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Nick Has a Problem...Seriously
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"Poll question: OB4CL... vs Reasonable Doubt"
Fri Jul-31-15 09:32 AM by Nick Has a Problem..

  

          

Just saw a comment over in GD that said RD > OB4CL... Which album do you prefer? Speak on it

Poll result (72 votes)
The Purple Tape (54 votes)Vote
Hov's Debut (18 votes)Vote

  

  

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OB4CL
Jul 31st 2015
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Yeah, Purple Tape and its not close
Jul 31st 2015
2
c'mon..
Jul 31st 2015
3
It's funny how no one who voted RD has replied.
Aug 01st 2015
8
      haha, still!
Aug 03rd 2015
18
#TROL-LOL-LOL
Jul 31st 2015
4
im embarassed for those who voted Hov
Jul 31st 2015
5
The one that had Verbal Intercourse.
Jul 31st 2015
6
^
Aug 03rd 2015
19
Reasonable Doubt is not a top tier album yo
Aug 01st 2015
7
purple tape. all. damn. day.
Aug 01st 2015
9
Not really very close. n/m
Aug 01st 2015
10
lol
Aug 01st 2015
11
RE: OB4CL... vs Reasonable Doubt
Aug 01st 2015
12
OB4CL easily
Aug 01st 2015
13
OB4CL birthed RD and to keep it all the way 100
Aug 01st 2015
14
So true.
Aug 04th 2015
25
      Man don't get me started.
Aug 04th 2015
26
RE: OB4CL... vs Reasonable Doubt
Aug 01st 2015
15
Because you couldn't stop playing OB4CL
Aug 03rd 2015
16
Of course...you're an industry cat
Aug 03rd 2015
22
      RE: Of course...you're an industry cat
Aug 04th 2015
27
There is no album fuckin' with the Purple Tape.
Aug 03rd 2015
17
OB4CL and Reasonable Doubt are both dear to my hip-hop heart
Aug 03rd 2015
20
OB4CL
Aug 03rd 2015
21
RE: OB4CL... vs Reasonable Doubt
Aug 03rd 2015
23
the purple tape and it's not even anywhere close to being close
Aug 04th 2015
24
OB4cl is ranked higher in the canon. But I listen to RD more
Aug 04th 2015
28
DTS
Aug 04th 2015
29
I was never really into OB4CL
Aug 04th 2015
30
How is this even up for debate?
Aug 05th 2015
31
This really isn't a fair fight
Aug 05th 2015
32
peep the avi
Aug 07th 2015
33

Mack
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1. "OB4CL"
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In the interest of fair disclosure, I am a certified Jay-Z hater...mostly because he made Reasonable Doubt. Not that Reasonable Doubt is bad, but that it is very good so obviously he can make really good albums...but knows he can fart over a beat and sell millions so mostly does that and just gives us glimpses from time to time.

That being said, this was a tough choice, but Ice Cream is 1,000,000 times better than Ain't No so if anyone's having a difficult time deciding, there's your deciding factor.

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2. "Yeah, Purple Tape and its not close"
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I'm not one of those people who say, "Oh, no one liked Reasonable Doubt when it first dropped," but I will say it doesn't compare to OB4CL at all. At all. OB4CL is in the top 0.1% of every hip-hop album released ever. RD... is not.

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3. "c'mon.."
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8. "It's funny how no one who voted RD has replied."
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18. "haha, still!"
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seriously, who's voting RD???

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4. "#TROL-LOL-LOL"
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5. "im embarassed for those who voted Hov"
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Dick riders.

And let's be clear: if you were around in 95, Hov voters embarass you as much as they embarass me.

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6. "The one that had Verbal Intercourse."
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19. "^"
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7. "Reasonable Doubt is not a top tier album yo"
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Jay really has people hypnotized with this shit.

And I say that while really liking Reasonable Doubt and giving it the classic status.

But it is not on that top tier.

Cuban Linx is.

That's all there is to it.

  

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9. "purple tape. all. damn. day. "
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10. "Not really very close. n/m"
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11. "lol"
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I mean, look
I love RD.
it's still my favorite Jay-Z album
(largely because) it's as close to unfiltered, un-fussed with Jay-Z we'll ever get on record.

but Jay siced that album himself after he blew up with subsequent albums. it was a hit but it wasn't the monster OB4CL was in that period.

OB4CL I believe is the reason Wu Tang still "eats" until this day. its legend casts a shadow 20 years later. it's a tremendous album, and a lot of people loved it for so many different reasons. the tape was purple. Ghostface went from being that dude who hid his face behind a stocking to a guy you might want to hear an entire album of his songs. the purple tape. the "Mafioso" imagery that was copied ad nauseum for the 2-3 years following. one of the reasons heads who hated the late '90s and early/mid Aughties rap trends clung so tightly to that mid-'90s sweet spot

hell, Reasonable Doubt is a production line copy of this album (and Illmatic)

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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12. "RE: OB4CL... vs Reasonable Doubt"
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Not even close.

