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I think it's kinda evenly matched. All ride the beat well.

Poll result (30 votes) Yasiin Bey (5 votes) Vote Black Thought (16 votes) Vote Eminem (9 votes) Vote

for a couple of reasons

I remember when that aired and Em got the most props then too

but for starters

I'm not as familiar with his catalog

so where BT and Mos are incorporating some lines that we've heard on projects

I can't say that for Em

but mostly

his rappity rap style is made for cyphers and battles

he got that.

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If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

so at the time...it was new material...

Rakim was suppose to be part of this cypher too...

BT covered for his timeframe...

>but mostly
>
>his rappity rap style is made for cyphers and battles
>
>he got that.

Yup. His style is VERY appropriate for freestyles because it is very punchline laden and, many times, the busy beats he chooses tend to dampen the impact of said punchlines.

Come to grips with the fact that most OKP's are of the Nut Hugger lineage, so, if you' re not part of the little cliques that exist 'round here, your posts will probably tank like Souljaboy's album sales.

But I picked Eminem cause it gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling hearing him rhyme in his normal human voice, which has only happened like 5 or 6 times since 2002. Also his rhymes are funny and dope.

But again, all were good. Thought really tore up his verse.

1. Em
2. BT
3. Mos

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"His rhymes are funny and dope" -Brew

"My dick is so big, if I add another inch to it
You would swear when I raped you that you was actually into it" -Em

Tell me what I'm missing.

or even rhymes that I was referring to. You're also missing that you're extremely biased and will continue to pick apart people's thoughts if you happen to strongly dislike an artist.

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You said his verse was funny.

The verse contained a rape joke so it's very fair for me to assume you found that funny.

If you don't list specific lines then you are insinuating that you found every line funny.

And focus on that?

But, since you did bring it up, let's admit it. There is a double standard when it comes to Eminem. He raps about ALL kinds of heinous acts but the media has come to just accept it as Em being Em. Whether that comes from his label being mixed up with some of the larger media outlets is a WHOLE nother issue, but, it is what it is.

Now, if some "black" rappers even allude to "rape" acts or anything close to it, many times just trying to advance their quotes, they're persecuted all over the news and eventually feel the need to apologize.

Nike has never distanced themselves from Eminem, even with all of his questionable content.

Also, where were all these folks when these SAME artists were rapping entire albums about killing other blacks, primarily black males?

Just food for thought.

But, on a closing note, I have a feeling that sexism in America is going to become very much like racism has become. Most folks will pretend to dislike it and not participate in it, but, behind them closed doors we all exhibit some level of it.

Come to grips with the fact that most OKP's are of the Nut Hugger lineage, so, if you' re not part of the little cliques that exist 'round here, your posts will probably tank like Souljaboy's album sales.

Coming from certain sources, anything can be funny. It's kinda like trying to criticize South Park for any of their bits/jokes. Eminem has attacked anything/everything/anyone/everyone with his jokes over the years just as South Park has skewered everyone and everything over the course of their time on the air. While rape isn't funny at all, a joke from a known jokester about the subject isn't exactly offensive to me.

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>Coming from certain sources, anything can be funny. It's
>kinda like trying to criticize South Park for any of their
>bits/jokes. Eminem has attacked
>anything/everything/anyone/everyone with his jokes over the
>years just as South Park has skewered everyone and everything
>over the course of their time on the air. While rape isn't
>funny at all, a joke from a known jokester about the subject
>isn't exactly offensive to me.

A gifted lyricist writes something witty that unfortunately contains a reference to rape acts. You enjoy the wordplay. That should not make you a supporter or advocate of rape.

If that is the case, then all instances of rape in ALL movies should be removed and anyone who watches a movie that contains a rape act and in turn "enjoys" said moive should now be deemed a supporter of rape.

There goes Color Purple and PLENTY of other classics.

But, that's where our society is now. They want you to apologize for every cot damn thing. Don't attack the listener, attack the artist or creator of the work.

Come to grips with the fact that most OKP's are of the Nut Hugger lineage, so, if you' re not part of the little cliques that exist 'round here, your posts will probably tank like Souljaboy's album sales.

