For this week's ep we had another topic planned but right before we started recording, I was playing a beat I just made on the maschine and I said that "akai would have to pay me to use the MPC again" which was hip hop blasphemy for Ev so the show turned into why I love the maschine vs. my MPC2000xl, do producers have to evolve from the equipment they use (Pete Rock moving from the SP1200 to the MPC2000xl, Primo moving from the MPC 60 to the Renaissance & Alchemist moving from the ASR-10 to the MPC2500) and how does that effect their sound, why cats swore by the SP1200 but 90% of them moved on from it, why with apps like garageband do we have 8,000,000 "producers" now, hardware vs. software, why I switched from the 2000xl to the maschine and most importantly why akai would have to pay me to use it again.

But for all of my producers in the lesson, my question for ya'll is what has been ya'll evolution on the machines ya'll use and why did you move on to other equipment and if you didn't why did you stay with what you first started rocking with?

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There was a super tiny, fake Guitar Center in the mall I used to work at, and I put a Boss DR-880 on layaway, when I really wanted the Electribe. I started reading SCRATCH magazine, and saw the 2500 was the next MPC coming out, so I got one when they first dropped, and maxed it out.

I started learning about Kontakt and VST's, and got into Ableton with the version that came with my MPK25, so I sold my MP and my Behringer mixer. I was only rocking with the MPK for a few months until I saw vids for Maschine on YouTube. My setup now is just the MPK, Maschine MK2, the Akai EIE Pro, and a turntable. I don't even want anything else, hardware wise.

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Great minds think alike...I am finished with my MAN VS MASCHINE beat album...working on a couple more beat albums simultaneously...we still need to chop it up on collaborating fam...keep up the great work Kil


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Bet...good looking fam! Gonna shout you out this week so we can chop it up. Mos def let me know when that project drops so I can help get the word out on it!

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Will definitely be checking this out!! I love my Maschine!

I checked this episode out last night. Different strokes for different folks, I suppose. I had Maschine and sold it. I couldn't get into it. I just love my MPC. I got the 4000 and I've been looking at the Renaissance but I'm just used to hardware when it comes to making beats. Dope episode.

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Reason 2.5 came out, been all software ever since.

Preferred current tools are Ableton, FL Studio and a few select vstis.

Cakewalk.. dr550 and a sp202
Yamaha QY70
MPC 60II & korg m1
Reason 2.5
Reason 3, 4, 5
Ableton 8 and Reason 5 now

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I think I've demoed every version from 2.5 to 7, and I've never understood how it works.

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I became sponsored by Propellerhead right at that time and have all the new versions plus Record...

In the end I don't need all the extra stuff. I spent 8 yrs getting used to bouncing out of Reason into a different DAW for vocals. Once I really got into Ableton the 2 make a perfect combo.

I can bang out 8-16 bar loops in Reason then make em a song in Ableton.. add all the bells and whistles.. new VSTs etc..

I also start beats in Ableton a ton but I compare the two to writing a song on guitar vs piano... might end up in a similar place but the starting point inspires a different direction.

I still have some amazing refills that I haven't found replacements for (Fantom, Abbey Road, Strings) in a VST so I can just rewire for those.

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I went from a dr550 with a korg triton > mpc2000xl > mpc4000

I still got both mpc's, but once I got over the learning curve of the software it was just way easier to turn my ideas into something tangible w/o hunching over a dial all damn night.

software is definitely more portable.

I have my reasons for liking both as everyone else, but the 4000 is like falling into an abyss if you still at the beginner level like me.

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Good shit.

I'm hardware forever, cause like homeboy said, I just don't wanna take the time out to learn some new isht when what I do use works for me.

MP ---> Duet ---> Logic

I wish I had a 3k too! lol

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Is it quicker connect between the MPC and Logic?

This is where hardware and software lost me and I just stopped fucking with it after dumping 1000's into "fixes".

I would like a workstation that incorporates my MPC 1000,Macbook PRO, Fender Rhodes, Bass, Guitar, Vocals, turntables.

I hit a wall trying to trigger the samples in Logic with my MPC.


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Good question and I KNOW for a fact that what you just described has turned many a nigga off with this shit...

Okay...

So, I make ALL the 'beat' in the MPC (1000--started with 2000xl) and bass sounds in Moog slim phatty rack.

