ugh. i really hope this doesn't end up where i think it's headed. with artists' catalogues fragmented across multiple platforms. that would be the worst.

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Pulling albums from a popular streaming service and putting it only on his own isn't going to make people pay $10 to $20 just his material. They'll get access to it in other ways.

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itunes + cloud + match
done.
and all your music is yours, forever.
these streaming wars are just going to get crazier after Apple Beats launches.
I'll steer clear of ALL of it, thx very much.

It theoretically gives the listener to access to any and all albums they want to hear, including ones they don't own/didn't download, at any and all times. And from what I understand, there's a whole "social media" aspect to it, where people can share playlists and whatnot.

It's not going away though. A couple of months back I had a conversation with a reasonably bright 16-year-old who told me that he hadn't bought an album in years, even on iTunes; he listened to everything via Spotify.

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Why not just have the album? You can download them for free, right?

I assume that many people don't really want to go the length of downloading because since the industry been shutting down the much-used sites like limewire or whatever, people are left with sketchy options for downloading illegally.


I read one news story where some guy got into some illegal stuff (the cause of his later suicide) because he was messing around on the internet looking for free downloading music options (I guess limewire was down by then).


So, I'm guessing (dinosaur that I am) many people (not all) are leery what they might get messing around in the post-limewire era looking for free downloading. So, people will value streaming services because "legit businesses" equals "less sketchy/dangerous/unpredictable".

>I read one news story where some guy got into some illegal
>stuff (the cause of his later suicide) because he was messing
>around on the internet looking for free downloading music
>options (I guess limewire was down by then).

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/01/ryan-loskarn-letter-102716.html

Ryan Loskarn leaves letter

By JOHN BRESNAHAN | 1/28/14 8:51 AM EST

Jesse Ryan Loskarn, the former top Senate GOP aide who committed suicide last week, said in a letter released by his family that he was sexually abused as a child, and the horror from that episode eventually led him down a path toward possessing child pornography.


In his letter, Loskarn said he first stumbled across child pornography “during a search for music on a peer-to-peer network.

>http://www.politico.com/story/2014/01/ryan-loskarn-letter-102716.html
>
>Ryan Loskarn leaves letter
>
>By JOHN BRESNAHAN | 1/28/14 8:51 AM EST
>
>Jesse Ryan Loskarn, the former top Senate GOP aide who
>committed suicide last week, said in a letter released by his
>family that he was sexually abused as a child, and the horror
>from that episode eventually led him down a path toward
>possessing child pornography.
>
>
>In his letter, Loskarn said he first stumbled across child
>pornography “during a search for music on a peer-to-peer
>network.

please explain how this story that you linked applies to the topic at hand here

that signifies this person wasn't going on amazon.com or itunes for Mp3's/whatever (or youtube for that matter when he did that).


The point is Spotify is legit, amazon.com is legit, itunes is legit.

Searching on a peer-to-peer got the man in this situation his consequences.


Did you not read reply #4?


Why do you think Starks dunked on Bulls in reply #28 asked for a Link?

If Starks dunked on Bulls thought the subject of "messing around on the internet looking for free downloading" that I brought up in reply #4 was off base, why didn't Starks dunked just say "what?" instead of ASKING ME TO PROVIDE A LINK?

Better yet......

WHY DON'T YOU ASK STARKS WHY HE FELT A LINK (to an "unrelated" issue) WAS NEEDED?

>Searching on a peer-to-peer got the man in this situation his
>consequences.
>
>
>Did you not read reply #4?


yes, and I also read reply #31 where you (seemingly) are inferring that illegal music downloading has a gateway drug effect that leads to child pornography and suicide

that's beyond ridiculous


>Why do you think Starks dunked on Bulls in reply #28 asked for
>a Link?
>
>If Starks dunked on Bulls thought the subject of "messing
>around on the internet looking for free downloading" that I
>brought up in reply #4 was off base, why didn't Starks dunked
>just say "what?" instead of ASKING ME TO PROVIDE A LINK?
>
>Better yet......
>
>WHY DON'T YOU ASK STARKS WHY HE FELT A LINK (to an "unrelated"
>issue) WAS NEEDED?

