1998
Aquemini
Moment of Truth
The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill
Black Star
Soul Survivor

2000
Like Water For Chocolate
Supreme Clientele
Voodoo
Train of Thought
Fantastic, Vol 2

*purposefully excluded Stankonia to keep Kast vs Kast album a deciding factor.

Reason for the poll...just currently appreciating the high highs of both years.

Poll result (39 votes) 98 (16 votes) Vote 00 (23 votes) Vote

I think I'm one of the few here that doesn't care for the Black Star album much. BOBS and Train of Thought are far better albums.

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>I think I'm one of the few here that doesn't care for the
>Black Star album much. BOBS and Train of Thought are far
>better albums.

I agree with both BOBS and TOT being better albums. I'm not sure I would say far but definitely more complete.

But the Black Star album has the "it" factor to me as well. There's something classic about that album. The opener...Definition...Brown Skin Lady...KOS...Respiration...Thieves In The Night. It just has that feel to it.

I can see what you're saying though...Black Star is like 36 Chambers while BOBS and TOT are Liquid Swords and Cuban Linx.

The debut is classic but they did get better as they grew.

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Miseducation in 98 and Voodoo in 00.

I could go many many years without hearing either of those again and be fine.



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I still listen to some of those still...

i mean 98 had must haves period.

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I'm leaning towards 98 because the albums in the list are incredibly transcendent. I haven't listened to Lauryn's album in over a decade, or D'Angelo's for that matter, but to me it comes down to the steadiness of the records themselves. In that regard MOT, Aquemini and Soul Survivor rival any three records from any year before or since.
The more I think about it, aside from Supreme Clientele I don't listen to any of the records in the 2ooo list much at all anymore, even though they're super dope. I think that says more about how much I listened to them than it does how great they are, but at the same time I've played most of those 98 records just as much (and certainly the top 3).

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I have always loved Missducation and Voodoo but I never played them out. So when I put them on now they sound great and I appreciate the mixture of hip-hop and soul. They're both really well put together albums. I'll give the edge to Voodoo. One Mo Gin and The Root I can play forever.

The way I match up the others are like this...

I always felt The Roots and Common were a step behind Kast as far as pushing the envelope. And that could just be timing of releases but it seemed when I was younger, Kast would push the envelope and then they would follow. So I kind of see TFA and LWFC as reactions to Aquemini as well as Phrenology and Electric Circus as reactions to Stankonia. I could be completely wrong on that actually being the case but that is how it appeared to a fan of all acts to me. I give the edge to Aquemini here even though I may like the overall production on LWFC better.

Moment of Truth and Supreme Clientele are the straight ahead hip-hop bangers out of the bunch. And I guess it's just me but I feel like SC is extremely overrated. Moment of Truth is easily the better album in my opinion. So edge to 98 again.

Black Star and Train of Thought...the underground NYC classics. As I said early, Black Star is a classic but Train of Thought is the better album. Top to bottom that album just hits. 2000 gets the nod here to make it 2-2.

Now for Soul Survivor and Fantastic, the production gems...most people on this site will take Vol 2 for Dilla. But to me, Soul Survivor is underappreciated. Clearly the best producer with various MCs type of album of all-time. Production is top notch just like Vol 2 but the MCs are much better overall. From the moment Deck destroys Tru Master to the haunting Strange Fruit it's just banger after banger.

That give 98 the edge 3-2.

I know most people are lukewarm on Massive (Hold Tight), but I always loved that record. Heavy D murdered that song, his flow was ridiculous just like always.
But I can't listen to it anymore because the "Them don wan Heavy D to die" part hits me in a sensitive place.

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I didn't mean to not include that but I just always saw it as the reggae joint but Hev does murder it so you can say from Deck to Hev everyone does their part on the verses.

And One Life 2 Live is just a beautiful record, man. The way it ends, with he music before the interlude...it's breathtaking that somebody did that with a SP-12oo.
The album itself is so lush while still being hard. Pete's attention to detail is on some Rudy van Gelder type shit, seriously. None of his disciples, Dilla included, could have done what he did on that record.

