Cause if so I gotta go back to a post I made a while back and rethink. Cause I love me some Prince don't get me wrong here. but if he's responsible for that, I'd almost be willing to sacrifice his career just so that putting out music meant playing with people. *almost*

Obviously if not him someone else. But if you know since we just making shit up, if just losing him meant we'd never lose that aspect in music... Prince just might have to go.

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What about the entire 70s folk era (bob, joni)? Or stevie wonder?

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Joni since at latest Court & Spark in '74 once she started getting into the Jazz fusion leaving stuff but even on the earlier, sparser folky/singer-songwriter stuff she was collaborating with that Laurel Canyon crew of artists she hung with at the time (Steven Stills, Graham Nash, James Taylor, Jackson Browne).


Stevie Wonder (once Motown gave him creative control) is a good pre-Prince example tho.

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We all know neither P nor Stevie was the first mainstream act to release a one man project - McCartney had done it b4 either hit with that formula. And others were doing it too like Todd Rundgren.

Stevie may have been the first to be _marketed_ that way as a mainstream act. Paul started Wings after a couple of solo albums. I dunno that Todd was pushed as a one man band - maybe he was. Either way, P wasn't first. In fact I've read P was first promoted as 'the next Stevie Wonder' in part bc of the one man band thing. That right there tells me Stevie was there b4 him.

fuck you.

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it was a shock to me when I first learned Stevie was responsible for most of the instrumentation on his classic albums. I didn't know he played live drums until I was almost a legal adult.

and when I became more educated on him, I learned this was often marketed, even in his albums' liner notes.

w/o that, I don't know if WB takes the chance on Prince in the same way.

you're right about Todd. I'm not clear about whether he was marketed, but he and Stevie are the first people that I think of when I think about the "components" of the Prince phenomenon.

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>Cause if so I gotta go back to a post I made a while back and
>rethink. Cause I love me some Prince don't get me wrong here.
>but if he's responsible for that, I'd almost be willing to
>sacrifice his career just so that putting out music meant
>playing with people. *almost*
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>Obviously if not him someone else. But if you know since we
>just making shit up, if just losing him meant we'd never lose
>that aspect in music... Prince just might have to go.
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>"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

Get Prince's career away from that volcano! But I understand. The farce of one cut in a room by himself making up a bunch of stuff with NO ONE helping him grew to be a ridiculous idea to me about 10 years ago. I don't know if it was 'finding out' about the folks who were in sessions with Stevie or if it was as simple as the whole Lauryn Hill lawsuit stuff. R. Kelly's stuff opened the door for me too.

I'd much rather have talented folks working with/for one force who gets the final say. Kanye for instance...the more people who are around to cuss him out/call him wack/fix his drums/make him do shit over/murder him with their appearances/write something with and for him, the better.

>I'd much rather have talented folks working with/for one force
>who gets the final say. Kanye for instance...the more people
>who are around to cuss him out/call him wack/fix his
>drums/make him do shit over/murder him with their
>appearances/write something with and for him, the better.

do you really believe that?

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>>I'd much rather have talented folks working with/for one
>force
>>who gets the final say. Kanye for instance...the more people
>>who are around to cuss him out/call him wack/fix his
>>drums/make him do shit over/murder him with their
>>appearances/write something with and for him, the better.
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>do you really believe that?

Kanye is a bad example of a 'musically talented' person considering this post features comments on bands, steveland, and Mr. Nelson. At worst, he's a super awesome puffy. But I buy that Kanye is far better off when other people are around to help him/bail him out of bad ideas or execution. Whether it is musically, lyrically, or conceptually, it always seems like someone is there to help him get closer to pulling off what he's going for. Cocaine is a helluva drug tho. As is success and the mindset of people who want a certain amount of it. And being a mama's boy.

Prince wasn't the first...Paul, Stevie, Todd, hell even Ray Parker Jr was doing the one man band thing.

The difference though? Prince was obsessed with having that one man band control...More obsessed than Stevie, Paul and the like....

Stevie could pull off that one man band thing BRILLIANTLY. But he wasn't afraid to include needed players. Some of his best work still was fueled by the band dynamic.

Mike Sembello, Raymond Pounds, Nathan Watts, Ben Bridges, Greg Phillinganes, Nathan Watts, Herbie Hancock, and others proved to be a great unit for Stevie. SITKOF features both one man band Wonder and band leader Wonder.

That's what makes Prince the greatest of his era (like Stevie was during his run). Because P took Stevie's one man band mystique and pushed that shit to ll.

When you listen to a game-changing album like 1999 it's even more impressive when you realize that except for Dez pulling guitar duties on "Little Red Corvette" that album is 99.9 percent instrument wise Prince.

That shit is pretty much crazy....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

>The difference though? Prince was obsessed with having that one man band control.