>But, that's where our society is now. They want you to
>apologize for every cot damn thing. Don't attack the
>listener, attack the artist or creator of the work.

In this particular case, it's just a guy who hates a particular artist.

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I don't find any of Em's lyrics to be funny or witty and never have.

I have a strong distaste for shock value which is all he is regardless if he can technically make words rhyme.

And I don't give a fuck who makes a rape reference...I'm not feeling it. I said the same shit about Sean P (RIP) when he did it on the Mic Tyson album.

I agree that Em gets away with more so I'm not sure what you were getting at with that. I think it's bullshit that he gets a double standard. If it's wack it's wack to me period.

But you guys can honestly miss me with the "you picked out one line" bullshit because I never liked Em and think he has been terrible since day one when factoring in beat selection, content, and hooks.

Brew said he won because his verse was "funny"...I simply made a comment with the point, I don't find rape jokes funny.

>I agree that Em gets away with more so I'm not sure what you
>were getting at with that. I think it's bullshit that he gets
>a double standard. If it's wack it's wack to me period.

It was just an aside. Just establishing my argument.

>But you guys can honestly miss me with the "you picked out one
>line" bullshit because I never liked Em and think he has been
>terrible since day one when factoring in beat selection,
>content, and hooks.

Okay, so you dislike Em. That's understood. Some of us do.

>Brew said he won because his verse was "funny"...I simply made
>a comment with the point, I don't find rape jokes funny.

"Funny" was just one of the adjectives that he used. He also said, "But I picked Eminem cause it gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling hearing him rhyme in his normal human voice". I don't remember the full verse and I can't listen right now, but I'm pretty sure Em said some other funny stuff throughout that weren't raped based.

But, being that you're not a fan of his, you probably won't be able to appreciate them. Which, in the end is cool. We all have our likes and dislikes. But my issue was with you trying to put Brew on the spot by insinuating that by him finding Em's verse funny, he found rape jokes on a WHOLE funny.

Come to grips with the fact that most OKP's are of the Nut Hugger lineage, so, if you' re not part of the little cliques that exist 'round here, your posts will probably tank like Souljaboy's album sales.

>"Funny" was just one of the adjectives that he used. He also
>said, "But I picked Eminem cause it gives me a warm and fuzzy
>feeling hearing him rhyme in his normal human voice". I don't
>remember the full verse and I can't listen right now, but I'm
>pretty sure Em said some other funny stuff throughout that
>weren't raped based.

Imagine that! Some overall context!


>But, being that you're not a fan of his, you probably won't be
>able to appreciate them. Which, in the end is cool. We all
>have our likes and dislikes. But my issue was with you trying
>to put Brew on the spot by insinuating that by him finding
>Em's verse funny, he found rape jokes on a WHOLE funny.

All this back and forth and it was all that simple.

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It's cool to back peddle on your enjoyment of rape jokes.

It's ok man...you can admit that you misspoke and called a verse that contained a rape joke funny when in fact tape jokes aren't funny

He never specified that bar as being funny, and the warm feeling he described was from hearing em rap in his regular voice. But you can't face losing so you stated that he back peddled when he never actually did. A back peddle would be "I like that rape bar; it's funny" to "I no longer like that rape bar." That never happen. Again, learn how to lose better.

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>He never specified that bar as being funny, and the warm
>feeling he described was from hearing em rap in his regular
>voice. But you can't face losing so you stated that he back
>peddled when he never actually did. A back peddle would be "I
>like that rape bar; it's funny" to "I no longer like that rape
>bar." That never happen. Again, learn how to lose better.

There is no winning and losing on a message board.

And the fact he didn't specify which lines were funny means that he included the rape line into his opinion. He didn't say..."the verse is funny and dope; except for that rape line."

Also, I never mentioned the warm and fuzzy feeling at all.

the conversation could've very easily went like this...

"Em won because his verse is funny and dope"

"So you find rape jokes funny"

"Actually that line isn't cool at all"

Instead dude attacked me for simply asking a question and attempted to turn this into something about me personally and my opinion of Em.

This is a very simple conversation.

>the conversation could've very easily went like this...
>
>"Em won because his verse is funny and dope"
>
>"So you find rape jokes funny"
>
>"Actually that line isn't cool at all"
>
>Instead dude attacked me for simply asking a question and
>attempted to turn this into something about me personally and
>my opinion of Em.
>
>This is a very simple conversation.

