8. "RE: "i get money" was a soundclick special version of "ima hustla"" In response to Reply # 2
>2+ years after the original record was out. > >50 didn't do shit for that beat because 50 has never had the >energy or the vocal registry to really hold down a hard joint >(PAUSE MAN PAUSE). > >as far as those rae tracks mattering - nah i don't tink they >did to anyone outside of the internet rap community.
I barely even recall I Get Money but Cassidy is incredibly ass. More ass than Fif for sure.
18. "RE: It's for sure. Otherwise we gotta go back to the 90's" In response to Reply # 10
have we forgotten empire state of mind already?
Shit is that the last Rap record to go #1? definitely the last sample based rap record
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33. "RE: Exactly, the drums hit hard but that was the corporate version of" In response to Reply # 27
I was responding to Rtistic though not the OP
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I guess it really depends on your definition of "hard" and "matters". D.O.A. was a banger and there was nothing really radio friendly about it and it certainly had people bumping it and discussing it back in 09.
15. "need to know what "actually mattered" means?" In response to Reply # 0 Mon Mar-02-15 11:07 AM by southphillyman
sales? spins? universal appeal? i think a lot of songs are being overlooked but maybe i don't know the standard being used here would ballin count as "hard"
19. "RE: can you count RTJ as east coast?" In response to Reply # 17
That shit was recorded in the woods.. lol upstate
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26. "I'd say this is the case for most ''non-pop'' music nowadays..." In response to Reply # 25
>"matters" > >RTJ is the exact kind of act that does not "matter" outside >the scope of the internet and people whose worldview is >entirely derived from it
...so I'm not sure it's much of a relevant critique any longer. The "middle-ground" has largely disappeared so we are dealing with pop on one hand and then everything else is more-or-less underground... And of course, that means that the underground-scene is very big if you add it all together but you won't find many individual *acts*/songs/albums/whatever rising above the din from a relative standpoint.
RTJ is one that actually managed to rise a little bit above the din in terms of exposure/accolades/even sales...
So yeah, I doubt we will see many "hard" Hip-Hop songs (or non-pop *anything*) that will truly *matter* by your definition in the future... Some people have a hard time coming to terms with this, especially us who are old enough to remember the 90's but I think people need to get used to it...
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32. "dawg, RTJ shits is on Adult Swim EVERY night" In response to Reply # 25
>"matters" > >RTJ is the exact kind of act that does not "matter" outside >the scope of the internet and people whose worldview is >entirely derived from it
They got bumps with music from at least two songs from the first RTJ joint and I see 'em every day.
Fuck the radio at this point, they're gettin heard nationwide from TV spins.
No internet necessary.
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36. "i should probably qualify" In response to Reply # 25
sorry, when it comes to my anti-rtj stance i can get 1.2x douchey
by "matters" i mean "women are aware of"
women are largely not aware of rtj as those women are not watching adult swim, espn and do not know them to see them tour (though they've been getting a lot of festivals) nor watch their viral videos. rtj has a ton of exposure, but it's all largely with the
you may consider that splitting hairs, but imo music hasn't really crossed over/"matters" in the mainstream unless women are aware of it
women are aware of bobby shmurda, not so much rtj
sure you can blame music politics or whatever, but you can also blame the fact that their music sounds like wwe entrance music (ok no more jabs)
44. "The radio barely matters any more" In response to Reply # 25
>"matters" > >RTJ is the exact kind of act that does not "matter" outside >the scope of the internet and people whose worldview is >entirely derived from it
Beyonce dropped her surprise album without any radio single, via iTunes (i.e. the Internet), and almost went platinum in a week. Does that "matter"?
71. "Read it all again slowly" In response to Reply # 46 Thu Mar-05-15 10:52 AM by spirit
The important thing is, she wasn't on the radio before she dropped the album. Those first week sales were off the strength of her, not radio support. Read my post again and the post it's responding to, but slower this time. My reply is only one sentence long, so it's hard to see how you couldn't understand it.
Also, see reply 45, which you apparently ignored because you can't refute it (LOL). Anyway, carry on.
75. "LOL this all got really bizzarre" In response to Reply # 71
I expounded on my point in a post below but my point is that radio play is symbolic of a larger footprint in culture. Youtube views are a pretty decent indicator of popularity and there are acts with 25, 50, 100x the exposure that Run the Jewels has, so their success is relative.
Beyonce specifically had 15 years of success before dropping her album out of nowhere, so she had the clout to sell what her album did. And then several singles from that album ended up on the radio...