And the time was right technologically too. We went over this in that post 6-7 years ago.

it.

Current example is Drake didn't start #hashtag rap, but he "popularized" it, so to speak,
because he did it so much. He even stated outright that he'd gotten it from Big Sean, but...
well you know the story.

With Prince, somehow he was always known as that guy who played all his own
instruments (perhaps due to his television performance where he jumped from instrument
to instrument). While Stevie had done the same thing, there's also the "Songs In The Key of Life" doc,
where Stevie brought in a gang of musicians to play on the album. So while we knew
Stevie was capable of playing all the instruments on an album, we also knew he wasn't
dead set on it to the point where it was part of his identity the way it has always been
with Prince. I think that's why Prince "popularized" it, even though he did say, on the
Vibe talk show with Sinbad (remember that? lol), "Well as a kid, I saw Stevie Wonder
playing all the instruments on tv, and I wanted to be like him" when asked "so what
made you wanna play so many instruments?"

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when Stevie's Music of My Mind and Talking Book albums were released in 1972 the 'one man band' aspect of their creation was a selling point.

i can tell b/c i've seen print ads from back then plus when i read reviews of those albums most reviewers mention the fact that Stevie played all but a handful of the instruments on each album. (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/albumreviews/music-of-my-mind-19720427)

Warner Bros did the same w/Prince's first album. and they billed him as 'the new Stevie' in part b/c they knew the audience was familiar w/Stevie's one man projects.

fuck you.

so it was seen differently.
Beside the aforementioned point about it being such a huge part of Prince's identity,
all of it was viewed as more of an attempt to create an identity for Stevie, for one,
and it was a very transitional part of Stevie's career.
It was something he started doing as opposed to something Prince always did.
Prince was never known as "Little Prince" to the public (unless they met him in person, lol)
Even though they were around the same age when they were marketed that way,
Stevie's career leading up to that point can't be discounted in how he was viewed.
And again, the SITKOL doc proves Stevie wasn't attached to the one man band mystique element.

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This was years after he'd been marketed as a one man band on his first album. Not unlike the way Stevie fronted a band on SITKOL - though not really bc Stevie was still billed as a solo act while Prince was billed as a group leader a few hrs after his debut. And I think Stevie's prior career has no bearing on this discussion or on his marketing as a one man band in the early 70s. Point remains - Prince wasn't the first to popularize the one man band thing. That was Stevie.

fuck you.

>And I think Stevie's prior career has no bearing on this discussion

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fuck you.

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that way and had no impact on the public's reception of the promotion.

but i take it back...Stevie's prior success and Motown's wish to keep him on its roster may have influenced the label's decision to sign him again before the release of Music of My Mind and to release that album. b/c Motown may have been hesitant to release that album - it was kinda risky in 1972 and was such a departure from Stevie's prior work and from Motown tradition (no Funk Brothers or even LA session musicians) and even Soul/R&B tradition (no band at all). Berry Gordy isn't known as a label exec who loved taking chances w/his superstar acts (What's Going On was held for months b/c Gordy was skurred). Stevie had threatened to leave Motown and would've taken that album w/him. i wonder if Clive Davis at CBS (at the time) would've been more receptive. or the folks over at Atlantic. or even Stax. maybe even Warner. possibly ABC (if it still existed then). i wonder if they'd have been more likely to sign Stevie and release MOMM. anyway, Stevie's prior success may have given him the leverage he needed to get that new contract at Motown. if so i see the impact his prior success could've had on his being marketed as a one-man band.

fuck you.

Prince was a signpost along the road, but people aren't doing everything themselves now because of Prince. He's a minor factor at best. What really happened was the simultaneous emergence of cheap home studio equipment and software, combined with the internet and filesharing putting a huge dent in the available budgets to make music. Nobody since Napster and ProTools both became a thing is going to even attempt to put together a P-Funk-style collective of top notch musicians. They just make do. Even having a functional four piece band is increasingly rare. I'm surprised how many bands signed to my label and the labels owned by friends of mine are really just two or three guys, plus buddies filling in on recordings, or one of the core members playing all the bass parts on the side. And metal is a very band-oriented genre.

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fuck you.

than Prince.

This cat I know in his 50s said he realized he could be a one-man-band when Kashif
visited his school and played hella different instruments on his keyboard.

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Being a one-man band would've cost a fortune in 1985. It was much easier to just formulate a band. Nowadays it's the opposite. It's more expensive to buy all the gear that a band needs than it is to be a one-man bedroom producer.

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Not much I want to talk about that hasn't already been covered... multiple times over

funny part, like i alluded to in the op, i was searching for another (not as) old post to bump this up in.

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Props for raising it again. These kind of posts are what I think of when I think back on the lesson. Was good seeing something like it again on my occasional pop in.