I'm asking YOU because YOU are the one that introduced this notion into the discussion of folks getting into deep legal problems and ultimately committing suicide because of the repercussions of illegal music downloading, which is clearly not the case

re-read what you typed in post #4 and then re-read the link that you posted. shit doesn't match up the way that you were intending it to

I've been downloading music legally and illegally for over 15 yrs and have never once unwillingly "stumbled" into a world of child pornography. that ain't how it happens, joe. don't be so gullible to believe the claims of the desperate, depraved man within that politico link that you offered

however, if you actually are standing by this claim that downloading illegal music is somehow a bridge to child pornography, then it's probably not your "lack of tech knowledge" that folks are clowning on, but your lack of knowledge in general

so you had your fun, but that's that.

over and out - as far as replying anymore to you.

so streaming services have 0 appeal for me.

fuck you.

I love Spotify and never use it on my phone.

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Days like this I miss Sha Mecca

and i have no need for Spotify at home.

i'm glad for ppl who like it. i don't.

fuck you.

I don't see a need for streaming services. I'd much rather own a copy of my music whether digital or physical.


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I'm just an old dinosaur. All about owning the music I want to play. I don't understand paying a monthly fee to stream music. I guess if you're not really into music it works for you. The change was inevitable but just something I will never get into. There's enough music I enjoy that's missing from streaming sites to keep me away from it.

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>I guess if you're not really into music it works for
>you.

That's the dumbest thing I've heard anyone say about streaming services. Don't like them, fine, but the idea that you must not "really" be into music to use/enjoy them? That's some dumb shit.

>There's enough music I enjoy that's missing from
>streaming sites to keep me away from it.

Maybe --- but there's also enough music that I enjoy that's there to make it worthwhile, stuff that we literally can't buy in the store because it's OOP. I don't understand why jazz heads, for instance, aren't *all over* some of the streaming services. There's so much shit on there that you literally cannot go into a store and purchase (or order online) for any number of reasons.

I understand why some people aren't tempted at all by streaming services, but it's important to recognize there are plenty of good reasons *to* be tempted.

-thebigfunk

~ i could still snort you under the table ~

>That's the dumbest thing I've heard anyone say about streaming
>services. Don't like them, fine, but the idea that you must
>not "really" be into music to use/enjoy them? That's some dumb
>shit.
>

I've heard "dumber" things said about streaming services. Guess I struck a nerve. It's all good though fam. If you enjoy it, salute!

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it's like saying 'only a casual movie fan would use netflix'

i can't imagine why anyone would pay a monthly fee to stream music _unless_ they were really into it. every single person i know who uses spotify premium is an uber music nerd.

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>it's like saying 'only a casual movie fan would use netflix'
>
>i can't imagine why anyone would pay a monthly fee to stream
>music _unless_ they were really into it. every single person i
>know who uses spotify premium is an uber music nerd.
>

Most people I know that use spotify never bought tapes/CDs/vinyl to
begin with. They were iTunes users and this is cheaper than iTunes so
it was the next logical step for them. I don't have to buy any music,
I can just stream anything I want for $10/month.

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the people i know who i'd classify as "casual music fans" listen
to terrestrial radio or pandora for free, and occasionally buy an
album on itunes or a physical cd from best buy or wherever.

virtually everybody i know who pays for a premium spotify
subscription is a music geek. they use the service pretty much
daily, create / curate / share playlists, use the 'discover new
music' features, scrobble their streams to last.fm, etc.

and the vast majority don't stream exclusively. they still buy
product and go to tons of shows. streaming is just an additional
avenue.

i'm sure i don't know a single person who "never bought
tapes/CDs/vinyl to begin with" and now all of a sudden pays to
stream music.

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So you don't know a single person who only purchased music through iTunes? Doesn't have to be a close friend. I know plenty of people who haven't bought physical product in almost a decade. At work I get laughed at because I still buy CDs/vinyl. I'm the dinosaur there.

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that embracing streaming makes you a casual or less 'real' music fan. reeks of stereotypical binary lessonhead elitism.

plenty of diehard music lovers stream. it's an extremely convenient and efficient way to enjoy lots of different music.