It's like you can't even read or something. The conversation *did* go like that but you kept prying. But then later, when people started calling you out for being an obnoxious poster, it's my fault somehow. You must assume that because you can't read or comprehend English, that no one else can either, because you're literally sitting here trying to change the narrative of our conversation when it's right here in writing for everyone to see.

Here's your example of the ideal conversation:
"So you find rape jokes funny"
"Actually that line isn't cool at all"

And here's the ideal conversation that actually took place, word for fucking word:
"So you find rape jokes funny"
"Nope. Never said they were."

I mean....almost literally the exact same conversation. Where is this "attack" you speak of?! You are fucking weird dude.

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>
>Here's your example of the ideal conversation:
>"So you find rape jokes funny"
>"Actually that line isn't cool at all"
>
>And here's the ideal conversation that actually took place,
>word for fucking word:
>"So you find rape jokes funny"
>"Nope. Never said they were."
>
>I mean....almost literally the exact same conversation. Where
>is this "attack" you speak of?! You are fucking weird dude.

I hear a rape line and say "nah I'm not fucking with that verse at all. Shit ain't cool"

You hear one and say "that verse is dope/funny"

You are essentially giving the rape line a pass. And then going on and on claiming that you did not just because you didn't specifically call that one line "funny".

You are claiming because you didn't single out the line that the "funny" comment should not be applied to the entire verse.

I'm claiming that because you didn't single out the line that the "funny" comment IS applied to the entire verse and I'm telling you that you should be more careful with what you co-sign.

You just love to argue. Your self-described ideal conversation and the conversation that actually took place were legitimately exactly the same yet you continued to argue, then later tried to paint me as the bad guy when you got called out on it.

>I hear a rape line and say "nah I'm not fucking with that
>verse at all. Shit ain't cool"
>
>You hear one and say "that verse is dope/funny"
>
>You are essentially giving the rape line a pass. And then
>going on and on claiming that you did not just because you
>didn't specifically call that one line "funny".
>
>You are claiming because you didn't single out the line that
>the "funny" comment should not be applied to the entire verse.
>
>
>I'm claiming that because you didn't single out the line that
>the "funny" comment IS applied to the entire verse and I'm
>telling you that you should be more careful with what you
>co-sign.

Don't tell me what to do.

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Sooner or later you will realize you called a verse which contained a rape line "funny"

Those are the only facts needed.

You can say it's loving to argue all you want...all I'm doing is checking your bullshit and ignorant description of lyrics.

You should get help rather than taking it out on everyone else. You could seriously use some reading comprehension courses too.

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Heard any good rape jokes lately?

>Heard any good rape jokes lately?

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....those guys are comically violent as well ...what MC's would you consider funny?

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Not saying that I've never laughed at an MC but there's not a single rapper that I turn to for jokes.

>Not saying that I've never laughed at an MC but there's not a
>single rapper that I turn to for jokes.

That sucks man.

Anyway, continuing this conversation is futile for all parties because you've already established your position. Literally no matter what jokes the verse contained you would've found a way to force yourself into this conversation just to tell everyone (again) how little you think of Eminem and how much you hate fun.

>I don't find any of Em's lyrics to be funny or witty and
>never have.

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I'm extremely happy. Good job...beautiful wife...awesome son.

How does not laughing at MCs = being miserable?

That's seriously some dumb shit lol.

And this has nothing to do with Em...he just happens to be the one who spit this particular rape lyric.

I don't like the Monch song and find it to be a worthless metaphor.

I don't like the Sean P line.

I tuned out Non-Phixon when I heard them drop one back in the day.

And in the same fashion you're claiming that my mind is made up so the convo is pointless I could say that your mind is made up with this being about me personally as opposed to the music so it's a pointless convo. Not really sure why you're stuck on me and my opinion on Em when this is about rape lyrics.

>Not saying that I've never laughed at an MC but there's not a
>single rapper that I turn to for jokes.


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It's just not my thing. I don't like anything extra and to me that song is extra or shock value.

Just not the way I enjoy my points being proven.

