Last week, I peeped a video of Sean P on Hot 97 saying hip hop fans are fickle and I've always heard artists like Quest saying the same thing which made me ask the question, what level of commitment are these artists expecting from their fans? Do they want some ole sports level of commitment like I don't care how many bad albums you drop, I'm gonna always buy your music? Do they want the level of commitment like in a marriage like til death do us part? I mean, if you drop 2 wack albums, do you REALLY expect me to keep buying your stuff? So for me, I now look at fan like "clients" almost like a hooker/john relationship. If you make dope music, I'll buy it. If you stop making dope music, I won't buy it.

So, check my new podcast The Corner Radio where me and my peoples are chopping it up about what's the definition of a fan, what the commitment level of a fan should be, how many bricks does an artist get before a "fan" can call it a day, why artist try to make you feel guilty with the whole "the fans won't let me grow" line when in reality all we care about is them making dope music and how Outkast is a PERFECT example of that, the difference between a music fan and a sports fan, why and how The Roots fell off. Plus you get over 60+ minutes of a DOPE hip hop mix!

My question for ya'll is speaking for yourself, which is your commitment as a fan of someone? Do you have the "marriage" commitment of "no matter what this artist does I'm buying their music, going to their shows, etc. or do you agree with the "client" philosophy of if you make dope music, I'll buy it but if you decide to start singing off key and making turn up music, I'm done. And for the cats on here that are independent artists, what do you expect from your fans?

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Tracklisting:
Buck 50 - Ghostface w/Redman & Method Man
Hittin' Switches - Erick Sermon
Buggin' Out - A Tribe Called Quest
My Crew Don't Go For That - Trigga The Gambler w/Smooth the Hustler
You - Evidence
1, 2 Many - Common
Guerrilla Monsoon Rap - Talib Kweli w/Black Thought & Pharoah Monch
The Actual - All City
Danger - Blahzay Blahzay
Props Over Here - The Beatnuts
It's All On Me - Dr. Dre
Shootouts - Nas
Scottie Pippens - Currensy w/Freddie Gibbs
Crew Love - Beanie Sigel & Memphis Bleek
Taxi - Mos Def w/Whosane

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I don't thinks artists expect you to buy poor music. I think they are referring to when you just stop checking for certain artists, not because they dropped a dud, but because you forgot about them and moved onto the next shiny new artist.

I think a loyal fan will check out your music, a very loyal fan will ALWAYS listen even if you drop some wack stuff. I don't really think artists expect you to purchase bad music though.

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>My question for ya'll is speaking for yourself, which is your
>commitment as a fan of someone? Do you have the "marriage"
>commitment of "no matter what this artist does I'm buying
>their music, going to their shows, etc. or do you agree with
>the "client" philosophy of if you make dope music, I'll buy it
>but if you decide to start singing off key and making turn up
>music, I'm done.


....for some artists there is so much goodwill that I'll always cop their cd even when I know it's not going to be something I love or will stay in rotation long. For example, with The Roots or Common I would never say there's a lack of effort or love for the music behind their past few releases, but for whatever reason their stuff doesn't stick with me long anymore. However, their 90's and early 2000's output was so critical to me that they essentially get a lifetime pass.

I'm seeing both of them in October as well because I know even if the new stuff isn't amazing, they still put on a good show. So for those cats they get an album purchase and I'll attend a show if they're in the area.

I guess it's a sliding-scale type deal. You have some artists who I'm a fan of but it's a case by case judgement call. Who's on production, what are the features, how was your last album, how did those first leaks/singles sound?

Some acts I might abandon buying their albums, but if their discography is deep enough I'll rock at their show.

Others I only supported because they were lucky enough to roll with more talented affiliates and they had dope beats. If they lose the top shelf beats and guests, I'm out.

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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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even if they start to slip you still pay respect because they had a few hits.

Hip Hop fans are straight disrespectful. Even good artist get shitted on because fans get mad at their popularity.

They take the shit too personal IMO.

Take J.Cole... why is he hated on so much? What the fuck has he done wrong? LOL

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That hip-hop fans tend to jump from trend to trend and from hot artist to hot artist.

The majority of hip-hop fans like shit based on what's popular.

It's a catch 22 because if you're an artist and you stay true to what you do, you get shitted on for never evolving.

But on the other hand, if you're someone who tries to stay relevant and keep up with the trends, you get shitted on for "not being real."

The problem is that most hip-hop fans don't know why they like what they like.

There's no real opinion behind what they listen to.

That's probably like artists are like "fuck fans...they're here one day and gone the next" because you can't win.

It's all about what's fresh and hot.

stance too when a hiphop artist tries to step outside of the box they're placed in.

LOTS of people who were riding with Kendrick on GKMC jumped off for TPAB. The "Pour up, Drank" crowd ain't rocking with "I love myself". A lot of the "Bitch don't kill my vibe" contingent ain't feeling "we gon' be alright".

Hiphop suffers as an art form because it gets placed in a box. It's marginalized as club/dance music. No matter what the subject of the song is, it needs to be danceable (at least from most black hiphop artist). But it most likely needs to be rooted in glamor, sex, drugs and violence to be relevant.

And the powers that be won't let anything BUT those topics maintain hiphop's relevancy. For every song you hear about love, you hear 35 degrading the concept and another 90 songs about sex only, for every song you hear about social injustice, you hear 125 glamorizing the drug trade and it's violent offspring.

