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"SOUL TRAIN help & info needed..."
Sun Jun-07-15 07:05 AM by Voodoochilde

          

so remember a few years back, old full episodes of Soul Train would air on TV? (i'm talking the real good old ones from the 70s and early 80's). Well, of course i filled up my DVR with a bunch of them, with plans of archiving them all to DVD at some point for safe keeping and re-watching over and over as i like to do. i mean, thats history right?

anyway, while i did periodically burn episodes to DVD, i hadn't gotten through ALL of them. in fact i hadn't even burned half of them yet. So, as of last week, i still had a BUNCH on the DVR that i had NOT archived to DVD yet ....


enter my sorrow...

well...i found out the hard way that those recordings you captured on DVR years ago won't stay there forever ya'll...looked on my DVR today and all of my Soul Train eps are gone...ALL of em. just gone. apparently there is a time-frame that the DVR will keep a recording and apparently those Soul Train episodes timed out....

so...

after a few drinks i'm thinking. well damn...of course i'd friggin pay for full episodes of Soul Train (circa 1970s especially...and early 1980s too) if they were made available on DVD or Blu Ray...i'm sure some are available by now aren't they?

...of COURSE they aren't...

arrggghhh!!

i assume they aren't available for a variety of reasons....some probably related to Artists rights etcetc...but honestly...somehow, some way we have to make this happen...

i want the SHOWS...the FULL episodes** (or whatever is left of the full episodes).
If, in some cases, the owner of the artist doesn't wanna allow their artists footage to be included...ok give me the REST of the episode withOUT the artist...i don't care...i want the shows...the dancers, the line, the scramble board...some of the time-accurate commercials..bring it...

for me it was the SHOW itself...the 'time capsule' that it was....THATs what was the most magic to me. Sure it would be fantastic if the full episodes INCLUDING ALL artists could be purchased, but if only SOME of the artists can be shown due to rights issues, i'm ok with that....but, this is a time capsule of a great part of history here....its something we should be able to enjoy and revisit together....

how do we make this happen?
Does the Late Don's estate still own the rights?
is this already in the works? (or at least is someone in the inner circle of ownership talking about it?)

Is it a possibility for the future, or is it a pipe dream of a soon to be lost past?



**(and no, the Best Of compilation DVDs out there will not do for me....i don't want clips...i want each FULL episode from opening to closing. ideally i want them chronologically by show number too, so that i can collect them all. nice try, but...)
....


have you listened to
her stuff?
v
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Subject Author Message Date ID
i work for soul train
Jun 07th 2015
1
If the show was shown exclusively on Netflix: BOOM!
Jun 07th 2015
2
and thanks for the scoop on this David Walker guy too....
Jun 07th 2015
4
      It has never been released, properly or otherwise
Jun 08th 2015
6
you just made my day man...
Jun 07th 2015
3
Soul Train TV.....
Jun 07th 2015
5
don't quote me boy cause i aint say "^^^^^!!!!!!!"
Jun 08th 2015
7
you're doing God's work my brother...n/m
Jun 11th 2015
10
RE: Soul Train TV.....
Jun 08th 2015
8
Can we get a hint?
Feb 10th 2016
12
I would kill for the first 5 seasons on DVD
Jun 10th 2015
9
Anyone heard any updates on when/if The Train is coming in for a stop?
Feb 09th 2016
11
my experience here on OKP
Feb 10th 2016
13
      In other words, hunt down those Japanese rips that circulate n/m
Feb 11th 2016
14
so Soul Train doesn't come on Aspire any more???
Feb 13th 2016
15
we almost done clearing.
Feb 13th 2016
16
      cool.... thanks man.... n/m
Feb 14th 2016
17
      oh it's ON now!
Feb 14th 2016
18
Checkin back in on this one....
Nov 30th 2017
19
Still Hoping For Season Box Sets
Dec 01st 2017
20
Season Box Sets...THAT would be my preference too
Dec 01st 2017
21
      Agreed
Dec 01st 2017
22

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1. "i work for soul train"
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a year before his death don sold the company to a firm of bankers who've had the task of spending the last 5 years fixing the mess that is getting the show on air in its glory.

1100 episodes and only 400 had proper clearence just in case Don decided to syndicate or resell on DVD.

so the last 5 years?

clearance nightmare.


good news: we are about 93% ready!


for what?

----cant say, but you'll be happy this year.

NO! LIST
Tom Petty
M J
Zeppelin
Springsteen
Neil Young
Eagles
Ray Charles
Madonna
Chuck Berry
South Park TV Songs
Justin Timberlake
"Food Glorious Food"
"Twilight Zone" theme
"A Boy Named Sue"
"Night Moves"
"The Situation"
"Superbowl Shuffle"

  

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johnbook
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2. "If the show was shown exclusively on Netflix: BOOM!"
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I'm sure there are other issues too: remastering the audio, the video quality and all of the other blah-blah stuff. I remember a time when the only way to obtain the shows was to find Japanese collectors who circulated them on Super-VHS (available through dealers in "Goldmine" magazine), the quality was considered "of quality" then but a few of those were dubs of dubs... of dubs.