Again, I like Run the Jewels! I poke fun but I really do like them as people, love their individual output, have seen them in concert and have seen them live - my only hangup is the confusing (to me) critical adoration and me being disappointed in the new project. I think they've certainly blown up in their own space but their exposure on blogs/festivals/etc doesn't make them as big as it may seem, because the audiences (especially for music blogs like Pitchfork and Stereogum) are much more limited than you might think
63. "i do have a point i want to make" In response to Reply # 22
look, i get that run the jewels has been incredibly successful considering the circumstances. and i like both of them, and i like both of their music, and i even like a lot of run the jewels music, but the universal praise has landed somewhere in between exhausting and confusing. if you tell me that run the jewels had the best rap album of 2014 i will disagree with you but understand; if you tell me that run the jewels had the best album of 2014 in any genre i will tilt my head and look at you like you're insane.
but that's an aside
i read pitchfork and stereogum and watch needle drop and all of that, i get that rtj has had massive exposure on those platforms. but i also believe that those platforms aren't nearly as inclusive as they make you believe. rtj can be plastered over all of those sites but it's barely making a dent on any "mainstream" level
again - the highest run the jewels view count on youtube is 1.1 million rae sremmurd's highest has 144 million lifestyle has 112 million nicki minaj's only has 70 million (not to mention anaconda having 400 million) ilovemakonnen has 60 million (and these are all songs i just heard at the gym, where they play the radio)
now you can talk about major label marketing budgets, unfair advantages, payola etc - fine, but that's a different conversation
you can talk about these other acts inflating their youtube hit counts but still - some of these have over 100 times the number of views that run the jewels. does 99% of their audience not exist? (no ll-o)
rtj could sweep all the critical polls, sell out all the 2000-person capacity venues in the country and get some spots on espn and cnn, but they're still virtually a niche act. for the people who work in corporate offices, how many people even know what pitchfork is?
So considering their circumstances, yes, they've been a massive success. But there's "matters" and then there's actually matters
41. "Yeah but it wasn't hard" In response to Reply # 20
It was more of that "NY guy makes records like down south guys just to stay in the mix, not knowing that nobody will give a damn in a few years" type thing than it was hard. G-Unit hasn't really done a lot of hard records, despite their reputation.
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64. "Damn i didn't realize it's been THAT long" In response to Reply # 55
>how are you going to gloss over everything just blaze did in >01-05? > >"you don't know" wasn't hard? (...or the remix with m.o.p.?) >"the roc" wasn't hard? > >there were hard east coast rap records that "mattered" up >until 2003/2004. >anything after 2004 is debatable, but i've named a few. > >anyway you slice it: m.o.p. - ante up is not even a contender >for "last". > >m.o.p. themselves dropped singles ("cold as ice" in early >2001) after that which more than qualify.
Ante Up sticks out to me cuz it was a lead single with a high profile remix and two videos on BET.
Plus it was the hardEST single I can remember that got that much run.
34. "RE: "hot nigga" was a top 10 single. it went platinum." In response to Reply # 31
yea I mean.. it might be the last HARD record period...
not just east coast... aint no rapper other than drake, sean or childish had there OWN song in the top 10 in a long time
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72. "thanks for trolling." In response to Reply # 60
>fabo of d4l was one of the most important figures in rap >history in terms of shaping and guiding the direction the >genre took. > >hate it or love it -- these are simply the facts.
53. "that song isn't remotely "HARD" ...." In response to Reply # 31
.....i mean the dude rhyming is trying to come off hard, but sonically the shit is limp and lacks any kind of energy whatsover
now take a song like Ante Up... DR Period's instrumental alone is HARD AS FUCK ..then you put Billy And Fame on there and you've got one of the hardest hitting bangers of all time...
65. "RE: agree on schmurda's rapping being limp." In response to Reply # 54
ill say i think that beat is mad sinister, e.g. "hard". > >it definitely counts as a "hard" east coast-sounding rap >record that "mattered" to the public at large imo.
to me, for a beat to be "hard" its got to at least have drums that bang.. then again, im old and admit im out of touch if thats now the new "east coast sound"
70. "We forgetting about Meek?" In response to Reply # 0
His first 2 major singles, "Tupac Back" and "Imma Boss" were hard records..well, about as hard as your gonna get in the modern era sonically..
Meeks early MMG records helped define the 'new' hard rap record...its 808 drums like the south and Chicago drill but a different East Coast thing to them..right at a tempo that an east coast dude can ride on top of. Not as bouncy as a south record even though it's using the same drums.
Then get the sinister synth cords in there and thats the blueprint for the modern east coast hard record..
Which set the stage for Shmurda...(it was produced by the same architect of the early Meek records)
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