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Nah ... it just needs to reach a level of critical mass..

A dollar or 10$ per digital album now is great.. money in pocket..

But.. That's it. No matter how many times you play it I've only seen that $1

Streaming is forever .. I'll always get paid as long as you play it.

I wonder if the one size fits all royalty rate is viable though. Should someone like Calvin Harris who has a song streamed 200m times in 2-3 months be getting the same rate as someone who has 2000 streams in a year?

Or on the flip side. As a consumer.. My $10 a month should be divided amongst artists I actually play. Not people I don't.

These things will certainly evolve as streaming hits critical mass though

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I'm all for you guys, the artist, getting paid any way possible. Just as a fan, I'm not sitting up in my house streaming music. It either old tapes, CDs or vinyl. I got my ipods with all the music I like on it so the streaming service serves no purpose to me. I understand it for the casual listener.

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>I'm all for you guys, the artist, getting paid any way
>possible. Just as a fan, I'm not sitting up in my house
>streaming music. It either old tapes, CDs or vinyl. I got my
>ipods with all the music I like on it so the streaming service
>serves no purpose to me. I understand it for the casual
>listener.

It's not just for the casual listener, man. I probably own about 1,800 CDs, 3 or 4 hundred LPs, etc. But streaming is the absolute ideal way (for me at least) to listen to brand new music legally without having to go out and buy it all separately. Today alone at work I listened to new albums by Toro y Moi, Joey Badass, Sufjan Stevens, and Tobias Jesso Jr., approximately none of which I would have listened to if I had to buy each one separately.

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i'm pretty fucking far from a casual listener (own tons of vinyl, pretty
much every rap cd that dropped btwn 87 and 01, couple terabytes of mp3s,
etc) and i very rarely listen to any of it because spotify is just so
convenient. i literally use it every day and have personally curated
hundreds of playlists. it's easily the best 10 bucks that i spend every month.

btwn that, soundcloud and mixcloud i have all the music i can handle.

i think ppl who don't get the appeal of streaming haven't really given
it a spin. i've recommended spotify to dozens of ppl over the years and
every one has come back to me at some point like "dude, this is the best
shit ever, how is this even legal?!?"

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Gave it three weeks. More than enough time to realize it's not for me. Cool if you dig it though. Salute!

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Mainly because of the unreleased / live music I listen to.
I tried it for a couple months but it didn't work within my system (which I"m kinda strict on).
I don't like the idea of using different mediums depending on the music.
I download or convert CD purchases to mp3 only.

https://digife.com

I streamed all of those albums for free. Bought the ones I dug and KIM. If you enjoy it, cool. It's just not for me.

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>
>Or on the flip side. As a consumer.. My $10 a month should be
>divided amongst artists I actually play. Not people I don't.
>

how likely is this to happen do you think?

If you're innocent, be cool.
Only the guilty's catchin' offence.

here is the issue with that though

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=reasonable+doubt+full+album+jay+z

I dont even have to try... It was easier to do that than it was to sign up for Tidal

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>It was easier to do that than it
>was to sign up for Tidal


Nardwuar: "Why should people care?"
Archy: "You don't have to care. I don't care. If you like it, you like it."

http://austinato.bandcamp.com

http://www.discogs.com/lists/Favorites-of-2015/222933

I pay $10/month for Spotify.

I can listen to about 99% of any albums I could ever want to hear, anytime, anywhere. It's pretty rare that something isn't on there. The Beatles aren't. A few noteworthy albums here and there aren't. Almost everything else is.

I used to buy a ton of music. Now I pay a lot less, and have access to a lot more. Since getting Spotify, I've listened to way more new and/or different music than I used to.

I guess I could just download all this shit, but that's actually more work, still kind of sketchy (to me at least, especially since I can easily afford $10/month), and although Spotify pays shitty royalties, it's easier for me to stomach than just outright taking the shit for free. Plus, when there's someone I really want to support, I'll still buy the physical copy, just on rarer occasions.

