Both had successful first albums but didn't build an impressive catalog. I'd say Mos cause he's the better MC I was kinda surprised Clef became famous tbh but Clef is a multi talented dude

Plus a load of dope singles, compilation tracks, and guest appearances.

Wyclef had The Carnival and The Score, and a few dope guest appearances.

You get the feeling the Mos could have been the best, but he could deliver.

Wyclef largely fell of a cliff after "The Carnival."

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"Preacher's Son" had some joints and "Welcome to Haiti: Creole 101"
is really good for those who ain't solely into Hip Hop.
As a big Clef fan, I'm not disappointed in his career at all.
Had some duds, but his creativity and fun spirit never left.

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I loved "The Carnival," so hearing him crawl up his own ass with "The Ecleftic" was a huge let-down. Like, moreso that Mos following up BOBS with "The New Danger." (an album I tried many, many, many times to try and get into). So I will freely admit that I didn't give the post-"Ecleftic" albums enough of a chance. I should probably go back and give some a listen with new ears. But man, back then a lot of it seemed pretty pretentious.

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outta the East.

Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

>outta the East.


Really? Nobody great has come out since ninety fuckin eight? FOH

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Phonte is not getting any mentions as an all-time great.

As soon as you hit VA...you in the South bro.

Phonte is far better than a good emcee. He's not quite a legend or an all timer, but definitely in that Great category.


altho he's not an east coast emcee, even if he sounds like one

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Why not just say no great new york rappers

You have 0 concept of cultural and environmental difference in various regions of our country huh.

I can see you looking at a map, confused as shit thinking "but NC is one the east!"

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Wyclef has The Score and The Carnival those two alone shit on most emcee's entire catalog.

Mos has the Black Star Album and I've never been disappointed by any of his solo projects.

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Dude was insanely relatable, had skills and lyrics, humor and insight. Just got so damn scattershot with each release and just seemed to wanna subvert expectations which is fine and all, but yeah...

Could his career have been better and more focused? Sure. But did still put out solid projects and has at least one classic under his belt. Most artists would kill for that kind of career.

After Carnival Wyclef has been absolutely unlistenable.

if people removed what they *want* him to be/do and look at his catalog, it's solid.

Wyclef on the other hand...

and personal judgments are a rabbit hole. a majority of your heroes are shit people.

When you step back and think about this place has treated old favorites...very little of it has to do with the music.

Ecstatic is a masterpiece. If that was a Doom record, dudes on here would be j#rking off to it.


The Roots are the only act of the old guard to get love on here...and it is because they take no risks and do nothing to challenge their audience.

This by no means an insult. But it is a fact.

They have literally become a house band.

If Mos was releasing BOBS retreads every 2 years and had is own non-threatening tv show, this place would love him.

Mos is raising awareness on torture, etc.

The Roots are doing skits with Hollywood a-listers.

Now, I'm not mad at em getting paid and having a consistent job.

BUT

It is the clear idea that Okayplayer just wants their old favorites to stay the same. Stay in the box. Do what I want, what I expect of you, or I'm writing you off as a disappointment

Weird. And sad.

Do I wish Mos had released more stuff? Of course.

But comparing him to Wyclef? lol lol GTFOH

If you love Mos Def work fine. If you love Wyclef's work fine. But the reaction I get from everyday people is what happens to those two.

and I say this as someone who thinks Carnival is classic.

Now there's NOTHING about an artist peaking...dude probably had 5 solid years in the game producing solid non-fugee stuff like Destiny's Child.

But I can't think of any artists who's post career high work has been so consistently abysmal. We may give Prince slack, but you can tell that Prince is still well, Prince, and can still have a good song here and there.

Wyclef has no good songs for the past 15 years. I firmly belief he died around 1998 in a freak guitar playing accident and a cousin of his is running around impersonating him.

One who isn't afraid to be just that.

