45. "Personally, I disagree." In response to Reply # 13
>sounds like a cheap forgettable neptunes beat without >everything else on it
I really don't hear much difference other than the fact that the Kendrick version was mastered.
And, come on, this beat is NOT cheap or forgettable in any way or form.
The drum roll during the intro and leading into the chorus was a nice addition, along with the saxophone solo, but, other than that, the core beat is the driving force.
Ya'll just really want to take the credit away from Pharrell, that's what it sounds like to me.
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it's always cool to hear what goes down behnd the scenes before projects are released, but unless the producers already that hook or theme and passed it on I don't think Fab would have given us the same song, and it would probably be on a mixtape
11. "Pretty sure he re-recorded it after Kendrick" In response to Reply # 7 Tue Nov-03-15 07:28 AM by BigReg
Remember he passed on the beat, why would he write a perfect reference track, pass on it, and still hand it back to the producer w/ the vocals.
Either that or Pharrell was heavily involved in how the song should go and gave Kendrick similar flow references (maybe there's a Skateboard P version out there, lol)
>Does that mean F-A-B or Skateboard P came up with the flow? > >Yeah though, heads would explode to know Kdot borrowed flow >from fabulous. > > >********** >"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then >they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson > >Movies I need y'all bastids to see so we can discuss: > >Five Star - https://goo.gl/jBHbVv >Appropriate Behavior - http://goo.gl/isCzTM >Ma
So we're going to act completely ignorant to the workings of the industry to maintain our current favorite's credibility, which really isn't even in question?
17. "LOL. Don't paint me with that brush nigga." In response to Reply # 15 Tue Nov-03-15 09:32 AM by BigReg
>So we're going to act completely ignorant to the workings of >the industry to maintain our current favorite's credibility, >which really isn't even in question?
if anything I want Fab to eat.
My thing is that this isn't a Rihanna songwriting boot camp where there's millions of dollars flying around (and millions to be made) to justify 20+producers/songwriters. We are talking cheap ass TDE.
f everyone is just passing around fully made hip-hop songs on some, "Ehh, I guess Ill take it" in the industry underwebs it just seems like a waste of time particularly someone like Fab who still creeps up on radio here and there to at least keep a paid for Pharrell beat for a future mixtape/bonus tracks on an album, etc. This is a fully produced/mixed version ready to go. Not denying Kendrick had help, just don't see what Fab is getting out of it considering the timeline/work & effort, and no songwriting credit.
If it was Pharrell who was doing the reference rapping/hooks* it would make more since since he's always been as much of a songwriter as a producer with many of his acts. But it seems redundant for Fab to put in all that work, pass on it, let Kendrick run with the whole thing, and get no songwriting credit? Ghostwriters ain't so ghost in 2015, he WOULD have gotten a song credit.
*And I think it's probably the case where there probably is a reference track with Pharrell doing the hook and bars to give mc's an idea of the flow he had in mind for it.
18. "What are you talking about?" In response to Reply # 17 Tue Nov-03-15 09:42 AM by Anonymous
P probably produced the song for Fab.
Fab probably rocked with it and decided not to use it.
He has a long relationship with The Neptunes and while I agree that he probably isn't trying to blow his budget on a track he isn't using, it's very reasonable to believe he has done more songs with The Neptunes that have never been released.
P probably then played the song for Kendrick and Kendrick, for whatever reason probably loved the joint and wanted to rock to it because he had a vision for it.
Kendrick then most likely wrote his song borrowing the basis of the flow and hook.
And ALL of that was probably done with Fab saying "cool...go ahead and rock it"
I wasn't alluding to Fab writing the reference track for Kendrick. And that's why I said it would be dumb to fault Kendrick for biting in this situation as I'm sure some will do.
But I can imagine this type of shit happens often in the industry as not all tracks are used and a lot more get cut from an album than most people realize.
20. "This doesn't happen for one of the biggest hit songs of 2015" In response to Reply # 18 Tue Nov-03-15 09:48 AM by BigReg
>Kendrick then most likely wrote his song borrowing the basis >of the flow and hook. > >And ALL of that was probably done with Fab saying "cool...go >ahead and rock it"
Without a songwriting credit buried in there somewhere. Fab did 50% of the heavy lifting for the hit single of a number one album for peanuts?
>I wasn't alluding to Fab writing the reference track for >Kendrick. And that's why I said it would be dumb to fault >Kendrick for biting in this situation as I'm sure some will >do.
How is the above NOT writing the reference track? Sure, the lyrics are different but the flow+hook def isn't.
My thing is that everyone replying below this is like, "YO, HE BIT FAB, FAB WROTE IT" where Im like Nah, the above scenario you wrote is unlikely, P probably had half of it done and let em both rock wit hit, Kendrick bit, Fab unfortunately passed. Don't know why you getting all pissy here when you agreed with Toejam, who's saying the same shit, below.