You've been one of the main ones holding it down in here from what I've seen.

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Is Stevie's output that much more valuable to you than Prince's?
Just asking.

shit i listen to new stevie more than new prince. i get in prince moods and start pulling out old shit and love every minute of it. but i don't even have to be in a stevie mood. put him on and it's like he knows what i need to feel.

yeah that sounded awkward *shrug*

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Stevie and others did the one man band thing but Prince was definitely the one that made being a one man band a huge part of his mythology and mystique as the quiet genius who played over 35 instruments, wrote and produced everything, didn't do any covers, etc. Then you factor in the whole interracial band element and it can be argued that Prince and his success sealed the fate of the all Black band. There were plenty of Black bands that came out post Stevie but how many can we name post Prince?

matter of fact when Prince first came out he was called the new Stevie Wonder.

Stevie Wonder was more impressive with his and in hindsight his songwriting and Instrumentation Prowness is ten times better than Prince.

the Only thing Prince got away with his in his Drum prgramming and the skelton sound production.

however Stevie Wonder has a voice on Keys, Harmonica and Drums. Stevie had the better goods.

Prince was sold to make it more mainstream and it came with the tag,however in hindsight alot of it was cute and fluffy and didn't hold up.

truth is Sly Stone and Jimi Hendrix were one man bands. alot of cats are one Man bands. no biggie and in truth nobody does it all alone anyways, because the record companys veto songs and things.

its a marketing ploy that was cute once upon a time and fell out.

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"Prince was sold to make it more mainstream and it came with the tag,however in hindsight alot of it was cute and fluffy and didn't hold up"

You can't call his output over the last 20 years shit then turn around and shit on his classic period too.. if both of these were true he'd be begging to be a judge on some talent show somewhere instead of playing to sold out crowds all over the world.

And the Stevie thing don't work in the context they are talking about here. Stevie's impact was as a song writer.. and while he was praised for his proficiency as a musician it didn't change the face of the genre as happened once P blew up. Of course tech played a role here but that was my point in the thread I made years ago... Prince was the right guy at the right time.

as fill in the blank of other acts that did well in said era.

Garth Brooks rides off the 90's and he still does big business off that.

nobody jocks Prince from the 90's til now except as a oldies but goodies act. and how did those last two albums do again on a Major Label? Prince "L" Nelson and still crying and moaning.

he is no dummy he knows the hits sell. however that 80's period is all he got period.

and please Stevie Wonder>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Prince all day and in every kind of way. Stevie was one of the Blueprints for Prince and for the record Prince can't never see out of Stevie's glasses.

he can't carry Stevie's frames in any way. Stevie is better in everything you throw at me.

Songwriter

Producer, arranger

Instrumentalist,

singer

Stevie got better foot work as well and he can't see.

and plays more styles and better.

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>truth is Sly Stone and Jimi Hendrix were one man bands. alot
>of cats are one Man bands. no biggie and in truth nobody does
>it all alone anyways, because the record companys veto songs
>and things.
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>its a marketing ploy that was cute once upon a time and fell
>out.
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that's a crazy stretch. i haven't honestly listened to Sly Stone's catalog intensely. i've listened to it, but not as much as I have Jimi's. i know the bass parts kind of get drowned out by Jimi's guitar playing, but Mitch Mitchell is grossly underrated on the drums. It's very sad because of how good he really was.

...however, he played many of the basslines on "Electric Ladyland". Additionally, he had guests like Jack Cassidy (Jefferson Airplane= playing bass on several songs as well.
The truth is that Noel was a pretty crap bassist who became a member of the band because of his hairstyle more-or-less; even live, you can hear that while Jimi and Mitch go out on long, free-form jams, Noel just drones a note on a string or play the basic riffs.

While that may objectively seem like a weakness compared with a band like, say, Cream where the bassist was *really* playing along, I can't help but feel that Redding's wackness kind of pushed Jimi, like he had no noticeable groove or harmony in the background to fall back on so he just freaked out more. With the superior Billy Cox in the band, I actually feel Jimi's improvs became more "grounded" rhythmically and harmonically as heard on "Band of gypsys" as well as the live-recordings from Jimi's last months.

Anyway, as an improviser, I think Jimi sounded the best in 69 and Redding was superwack then; a good example of how a shitty musician can push a genius one better than a solid musician can...

In jazz, it doesn't work like that but in rock, I think it often does; not too sure Jerry Garcia would have ripped it like he did if he was backed by the aforementioned Cream or Soft Machine or (insert rare rock band with stunning rhythm-section)...

Rick James, Bootsy Collins, alot of cats. its really not that surprising because most acts who can play guitar, knew bass, keys and drums.

now when cats can play Sax or trumpet on top of that then I'm blown away a bit.

miller could play skins, however Hendrix could multi task. folks don't always talk about that.