Mos, excuse me, Yasiin just now grew the balls to do what Clef
been doing... making music from his soul and saying fuck what yall
clowns think lol.

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>One who isn't afraid to be just that.
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>Mos, excuse me, Yasiin just now grew the balls to do what
>Clef
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>clowns think lol.

You can say alot of things about Mos, but you can't say he hasn't consistently made music for his soul.

Clef, on the other hand, has MANY examples of making music for a check, lol.

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and I am the biggest black rock hater on the boards(from the 00's on that descriptor usually leads to some very disappointing interpretations of rock music...either cheesy half cocked and copied attempts at what's happening in rock mainstream or fifth tier funk rock).

It was a solid record. I think it would be better received now that we aren't expecting a Black On Both Sides 2 and we are more used to hip-hop artists branching out into other genre vanity projects (for instance I am surprised how well received Big Grams was on the boards)

My point still stands, Mos has been...well Mos, for better and for worse, throughout his career.

But even though I don't like it you can hear the quality in it, doesn't sound half assed of just thrown together unfortunately that's what I hear with most of Yasiin albums. Mos is still one of my favorite mc's I just stick to the very early stuff mostly.

The last two Roots album are very different IMO miss the old sound

First of all the last two Roots' albums don't exactly retread old ground for them, especially Then I Met Your Cousin - that record sounds nothing like their old stuff. Many fans here have pointed this out in the threads for each records' release.

Second of all, in terms of Mos Def I'd argue that the dissapointment has to do with the music, literally. Yes, it was a risk and daring for Mos Def to put out a rock leaning album like the New Danger - an album I found dissapointing not because it was different, but because it, overall, probably could have been done a lot better IMO. I applaud the idea, but the execution was lacking. The next release is True Magic, an album that literally only exists because he needed to get out of his contract, it is pretty forgettable and was extremely dissapointing. Personally, Mos Def is one of the most talented MCs of all time - easily - but I don't think Ecstatic is anywhere close to being a masterpiece, it is a good album, but masterpiece is kind of hyperbole. In regards to the Doom comment, I doubt that, but there is also no way to tell because, if Doom released it, it would have been a completely different album. These are two radically different artists, voice wise, flow wise, sure they often have the same fans and Mos Def loves Doom, but comparing them as if you could just switch the name and get the same result makes no sense.

The dissapointment with Mos Def probably has less to do with his "risk taking" and more to do with the fact that when he came out, people probably thought he was going to make one of the best discogs on the planet (and have some type of musical longevity, like The Roots), because he was one of the best rappers, on the planet. He still has a good discography though, but he is someone with Top 5 talent in my opinion, for real, there are only like a handful of people who are as high in the "born to rap" category for me as Mos Def - and I don't think it shows entirely in his later projects. Either way, comparing him to Wyclef is kind of foul, as Clef has never seen half of the heights, at least as an MC, that Mos Def has.

I mean I'd say Kweli easily has a better discog, despite the fact that IMO Mos Def is a better MC than him.

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Wyclef always showed the same fun and experimental spirit in his music.
Even if you don't appreciate him for the artist that he is and just
enjoy purely Hip Hop music, it shows that you haven't heard much (if any)
of his music past "Ecleftic" to say that he's been "completely unlistenable"
since then. That's the most absurd thing said in this post.

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which makes his career more disappointing because of the potential


BOBS and Blackstar are classics. Obviously.


But we were robbed of what could have been some great rap music in the mid 2000s to that BOOGEYMAN b.s.

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Clearly it's Mos Def.

I think Wyclef gets a lot more credit than he deserves. Sure he's reponsible for a lot of great music, but I think being in a group with Lauryn Hill made 'Clef look a lot better than he actually was.

He was cool in the sense that he tried a lot of different and interesting things, but I think he had just as many bad ideas as he did good ideas.

Mos Def is incredibly talented and could do anything he wanted. This upsets a lot of people becuase they want him to do more of what they love. He has had some bad material come out, but his good far outweighs the bad.

