighting over the passes; we had fan-club kids telling us they had their passes taken away from them by bullies. We knew it was pretty hot. But Warners gets the numbers back, and they’re too good to be true.

MAGNOLI (The studio says,) “We need to go to Texas now and screen this in front of an all-white, redneck audience.” A week later, we fly down to Texas and put it up in front of 300 white kids. Within three minutes, they’re all up on their feet. Bob was able to get the studio to understand that they needed to get this into the heartland.

CAVALLO We got 900 theaters, which was enough for us to be a huge success.

MAGNOLI Rick Springfield had a movie (Hard to Hold) coming out at the same time. Warner Bros. says, “We’re nervous.” So I got to a screening, and this was my report: “Guys, we have nothing to worry about. It’s got nothing to do with reality, nothing to do with the world of musicians. They tried to make him into a movie star. Not gonna work.”

On June 9, a month and a half before Purple Rain‘s opening, Prince released “When Doves Cry,” a stark downer that addressed the film’s themes of personal and familial tumult. It became Prince’s first No. 1 single.

CAVALLO We wanted to precede the picture with a song that would appear in the movie like a video.

?UESTLOVE (drummer, the Roots) Before, brothers had a hard time embracing a bikini-clad, high-heel-boot-sporting, five-foot, Midwest, light-skinned guy with a falsetto. But the second after my block saw the “When Doves Cry” video, and he was getting on Apollonia, that changed a lot of opinions.

COLEMAN Prince had a lot of meetings with wardrobe people, and all the clothes were made for us. There was a little bit of consulting, but it was more like, “This is your look, and this is your look, and this is what we’re going to do.”

BOBBY Z. He was really good at style, and he knew that when you feel good in something, your character comes out. He could take people and find their strengths. I had a mustache and curly hair, and it’s pretty easy to turn that into a suave character. Who doesn’t want to be suave?

FINK I wore a gold satin tuxedo once; I looked like a freaking waiter. From there, I moved on to a black-and-white jail suit. In late ’79, we got on tour with Rick James, and he had this big oversize jail suit, and the front of it was Velcroed together so he could tear it off and be half-naked. So Prince said to me, “I think you better change your image.”

COLEMAN Prince actually got mad at me because I was such a jeans-and-T-shirt girl. He was like, “God, you look like a roadie. What if Mick Jagger sees you?” He was always imagining the absolute nth-degree scenario. I was like, “Dude, it’s okay. I’m going to 7-Eleven.”

FINK Prince said, “Did you have any other ideas when you thought of the jail suit?” And I said, “Well, you gave me this khaki paratrooper’s jumpsuit. I could wear that again.” He goes, “No, that’s passé.” I go, “A doctor’s suit?” And then the light bulb went off above his head: “That’s it.” He had his wardrobe gal run out to a uniform shop in Chicago and get me authentic scrubs. And Prince goes, “I’m going to get an easel and a canvas up there, and I want you to act like you’re painting when I introduce you. It will be weird. It will be funny. Watch.” So for several nights, I was introduced as Dr. Fink, and I’m up there painting.

COLEMAN He’s really controlling, but he was also kind of a puppy. He’d say it in a way where you couldn’t say no. If you said, “I’m not going to wear that,” you’d probably get fired.

MELVOIN I didn’t want to wear bustiers. Wearing that stuff, I just felt like a transvestite.

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Despite an R rating, Purple Rain grossed more than $7 million in its first weekend, prompting Warner Bros. to add 1,000 more screens its second week. The movie eventually earned $68 million in the U.S., making it the ninth-highest-grossing movie of 1984. And though critics were divided — the New York Times praised the concert scenes but noted, “The offstage stuff is utter nonsense” — it made Roger Ebert’s and Gene Siskel’s year-end Top 10 lists. Meanwhile, the film’s opening number, “Let’s Go Crazy,” hit No. 1 in September, helping the soundtrack remain at the top of the charts for 24 weeks. Purple Rain and its creator were impossible to ignore, no matter how hard some parents tried.

