sorry to troll. maybe i'm just jaded and old. but i don't hear too much progression in hip hop. granted i don't follow it religiously like i used to in the 90s, but what i do hear doesn't really impress me that often, especially from the legends.
drum and bass, on the other hand, constantly turns my head. granted, this is my musical passion: i follow, DJ, and promote events on the regular. any new podcast by a top DJ will be full of cutting edge sounds and dubplates. the sound is always interesting and evolving. what these guys are doing with drum sequencing (and new bass and synth sounds) is mind boggling.
maybe that's the nature of dance music, where there are little to no vocals, so there is more room to play with the sound. while in hip hop, the beat is just the backdrop to the story being told. nonetheless, the production doesn't seem to be going anywhere special, at least to these old ears.
1. "RE: hip hop production is stale" In response to Reply # 0
Do you listen to instrumental hip hop guys??
Mr Carmack Kaytranada Soulection folks Flume
Even cats like Cashmere cat are doing some dope shit..
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4. "a college buddy of mine is making a name for himself in dnb. and i agree..." In response to Reply # 0
Goes by Graphs. Om Unit has been putting his tunes in mixes for a while. I fell out of dnb for a few years in the late 00s but its grabbed my soul again.
Anyways i agree, at least in terms of what makes the radio. That Truffle Butter song has been bugging me ever since i first heard it and today i figured out why. Everything interesting about it was lifted cleanly from a really good Maya Jane Coles song.
I have no idea what mainstream hip hop would sound like without house/techno or even commercial EDM to point the way.
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5. "I mean....in what lane? Commercially, maybe" In response to Reply # 0
But in 2015 it's soooooo many rappers and so many sounds out there that continuously evolve, hard to say its stale, even if you don't enjoy it all.
The more Boom Bap hippity hop samples Rap is a bit stale, depending on the producer you're listening to, but I really think you'd have to listen to more varied artists. Who are you speaking about?
8. "i don't even think that's state and it's too subjective." In response to Reply # 5
>The more Boom Bap hippity hop samples Rap is a bit stale, >depending on the producer you're listening to, but I really >think you'd have to listen to more varied artists. Who are you >speaking about?
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7. "the progression debate...meh" In response to Reply # 0
>sorry to troll. maybe i'm just jaded and old. but i don't >hear too much progression in hip hop. granted i don't follow >it religiously like i used to in the 90s, but what i do hear >doesn't really impress me that often, especially from the >legends. >
This seemingly only happens in Hip-Hop, this incessant thirst for the "next" thing. This so-called chase for innovation is weird.
Anyway, the list Double O put up is a great start. I have a much longer response for this post but I'm in the middle of working on an article and I need to focus.
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9. "RE: the progression debate...meh" In response to Reply # 7
Happens in Rock too no?
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10. "It's not strange if viewed historically..." In response to Reply # 7
The development of Hip-Hop coincided with changes in technology with new drum-machines, samplers, different ways to react to sampling-laws etc. Already in the 90's, I remember a lot of people whining about how Hip-Hop wasn't "interesting" anymore musically and instead focused on stuff like trip-hop, drum&bass and various forms of electronica.
Actually, I have no proof of this but I suspect that the people with the most complaints are older guys who can remember when not only production- but also rhyming-styles/trends changed fast; younger people who take the various brands of Hip-Hop for granted and grew up when the style was already "pop" and an established form of music probably have less complaints, at least it's true in my experience...
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