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Once I calm down and acknowledge Black Starr, BOBS, The Ecstatic, and a ton of great guest/soundtrack/etc. verses then yes, overall, he has some of my favorite albums to his name and overall there's great material on his resume. The New Danger and True Magic are nasty blemishes, though, and I can't help but feel like he could have been way up there........and honestly, he still is, but just not as high.

Wyclef I messed with The Score and The Carnival. I don't remember if I have Ecleftic and Masquerade did nothing for me at the time. I won't lie on this message board and say I'm going to revisit either album and I haven't listened to anything from him in a decade-plus.

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did more with the talent he had and made himself look like he was about something. CLef and Lauyrn Hill were on some Fleetwood mac "Rumors" tip and it worked for a minute,

they did have the Beyonce connection in common. catching her at the start of her career as Destiny's child did no,no,no, remix with Clef.

and Beyonce did that corny play film with Mos def.

man 1998 seems like 40 years ago when you think about Black Star and the carnival being two of the most played abums and black on both sides.

wow

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

If we're talking pure emceeing skills, I'll give it to Mos,
but Clef will freestyle on your ass while playing guitar then
turn around and compose an epic ballad or blend the two... plus
he had a knack for incorporating humor into his thing when he
wanted to. His potential was unlimited, and he actually did fulfill
much more of it than alotta the posters in here realize, because they
ain't heard nothing past his 2nd album.

This post is largely BS, because people are judging Clef having not
heard 80% of his output, lol.

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he just pulled what hammer, Dr Dre and Puffy did and ride over it.

i mean he was cool with his jacking and it worked for a minute. the reason why folks clown on Clef, was because when you are doing duets with the Rock after dropping the Carnival and then that tight gone to november remix.it was a major drop off.

Mos Def has skills and talent,however he never got to the place Clef got,but when it was all totaled up, sum and parts they about in the same boat.

Clef got a pass because the score, the carnival were so huge at the time, however he wasn't that deep musically. Mos DEf didn't have the commerical flare as clef and he paid a price for that as a Artist

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He couldn't carry Moke's flugelhorn.

That's all I have to say about that

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I thought Mos would change all of hip-hop and reach legendary Big, Nas, Jay status. I thought he was going to meld conscious and popular hip-hop. I thought there would be alot more two words, Brown Sugar, etc.




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>and reach legendary
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LOL, in that case, I see why yall are so disappointed. I loved
BOBS as much as anyone else, but I always figured Mos would be a guy
with a few decent albums and nothing more or less.
Yall thought this mufucka was the 2nd coming. lol gotdamn.

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These two dudes basically lost to Jay-Z, when The Blueprint came out, it literally became the blueprint, because Jay picked the best producers for this, and he was gonna topple people musically, and this took place with Kanye, Timbo... Meanwhile Clef & Mos weren't really doing fire, and Jay @ that point ran away with his incredible formula, and drilled everyone.

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Hot Fire! think about it.


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Honestly, if your trolling or dead serious, what is your fucking point?

His point is Clef & Mos weren't really doing fire. Whatver the fuck that means lol

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To be honest, I liked The Carnival. With Mos Def, I didn't really get any material from him. Am just saying that when Jay-Z put out The Blueprint, it changed the facet of hip hop, because this was when they were doing soul music (beats).
Kanye, Timbo, I mean huge producers, and what's happening in hip hop, or what has happened is that it's gotten to be a musical thing.
I liked The Carnival, I buy Wyclef cds all the time, because I wanna see if he can emulate The Carnival again. I love the Haiti sound...
I just feel that modern day hip hop is more of the music, The Carnival to me, I mean not just Clef but Lauryn Hill, you have material here that was so educational, something that wasn't garbage.
Because now is all about showing off how much money you have this and that.

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not sure about that.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

nothing disappointing about Mos to me

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