71. "RE: I heard the Symphony both parts, Me & the Biz, Music man" In response to Reply # 65
I have more than once convinced myself that "brainiac dumb-dumb, bust the scientifical" was a B-Real verse intro. Listen to Jeep Ass Niguh and if you don't hear the comparison before Ace says, "Mira, mira, mayng!" then it just may be one of those things you don't hear that others do.
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48. "That's how I thought until I finally heard Disposable Arts" In response to Reply # 36
>but whatever Masta Ace has done for him isn't "overwhelming" >to me. > >'cause Em is known for fast rhyming, yelling, comedy, weird >voices, etc. Beastie Boys type stuff
And all of that went out the window. The influence on Em couldn't have been clearer.
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3. "EVERY Masta Ace album is a GREAT album..." In response to Reply # 0
...he's not considered top 5 because there are others that are better than him ...top 10 or at LEAST top 20 is where this legendary MC should be placed.
>I been here for a while (the Lesson) haven't heard anybody >talk about Masta Ace's voice, delivery or classic lines.
Well there has been a few who did list him in their top 10 but that's been a long time since a slew of rappers/emcees have emerged in the past 10 years.
I like Masta Ace, loved "Slaughtahouse" but he' never been that emcee who had flow like Pharoahe Monch or Blackthought, excitement like Busta Rhymes, or fast rhyming like Treach or Chip-Fu, or crazy wordplay like Redman or Ghostface; Masta Ace is just a kat who was lucky to be among a crew of other dope emcees..he's like Inspectah Deck of the Wu, he got dope verses but never outshines the other members of the Wu when they spit.
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had a memorable presence, on or off the mic. Jazzmatazz wouldn't exist if it was really all about Primo's beats. Guru was just fly dude, he actually made being older & more mature look cool. And most of his songs were about something, it wasn't just a collection of cool verses. I don't think you can really grasp Guru's overall impact if you weren't listening to rap in the early 90's.
16. "That's bs young boy shit. The Jazmatazz series alone was might have " In response to Reply # 7
>To most he succeeded due to having Premier. I hear Ace >mentioned more than him.
been just as successful than Masta Ace was during that time period. Post 2000 Masta Ace was making better music than Guru, but by that time Ace had little to no mainstream notoriety. Ace didn't even have any music out between 1996-2000.
17. "RE: That's bs young boy shit. The Jazmatazz series alone was might have..." In response to Reply # 16
>>To most he succeeded due to having Premier. I hear Ace >>mentioned more than him. > >been just as successful than Masta Ace was during that time >period. >Post 2000 Masta Ace was making better music than Guru, but by >that time Ace had little to no mainstream notoriety. Ace >didn't even have any music out between 1996-2000. > >Let my love slide in and never slip out
He's in my top 30. I'm just saying that I have seen posts on this site that said that about Guru.
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18. "Of course. Ace had an internet popular album in 2001, Guru wasn't very " In response to Reply # 17
>>>To most he succeeded due to having Premier. I hear Ace >>>mentioned more than him. >> >>been just as successful than Masta Ace was during that time >>period. >>Post 2000 Masta Ace was making better music than Guru, but >by >>that time Ace had little to no mainstream notoriety. Ace >>didn't even have any music out between 1996-2000. >> >>Let my love slide in and never slip out > >He's in my top 30. I'm just saying that I have seen posts on >this site that said that about Guru.
good anymore. If you (not you but the people saying that) got familiar with both artists in the internet forum era, then Masta Ace was hands down the superior artist. But both artists were a bit past their heyday at that point.
12. "Guru & LL are also part of that top 20 crew..." In response to Reply # 5
....there's too many great MCs to fit them all into a top 5 or 10 list ...it should be an honor to be ranked top 50, and even then you'd have to leave great ones out
>....there's too many great MCs to fit them all into a top 5 >or 10 list ...it should be an honor to be ranked top 50, and >even then you'd have to leave great ones out
Those spots fill up fast once you sit down and start down naming folks.
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9. "1. He's in my top 10...but to answer your question" In response to Reply # 0
His cadence compared to the other top members is very basic. Now mind you...this is his strength. His punches are not the most complex but they are consistent.