My set up is very minimal here, hardware wise, as all my heavy hitter shit is back home, BUT, I like this minimal set-up, cause it’s made me make really good shit without all my other tools, they touched on that subject and I totally agree...less you have, more you have to think to figure out how to make it work....

Anyway....beat in the 1000...Midi (B1) is for the slim phatty bass or whatever sound I wanna use.

Midi A1 is for the usb (M-Audio Uno) which is hooked up to the MPC (obviously, (midi) in and out) and usb’d to/on my macbook.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrHyEnN1S7w (<<--how I learned this)

Using Logic, Logic is the master sequencer (midi settings) and the MPC is the slave.

Duet only lets you dump 2 sounds at a time from the MP, but the sound quality after the transfer is very good, but make it sound how you wanna (filters, etc) prior to transfer...it wont lose anything.

Duet is really nice and I like Apogee products cause shit just stays clean during the transfer of the sound.

That M-box joint you mentioned, I couldn’t answer that, as I have never used it.

So TEDIOUS part now moved to step 2....(step 1 was the dumping)...

Once you have all your tracks in logic, lined up, BPM should be on point cause you set Logic (master) BPM to the same BPM as the MPC....now you have to start adding in your other instruments...

I record in mono, so I only use either right or left when I let bass sound into logic....

So you can choose channel 1 or 2 on the duet (keep midi plugged in on B1 MPC, which, the other end, should be midi'd (in/out) to your instrument)....but plug in R or L from the audio out on the instrument you have midi’d to the MPC (which is the slave to the MP)....(confusing maybe....I know) this will transfer the sound from the instrument, which is all you want, so it will play your notes and on pace with the Master (Logic) as it records.

Took me YEARS to figure this shit out, 'cause niggas refuse to tell you this like the hoes they are.... and I'm still a novice....tons of youtube vids I can point you to, however....

Now, rinse and repeat and just transfer each sound you want to add using channel 1 (or 2) on the Apogee until you have ALL sounds in Logic…(Moog, Rhodes, TT, etc)

Now its mix time....

This is tedious and takes time, I know....but I feel like it makes the sound of your track sound less...fast foody? lol....

Grandma sunday dinner goodness....

I could be wrong, but fuck it....my shit sounds good to me....I am into shit that’s tangible, so the hardware route is just my thing...just like records are.

If you need better clarification on any of that goobley goo above..just inbox me.

Prolly could save HOURS just using software, but eh....I am a creature of habit and adding in analog sounds like that Rhodes, etc...will have your shit sounding as organic as possible which is what u want.

That works for me....

*edit: MP must be in song mode during playback/record mode (on logic) to make this simple for you to make it sound as you want, sequence-wise

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Cats be shook (I think because my skillet as a musician/songwriter is crazy HIGH), but Lord knows, I AM NO AUDIO ENGINEER.

Like I said, I spent Grips of cash while the times moved from Cassette 4tracks to adat to minidisc to digital recorders to Logic which just left my ass feeling like Rip Van Winkle.

I've freaked as much as I could to great result... but was overall left very unsatisfied because so much possibility was left on the table due to confusion/frustration.

Few years ago I picked up a little digital 8 track which free'd up a lot of creativity, but left me sitting with a huge investment into a largely unused Logic program.
*sigh*

Now I'm seeking refuge in my creativity,and I want to utilize ALL my tools optimally and achieve as many singular creative goals as I can.
So... I'm forgiving all them tight lipped bedroom producers that act like you asking to bang they grandma's when you asking how schitt actually works. LOL.

Shout out to BuildingBlock for sharing some info in the past as well...

I added you on Twitter and you'll definitely be seeing my name in yr inbox.

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then got a mpc 2000, then a 2000xl and paired that up with the mpc
then a roland 1080


i started recording into cubase 3, then 5, then cubase sx, sx2, sx3
then i got into pro tools
then logic
now ableton live 9

i got a maschine studio i use now.

there is no perfect machine. the maschine does some good stuff, but i hate the way it sequencer is. in my opinion, the mpc sequencer set up is the best
if i could combine the way maschine chops and assigns its pads, with the way the mpc sequence, that would be one bad machine

mostly, i just use the maschine or the mpc as a midi controller to punch the pads to trigger my samples, which i chop up in either logic or ableton, mostly ableton these days

that said, my go to "sampler" or beat making machine nowadays would be my imac or macpro or macbook

life always offers you a 2nd chance...it's called tomorrow. use it wisely

i went from FL to pure hardware.

