another obvious example would be canibus and bink!/erick sermon.
with the buzz generated in 1997 by "beasts from the east" & "4,3,2,1" - it's really strange that bink!/erick sermon did not get a single placement on either of canibus' first two albums.
7. "RE: rappers can pick the beats they want to rap on. lol." In response to Reply # 4
not all the way true...
especially if you are signed to a producer a la eminem or wyclef..
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When you sign with another artist and they are the ones telling you how to do this and that, then it's their decision how your album is going to go down and Wyclef made sure it was his executive ideas and people he wanted to work with to get placement for Canibus' album.
What gets me is how Canibus was signed to Lost Boyz management, just think if his first album had production from Mr. Sexxx & Bink Dawg did on his first album, it probably would've been much better but that's how things go down when you dealing with managers and executives.
Same goes for Obie, Eminem has control over his album and I guess we already know Em has never been a good producer but MoSS is and maybe that was a situation between both of them, cause I can see Em wanting to keep the production within his circle instead; but you might notice that when Obie left Shady his 3rd album "Special Reserve" was produced entirely but MoSS.
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17. "RE: Egg-Zazk-Lee" In response to Reply # 16 Mon Aug-03-15 04:36 PM by Remedial
>Same goes for Obie, Eminem has control over his album and I >guess we already know Em has never been a good producer but >MoSS is and maybe that was a situation between both of them, >cause I can see Em wanting to keep the production within his >circle instead; but you might notice that when Obie left Shady >his 3rd album "Special Reserve" was produced entirely but >MoSS.
You're right, but, I'm still like, Obie could have been like, at least give my man a bonus track on the Japanese or Eurpoean release. Something. I do understand that most contracts are pretty ironclad, but, if you push hard enough you're many times able to get SOME allotments unless it's spelled out that ALL production has to be handled in house.
Either way, speaking of Obie, I just remembered this track that was on his Most Underrated mixtape from '07.
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22. "Such an odd pairing" In response to Reply # 16
>When you sign with another artist and they are the ones >telling you how to do this and that, then it's their decision >how your album is going to go down and Wyclef made sure it was >his executive ideas and people he wanted to work with to get >placement for Canibus' album. > >What gets me is how Canibus was signed to Lost Boyz >management, just think if his first album had production from >Mr. Sexxx & Bink Dawg did on his first album, it probably >would've been much better but that's how things go down when >you dealing with managers and executives.
I eff with the Fugees and "The Carnival", but Canibus working with Wyclef always seemed a strange combination.
__ I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!
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28. "i have to chime in on this point..." In response to Reply # 16 Mon Aug-03-15 10:18 PM by Busta Rhymes
>What gets me is how Canibus was signed to Lost Boyz >management, just think if his first album had production from >Mr. Sexxx & Bink Dawg did on his first album, it probably >would've been much better but that's how things go down when >you dealing with managers and executives.
if memory serves me correct, before becoming a rapper canibus was actually lost boyz manager with charles suitt on their first 2 records.
he and charles suitt founded 'group home', which i believe was an actual subsidy label distributed through universal that lost boyz, a+, canibus, panama p.i. (and i think herb mcgruff) were all inked to in the late 90's.
he was 50/50 split owner of the imprint he was signed to + his mans charles suitt was VP of A&R for universal urban by that time in 1998.
so, he would have had plenty of leeway to get bink!, e. sermon, no id, whoever else... he just entrusted everything to wyclef/jerry wonder who were not nearly as talented rap producers as their PR in 1998 would've lead someone to believe.
5. "I don't know about Obie on that." In response to Reply # 0
For his first album you could make an argument for Moss being on there, but most of the beats was done by his boss. Then the other producers were Dre,Fredwreck,Emile & Timbaland....I can't really hate on that.
Second album might be the best case for Moss being on it more...but after the shooting who knows where Obie's mind was.
Red Spyda had WAY more of an industry presence than MOSS, so, getting a Red Spyda track on an album was more feasible than getting a no named cat on there.
By the way, what ever happened to Red Spyda. That man's drums was NICE.