I also don't find shit like Jackass funny. Just not my thing.

But then there's also "not my thing" and then there's shit like rape lines which I think are just wrong period and really don't serve a purpose in any way shape or form.

lmao! I'm with you. that album had me laughing more than a few times.

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Because I stated very clearly that I don't rock with any rape lyrics regardless of who they're from and even mentioned Sean P.

It's cool though.

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When I first heard this, I was taken back by Black Thought's spit. He just beasted this cypher... so naturally raw.

Em is a close 2nd.


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it's really something to admire. Personally I think it's between BT and Em to me.

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mos is such a natural on the mic
flow is just perfect

He routinely kills cyphers because his wordplay is amazing. He says outlandish shit because it garners reactions.

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but as far as the original question, Em and BT tied to me, Mos is close behind. really though, no need to choose cuz they all sounded good.

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word play is only dope when you actually say something, Em gets it on the technical side but when you start rhyming nonsense and saying shit just to say it what's the point.

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>word play is only dope when you actually say something,

This just isn't true at all. In fact I think the exact opposite is closer to the truth.


>Em
>gets it on the technical side but when you start rhyming
>nonsense and saying shit just to say it what's the point.

.....it's called "rapping." Do you only listen to political rap? Serious question.

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I see one dude chasing you in this post lol

You think a rapper saying nonsense just to rhyme is better than a guy using word play to actually make a point or construct a narrative?

and you just restricted my use of the phrase "saying something" to just political rap? Like songs about life, love, crime, or project buildings turning into robots couldn't contain word play? Most political rap doesn't even use that much word play, most of the time they just make straight forward analogies or get very literal in whatever topic they reference so they can stay on subject.

. . .what in the world?


You just had the most narrow minded response to what I said lol, metaphors, similes, analogies and all that good stuff all constitute word play, "I don't rhyme for the sake of riddlin" come on dude, don't throw logic out the window just to cape for Eminem. and restricting that to political rap is an odd point to try and make.

Lupe is the perfect example of somebody with word play who uses it to say something, it speaks more to a rappers skill if they can put words together and actually make a point as opposed to just saying nonsense because the words rhyme, that shit is like grading on a curve. Ok, you can rhyme, but can you make sense nigga? lol

and of course it's rapping, did I not he say he gets it on the technical side? but i don't care how fast a dude can rap or how many polysyllabic phrases he can get out without screwing up, nonsense will never trump logic.

Basically, if two fools are battling nobody is gonna pick the guy saying nonsense just to rhyme with no actual rebuttal to someone using word play that is great and actually making a point to get at their competitor.

When I say nonsense I mean totally pointless, borderline gibberish just for the sake of rhyming, of course you can say that his jokes are the point, but in comparison to Mos & Thought that shit is nonsense.

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>I see one dude chasing you in this post lol

That's a good way to put it. Don't get me started....


>You think a rapper saying nonsense just to rhyme is better
>than a guy using word play to actually make a point or
>construct a narrative?

It's a battle rap/cypher. So yea - I'm judging nothing more than flow and entertainment value. I don't typically look for well constructed storylines and concepts in my battle raps and I'm surprised to know that anyone does.


>and you just restricted my use of the phrase "saying
>something" to just political rap? Like songs about life, love,
>crime, or project buildings turning into robots couldn't
>contain word play? Most political rap doesn't even use that
>much word play, most of the time they just make straight
>forward analogies or get very literal in whatever topic they
>reference so they can stay on subject.
>
>. . .what in the world?

Dude. We're talking about a BET cypher. Not a Roots album. But that said, even if we *are* just talking about the general comment "I don't like rhyming words that say nothing" then you are seriously cutting out a good chunk of rap music. Which is fine, everyone has their preferences. But a lot of Black Thought verses/songs, a lot of Biggie songs, etc....are examples of these great MCs just flowing and saying random shit to get a reaction out of people with no particular aim or endpoint in mind. In fact that's pretty much how the artform was born. MCs' sole purpose was to move the crowd and sound dope, not necessarily say anything profound or deep. So anyway I guess this "I don't like message-less verses" type commentary just surprises me coming from someone who's presumably a fan of hip-hop because of where we're posting.