21. "Where am I getting pissy bro?" In response to Reply # 20
I'm disagreeing with people saying Fab recorded his shit after.
That's clearly not what happened when P is showcasing Fab's version in 2014.
And you're acting as if Fab knew it was going to be a big record when he passed on it.
P produced it for Fab.
He passed.
Kendrick took the joint and rocked it.
Simple as that.
Fab didn't go in thinking he was going to write a song for Kendrick. And P probably did write the hook and flow so why would Fab get any writing credit?
23. "Never that son!" In response to Reply # 22 Tue Nov-03-15 10:38 AM by Anonymous
This is what I responded to...
"Fab recorded his after" and "why would Fab write a perfect reference track"
My points were;
"Fab recorded his first" (in which yes, I alluded to you being a Kendrick stan for acting like it was impossible for Fab to cut his version first) and "Fab didn't write it as a reference track".
No arguments...all good.
Most joints P produces are P joints and he coaches the MC through it. That's why he charges more lol
47. "This is what I disagree with." In response to Reply # 18
>Kendrick then most likely wrote his song borrowing the basis >of the flow and hook.
I believe that Pharrell gave both of them the same basis for the flow and hook, which is why they both used said flow and hook.
Like BigReg was saying, I highly doubt Fab would just let Kendrick take his flow and run with it unless he was getting something out of it.
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1) I seriously doubt Kendrick Lamar borrows inspiration from Fabolous
2) Fabolous passed on the beat, passed on the beat means he didnt originally record a song. so if he still had the old beat, he could have actually borrowed from TPAB and created his own version
46. "I don't know about this..." In response to Reply # 36
>1) I seriously doubt Kendrick Lamar borrows inspiration from >Fabolous
Anyone can be inspired by anyone, whether or not they are willing to admit it. Let's not act like as if Fabolous is some kind of slouch with his. You don't have his kind of lengthy career being a slouch.
>2) Fabolous passed on the beat, passed on the beat means he >didnt originally record a song. so if he still had the old >beat, he could have actually borrowed from TPAB and created >his own version
Passing on the beat doesn't mean you didn't record anything to it. It just means you passed on paying the money to actually OWN the beat. Once a producer gives you a track, you could return 100 tracks to that beat, but, if you don't buy it, you passed because you can't COMMERCIALLY release any of those tracks without legal action.
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9. "It's kinda crazy because I thought this was a mixtape version" In response to Reply # 8
Something Fab did after hearing Alright because the flow and hook are so close. I mean K-Dot do a couple of things to jazz it up for sure and it's a much better record now but some elements remained for sure.
33. "I think the consensus is P came up with the flow reference" In response to Reply # 30
used by both Kdot and Fab.
I don't think it's super clear who recorded first but I am leaning Fab (based on the video from January).
However, it has not be disproven that Fab didn't come up with the flow and kdot bit (but I think it's unlikely because as Reg pointed out, he probably would have gotten a writing credit for that).
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40. "I listened to most of that... Drake straight bought Hold On We're Going ..." In response to Reply # 31
It was a finished Majib Jordan track and he straight up said: Let me buy that, re-do it and put it on my album. Does anyone have/has anyone heard the original version?
Wow.
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44. "as i understood it..." In response to Reply # 43
drake heard it while the song was still in the oven and put em on the payroll for it. i dont think there actually is a finished MJ version. if it was it probably would've leaked by now in at least a snippet considering that drake camp has been sorta leaky in the past
50. "i'm friends with MJ and their manager (also CFO of OVO)" In response to Reply # 44
and that is definitely the case - MJ were working on the song, in a very rough form, they thought Drake would be a good fit on it, he was in the studio and heard the rough version, and then it became what it was publically released as. there is no MJ version bc they never fully finished the song on their own - it became a collaboration with Drake at a very early stage.
49. "Drake has a song that perfectly describes this..." In response to Reply # 40
Dreams Money Can Buy.
Nuff said.
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42. "RE: no one ever mentions Rick Ross' Presidential" In response to Reply # 37
Not the same beat though...
Think Pharrell was just playing with a production technique.. he'll often fall into a self invented trend for a couple beats
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48. "It's just the same synth patch..." In response to Reply # 37
>that's super weird to me. did people just not know it existed >or did they overlook it because Alright was so good? > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOP9akjXWhA > >if we're going to be leery of Kendrick/Pharrell for something, >it should be that
Quite a few folks have used it.
In the production game, many times there are so few GREAT patches amongst the millions of tripe that, folks just end up going with what has worked before.
Knocking the use of the same synth patch is like decrying the use of the electric guitar or acoustic guitar. It's pretty much going to have the same sound whenever it's used, it's just what you do with it.
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