I purposely avoided the "What is the first new Jack Swing Track" because I think that turns into a race to find oldest track that sort of sounds like a NJS track (kind of like those silly arguments when people point to old blue grass tracks as the first hip-hop songs).

What I am looking for the track or album that kicks off the era fully and undeniably and the impact is evident. Not sure if it works that way but worth discussing.

So not really looking for the origins of NJS (though I'd be interested to hear that as well), but the coming of age as an identifiable thing.



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I'd say "Don't Be Cruel" (song & album) but I also seem to think that Guy's "Groove Me" (and the self-titled album) dropped right around the same time.

Teddy Riley's reign was just taking off.

but i'm thinking "Just Coolin'" by LeVert.

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....or depending on what you consider NJS.....

Either

Rumors - Timex Social Club {1986}

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVtcp8XHhOo

Lean On Me - Club Noveau (1987)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwIzcNLOogc

trying to pin down what defines a genre is a tricky business...especially a sub-genre like NJS (or, alternately, "neo-soul" as another example) which fused some stuff

all those posted above have very similar elements in terms of "sound"/vibe

more often than not we coin these terms as marketing buzzwords and then they become a nebulous thing which ends up losing meaning and then being rejected (e.g "...and you can new jack swing on my nuts" or "..rap is not pop if you call it that then stop", etc)

Timex and NJS elements.
Janet's Nasty had the elements as well.
But NJS is/was Teddy and his crew

I Want Her was late 87 and then came Kemp's Just Got Paid in early 88
Then Guy and Al B in the spring followed by Bobby in the summer.

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you could say

"Teddy was the originator"

others could say

"Teddy gets all the credit"

*shrug*

either way, you saw what was listed first as an answer to the OP

>trying to pin down what defines a genre is a tricky
>business...especially a sub-genre like NJS (or, alternately,
>"neo-soul" as another example) which fused some stuff

>all those posted above have very similar elements in terms of
>"sound"/vibe
>
>more often than not we coin these terms as marketing buzzwords
>and then they become a nebulous thing which ends up losing
>meaning and then being rejected (e.g "...and you can new jack
>swing on my nuts" or "..rap is not pop if you call it that
>then stop", etc)

right. kedar coined the term "neo-soul," so technically, the first NS album is "brown sugar."

man, I despise that label, though. all marketing.

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the song that announced the arrival of a new sound. a new thing.

fuck you.

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that schitt was roughly the same time "Make It Last Forever" dropped and JGP was a Keith Sweat reject...

but yeah, Teddy was busy

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after "rockit" was so popular there were a ton of R&B songs with beats you could pop to and "raps" sprinkled in

because that was the basis of Teddy RIley's solos and grooves IMO.

lisa lisa i wonder if i take you home or full force alice i want you for me.

obviously Keith Sweat with I want her or something just ain't right which was cut before he worked with teddy fully.

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

Kool Moe Dee's stuff with Teddy predates Keith Sweat. Heavy D too.

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by a few months.

and Janet's Control album was released before that one.

generally one of those 2 is credited w/being the 1st NJS album.

fuck you.

Since it may not have officially been labeled as NJS back then, but it had the same sound/swing to it, just a bit more Industrial

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definitely was a change in the sound anticipating what was coming. In particularly, "Nasty". But that more or less stayed with Jam/Lewis.

Though Teddy was like 80% of NJS on his own, you had that sound spreading out beyond his production. In a way, he "Princed" it.