> You just had the most narrow minded response to what I said
>lol, metaphors, similes, analogies and all that good stuff all
>constitute word play, "I don't rhyme for the sake of riddlin"
>come on dude, don't throw logic out the window just to cape
>for Eminem. and restricting that to political rap is an odd
>point to try and make.

For the record I'm not "caping for Eminem" in fact I haven't been a fan of much of anything he's done since 2009. But good work is good work.

Anyway, fair point about my restricting your comment to "political rap." I'll grant you that. But .... see above.


>Lupe is the perfect example of somebody with word play who
>uses it to say something, it speaks more to a rappers skill if
>they can put words together and actually make a point as
>opposed to just saying nonsense because the words rhyme, that
>shit is like grading on a curve. Ok, you can rhyme, but can
>you make sense nigga? lol

Sure, no doubt. But it takes all kinds man.


>and of course it's rapping, did I not he say he gets it on the
>technical side? but i don't care how fast a dude can rap or
>how many polysyllabic phrases he can get out without screwing
>up, nonsense will never trump logic.

Fair. To each their own. I just didn't see a reason to totally disregard it, is all. There's room for both kinds of MCs, and MCs who can do both.


>Basically, if two fools are battling nobody is gonna pick the
>guy saying nonsense just to rhyme with no actual rebuttal to
>someone using word play that is great and actually making a
>point to get at their competitor.
>
>When I say nonsense I mean totally pointless, borderline
>gibberish just for the sake of rhyming, of course you can say
>that his jokes are the point, but in comparison to Mos &
>Thought that shit is nonsense.

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In a cypher you can get away with rhyming just to rhyme, but that will not fly in a battle. A battle is just a debate with rhymes, you actually have to make sense and get at your opponent. Battles now are basically spoken word where each response needs to be witty and outdo the next guys, nonsense is not going to win a battle. The jokes/insults/punchlines you hear in battle raps make sense, so I think it's wrong to lump that in with a cypher which is more about displaying skill/having fun as opposed to actually competing against someone. Tracks like "the bitch in yoo" and "no vaseline" show that on the beef/recording side of it.

but did you insinuate if I don't favor nonsense I'm not a fan of hip hop? *gloves off* lol

Rakim.

Hip Hop was valued more and taken seriously with songs like "the message" or Criminal Minded, so yes, people do favor logic over nonsense imo because it's the complexity in lyricism used to make points and put out messages that I think most people do place highly above jokes or saying shit just to say it. We all know hip hop started as party rhymes but there's a reason we have a biopic for N.W.A. and not The Sugar Hill Gang.

When rhyming started to get more complex those ol' dudes like Busy-Bee started to get clowned for not stepping it up.

Ludacris is funny and that's the same reason people say he's underrated, cracking jokes ain't getting a nigga in that top 5 conversation, but as dude above stated, Eminem gets a pass on the rape jokes right along with saying a lot of bullshit but still being placed in that conversation. But when Luda wanted to be taken seriously and get his name in that convo he dropped the slapstick for two whole albums. He made a song with Hov & Nas, not exactly known for their joke cracking lol

DOOM says some hilarious stuff too, but I think if people valued the nonsense and funny business as much as you paint them out to peoples top 5 lists would look totally different. There's a place for it all of course, sales have always reflected that.

I'm not totally knocking funny rappers or dudes who just say shit for the sake of it, I couldn't enjoy Supreme Clientele if I tried to make sense out of most of that lol. I just think it's pretty self evident that logical rhymes and messages have been valued more than party and bullshit, we all like Slick Rick, Method Man, Devin the Dude, Red Man, etc

but I refer to Ghost because I remember interviewers straight up asking him to explain the "strawberry kiwi" line, but at the end of the day I think the song people love most from him is "All That I Got Is You" something sad that made sense.

I think real heads go for the logical rhymes or good story telling while it's the casual people who like the bs more.

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I just wanted to see if I could make a good case for my point lol

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And not that I mind random shit being said in a verse, but damn at least try to provide
some kind of tie-in from one thought to the next and do something more than say
sentences where every word rhymes

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but ONLY because that thought verse is off "Doin it Again", which I love and have listened to 1000 times. Em got his off, but Mos was really good on this.

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