I got a rhodes 88, minibrute, microkorg and mpc2500. the mpc, for my money, just SOUNDS better. you're paying for the compression alogorithm when you buy hardware. i've seen maschine, and while they claim it has the MPC/SP compressors, you can still hear the difference

Pretty much stopped making beats now and sold all of my equipment.

I say this 'cus I've walked both sides of the fence and it broadened my perspective a bit. I came into the beatsmith game on an ASR-X-Pro, ...the red joints. I SWORE by dat shit, drums sounded warm on it, choppin' samples was relatively easy and the drum pads had a nice sense of dynamic sensitivity.

Den the muhfukkin' OS crashed so for the sake of necessity, I switched to software as a temp- setup: specifically, Adobe Audition 3.0 and an OLD legacy version of fruityloops.

After taking an objective appraisal of both approaches I've rendered
my preferences down to the following:

-I prefer hardware for drums/drum-programming

-I prefer software for sampling/sample-editing

Because of ^ ^ ^THIS, I fukin' CAN'T WAIT to get a Maschine! ! !

Thas' where I'm at right now.

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For me it was starting with the OLD SCHOOL gemini mixer with the 8 second sampler and a tascam 4 track back in '94...then moms brought the ASR-10 for me in '95 and LOVED it but because it couldn't do point tempos (it could only do 83, 84 but not 83.2) it kinda left me frustrated and deep down inside I always wanted a drum machine with pads. So was on the ASR from '95-'05 and then copped a MPC2000xl and LOVED that but the zip kept dying and that's why I copped the maschine and I'm good money with that. Love the fact that so many folk are commenting because like somebody earlier that it's all about what works for you and I think it's dope that there are so many ways to make music now vs. EVERYBODY being on the SP1200 & S950 or EVERYBODY being on the MPC3000! I remember a time when cats would ask "what did you use" and that was the determining factor for if the beat was dope...not the beat!

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...good shit! i'll be listening to more shows when you post them

my progression went like this:

Pause Tapes > 4Track/Gemini Sampler > SP1200/S950 > MPC2000 > Roland MV8800 (that fake ass mpc mentioned on the show) > back to SP1200+Logic

I would just sell whatever previous machine I had to upgrade to the next thing.. BUT........I always regretted selling the SP1200 because i never was able to capture that filthy ring modulation that the SP produces when pitching down your sped up samples. That sound to me is the sound of hip hop. Plus nobody has ever been able to convince me that the SP didn't punch harder drums!!

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I engineered a session with a group of kids that somehow copped the MV instead of an MP, and that bitch was a nightmare. They kept trying to blame me and the studio equipment but I had my 2500 there to prove them wrong. I think we just ended up getting the 2-track, just to have something.

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..it definitely sucks when you just want to make music and you have to spend most of your time figuring out how to do something that was previously simple on the MPC ..i hated that machine because it made me feel so unmotivated to fire it up. Big mistake .....that said, my man still uses the MV and swears by it

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That's CRAZY cause I remembered when that jawn dropped & RZA was co-signing it and I was like I'm not falling for the banana in the tailpipe! That ain't what RZA used to make 36 Chambers, Cuban Linx, Ironman, Liquid Swords, etc. lol!

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I feel bad for anyone who bought that shit....

It was a hustle and everyone knew it..

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...thought it would be dope not to have to squint down at a tiny screen on the machine and plus use a mouse to "help the workflow" ..my MPC needed repairs so i figured id put that loot to something new........but man that shit was horrible!!! ..it was nothing like working with a capable piece of software like Reason ..i was on some FUCK RZA shit after that (not that he was the reason i bought it) ..eventually the MV got put away in a box until i sold it months later...

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lol...

Man.. feel bad. Yea I think at the end of the day the hardware side of things was solid on it..

But software just failed all around..

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I got an MPC Studio, Maschine (MK1), Ableton Push, and I started out on MPC 2000xl and 2500.

I like to play my piano parts on Push, but when it comes to chopping I LOVE the MPC controllers. It's seriously ridiculous right now.
Maschine was cool...but sitting in front of a Ren?? I dunno...the feel of it just draws me in to make beats.