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and it sold alot of myth and hype.

the only reason why ray parker jr didn't pull it off was because Arista was about the ladies and also Clive davis never invested in cats like that.

when the industry wants something they tend to make it happen and vice versa.

Rick James could have had the tag as well except Motown wasn't spending and he was too Black and threatening.

with Prince they wanted to sell cross over,appeal with talent.

however once Madonna blew up they started to moonwalk from Prince. cheaper spending with a lesser talent however who still had money tracks,etc...

i mean Frankie Beverly sold a one man control thing as well.

however the record companys still took said loot. so in the end it really didn't matter.

the irony when prince started doing cover songs, he truly sank and stunk. once his hype fell off well you know the rest

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But Prince could have stopped recording after Controversy and he'd still be 10x the artist Ray was. Let's get real here.

for help right before his 2nd album came out and Ray told him that the Prince album was good.Ray set his Home Studio up uncredited.

Ray is a Better Songwriter, and Producer.to me.Raydio>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the time

Ray with a Woman needs love is more versatile in a slow jam than Prince did.

if you said 1999 then i might listen, however Prince was outside looking in until 82 and naw he wasn't seeing Ray until the 1999 album IMO.

and anyway Prince is still one of the Most Overrated acts ever.

and in 2015 i listen to far more Ray Parker Jr than Prince.

truth is I listen to more of Junior than Prince.

Prince is one of those acts that unless you were there then you can't really understand the hype in hindsight and as i have said to yo before

Prince is for the kids and alot of his stuff is dated and doesn't hold up.

we cool man and much respect. ill listen to ray parker jr now far more.

i'd rather listen to two places at the same time than anything by prince.

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I'ma go listen to those Raydio albums now

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>I'ma go listen to those Raydio albums now

I first heard his first solo album. I think he kind of fell off with making those albums as he became more of the "attraction" but I ride for the entire Raydio catalog, his first solo album, and moments beyond that, especially the stuff he produced (man was bad!)

it kind of kills me he let the dude Randy Hall (for example) have some of the illest shit but wouldn't record stuff like that on his own record.

"you make me feel like dancing" which went undcredited and blew up for Leo Sayer.

Ray did work with Stevie Wonder,Barry White, Marvin Gaye, Dizzy Glissppee, Chaka Khan and Rufus,etc...

all before his 20nth birthday.

so underrated and a brief cameo in "uptown saturday night" on stage

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Rick james and Lionel Richie and got caught being corny with it after a while. when he was in his zone, he just tried to keep up and lost his own balance and after ghostbusters he was musically pan handling with it, however in his prime and peak he was tight.

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>Rick james and Lionel Richie and got caught being corny with
>it after a while. when he was in his zone, he just tried to
>keep up and lost his own balance and after ghostbusters he was
>musically pan handling with it, however in his prime and peak
>he was tight.

he had a funny sort of "classy version of Rick James" attitude, not only in song structure (and some cases lyrical content), but in instrumentation. that's what I always enjoyed about his music in that period.

But then he would try to break into that Lionel Richie ballad mode. Only, he ain't got Lionel's voice.

I think his last couple albums post-Ghostbusters were cool. though hilarious how in one point, he basically remade a Ralph Tresvant song with his vocals.

Now "I'm Free"? I will defer to Brother Pro on that one... LOL

Ray himself said how he was amazed at how freaky Rick James got and he was able to get away with it. Rick had Ray Parker Jr and Marvin Gaye amongest others turned out on his funk and it worked.


yeah Ray tried to do the Lionel except he went there after " a woman needs love" right after he primed and peak.

i liked I don't think man should sleep alone though he was biting Jam and Lewis a bit there. well as for him and Ralph trasvant only fitting after New Edition saved "Mr Telephone man. the first time it was put out it went glad bag. so New Edition brought him some much needed cashy cash.

ray was a blueprint for Babyface and La. however its a trip Face had a big career,however he came around at the right time when Clive Davis could give that boutique label and cash to hype.

you know Ray was sad after a cat like Puffy got the clive green light and a label called drum roll please "BAD BOY" talk about irony

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There is no doubt a difference in those catalogs. Not saying Ray wasn't the driving force but the sound he had while they were together is light years better than Ray's solo stuff. Reminds me a little of Babyface's sound post LA. Brother had straight up jams then splits from LA and it's ballad city.

>Prince is one of those acts that unless you were there then
>you can't really understand the hype in hindsight and as i
>have said to yo before

i didn't really get into Prince until i was an adult, and cared less about the hype when i was younger
...maybe i'm the exception to your rule though

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I rest my case.