TIPPER GORE (founder, Parents’ Music Resource Center, in an excerpt from her 1987 book, Raising PG Kids in an X-Rated Society) I purchased Prince’s best-selling Purple Rain for my 11-year-old daughter… When we brought the album home, put it on our stereo, and listened to it together, we heard the words to another song, “Darling Nikki”: “I knew a girl named Nikki / Guess U could say she was a sex fiend / Met her in a hotel lobby / Masturbating with a magazine.” The song went on and on in a similar manner. I couldn’t believe my ears! The vulgar lyrics embarrassed both of us. At first, I was stunned — then I got mad! Millions of Americans were buying Purple Rain with no idea what to expect.

CAVALLO We just didn’t pay attention. Any time Prince got bad publicity, it helped him.

BOBBY Z. I thought she was kind of late. Where was she during “Head”?

The Purple Rain tour opened on November 4, 1984, with a seven-night stand in Detroit. Morris Day left the Time shortly after the movie wrapped. Sheila E. served as the opening act.

COLEMAN We were a crack band. Prince would do these dances, and if he did a hand signal, we’d do this little turnaround we had discussed at soundcheck.

BOBBY Z. We’d been playing arenas, but it turned into multiple nights: seven nights at the Forum (in L.A.), 11 nights at the Summit in Houston. We put down stakes, just camped out in the city.

FINK We were in Detroit or Atlanta — I can’t remember which — in this huge mall, all the members of the Revolution except Prince, and we ran into Bruce Springsteen. He was out looking like the average street dude in a trench coat, a little bit disheveled, trying to blend in. We introduced ourselves, and we all went to eat at a restaurant in the mall. Next thing we know, everyone recognizes us, and there’s a crowd gathered around us blocking the doors and we couldn’t get out. We had to go through the restaurant kitchen, the secret catacombs of the mall, to get out. It was like the Beatles or something.

LEEDS In D.C., Prince needed to get his hair done, and there wasn’t an adequate salon in the hotel. So our stylist made an agreement with a salon in Georgetown. With Prince, this means you close down the salon and black out the windows, and no other customers are present; even the people who work at the salon vacate the premises. The same with nightclubs: You’d have to buy out the club because he didn’t want the public in. Find a local modeling agency and invite a hundred models, but not the general public. Oh God, the money wasted.

DICKERSON He invited me and my wife at the time to catch a couple shows in D.C. The first night we were there, Prince invited us to his suite, and at that point, the way they were traveling was full-blown, diamond-level status — they’re hauling a grand piano from city to city for his suite. But in terms of the personal interaction, it was great. We got back to old times. As we were about to leave, I said, “Hey, we were thinking of going to Georgetown tomorrow to do some shopping,” which is what we always did as a band when we were on the road. At first he got this smile on his face and was about to say something, but then he stopped — I’ll never forget, the look on his face changed and his voice dropped — and he said, “You know, I really can’t go anywhere anymore.”

In the spring of 1985, Purple Rain won the Academy Award for Best Original Song Score. The competition: Kris Kristofferson and the Muppets. The category was eliminated the following year.

MELVOIN The cast of Amadeus was right in front of me, and I was sitting next to Jimmy Stewart. He looked over at us and was like, “Who are these weird, medieval-looking, grim reaper types?”

COLEMAN When we got the award, Prince made a joke like, “We better run, because they’re going to think we stole it.” We were running out the back door. He let Wendy and me keep it at our house for a long time.

LEEDS There has not been a tour bus that I’ve been on in 20 years where the first movie played was not Purple Rain. It drives me up a wall. These young artists, they know every word in the script.

Prince and the Revolution didn’t wait long to record a follow-up to Purple Rain: Less than a month after the Oscars, the kaleidoscopic Around the World in a Day appeared in stores. It sold far fewer copies than its predecessor but yielded a pair of Top 10 hits: “Raspberry Beret” and “Pop Life.” Parade followed the next year, as did a European tour, but relations between Prince and his band were becoming strained.