I still feel a lot of music-related films would have a welcome home on Netflix, but with films with music, that adds another batch of clearances. Some films exist amongst collectors while others simply don't exist. I know of a guy in Portland, a writer and comic book fanatic who is a deep blaxploitation film fanatic. He doesn't just specialize in films that are in the vein of SHAFT and SUPERFLY, but black cowboys? He wants to cover that too, to show that it was just much more than a parody in BLAZING SADDLES. He goes out of his way to track down surviving film directors, editors, or warehouses that may still have these films. A lot of times those films may have only been shown during trial runs in Hollywood and nowhere else, or in some instances. the drive-in movie circuit of the 60's and 70's. A film may have had a buzz somewhere but once it was gone, it was forgotten or hopped around and given two to three different names (not unlike some kung fu movies). What this guy (David Walker) does is track down the original negatives if they exist, and does a digital transfer. If those negatives no longer exists, he hunts down any existing prints, or creates an existing version from existing prints, as one version of a print may have a few seconds that was edited out in other versions. He's trying to do for black films what Criterion does on a normal basis. If those films are discovered, he sometimes has a special presentation in Portland during any given time. He often comes across movies he had never heard of, or discovers films that are briefly mentioned on IMDB but wants to discover if they existed as anything but a mention in some Hollywood publication. It's not unlike horror movie fanatics who have to have their gory flicks in every variation, in as many languages as possible.

My point is, as you know very well for anything related to music, discovering the outline of something, be it multi-tracks or track sessions, can be difficult depending on who does the archiving. Licensing for an album may have changed hands over the years, so Warner Bros. may have one tape while Polygram/Universal may have another and within that time, it may have been loaned to a film company for something. Same with music concert films. A lot of times, what is released on DVD (if they are ever released) is only a partial film or whatever they can afford to clear. With WATTSTAX, it was not a problem since Stax had owned the majority of the film. There were loads of other films that are lost in time and there's one concert film I would love to see if it exists in some form, just so it can be seen in the 21st century. The one I want to see again was an Isley Brothers film released in 1970 called IT'S YOUR THING:
http://i57.tinypic.com/2ecdcu0.jpg

Nothing from this film is circulating, not on YouTube or any streaming service. This concert film also has Ike & Tina Turner, The Winstons (would be nice if they played "Amen Brother" but most likely it's just them doing "Color Him Father" but you never know), Patti Austin, Moms Mabley, and many more.

Basically, I know I'm unable to just say "hey, can you release this?" so why I'm passing it to you. Director Mike Gargiulo has a deep connection with NBC, as he used to produce tons of TV shows in the 1950's, 60's, and 70's and his son, Michael Gargiulo, is (or was) a well known NBC news anchor/reporter. If anything, that films needs to be revived. Have it presented on Netflix for a few months, then have it out on DVD/Blu-Ray for public consumption. Or limit it to just Netflix, since that's what everyone else seemsd to be heading to.

Anyway, if you want to read up a bit on David Walker and his works, check out his website at BadAzzMofo.com:
http://www.badazzmofo.com/2014/09/13/black-westerns-a-brief-overview/

I don't "know" him, I only know of him, but he was a member of one of my favorite Portland-based podcasts so I respect his interests and why he does it. There's a passion that comes from being a fan and a collector, and wanting to celebrate a part of who he is, which we can both relate to (in whatever it is/may be).







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4. "and thanks for the scoop on this David Walker guy too...."
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Sun Jun-07-15 07:04 PM by Voodoochilde

          

interesting stuff....my dad is a big western fan, and if there's some chance of ever getting some of these rare Black Cowboy pics on DVD for him that would be a great gift. i'll look him up...


btw, regarding concert films....do you know if its true that 'Rufus & Chaka, Live Stomping At The Savoy' documentary film was ever released on DVD? read that it was available at one time, which was news to me....if its available, thats one i need for sure....

  

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johnbook
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6. "It has never been released, properly or otherwise"
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At the time (1982), Warner Bros. still had a limited budget for soul artists although Rufus and Chaka Khan were always given a budget to do music videos. For whatever reason, the concert film (always listed as a "documentary" but it is said to be the visual equivalent of the album) never saw the light of day, despite the fact it could have been released on laserdisc, be it in the US or Japan. Despite Rhino Records often placing older music videos from the Warner catalog onto YouTube, they haven't touched LIVE STOMPING AT THE SAVOY, but perhaps with a bit of a push, maybe they'll make it a Netflix-only release.