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WB was willing to take a chance on P's one-man-band thing b/c Motown had already had big time crossover success pushing Stevie that way.

fuck you.

over the place with some solid interesting answers, strong debates and the usual Prince-ain't-shit pushback...

As others have said, Prince wasn't the first to do that one man band thing. Even the most Purple drank sipping STAN will admit to that...

But he was the first to make it his calling card. And his success as a one-man band artist was connected to the rise of technology allowing Prince to do it all on record...So this wasn't any deity shit. Dude simply took advantage of the time and the fact that he was eaten by the music monster and was a complete obsessive....

On another note, it's going to be interesting when (or if) Prince ever allows a proper look-back at his '80s and early '90s run....Beyond his live shows Prince's greatness gets lost in translation at times given that he hasn't gone hard in the paint with reissues of his classic work.

You get the sense that this new generation knows Prince as a musical legend who should be revered. They know some of the big hits and they are aware that he kicks ass live...

BUT...

They don't know exactly WHY he is great. That's his fault. Prince needs to allow a peek behind that curtain. His legacy deserves better....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

it's like...then step aside and let the right ppl curate the old stuff. but don't block it.

i assume that's at least part of why he signed w/WB again. i hope so.

fuck you.

>it's like...then step aside and let the right ppl curate the
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>i assume that's at least part of why he signed w/WB again. i
>hope so.

I hope so as well.
P's stubbornness doesn't help him... or his bottom line, LOL

fuck you.

Indeed....A LOT of money.....

We talking about a dude that doesn't even have proper management right now. There's a reason he's been doing the whole Hit & Run thing tour wise. He refuses to have the proper support system around him to take advantage of his legend...

I'm sure part of his refusal to look back has a lot to do with ego and a bit to do with his JW beliefs (dude wants to scrub some of his RUDE BOY past from record....lol)

It's really a shame. Prince needs to give up the ghost and let the public enjoy what made him the legend that he is....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

i wanted to download an mp3 of 'God (Love Theme From Purple Rain)' - it's the instrumental version of 'God' which was only released as the b-side of the 'Purple Rain' 12 inch single in the UK. the mp3 is available for sale at amazon.co.uk - but only to customers w/a UK address and using a UK credit card. so i couldn't download it from Amazon. Amazon US and Beatport Pro claimed to have it but their mp3s are actually the vocal version of 'God' - which i already own b/c i ripped it from the Hits/B-Side CD yrs ago.

so i couldn't buy the damned mp3 legally. what was i to do? not have the damned song? as for what i actually did: https://media1.giphy.com/media/mR9dWo88e5jFe/200_s.gif

it's fucking stupid. i don't understand why he or any similarly situated act is making it so difficult for customers to access their product via pay channels. if we can't get it that way what do they think we're gonna do? just not have it? in 2015?

fuck you.

how would a 15 year old music snob discover prince?

he scrubs evidence of his existence off of YouTube.

he is squeamish about
putting his back catalouge out there.

how will snobs know they are
"supposed" to investigate prince
the way we investigate the Beatles or Dylan or Stevie?

even ppl my age don't know prince as an artist that has a
golden era.

and really, i have the musical perspective of somebody that is
claw or old pro's age.


the generation after me knows
that prince plays all the instruments, if they know anything about him at all.

his legacy is in danger of being forgotten, I think.

>how would a 15 year old music snob discover prince?
>
>he scrubs evidence of his existence off of YouTube.
>
>he is squeamish about
>putting his back catalouge out there.
>
>how will snobs know they are
>"supposed" to investigate prince
>the way we investigate the Beatles or Dylan or Stevie?
>
>even ppl my age don't know prince as an artist that has a
>golden era.
>
>and really, i have the musical perspective of somebody that is
>
>claw or old pro's age.
>
>
>the generation after me knows
>that prince plays all the instruments, if they know anything
>about him at all.
>
>his legacy is in danger of being forgotten, I think.



^^^^^

The hope is he's serious about that catalogue deal he made with WB. That's the HOPE....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

>and really, i have the musical perspective of somebody that is
>
>claw or old pro's age.

I'm younger than a lot of people think, lol. but I also remember Prince quite vividly in my early years, especially that Purple Rain era of music. to the point I was actually disappointed by his '90s material ("My Name Is Prince" is what really did it for me). Only now am I coming back to it and finding stuff I really like.

when I was on my way out of HS, I went back to Prince and went through as much of his studio material as I could muster. My lil bro had a copy of a Prince "hits" album. "Controversy" was on it, and all of a sudden, it ALL came back: those synths, those vocals, that poster of him in the bathroom my cousin had on her wall. I had to hear more of this.