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...this makes me wanna listen to it again!

i think i got caught up in comparing it with PR&CLS's past material, which really wasn't fair.

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2 albums for 98 I don't care for much so 2000 is an easy pick for me.

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CP was a dope album but overall it was bloated and could've used some trimming. Not to mention they didn't include Wishful Thinking.

Soul Survivor is a better album.

I see that people are hit or miss on Black Star which is surprising to me.

If there's an album I wanted to include that I did not, it is First Family 4 Life.

Capital Punishment is better than SS and Black Star and First Family 4 Life, IMO

better rhymes, beats, concepts, skits. I still it play it more than the other three, none of which are less than 4/5 IMO.

Speaking of F4L, that's a really under rated album generally. Primo gave them some heat and they were spitting.

it's your poll.

And a lot times Pun's raps pretty much demolished them and swallowed them whole. But the good stuff was REALLY good.

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I don't dislike any beats on CP other than maybe the joint with Clef which I don't dislike but don't always want to hear.

The difference is the production. Soul Survivor is just a more fine-tuned album. It's the little details that Pete put into that are great. The beats are better as well but it's all about the arrangement.

Adding Meth at the end of Tru Master to lead into Half Man Half Amazing.

The ill scratch and drop before Ghost comes in on The Game.

The hi-hats and drum sequencing on Soul Brother #1.

All of the ill instrumentals that pace the album between songs perfectly.

I could honestly list a hundred things right now that make Pete's work on this joint exceptional. Some people love that shit and others don't even notice it.

That's why we have terms like Producer's Producer and Rapper's Rapper.

And I can't believe you mentioned the skits on CP. who actually listens to those? Played out sex skit...cliche shoot 'em up skit...annoying ass interview with bitch ass Funk Flex. The only ones worth shit are the Intro, Instrumental before Dream Shatterer and the joint with Dead Prez and even the last two aren't needed. Shit, aren't there two skits in a row at one point?

wonderfully arranged album, and still prefer CP

SS still feels like a comp LP, even thought it really isn't, and ironically Pun is on one of the best songs on SS

CP is just a great album rife with all the hood bravado, come up, and cross over appeal that made that era great. He absolutely destroys the whole album, and is possible one of maybe three people to best Thought on a record. There is hunger in CP, there is the theme of dog eat dog capitalist come up that comprised much great hip hop of that era, and the guest spots ALL work.

also Pun has classic songs like both versions of "Still Not a Player", "Twinz", "You Ain't a Killer" that really define that era, beyond the "real hip hop heads" crowd.

and I mentioned the skits cause I have a sense a humor, and those little tidbits that add to the cinema of LPs, even though the art of skits is mostly dead these days.

Rap has for a long time been the best of performative arts to me, and Pun and company brought the A grade performances

Motherfucking Deck...that's who.

Man, that might be my favorite joint on the album right there.

I'm not trying to down CP because it is a classic. But I'm a less is more kind of person and I felt the album could've been trimmed.

Some songs start to come off as just ok amongst the bangers. A few at the end like the joint with Busta and the story joint. Boomerang is dope but wasn't needed among the other bangers in my opinion. But that's the issue with long albums to me.

And I guess Pun was on one of the best songs on SS...they're all fucking dope lol.

Tru Master
Half Man Half Amazing
Respect Mine is filthy!
The Game
Soul Brother #1
Truly Yours...old school flavor
It's About That Time...Thought is at home over PR!
One Life To Live
Time!!!!
Mind Blowing...man this is tailor made for CL! Always wish he rocked that
Title Track
Da Two is that knock!
Verbal Murder
Strange Fruit!

Yo man...I'm legit upset yall trying to play this album in here. Lol

It was always a push for me on Tres Leches, between Deck, Pun and P

but yeah man, no slight on SS. I love that fucn album.