COLEMAN He became more of a satellite. It hurt our feelings. He used to travel with us on the same bus, but then he got his own. He would always be escorted ahead of us in his own car, and we were left behind. He had his big house, and when he got the guard at the gate, it was, “Wow, dude. It’s me. I did your laundry.” I lived with him for a while in his house — I’d fix him a sandwich or we’d do laundry together. It was really brother-and-sister stuff. When it changed, I’d have to go through other people to talk to him. I was not into that. I’m still not into that.

DAVID Z. I think what changed him more than anything was being on tour and staying right across the street from the Dakota when John Lennon was shot in 1980. He’s diminutive, and when you walk into a place and every eye is on you, he just saw himself as a target. That got to him.

LEEDS He was very protective of his image as this weird, shy, quiet, introverted, nerdy, creative genius. He really did hide behind managers and bodyguards and so on.

COLEMAN At the end of the (1986) Parade tour, he brought Wendy and me to his house for dinner. We always called it the “paper-wrapped chicken dinner,” because it was wrapped in pink slips. We’d be here in L.A. and he’d send us tapes with a piano and vocal, just an idea, and then we’d produce it. We would do all the instruments and background vocals. He felt like, “I need to take it back and do it all myself again. I’m losing touch with myself. So unfortunately, I’m going to let you go, because you’re doing everything.”

Bobby Z. and keyboardist Brown Mark left the Revolution along with Wendy and Lisa. Dr. Fink stayed on until 1991. The full group hasn’t performed together since 1986.

BOBBY Z. Would I have like to have gone on and done more Prince and the Revolution stuff? Of course. It was a band for the ages. But Prince wanted to experiment with different musical people. I mean, it happened to Lennon and McCartney. It’s just human nature.

CAVALLO Warner Bros. had no rights for a sequel. I had this idea: Purple Rain 2: The Further Adventures of the Time. It would start with Prince in some big arena, playing one of his incredible concerts. The Time are there, about to go to Las Vegas because they won a contest to play a lounge in a big hotel. And the basic story would be the Mob were the people who booked them, so they eventually get into trouble, and the only friends that they have are the showgirls. Well, for some reason, Morris thought that character took away his manhood.

LEEDS Prince’s (subsequent) musicians were always talented. But arguably, they’re not of the level he once had. If they don’t bring any ideas, they don’t challenge him, they don’t stimulate him. The Revolution were constantly bringing songs to his attention. They would leave rehearsal and go listen to a Duke Ellington record or a country-western record. He was all ears. The more money he’s had, the more he’s been able to isolate himself from the real world. He handpicks his input.

?UESTLOVE Purple Rain really started hip-hop culture, whether the historians want to view it that way or not. You have Prince himself, a very unusual-looking figure, five feet tall — pretty much anybody considered a musical genius in hip-hop has some sort of odd physical feature, i.e., Biggie’s lazy eye. And then the whole idea of beefs — Prince and Morris. Morris’ whole pimp attitude, that was something you didn’t hear since the blaxploitation films of the early ’70s. Prince sang about sex and he worked with drum machines.

MELVOIN We did keep in touch a little. I believe it was toward the late ’90s that it got very strained and we didn’t speak that much until — well, we’ve been speaking for about seven years now.

BOBBBY Z. Wendy and Lisa and Prince had talked about (a reunion) a while ago, but it doesn’t seem in the stars. He just launched a whole new platform and triple album that could keep him on the road for two years. You know, it’s his call.

DICKERSON I did go back to Minneapolis last spring for a thing called the Prince Family Reunion. A bunch of people — basically, everyone but Prince — got together and played Prince songs.

COLEMAN He has hinted to Wendy and myself recently that he can’t condone who we are or be friendly in a certain way. We both have kids now with other partners — he’s been a little less than Uncle Prince. So that hurts, especially because he liked that element in his band back then. We were trying to mix it up and bust the categories: Androgyny and multiracialism were the way to go. I always feel he should open up and be honest because he’s a fucking cool guy.

  

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