I think the only way younger people get introduced is through sampling, really. even though Prince pooh-poohs a lot of that. but one good example was how I think there was a Lil B record that sampled Vanity 6. and since Prince is less eager to pooh-pooh his proteges' work, there were like 5011 comments like "THANK YOU BASED GOD" because of it.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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They are not on spotify and their legacy is rarely-if ever-present in stuff like commercials, movies and other things that can help turn younger generations on to old music. There was a very interesting article some months ago in Wall Street Journal where critic Jim Fusilli wrote about Bing Crosby and Bob Hope and how their once bulletproof status as entertainers that "everyone" knows has been eroded and diminished to "White Christmas" and so on; note that Bing Crosby was considered an innovative and game-changing singer not to mention by FAR the most successful artist in the pre-rock'n'roll era. Do the kids care? No, they stopped caring already in the 60's if not earlier. Fusilli asked why people assume that Beatles or Dylan won't share the same fate.

I kind of suspect Beatles relevance are on its last legs myself and them making their art as inaccessible to people as possible i nthe face of new technology sure won't help...

i'm relatively young (23) and without the lesson I might have not delved into Prince's catalogue at all. My parents didn't play Prince like that, it was more Stevie, Marvin, Aretha etc. People in my age range, even music nerds (which I am, I mean, look where I am posting), generally aren't that big on prince, and it can't be because his music isn't accessible; I truly believe that if he had shit up on youtube people my age would be more into him.

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>
>over the place with some solid interesting answers, strong
>debates and the usual Prince-ain't-shit pushback...
>
>As others have said, Prince wasn't the first to do that one
>man band thing. Even the most Purple drank sipping STAN will
>admit to that...
>

No they won't.

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and like Little Richard said a little bit of something is better than a whole lot of nothing and Prince burned his own music out.

it was no conspiracy or hip hop or new jack swing, the cat put out too much hit and miss material and when he tried to sound like what was happening, then he came off played out and lost.

i don't blame him for not putting alot of that mess back on re issue because truly aside for 80-84 and sign o the times.

most of the other stuff is scattered hit stuff and most folks would only be intersted in about 3 of his main albums.

i mean the cat ain't made no music statement truly in about almost 30 years. his 90's stuff til now is about running neck and neck with Lenny Kravitz and that alone he outta be ashamed of himself.

but he never build on what he did in the 80's and his skeleton based sound which worked for a while, backfired on him
and the cat tired to sound and embrace the past and he went from being on something, to getting old over night to alot of folks.

and he missed the boat as far as selling his past, had he done the remaster thing back in the late 90's early 00's than yeah, however now that cat is only Purple Rain to most folks and that is what he carries as his jewel

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honestly, internet persona, arguing for the sake of arguing, and trolling aside, who would you rather listen to? prince or little richard?

and did it all. Prince owes part of his career to Little RIchard. do you know how important Little RIchard was to careers? half the main acts out of England owe a debt to this man.

ask Paul Mccartney and Keith Richards and David Bowie about Little Richard.

Little Richard said it best about Prince back in 87 a little bit of something is better than a whole lot of nothing. he felt Prince put too much out and not of high quality and i co sign that sentiment and statement.

case in point let Prince do a show now with his stuff from 1990 til now
and watch more folks leave and bounce on the spot.

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>and did it all. Prince owes part of his career to Little
>RIchard. do you know how important Little RIchard was to
>careers? half the main acts out of England owe a debt to this
>man.
>
>ask Paul Mccartney and Keith Richards and David Bowie about
>Little Richard.
>
>Little Richard said it best about Prince back in 87 a little
>bit of something is better than a whole lot of nothing. he
>felt Prince put too much out and not of high quality and i co
>sign that sentiment and statement.
>
>case in point let Prince do a show now with his stuff from
>1990 til now
>and watch more folks leave and bounce on the spot.
>
>

i normally agree with you on some of your more extreme views. i have found myself chuckling and even breaking out into full fits of laughter when you call people jive turkeys, when ranting and raving about Michael Jackson. or some of the more off hand comments you say when comparing music folks of today to music folks of the past.

the majority of the time, i think your posts are so funny, because you truly believe them. at the cost of pissing off the other posters, and starting internet beefs, i've read you post some pretty biting remarks. almost immediate jugular.


however, i can't rock with you on this one. maybe you're right about "let Prince do a show now with his stuff from 1990 til now" comment. but as far as everything before that. his catalog and work he's done with others and his influence...i know you don't believe what you said about you'd rather listen to Little Richard versus Prince.

simple litmus test...

name Little Richard's ten best songs, name Prince's ten best songs. you can include their passes too. (ie songs they wrote for other people)

Little Richard didn't pander himself out as badly as Prince.

also Little RIchard's influence is huge Man. Paul Mccartney til this day as David Bowie and the Godfather of Soul James Brown owe a debt to Little RIchard.

sorry but a cat with 25 plus years of weak forgettable material ain't nothing too memorable. at least with Little RIchard he got saved and changed up his thing.

however he stayed with what he did best.