I guess the point is, streaming is super easy and pretty fucking cheap considering what you used to have to pay to (legally) have access to this much music. I can use it at home, in the car, on jogs, etc. It's literally the best $10 I spend each month.

It's like Netflix Instant, but for music, and with a more comprehensive selection.

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Listen to as much music as I want, don't have to go searching for it
on youtube while in my car, then have to stay on youtube since still can't minimize youtube.

Have the ability to check out way more artists than I used to bc
used to have to d/l albums from a zip file, first find the zip, etc.

I used to practice this method of listening to music ALL THE TIME.
I rarely ever download music anymore, unless it's a leak I'm looking
for - something that I just can't wait to hear and it's leaked
a couple weeks in advance. Or something like a bbc stream that gets
ripped, I'll download something like that from zippyshare or wherever.

Otherwise, I'm using my 10/month spotify subscription and streaming
new music, old music, one song, or a whole album.

I still buy vinyl so I'm buying physical product.
Sometimes at a lesser rate, sometimes at a higher rate
depending on what I find or am in the mood for.

streaming has it's benefits. I like it a lot.
Biggest thing is I'm rarely downloading music anymore.
That's big for me. If there's something I want to have,
I will buy it on vinyl.
'

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Cameo
Soundshape Records

the convenience is unmatched. i can't imagine doing the old "searching online for zips / torrents, downloading, unzipping, editing tags / cover art (something i was always very anal / OCD abt), individually sideloading onto all my devices, hoping it's a quality unblemished rip, etc" thing in 2015, when i can just type virtually any album title into spotify and be listening to it in a few seconds.

i know some ppl are still really into actually owning music, owning their favorite movies, and so forth. always having a local copy, whether physical or digital, for whatever reason. i know some still like to show off their collections to others, as a reflection of their taste. that stuff couldn't matter less to me. if i'm not listening to an album this very second, i don't need to just have a copy of it around, just to have, when i can just go pull it up on demand anytime i want.

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there is an app called Tubex that looks and functions almost identically to the official Youtube app, except that it can play in the background.

There's a slight hiccup when you back out of the app but otherwise it works about 90% of the time, there've been a few rare occasions it'd keep pausing but overall it's worked great.

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(SHOCKING!!!) and still want to listen to music.

that's another reason why i like owning local copies of my favorite music, at least.

also, i listen to plenty music that's not available on any streaming service (currently playing - 'Wonderful Ass' by Prince & the Revolution).

fuck you.

>
>also, i listen to plenty music that's not available on any
>streaming service (currently playing - 'Wonderful Ass' by
>Prince & the Revolution).

Maybe it's because I'm a fucking dork who likes a lot of obscure music but there's SHITLOAD of stuff I dig that they don't have on spotify (also, they have removed lots of cool shit they used to have... and also added lots of cool shit they didn't use to have but still...).

That said, I LOVE spotify because at work, I can listen to whatever I feel like at the time (obvious exceptions of course) and I don't need to feel limited by whatever stuff I have on my mp3 player, that is cool.

Also, while I'm obviously aware of their low royalty rates, the majority of stuff I listen to on spotify is actually stuff I've once purchased physically rather than new stuff; if I would play my physical copy (or a rip or whatever), the artist would get *nothing* extra, now they are actually getting paid again even if it might be very little...

That said, no streaming service I checked out is fully ideal and missing too much IMO so I will not abandon physical copies or even illegal downloads of long OOP and obscure shit. Also, there's a risk that some shit you dig will be removed from the streaming services (as evidenced by "Reasonable doubt") so I don't really trust them as the future, I want the security of actually *knowing* that I can always access my favorite records and I don't think I can with streaming services; too many examples of dope shit being pulled...

fuck you.

if I stream it and I love it, I'll d/l it.

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>It's like Netflix Instant, but for music, and with a more
>comprehensive selection.

this made me realize that I'm obsessed with physical product with music, but not so much with movies and shows.

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buy what you like from itunes and test drive the rest on the high seas of the internet.

youtube can fill in the rest.