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12. "This is pretty common, because the label who sings them wants to" In response to Reply # 0
sell records by having "names" involved in the production of the album. New artists just getting put on don't usually have much creative control on the first album. If they actually get to do a second album they may have more creative control. But if they are doing a second then the first was likely somewhat successful so they may want to stick with a similar formula.
...first cat to come to mind, Guru is nice, even dug a lot of the Jazzmatazz ish, but eventually he turned his back on the cat he made the best stuff with...
15. "RE: rapper gets 'on' and turns back on the producer who made them hot" In response to Reply # 0
Jeru? I mean after 2 full LPs of some of Primos finest then nada?
I mean I remember a Source interview where he said he didn't even want or like Pete Rocks "Prophet" remix...meanwhile I was like wtf?!? U must be really feeling yourself if PR was not good enough for you...then to never collab wth Primo ever again seems kinda suspect no?
19. "I think Primo stopped messing with him..." In response to Reply # 15
>Jeru? I mean after 2 full LPs of some of Primos finest then >nada? > >I mean I remember a Source interview where he said he didn't >even want or like Pete Rocks "Prophet" remix...meanwhile I was >like wtf?!? U must be really feeling yourself if PR was not >good enough for you...then to never collab wth Primo ever >again seems kinda suspect no?
If Primo didn't stop messing with him before those comments were released, he surely did after.
All I'll say is, where's Jeru today? Surely somewhere regretting those decisions.
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20. "double post..." In response to Reply # 19 Mon Aug-03-15 04:46 PM by Remedial
n/m
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23. "RE: I think Primo stopped messing with him..." In response to Reply # 19 Mon Aug-03-15 06:10 PM by dj serv1
Yeah I guess that must be the case...
Meanwhile on Primos Instagram today he posted rolling up on Romania and Jeru is onstage doin "Da Bitchez" lol
And yes I'm sure J has been up many a night asking himself what if??? (A third would be a nice trilogy right?) I mean I can count only one true banger since w/o Primo and that's "El Presidente" (Dj Honda)
21. "First off, great post..." In response to Reply # 0
I LOVE producer focused topics.
The first person that came to mind to me was Rashad who was/is Stalley's producer. After the commercial reissue of the Lincoln Way Nights mixatpe, most of the random stuff he release were non-Rashad affiliated. Started seeing a lot of Block Beattaz productions, etc..
I was very afraid that he had dropped Rashad for producers with bigger names, but luckily they reconnected on Ohio, which is CRIMINALLY slept on.
Damn Jackin' Chevys was a horrible first single and the video for Always Into Something, a great song in it's own right, was wack as HELL.
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31. "RE: The entire Wu-Tang Clan" In response to Reply # 30
Nah…no one will admit it, but RZA fell off….maybe not fell off, but decided to go another direction with his career, and he put production on the back burner…
32. "MAJORLY fell off. ever heard their 3rd lp?" In response to Reply # 31
>Nah…no one will admit it, but RZA fell off….maybe not >fell off, but decided to go another direction with his career, >and he put production on the back burner…
33. "As per Questo.....RZA was an accidental tourist." In response to Reply # 31 Wed Aug-05-15 01:13 AM by denny
Fact is....he could never make beats. He kinda got lucky in the sense that his flaws (having no sense of rhythm and no ear and no technical knowledge of making music) ended up resulting in a style that people liked. Ie low-fi, 'grimy', woozy and off-rhythm loops. Which is perfectly legitimate....but it always results in a one-trick pony act that can't grow into anything else. Some people KNOW the rules before they break them. RZA ain't like that. He never knew the rules before he broke them.
The proof is in the pudding. It makes complete sense to me that he fell off.
34. "i don't agree with that 100%." In response to Reply # 33 Wed Aug-05-15 01:15 AM by Busta Rhymes
the k.o. combination of "chessboxin", "nuthin' to f wit", "cream", "m.e.t.h.o.d. man", "protect ya neck", "tearz", "7th chamber remix" was a little more than a 'lucky break'.
that's arguably the best succession of great rap songs (all with stand-alone potential) on any rap album ever made.
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