His strength is his albums. When he is manning the show solo, you are guaranteed to get a well thought out concept that stands on its own.
I mean...how many artists could give you Slaughterhouse, Disposable Arts, A Long Hot Summer and Son of Yvonne in the same career?
But that's the thing...he's not a fireworks rapper.
He is the Emmett Smith of Hip Hop...and I don't think that's a bad person to be.
10. "I like Ace a lot but he's not top 3 in the Juice Crew" In response to Reply # 0
>Because he has no great albums? No radio play? How does Kool >G. Rap get more mention then him though? > >Seems like soo many lesser MCs get more mentions than Masta >Ace.
We talk about Kane, G Rap & Biz Markie's work before his. Even Shan has had bigger moments than Ace did, realistically. And Trag moves me more than Ace, but catalog wise I'll go with Ace. Main problem is there's no "it" factor, no star power. The talent was always there, but his rap persona isn't all that interesting. Being a great "everyman" rapper only takes you so far.
11. "RE: Why is Masta Ace not generally in Top 5 GOAT convos?" In response to Reply # 0
Can't call it, brother is NICE with it, and his longevity as a quality MC is almost unmatched….so creative with the concepts, great ear for beats, truly a legend…top 10...
14. "There were two better mcs than him on Symphony " In response to Reply # 0
And you weren't calling g rap lesser right? █▆▇▅▇█▇▆▄▁▃ Big PEMFin H & z's "I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles
"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."
>And you weren't calling g rap lesser right? >█▆▇▅▇█▇▆▄▁▃ >Big PEMFin H & z's >"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 >thing, a musician." � Miles > >"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."
25. "^^This I can clap to" In response to Reply # 15
>Meaning, still legendary with a pretty bulletproof >discography. > Ace has always been one of my favorite MCs since the Juice Crew days. Even if he never reached the highs of other MCs, either commercially or artistically, he has always been a force to be reckoned with, and really hasn't had a bad album. Besides, if Em STILL gives you major props for his style, you can't beat that co-sign. Without it, though, he's still a legend, hands down
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21. "RE: Why is Masta Ace not generally in Top 5 GOAT convos?" In response to Reply # 0
>Because he has no great albums? No radio play? How does Kool >G. Rap get more mention then him though? > >Seems like soo many lesser MCs get more mentions than Masta >Ace. > > >********** >"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then >they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson > > >"One of the most important things in life is what Judge >Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to >whether you're
Easy answer. He's nowhere near top 5. He's great but c'mon already. And his post Sittin On Chrome stuff is wildly overrated.
26. "I am never NOT in the mood to hear Ace..." In response to Reply # 0
like, it never happens. I personally don't try to rank rappers...I just enjoy what I enjoy. It works better for me. Dude is amazing, though. Disposable Arts is one of my favorite albums of LIFE.
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-DJ R-Tistic- Member since Nov 06th 2008 51986 posts
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28. "I think it's interesting that his three biggest radio hits sound more G-..." In response to Reply # 0
than anything else he's done. So it kinda throws his perception off...a real Masta Ace fan could ask someone if they like him, and the average person is like "yeaaaa, Born to roll is my shittttttttttttttt!!!!!" and they're like "oh...you like Disposable arts too?" N they'd say "what's that?"
29. "RE: I think it's interesting that his three biggest radio hits sound mor..." In response to Reply # 28
>than anything else he's done. So it kinda throws his >perception off...a real Masta Ace fan could ask someone if >they like him, and the average person is like "yeaaaa, Born to >roll is my shittttttttttttttt!!!!!" and they're like "oh...you >like Disposable arts too?" N they'd say "what's that?"
a real Masta Ace fan would tell you Disposable Arts is overrated, has spotty/tinny production and ain't even seeing Take a Look Around let alone Slaughterhouse.