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But even from the beginning (RIP Lala) one could already get a sense that, eventually, labels would catch on that this was the future and there'd be a scramble to carve out exclusive licensing opportunities and shit. Jay's move is an interesting one but unfortunately, the customer loses out in the long run. Not just music though... we're seeing a lot of the same things happen to television/movie streaming, too, with networks starting their own streaming platforms and/or going into exclusive deals.

At some point it will have to shake out as the labels will figure out that more exclusivity does not = more consumer commitment (probably the opposite). But how long will that take?


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bump all that streaming crap and now you get a turkey like Jay Z with his super friends stream service playing keep away with his old albums
and its a new set of rules to buy something
that lets be real the majority of his fans already got.

however the stream greed will be another clique.

music ain't no all you can eat buffet. it either works with what you like or it doesn't.

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

i still want my cds or mp3s..i want to listen to my music even in places where an internet connection (or an affordable one to be exact) isn't available

....keep a back up of music via iPod, CDs, etc. Although with Spotify premium, you can download playlists for offline use in case you're ever caught in a dead spot.


Since 1976

You have the ability to "sync" unlimited amounts of music to your devices to play offline.

This also deads the "I don't have unlimited data" argument, because you can sync up whatever the fuck you want via wi-fi before you go out the door in the morning, then drive around all day listening to it without using any data usage at all.

FWIW even though I've been talking about the appeal of streaming in here, I'm definitely keeping my huge physical music collection and the MP3 library I've been compiling for a decade and a half, and I'm definitely still visiting record stores. Streaming just has major benefits as an *additional* tool to listen to a shit load of music with vast convenience and portability. I'm surprised how many people in here haven't embraced this yet. It's a no-brainer to me...

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>You have the ability to "sync" unlimited amounts of music to
>your devices to play offline.

wait. isn't the ability limited by the storage capacity on my device? just like my ability to sync mp3s from my desktop to my device is limited by the device's storage capacity.

>This also deads the "I don't have unlimited data" argument,
>because you can sync up whatever the fuck you want via wi-fi
>before you go out the door in the morning, then drive around
>all day listening to it without using any data usage at all.

...like i do when i sync mp3s from my desktop.

>FWIW even though I've been talking about the appeal of
>streaming in here, I'm definitely keeping my huge physical
>music collection and the MP3 library I've been compiling for a
>decade and a half, and I'm definitely still visiting record
>stores. Streaming just has major benefits as an *additional*
>tool to listen to a shit load of music with vast convenience
>and portability. I'm surprised how many people in here haven't
>embraced this yet. It's a no-brainer to me...

i see no use for it. for ME. so i don't use it. if you like it i love it for you.

fuck you.

>...like i do when i sync mp3s from my desktop.

Yeah, but the process of finding an album to listen to on Spotify is literally as simple as typing "Joey Bada$$" into the app on my phone, and then I'm listening to the music. Your method involves searching for a torrent or some other place to download the album on your computer, downloading it, unzipping it, making sure it's a legit rip with decent sound quality, plugging your phone/device into your computer, transfering the songs to iTunes or whatever, etc.

If my choice is between doing that for every single one of the random albums I might feel like listening to on a whim on any given day vs. paying $10 a month, I'll pay $10 a month in a second, especially if it's the "legitimate" vs. the "illegitimate" option.

>i see no use for it. for ME. so i don't use it. if you like
>it i love it for you.

Same here dude. I don't care if you don't want to use it, I'm just just saying I've had a great experience with it and I've found my subscription to be an unbelievably great value.

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>>...like i do when i sync mp3s from my desktop.
>
>Yeah, but the process of finding an album to listen to on
>Spotify is literally as simple as typing "Joey Bada$$" into
>the app on my phone, and then I'm listening to the music.

that's not where we are in this subthread. you said that Spotify allows users to sync songs to the device for use when there's no Internet access. i said that sounds just like what i do when i sync mp3s from my desktop to my device. so why should i use Spotify if i want to sync files to my desktop?

Your
>method involves searching for a torrent or some other place to
>download the album on your computer, downloading it, unzipping
>it, making sure it's a legit rip with decent sound quality,
>plugging your phone/device into your computer, transfering the
>songs to iTunes or whatever, etc.

i have never done that.