We aren't the ones signing off on Fetty Wap or Future or Rich Homie Quan or OG Maco or Young Thug or Chief Keef releases.

No other genre has that restriction.

Not to say that there hasn't always been some type of disparity between those types of messages but I think that gap is much wider in todays music climate.

As with most other things in the US regarding black people, it's systemic control/marginalization of the culture/music. Why would someone who, at their core, believes blacks are ignorant, violent and gullible want to provide them with constant messages that say otherwise.

Listen to your local radio stations for 2-3 weeks. Switch back and forth between pop or country radio and urban radio. Take note of the most prevalent themes and general tone of each station. Hiphop is bred to be disposable and dismissive.

And fans oblige...black or white or Asian or Hispanic or otherwise.

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How much to you spend on music per year?

How many albums have you purchase whether it was CD, MP3, Vinyl etc.?

Think the issue simply is people don't out their money where there mouth is...

There are many more people who will talk shit about an artist or the "state of hip hop" etc than will actually support the music they say is "real".

More critics than consumers in the fan-base basically

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And this is what I've ALWAYS wondered....are hip hop fans more fickle then any other fan base? I don't know the Rolling Stone's music like that so did they change up over the years? And no matter what direction they went did the fans AND money follow? Or do cats like Quest compare us hip hop fans to the white Rolling Stones fan because 30 years later they still can sell out stadiums. I look at myself and I listen to a lil bit of any and everything and when it comes to different genres I personally went straight to gospel cause I LOVED CeCe Winans Everlasting Life CD but her follow up didn't do it for me. Why? Well, I learned gospel artist do different forms of gospel music. Her "Everlasting Love" cd was more "crossover gospel" where as her follow up was "praise & worship" which gives you a TOTALLY different vibe. I wasn't feeling it so I didn't buy it. But now I just knew I rock with her when she does THIS style but not when she does THAT style...make sense? It's why I always like how Guru branched off and did Jazzmatazz as a solo thing and not confuse the Gang Starr fans who want that boom bap with this whole album of jazz.

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Word up for rocking that"Props Over Here". Such a dope beat!

2nd- I feel like when you make something dope once, I'll check for you pretty much forever.

I may not buy your music sight unseen/heard(like the younger me)and I may not even buy your music period but I'm always going to at least check the stream/preview/soundcloud/youtube...etc.

After that, what happens next is up to how dope i feel the work is.

One thing we have to note about hip-hop is that alot of times, we get older and out grow it as adults.
my interest level is way lower than it was 20 yrs ago.
Im much more mature but the music is only "a little bit more" mature.

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Good looking fam! That's my 2nd fave Beatnuts banger behind "Watch Out Now." Good looking for checking out the show!

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Since the age of underground artists not being on major labels anymore I see that the west coast artists got die hard fans but when it comes to east coast artists if they aren't on a major label with a video or got their cd in record stores the week it is released fans don't even try to find or buy the artist's album.

Some are surprised that so & so released an album, cause they didn't hear a song on the radio or a video, they say things like "I thought he retired or stop making music" and I be like "they never stopped releasing albums".

Then you have the artists who stay on the concert or small club performance circuit and keep their names in people's minds/mouths and will cop their music at a show but will never go to a record store or online to get their music.

Like you said, some people aren't going to keep buying everything an artist release if they decide to make wack albums or albums with less music they liked than the last one, and with me being dedicated to an artist when you don't have the money to do so is sometimes impossible like Madlib, I'm sorry but I can't, I want to but just can't.

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but you rarely find fans who are accepting an artist's growth from one sub-genre to another.

Take Jay-Z for example. He made his name making records that appealed to the streets and people who appreciate the skill of a great MC, but when he became more pop or bourgeois he changed his fanbase.

Same with The Roots. They made well-crafted traditional hip-hop, but over the years their albums have become less radio friendly and more obscure and they now have a different fanbase then when they started.

Mos' lack of acceptance for The New Danger follows that logic. The album was a decent enough album, but the use of the rock and blues oriented music threw people off.

Fans want the artist to create an album that builds on the expectations of the fans, not necessarily create an album for the fans change their tastes to better understand the creative muse of the act.

Kil's point about an artist being given the privilege of making a work that may use a different influence then their audience is used to, but still has to be high-quality enough or familiar for the fans to like is a good one.

Although, from an artist's position, that is an impossible task.

Yes OutKast recovered from losing some of their fans with ATLiens and building their fanbase from Aquemini to Stankonia. But they also lost those same fans with releasing Idlewild.

Nas made a great follow-up to Illmatic and still lost face with his fans and the press. Tribe had a fanbase that appreciated artistry and the attentive approach the band had to making music , made three classics and lost fans after making Beats, Rhymes, and Life.

And like you said, sometimes the musician just misses the mark (Electric Circus) and no one wants to listen to an album of a musician just doing what they want to do over the course of a record...

I guess that's it. Fans care what the musician makes as long as it pleases them, but if the artist starts to get indulgent or make an album to develop a sound, the majority of music fans lose patience with the artist.

Here's the thing, certain artists I have a certain love for that other artists don't get. For example, I love the Wu and buy damn near any and everything they drop. Now say a group like Mobb Deep doesn't get THAT kind of love. They get the client role you were talking about earlier. If they drop something good then I'll buy it. I think that's the best way I can explain why my dedication to some artists are deeper then to others.