  

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13. "OB4CL easily"
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I honestly would take half of OB4CL over the whole of RD and I love RD but OB4CL is just on another level from 99.99% of rap albums I have heard

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14. "OB4CL birthed RD and to keep it all the way 100"
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RD is JAY-Z's best album but not better than the contemporaries of his time.

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25. "So true."
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Jay placed himself in the convo years later. He has a great understanding of how culture is influenced and history is shaped. He cheated his way into elite status. Lol

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26. "Man don't get me started."
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15. "RE: OB4CL... vs Reasonable Doubt"
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I listen to RD more... now..

but back then it still took me 2 yrs to listen to RD.

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16. "Because you couldn't stop playing OB4CL"
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22. "Of course...you're an industry cat"
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27. "RE: Of course...you're an industry cat"
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Tue Aug-04-15 12:43 PM by double 0

          

Man I was just an Ivy Leaguer then.. lol

No industry..

I feel like I was just a little too old to catch the Rawkus wave (My brother did though 3 yrs younger) and too young to really funk with the Wu Tang wave (cats 2-3 yrs older did though). The 1st time I saw Wu Tang perform though was actually my first concert period.. and it was in the High School gym. Intro (Yes R&B group Intro) opened


BUT

I was REALLY on my shiny suit shit back then though.. cant deny it.. lol.... Oversized Avirexs and beef & broccoli's.. Omnipoint Flip phones

For whatever reason I just funked with Method Man more out of the Clan (at that time). Shit he was doing on Tical just spoke to teenage me more.

EDIT: Since I am old I looked at stuff released that year.. I can say that The Infamous was probably definitely rocking a little too heavy out the tape deck that year/summer as well.

Ice Cream was Song of The Summer though without a doubt

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17. "There is no album fuckin' with the Purple Tape."
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Mon Aug-03-15 12:44 PM by Ron

  

          

Funny shit is in 1993 I placed Rae and Ghost slightly ahead of UGod and Masta Killah in the Wu hierarchy. 22 years later, they're solidly 1a and 1b, and co-creators of the greatest album in hip hop history. Life is funny.

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20. "OB4CL and Reasonable Doubt are both dear to my hip-hop heart"
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But OB4CL is one of those super-classic, pillars of the genre albums.


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21. "OB4CL"
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I mean, come on.

Just because one was a BETTER album doesn't make the other less of a classic in it's own right.

  

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23. "RE: OB4CL... vs Reasonable Doubt"
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OB4CL is flawless and I like it more now than when i first heard it.

RD falls off here and there.

Played ATLiens, Cuban Linx and RD in a row today. The first two are 5/5, flawless albums that are probably in my personal and objective top 5 hip-hop albums.

Reasonable Doubt has 2-3 skippable songs (espec "Aint No") and was a noticeable fall off from the first two.

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24. "the purple tape and it's not even anywhere close to being close"
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28. "OB4cl is ranked higher in the canon. But I listen to RD more "
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Jay is just a more entertaining MC in my book

  

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29. "DTS"
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30. "I was never really into OB4CL"
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....loved the MC's, wasn't really excited about the music....I know I'm in the minority, but since someone said folks voting for RD weren't speaking up....

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31. "How is this even up for debate? "
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Anybody that said RD was a widely regarded classic when it first came out is nuts. As mentioned above, Jay really broke with Vol. 2, which was surprising considering how Vol. 1 was received (Sunshine, like Nas' Street Dreams, probably wasn't a great choice. Though it should be said that neither Vol. 1 or IWR was as bad as some fans make them out to be. But that's another post). After that album, and especially after Blueprint, his back catalog got waaaaay more shine and appreciation.

As for the purple tape, I wasn't on #teamrae&ghost, as I was a big GZA fan. But that album fit them perfectly, top to bottom. I always considered that one his Livin' Proof, as it were, as up to that point I didn't really care one way or another about Rae on the mic (though even on a bad bay he's worlds better than Dap or Mal). That album was a banger from the jump, and still kind of the standard by which both Rae and Ghost's work is judged (though Ghost may still be trying to match Supreme Clientele for most people).

Bottom line, OB4CL is, was, and always will be better that RD

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32. "This really isn't a fair fight"
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It's like one dude versus a whole fucking clan, literally. Except for dirt dog, every member of the 10 (including Cappa) came through. And Ghost was on just about every track. Wu at their prime, RZA at his producing prime, Nas coming on to wreck a track. The pioneering impact this had on the genre is undeniable. The shit was so banging no one even mentions those two throwaway tracks at the end.

I haven't thought through my definitive Top 10/Top 15 Albums list. But I know that Black on Both Sides and OB4CL are in the top 5 of any list.

  

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