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http://twitter.com/thisisjohnbook
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3. "you just made my day man..."
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>RE: i work for soul train
>a year before his death don sold the company to a firm of
>bankers who've had the task of spending the last 5 years
>fixing the mess that is getting the show on air in its glory.
>
>1100 episodes and only 400 had proper clearence just in case
>Don decided to syndicate or resell on DVD.
>
>so the last 5 years?
>
>clearance nightmare.
>
>
>good news: we are about 93% ready!
>
>
>for what?
>
>----cant say, but you'll be happy this year.

indeed! sounds like its being worked on so, whether its this year or next (i understand how those things can go), as long as i know its in the works in some way, then i won't have to sweat the DVR loss...so i am GOOD. thanks for the info man!

  

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5. "Soul Train TV....."
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24hrs ...nothing but Soul Train episodes...

That would be a dream come true...lol...


but man having them come on Aspire ..and Aspire not being on DirecTV is killing me...

I have a young daughter now and classic Soul Train episodes communicates a level of culture that one just can't get with other avenues ya know...

  

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7. "don't quote me boy cause i aint say "^^^^^!!!!!!!""
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NO! LIST
Tom Petty
M J
Zeppelin
Springsteen
Neil Young
Eagles
Ray Charles
Madonna
Chuck Berry
South Park TV Songs
Justin Timberlake
"Food Glorious Food"
"Twilight Zone" theme
"A Boy Named Sue"
"Night Moves"
"The Situation"
"Superbowl Shuffle"

  

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10. "you're doing God's work my brother...n/m"
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8. "RE: Soul Train TV....."
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>24hrs ...nothing but Soul Train episodes...
>
>That would be a dream come true...lol...
>
>
>but man having them come on Aspire ..and Aspire not being on
>DirecTV is killing me...
>
>I have a young daughter now and classic Soul Train episodes
>communicates a level of culture that one just can't get with
>other avenues ya know...
>
>

uh oh....I'm a DirecTv user as well (have to stick with them for NFL package). so ... IF Aspire is where 'something' 'may' happen at some point, i may have to start bugging DirecTv now about seeing what the potential is for that channel to be added to their line-up...

  

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12. "Can we get a hint?"
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As in a season by season hint, if you catch my drift?

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9. "I would kill for the first 5 seasons on DVD"
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Those were the best episodes. I have some episodes from 71-75 on DVD, but I would love to have full seasons.

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11. "Anyone heard any updates on when/if The Train is coming in for a stop?"
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..and if so, which 'station' might it be pulling into?

  

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13. "my experience here on OKP"
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take anything that even remotely sounds like an in-the-future release date with a very large grain of salt

it'll happen when it happens, till then: don't get your hopes up

on topic, it might be wise to keep an eye here:

http://soultrain.com/

  

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14. "In other words, hunt down those Japanese rips that circulate n/m"
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Warren Coolidge
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15. "so Soul Train doesn't come on Aspire any more???"
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Aspire finally is available on Direct TV and no Soul train...

wow...

make it happen Quest...we counting on you brother...

  

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16. "we almost done clearing."
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i choose 100 fresh episodes that should be on air in the next few months.

NO! LIST
Tom Petty
M J
Zeppelin
Springsteen
Neil Young
Eagles
Ray Charles
Madonna
Chuck Berry
South Park TV Songs
Justin Timberlake
"Food Glorious Food"
"Twilight Zone" theme
"A Boy Named Sue"
"Night Moves"
"The Situation"
"Superbowl Shuffle"

  

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17. "cool.... thanks man.... n/m"
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18. "oh it's ON now!"
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Sun Feb-14-16 10:01 AM by Voodoochilde

          

by that i don't mean Soul Train is actually 'on' the TV right now , i just mean 'ITS ON!' cuz, yep, Aspire IS now on DirecTv in HD (381), AND the Train will likely be pulling in sometime this year! So ALL smiles here, thanks for the updates folks!

love peace and sooouuul to ya...

  

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19. "Checkin back in on this one...."
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anyone have any news on status of full classic/vintage episodes of The Train being available, either on Broadcast or on DVD/Blu?



have you listened to
her stuff?
v
https://www.facebook.com/officialmeshell?fref=ts
http://www.meshell.com/site/
http://www.freemyheart.com


RIP David Williams:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Williams_(guitarist)

  

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20. "Still Hoping For Season Box Sets"
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21. "Season Box Sets...THAT would be my preference too"
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boxed sets for each season with full Eps?? i'd hand over my money for that instantly man. As long as they have full eps, i wouldn't care if hey don't add any 'DVD extras' features, (though that could be really cool too...like maybe some interviews and anecdotes from some of the dancers? Some Vintage commercial clips? hell yeah!)

so if THAT is the plan....COUNT ME IN!!!

i'm never giving up hope dammit..


have you listened to
her stuff?
v
https://www.facebook.com/officialmeshell?fref=ts
http://www.meshell.com/site/
http://www.freemyheart.com


RIP David Williams:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Williams_(guitarist)

  

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22. "Agreed"
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It would have to be full episodes or no dice.

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