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yea 88 swears by the update....

I do think that the biggest shift in terms of sampling from hardware with no waveform to computer software is the feel of the chop..

when you had to dial that shit in the truncate the sample pieces you will never be exact so the groove will play different.. when you can chop it exactly though it's easier but looses the feel.

I still like the NN-XT in reason for this exact purpose.. It's basically an ASR10

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>I still like the NN-XT in reason for this exact purpose.. It's
>basically an ASR10


So you chop with the NN-XT?

I just recently decided to try that this week but since it was new to me, I gave up because I wasn't feeling the flow of it(or at least the way I was doing it).

Sounds lazy right?
Well the crazier part is, I only started trying it out because I was being too lazy to open Recycle. smh

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I've done nn-xt chopping for sure.. but I've found it the best to get a certain 90s/asr sound.. single note chops


I've always used recycle mostly.. for loops

these days though I am using a lot of ableton... you set markers like you would in recycle and it chops to a drum rack based on those markers or based on drums beats..

I have an mpc-style template set up for it to chop to so I can freak it from there.

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I'm pretty much a slave to Recycle.
I've even tried to begin importing Recycle files into Maschine but either I'm doing it wrong(probably the case) or my computer is slow but it seems to take sooooooo long for the files to load.


Anyway, I haven't given up on NN-XT for chopping. I'm a bit more interested now that you mentioned the different feel thing. I may check it out some more just to see if I can hear what you referring to.

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if you are on 5.. you can just edit the samples in the sample editor as well..

that is actually quick as shit.. then dump em on the KONG or whatever you want

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>when you had to dial that shit in the truncate the sample
>pieces you will never be exact so the groove will play
>different.. when you can chop it exactly though it's easier
>but looses the feel.
>
>I still like the NN-XT in reason for this exact purpose.. It's
>basically an ASR10

Sometimes I go back to Reason for that exact reason. A brotha doesn't always want to look at the waveform. Sometimes I just want to use ears

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I learned on the Ensoniq EPS. At the time, it was all I knew(I had never heard of the MPC or the SP) so once I learned about the ASR-10 and eventually saw one in a pawn shop, I copped.

I rocked with that for years but stumbled upon an MPC 2000xl at the pawn shop and copped it.

My draw to the MPC was the ease of use as it pertains to programing drum patterns with that "swing". <---You guys know what i'm referring to. It's not nearly as easy to accomplish on the ASR-10.


I couldn't get with the MPC as I was so use to having keys in front of me. So, the MPC sits abused like yours chillin' in the background.lol


Anyway,

I eventually jumped on the Reason train at 2.5
I put the ASR away(mine is in a hard case in the closet near mint.im good to my ol lady! lol) and have rocked with Reason through version 7.



Now, I've recently began rocking with Maschine with the purpose of using it with Logic Pro 9.

Like you said, the sound library is stupid!

I still use Reason a lot but I use it with Maschine sounds.

I CANT STAND PATTERNS AND SCENES FOR SEQUENCING! It really kills my workflow to have to think in that format.


I feel you on the storage issue also.

Floppies and Zips are for the birds man. Slow to load, a headache to keep organized and can eventually be unstable over time.

I enjoyed the show for sure.

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I had access to a produer's ZIP's for years, but had NO way to get the files off. Lookin at shit like ".SND .SEQ for ", sad as fuck.

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I got a zip drive toward the end of my ASR years and I have to say, I didn't really feel too comfortable with it at all.
I'd save things, see them on the disk, then later I wouldn't see them, then I would...etc.

I'm sure most of it was due to user error but regardless, once I was able to jump to the PC then later MAC world, I'm with Kil, I WASN'T GOING BACK!

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I have this idea that I want to somehow put like a rasberry pi or something in an mpc60 or 60II

or maybe something similar to the openlabs idea..

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Now that I even sort of know what a Raspberry pi is...


dang. That would be a cold piece assuming you could find adequate space in the casing and all.

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Could be.. just an idea..

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....individual sounds would go missing from programs and then be there the next day ..had me feeling like i was going crazy sometimes ...sequences would be reset to 120 bpm too sometimes, weird shit

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>....individual sounds would go missing from programs and then
>be there the next day ..had me feeling like i was going crazy
>sometimes ...sequences would be reset to 120 bpm too
>sometimes, weird shit



Dude!