1. Voodoo
2A.Supreme Clientele
2B.Aquemini
2C.Like Water For Chocolate
5. Fantastic, Vol 2
6. Moment of Truth
7. Train of Thought
8. Soul Survivor
9. Black Star
10.The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill, really this album wouldn't even make my top 20 if we combined both years

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while 00 had the very good to maybe it still hangs.

however there was something in the air for 98 that went across all music styles period in hindsight.

i mean L Boogie had the game on lock. no matter if you like her or not, she had turkeys from all sets of the music world jocking her blueprint.

acting like Adele a decade and change later had listen to the Miseducation?? i mean that album alone pretty much towers almost all of the list. i mean with the ladies alone L Boogie was like the statue of liberty for a good year and half believe that.

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I picked 2000 because I just happen to be listening to Fantastic Vol 2 right now but my vote on this could change by the day.

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I eventually went with 98. Not sure if it's logical or not, but Ms. Hill was the deciding factor.

because no album in 00 had her impact and take out the feelings for her one way or other,but she had the industry on lock back in 98 for a good minute believe that.

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Because you seem to value record sales and impact just as much if not more than the actual quality...if I included Stankonia, which was relatively just as big as Miseducation...what year would you pick?

And when I say just as big I mean they both sold about 8 mill and had 3 huge singles.

I know Stank wasn't as important to the female base and didn't win Album of the Year but it was massive which makes it hard to believe they got even bigger with the next album.

because they had sales, impact and were hitting there creative prime and peak. with me i saw acts where it all went hand in hand.

sales are and impact are important as having those money cuts.

Stank was right however Man,Miseducation was on some Helen Ready type of tip and it made noise period.

everybody i know was feeling that album. i mean all walks were tipping there cap to her.

i mean she did what 3 stacks couldn't do and that is Rap and sing R&B/Pop and make it all work as one.

i always say she was the golden Girl before Beyonce.

Badu had her clique

Mary was in her lane

however Lauyrn Hill turned that Mother Sucker out
and i ain't talking about sales, impact, i'm talking creativity and the hype and vibe that album had on folks was the truth.

cats respected her and dug her, with the chicks she was the gospel for a minute believe me on that one.

Kast got more accepted and they hit and they were dominant.

actually Kast went over from jump better than L Boogie. because that first fugees album went reynolds wrap though i think Wycliff was spitting good.

however Miseducation was a album that became that i gots to have and the Hood album of its time. meaning everybody and there hair peace wearing uncle and wig wearing granny was hyped over.

its not fair to do that.

its like asking me about about Lionel Richie's can't slow down which was huge and had much impact, however it came after thriller
and its hard to compare another project within the same time frame to a album where it was that album and then everything else. if that makes any sense to you?

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>1998
>Aquemini
>Moment of Truth
>The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill
>Black Star
>Soul Survivor

the first three were great.

black star and soul survivor disappointed me, though.

plus it was the year of the wu-tang b-squad.

>2000
>Like Water For Chocolate
>Supreme Clientele
>Voodoo
>Train of Thought
>Fantastic, Vol 2

others in 2000:

MMLP
nia
let's get free
I am Shelby lynn
kid a
parachutes
ghostdog soundtrack and score

and if we're reaching back into nov-dec 99, we have

BOBS, when the pawn, 2001, midnight vultures, etc.

so 2000 by a landslide for me.

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>1998

>Moment of Truth
>Black Star
>Soul Survivor

^^^ better than anything below...

>2000
>Like Water For Chocolate
>Supreme Clientele
>Voodoo
>Train of Thought
>Fantastic, Vol 2

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Anything about ToT that holds it down in your opinion?

>1998
>Aquemini
>Moment of Truth
>The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill
>Black Star
>Soul Survivor

1. MoT
2. Soul Survivor
3. Aquemini
4. Black Star
5. Miseducation


>2000
>Like Water For Chocolate
>Supreme Clientele
>Voodoo
>Train of Thought
>Fantastic, Vol 2

1. SC
2. Chocolate
3. Fantastic V. 2
4. Voodoo
5. Train of Thought





All of these albums with the exception of Miseducation I still go back to and enjoy periodically. Both are great years.
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