>If my choice is between doing that for every single one of the
>random albums I might feel like listening to on a whim on any
>given day vs. paying $10 a month, I'll pay $10 a month in a
>second, especially if it's the "legitimate" vs. the
>"illegitimate" option.

sure. but i dunno what you're talking about b/c i don't acquire music that way.

>Same here dude. I don't care if you don't want to use it, I'm
>just just saying I've had a great experience with it and I've
>found my subscription to be an unbelievably great value.

awesome. for you.

fuck you.

some random album crosses your mind, one that you've been meaning to listen to for years but never got around to. bob dylan's 80s discography or some shit.

you have zero interest in owning a physical or digital copy. you really just want to hear it once, so even going through the whole process of finding a fileshare / torrent and waiting on a D/L feels tedious, just to listen once and delete afterwards.

streaming is perfect for that.

and yeah, spotify allows you to sync over wifi and save local copies of anything you want, so crazy data usage isn't a real issue.

i get that it's not for everyone, but like i said, it's easily the best 10 bucks i spend every month. a virtually unlimited supply of music, for the price of 2 lattes? no-brainer.

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i just use Youtube for that.

fuck you.

If I feel like hearing a song/album I don't want to buy, I'll check it out on Beats. Or if I feel like revisiting an album I haven't heard in a long time, or if I want to preview an album. I support what I love, but for everything else, I stream.

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so for instance, i have like "full production discography"
playlists for all of my favorite producers, alchemist,
madlib, preme, etc. that i update periodically.

i just pull up their wiki or discogs page, go through the
spotify catalog, and add everything that's available, usually
in reverse chronological so the latest stuff is at the top.

so i have like a 400+ song alchemist playlist that i can
just throw on shuffle. there's no way i'd buy a big twinz
or big shug or termanology album just for one alc song.
so spotify's great for that too.



>If I feel like hearing a song/album I don't want to buy, I'll
>check it out on Beats. Or if I feel like revisiting an album I
>haven't heard in a long time, or if I want to preview an
>album. I support what I love, but for everything else, I
>stream.

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If I'm not mistaken, using wifi on your phone doesn't use data. So while you can keep certain songs available as offline files on your phone, if you're in an area with wifi - which is damn near everywhere these days - you're able to access a huge database of music and stream it for free (or for $5-$10 a month). And if you have a good data plan, you can still use it when you aren't around Wifi. And the streaming, with and without wifi, doesn't take up space on your phone.

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fuck you.

...nothing like gaming with your own soundtrack playing instead of the same old in game music over and over

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not because "it's free"
but because people can't find the shit where it's supposed to be

foh, Jay-Z.

...and that's cuz i got tired of making/bringing in mix cd's

...i use free sites though...

..everywhere else i either check the radio, or i have music with me...

...i agree that this doesn't help Jay though, but it's an interesting experiment

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Doesn't iTunes have wording that says buyers don't own their music, either? They're just buying a "license" for it? iTunes pulls music sometimes too - probably not as often as Spotify, but I've seen it happen before. And when they pull it, if you don't have the files saved, you won't be able to redownload them from the cloud.

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i'm not into streaming.

fuck you.

Suppose you buy a record on iTunes. Your hard drive crashes, and you want to download those albums back from your iTunes cloud. If the album is removed, you're out of luck - you've lost that album.

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Cool.

fuck you.

this is the problem with DRM based content. Once the license is pulled for that track, even if you have a copy of it you won't be able to play it. The only way around this is if you bought a DRM-free file, which does exist on iTunes.

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that's my main worry.

when I pay for something, I want POSSESSION of it. i don't trust some company's cloud to house shit i paid for. and what if they go outta business???

as I said before, right now, CDs offer the best archival medium with the best sound quality. the exception being, of course, high definition downloads. but I've never been as confident with magnetic (HDs) or flash based storage for long-term archiving. shits fail, while a stamped CD will outlive me if I take care of it.

and vinyl offers an alternative (not "better" for me) listening experience. but i don't see vinyl's existence as threatened by streaming as i do digital formats.

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