Prince was good back in the day, however alot of his stuff simply doesn't hold up to me and my ears.

we can play the ten best here and the ten best there and yet we both set in our ways and thats cool.

Prince is a Smart cat and he has talent.but he smart to know that alot of his stuff is corny and forgotten and i don't blame him, turn away from that mess. even when people were buying albums, cds and tapes, they still weren't buying that Turkey like that.

he pad a peak and prime and then fell off and never came back, though this cat been trying to have it his way like He is Burger king for over 25 years.

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DAVID Bowie he played alot of instruments.

Eddie Van Halen. dude got a strong sound on guitar and keys.

even though he ain't white white Freddie Mercury. he played alot of things.

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Prince joins a long list of one-man-band talents....

But I will say this. Dude is arguably the most gifted "musician" of his era...Hell, maybe in the last 30 or so years...

I remember an interview with Eric Clapton who has basically seen them all. And he basically said if Prince was white people would be throwing a parade for dude every day...lol

It's like Jimmy Jam said about dude...Prince jumps on the guitar and kicks your ass. Jumps on the bass and kicks your ass...keyboards, drums...kicks your ass. When you are around a musician that can play your own instrument as good or even better than you that's some other shit...

Beyond all the silly back and forth and STANNING that was a huge part of the Lesson for years, professional musicians get it. When everyone from Miles Davis to Dave Grohl call you one of the greatest musicians of all time beyond the politics it's tough to call bullshit...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

what did he do better than Michael Jackson,Lionel RIchie, Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, R.Kelly,RIck James,Sly Stone, Jimi Hendrix,Kid Creole,Smokey RObinson, Maurice White,

you are entitle to your Opnion and that is fair, however Prince been a joke from the studio side for over a quarter of a century.

ain't like nobody been talking about a Prince jam in when?

lets break this down once and for all.

Prince is a Hit and Miss Songwriter at best.

Marginal SInger at best.

marginal Drummer.

Program beats Great. probably the best thing he did musically.

Guitar: very good especially on RHythm.

take or leave his leads and his solos.

acoustic hit or miss.

Keyboards the old minneapolis sound was great.
as a piano player he is good.

Bass underrated and really good. though he ain't seeing no top tier bass players. ain't like Bernard Edwards had anything to worry about.

and while the Minnapolis sound was happening and tight for back in the day, he never hit a sound like Stevie Wonder did.

Stevie would eat that turkey for breakfast. watch Prince with Stevie Wonder for the Chaka Khan tribute and watch how natural Stevie is and how Prince overacts and over the top.

only Purple Stans are like that about him. i ain't the only person who finds him Overrated and while he has talent,no arugument there, he also underachieved and put out alot of cornball and sorry but 25 years of glad bag can't be erased.

Prince never adapted to change and never updated his sound and while that One Man band tag was fashionable back in 85,thirty years later its sold a dollar thrift shop on clearence for half off and folks ain't interested.

folks pay respect for his time of happening, however this ain't the mid 80's

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>what did he do better than Michael Jackson,Lionel RIchie,
>Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, R.Kelly,RIck James,Sly Stone, Jimi
>Hendrix,Kid Creole,Smokey RObinson, Maurice White,
>
>you are entitle to your Opnion and that is fair, however
>Prince been a joke from the studio side for over a quarter of
>a century.
>
>ain't like nobody been talking about a Prince jam in when?
>
>lets break this down once and for all.
>
>Prince is a Hit and Miss Songwriter at best.
>
>Marginal SInger at best.
>
>marginal Drummer.
>
>Program beats Great. probably the best thing he did
>musically.
>
>Guitar: very good especially on RHythm.
>
>take or leave his leads and his solos.
>
>acoustic hit or miss.
>
>Keyboards the old minneapolis sound was great.
>as a piano player he is good.
>
>Bass underrated and really good. though he ain't seeing no
>top tier bass players. ain't like Bernard Edwards had anything
>to worry about.
>
>and while the Minnapolis sound was happening and tight for
>back in the day, he never hit a sound like Stevie Wonder did.
>
>Stevie would eat that turkey for breakfast. watch Prince with
>Stevie Wonder for the Chaka Khan tribute and watch how natural
>Stevie is and how Prince overacts and over the top.
>
>only Purple Stans are like that about him. i ain't the only
>person who finds him Overrated and while he has talent,no
>arugument there, he also underachieved and put out alot of
>cornball and sorry but 25 years of glad bag can't be erased.
>
>Prince never adapted to change and never updated his sound and
>while that One Man band tag was fashionable back in 85,thirty
>years later its sold a dollar thrift shop on clearence for
>half off and folks ain't interested.
>
>folks pay respect for his time of happening, however this
>ain't the mid 80's

now do the same for little richard.

lol...

