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Nick Has a Problem...Seriously
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Does the length of an album determine whether it should be pressed on double vinyl or not? When does the sound quality begin to be affected? I read an article saying you shouldn't go over 22 minutes per side so if an album is over 40 minutes should the artist/label consider doing double LP? I'm sure more goes into the sound quality of vinyl. Just wanted to start a little discussion during my lunch break.

Recommended Optimal and Maximum Times for Sides for Vinyl:

12" @33 1/3 RPM:
OPTIMAL - 12 to 14 minutes per side
MAXIMUM - 22 minutes per side

12" @45 RPM:
OPTIMAL - 9 minutes per side
MAXIMUM - 15 minutes per side

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Well before sound quality is effected you'd
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Sound quality is affected by every groove
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i hated how some labels crammed 5 or 6 songs on a side...
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RE: i hated how some labels crammed 5 or 6 songs on a side...
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5-6 songs???
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RE: I would love everything to be pressed at 45rpm.
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1. "Well before sound quality is effected you'd"
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run out of real estate. I think those maximums specifically are due the the physics of being beyond the label were playback to continue.

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Stringer Bell
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3. "Sound quality is affected by every groove"
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The closer you are to the label, the worse the sound, due to having less surface area of groove for the same timeframe of music.

  

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2. "i hated how some labels crammed 5 or 6 songs on a side..."
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....but then you have albums like "Moment Of Truth" pressed on TRIPLE VINYL (which was kinda rare) ...but yeah the more songs on a side, the lower they have to make the levels i believe, i think i read that pristine bass takes up a lot if you want it to sound really good


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Nick Has a Problem...Seriously
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5. "RE: i hated how some labels crammed 5 or 6 songs on a side..."
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>....but then you have albums like "Moment Of Truth" pressed
>on TRIPLE VINYL (which was kinda rare) ...but yeah the more
>songs on a side, the lower they have to make the levels i
>believe, i think i read that pristine bass takes up a lot if
>you want it to sound really good
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When a label crams 5 or 6 songs on a side, does that keep you from purchasing that vinyl or do you still rock with it?

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Jakob Hellberg
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Thu Apr-16-15 09:47 PM

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What about records like "Fear of a black planet" or "De La Soul is dead" where those fools pressed over 1 hour of music unto a single disc???

Now that I think about it, I can sort of understand the nostalgia towards cassettes regarding Hip-Hop in that era because cds prior to a certain point had a tendency to sound pretty bad and "shrill" whereas vinyl with too much music pressed on it sounds lacking in bass (a good, deep, low-frequency bass-sound is dependent on wider grooves which is one of the reasons 12" 45 records became so popular amongst DJ's) and muffled.

Anyway, back to the subject, it is *generally* not a good idea to press more than 20 or so minutes on a single side for a wide variety of reasons; I first noticed this when I bought AC/DC's 50+ minutes "If you want blood..."-live as a kid; it sounded thin and skipped very easily.

Then again, there are some very long album that still sounds good on vinyl like the "Cecil Taylor Unit" and "3 phasis" records which are like 1 hour long but they were pressed on some audiophile vinyl by connoisseur label New World Records I guess. Still, sure it would have sounded better as a double...

BTW, someone might find this interesting:http://www.harryshifi.com/images/vinyl_tutorial.pdf

  

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4. "RE: I would love everything to be pressed at 45rpm."
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But then you'd have a bunch three and four record sets for normal length albums, so the cost would get a little out of hand.

But the sound would be so wonderful.


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