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31. "Interesting, so that means it's like three types of fans?" In response to Reply # 29
>>than anything else he's done. So it kinda throws his >>perception off...a real Masta Ace fan could ask someone if >>they like him, and the average person is like "yeaaaa, Born >to >>roll is my shittttttttttttttt!!!!!" and they're like >"oh...you >>like Disposable arts too?" N they'd say "what's that?" > > > >a real Masta Ace fan would tell you Disposable Arts is >overrated, has spotty/tinny production and ain't even seeing >Take a Look Around let alone Slaughterhouse. > > >
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40. "I forget that I am in L.A. Born to roll, INC Ride, and Sittin on chrome ..." In response to Reply # 37
the ONLY songs that got play here on radio. I saw some of the others on Rap City/Yo! and learned about the rest once the internet was poppin in 99-2000.
41. "Sittin on Chrome got some mix show love here.. great song" In response to Reply # 40 Fri Jun-19-15 02:13 PM by My_SP1200_Broken_Aga
....but Born to Roll was just a late west coast remix to the original Jeep Ass Honkey (which got some play along with b-side SNL)..i remember being disappointed when i found it wasn't actually a brand new song
..I love the SOC album though ..its more boom bap than west coast, but lots of people here hated on Ace and dismissed it based on the singles
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44. "Ah, yeah I didn't hear Jeep ass honkey until maybe 6-7 years ago" In response to Reply # 41
and yeah, the album itself is still very Boom Bap aside from the singles.
>....but Born to Roll was just a late west coast remix to the >original Jeep Ass Honkey (which got some play along with >b-side SNL)..i remember being disappointed when i found it >wasn't actually a brand new song > >..I love the SOC album though ..its more boom bap than west >coast, but lots of people here hated on Ace and dismissed it >based on the singles > >
46. "funny how we have grown to understand/appreciate this" In response to Reply # 30
I used to argue Kweli vs. Nelly and it really got me upset. But when you see things from a bigger perspective. That rappity rap is only gonna make an mc "your favorite rappers - favorite rapper"
I ain't mad no more. I like lyrics. Some people don't like to think and listen (or listen and then think and rewind) and thats fine. I like an album that I can listen to 5 years later and hear something new, because I have learned something new and can now understand a line I've heard 100 times before (or just google it the 1st time).
I'm ranting. Could go on forever but...some music ain't for some people...
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Fri Jun-19-15 04:26 PM
45. "5? that's a bit rich, and i love ace." In response to Reply # 0
5 is rarified air tho.
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56. "RE: Who has Masta Ace higher than Eminem?" In response to Reply # 51
…I do, and it's not even close imo….Ace is much more diverse, and has grown as an artist….Eminem, while skilled, is still on that juvenile ish…very tired, a different universe
60. "WAY higher..." In response to Reply # 51 Tue Jun-23-15 09:58 AM by My_SP1200_Broken_Aga
...Eminem falls into that Tongue Twista, Chip Fu type category: amazing display of skill, but the music is meh (no offense to chip fu, a solo in 92 might have been cool)
54. "Masha Ace has slept on classic albums" In response to Reply # 0
>Because he has no great albums? No radio play? How does Kool >G. Rap get more mention then him though?
Disposable Arts and A Long Hot Summer are great, classic albums. Radio doesn't play the vets from the golden era so that's not a slight any way you look at it.
Ace is a such a legend that he's in the conversation with people from that golden era still putting out music like Hov (put out his first tape in 86 with Jaz), LL, G Rap, etc.
57. "underrated by most, overrated on the internet" In response to Reply # 0
never totally understood the hype over long hot summer, though i was a BIG fan of his first 2 albums. he seems to have become quite whimsical, and cutesy even since the 3rd album, so ive kinda tuned out.
73. "Impact/influence (or lack thereof)" In response to Reply # 0
I figure the most influential thing Ace did was being a big pioneer of his self-titled "onbeat/offbeat" style and his rhyme patterns are pretty advanced for his era. Still, G Rap had great rhyme patterns at the same time and is a hardcore rap pioneer.
Ace influenced cats like Eminem and probably many more
But G Rap has a legion of great emcees who either directly cite him as an influence (Pun) or who folks generally consider to be influenced by him (Nas, and indirectly everyone influenced by Nas' style).
Can Ace be credited with the first concept album with Slaughterhouse or did someone beat him to it?
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