Never change, homie. Never change...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

she was badd on alot of things and she was a way better rapper than Prince fo sho.

teenna could hold it down.

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Hey...after all these years homie, it's obvious...U r not a fan of Prince and think he's the most overrated artist who has ever breathed air...You've said everyone from Freddie Jackson to Ray Parker Jr. was better than Prince......

I support your right to your opinion....But the die is cast on your very strong aversion to Prince....

It's all good, dog. Do you and stay positive....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

and his Warner crew (specially in the age of Songs In The Key running everything) were in heavy pursuit of finding "their own Stevie"

CBS used The Harvard Report to get their feet wet in black music, and acquiring George Benson and Prince in the same year (well Benson in 76, Prince in 77 signing) was Warner's answer.

NO! LIST
Tom Petty
M J
Zeppelin
Springsteen
Neil Young
Eagles
Ray Charles
Madonna
Chuck Berry
South Park TV Songs
Justin Timberlake
"Food Glorious Food"
"Twilight Zone" theme
"A Boy Named Sue"
"Night Moves"
"The Situation"
"Superbowl Shuffle"

and when they teamed him up on the R&B tip.

Prince was suppose to be produced by Maurice White though Prince wanted to do a Brothers johnson type of thing.we will never know

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she presented miseducation as being all produced by her

which it allegedly was not.

and since then?

nada.

the fugees hit on the 2nd album and the all the covers down to the album cover,

the miseducation was important along with her singing and rapping.

she hit like gangbusters at once,however that scary unplugged set all but burried her.

her problem is she hasn't dropped a money track and she let it all go.

in truth she was the IT Chick before Beyonce. and when i say that She truly was on lock with the game.

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Check out the latest Music Snobs podcast for more on this idea. One of the theories that they suggest is that Lauryn is struggling with the expectations of her genius after Miseducation. They wondered out loud whether see can ever reach those heights again (or if she ever really did by herself).

ain't no protecting a one Album wonder who was really a never was.

the Carol King Meets Nina Simone aingle was posh and cute as long as she could be Carly Simon to Wyclef's James taylor, however they each sank and never were the same after 99.

funny how John Stephens known to yall as John Legend played on that record, etc,,, and got a healthy career despite never reaching those heights set on that record?

she choked and never is to be heard from again and she had it all and blew it musically.

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>ain't no protecting a one Album wonder who was really a never
>was.
>
>the Carol King Meets Nina Simone aingle was posh and cute as
>long as she could be Carly Simon to Wyclef's James taylor,
>however they each sank and never were the same after 99.
>
>funny how John Stephens known to yall as John Legend played
>on that record, etc,,, and got a healthy career despite never
>reaching those heights set on that record?
>
>she choked and never is to be heard from again and she had it
>all and blew it musically.



her own choices 'killed' her career.

i don't think she's particularly burdened by the expectation that she self-produce - she's said she chose to downshift her career to protect her family from *insert ramblings about various conspiracies*.



^^^just a quick observation. how is it that we're in a Prince thread and we manage to go in on Lauryn Hill yet again? how come Andre gets the pass but Lauryn Hill always gets boo'd at the Apollo? wait, that really happened. drops arguably one of the best albums in the past quarter of a century by any recording artist in all genres of music. moves units and it still ain't enough. her hot line turned into a hot song for one of Kanye's first major singles.

she moved how many units? WHEN PEOPLE STILL PURCHASED CDS FOR AT LEAST 10 to 20 BUCKS EACH and "the man" said she owed a million in back taxes. all these ridiculous ass kickstarters and gofundmes and music fans and the black community couldn't pull together to keep her from going to jail?

i mean since we manage to keep tellin her "she ain't shit!" she probably feels like musically she "don't owe us shit." i don't blame her. and as far as her ramblings about various conspiracies, how do i know you aren't a plant/payroller placed there to keep the "lauryn hill ain't shit in the okpforum/internet psyche powers that be agenda," alive?

listen to "what a job" by devin the dude, snoop and andre and listen to Andre's verse. that part about him meeting some fans.

it's not an attack on you, but i just get tired of the red scare that is Lauryn Hill.

to stay true to the original post. Prince is like Michael Jackson, but with instruments. His impact on music is understated. Him and Michael were the 80s. Jordan or Magic?

she fell off and Andre was a never was. what i call a good made for tv music artist who never took off like he should. at worst Andre could have had Drake's career. Andre had a chance for a long haul however he can't match it solo to what he did with outkast.


Michael Jackson was a One Man Industry period. he opened the door for others period. in hindsight the only artist back then hanging with MJ was Lionel Richie. because of the group thing and big hits in group and solo.

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