BPMs?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!

Nah. I would have punched that joint with brass knuckles on!

at least I don't feel as crazy now tho.

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....it was too risky not to ...load/save times were stupid long too ..fuck that shit

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Wow....that's crazy! I actually had a couple of problems with zips but nothing like that. Yeah, at the time zips were the shit coming from floppies but in 2015 you can't put ANY trsut in those jawns which is why I had to move on from them.

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LMAO at people saying the MPC is abused lol! The only reason I don't have it hooked up is cause with the zip dead I literally can't do anything with it. Same with the ASR, it's leaning against the expedite only because it won't load up. And before cats think I beat her and that's the reason she won't load that's not what happened lol! One day she just stopped turning on but both are in GREAT condition for equipment that's 20 & 10 years old. no abuse over here lol!

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with Maschine as your 3rd wife!



>LMAO at people saying the MPC is abused lol! The only reason
>I don't have it hooked up is cause with the zip dead I
>literally can't do anything with it. Same with the ASR, it's
>leaning against the expedite only because it won't load up.
>And before cats think I beat her and that's the reason she
>won't load that's not what happened lol! One day she just
>stopped turning on but both are in GREAT condition for
>equipment that's 20 & 10 years old. no abuse over here lol!

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The husband starts to look suspicious after so many, lol.

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>The husband starts to look suspicious after so many, lol.


ha! Right!

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I feel you on the pattern and the scenes. At first it was too much to get use to but what I do it like is it basically makes you put the beat into song mode when you make it. At least the 1st 16-24 bars. A lot of times in the MPC I would never put all 6 of these sequences in song mode, then I come back to the beat weeks later and forget (my memory is getting REALLY bad) how the song went. Since I've been on the maschine for the past 6 months I'm kinda used to it now tho.

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I'm pretty sure I could get use to it, but to me, it seems like an annoyance to have to learn it when I don't feel like it is a "better" way to sequence.

I never had the "song mode" issue with Reason or Logic because you can just click and drag sections/loops/bars or whatever and just build the song that way and then go back and either take notes out for drops or record the automation to do.

Either way, it's all in front of you and you don't have to go digging into a specific instrument's info. and choosing what pattern you want to play...etc
Just copy and paste.

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>I CANT STAND PATTERNS AND SCENES FOR SEQUENCING! It really
>kills my workflow to have to think in that format.

How does this work exactly? I'm not up on the Maschine lingo. Is a pattern like an arrangement that's set and can't be changed if you play it twice, so you can't tweak it in subtle, different ways when you sequence it?

Like in Cubase I can make 3 different 4-bar arrangements with drums, samples, bass everything, (A, B & C) and then copy them to fill out a 3 minute track. (e.g. A-B-A-B-C-C-C-C-A, etc.) Then I can go into the 3rd C-section (no pun intended ha ha) and change the kick pattern and remove the horn sample. I can see everything clearly and make big or small changes.

I plan on using Maschine in conjunction with Cubase (where I would do all my final sequencing and arranging anyway). Do you think I'd have trouble with the Maschine?

that's what I do in maschine.
even down to the go into sections take out this piece, take out that piece.

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I'm glad I check the post again.

Do you use the Maschine software standalone or do you use it inside your DAW (or both)? I know you can use it directly in Cubase.

Also, do you have Maschine drum kits (various sound folders) on your hard drive that you load up or do you keep all of your sounds organized by what song they are in (individual song folders)? I'm wondering because I have all of my drum sounds (and some samples) in iTunes, so when I make I beat I'm importing the sounds I plan to use into Cubase which puts them into the project folder. Just wondering if my sound organization is going to have to change if I get the Maschine. Not that that would necessarily be a bad thing as I waste a lot of time going through too many drum sounds when I'm making a beat.

great topic! i gotta check out the full video when i get home.

i went from a 4-track, to an mpc2000, to protools, and now i'm getting familiar with logic.

starting off, i think every beatmaker in their 30s-40s has made pause tapes. shit, i even took one of those bullshit price club casio keyboards and tapped out beats, multi-layering it with the 4-track!

things got more serious with the mpc. it starting with just layering loops. then when "moment of truth" came out i (and everyone else with an mpc) chopped everything into 1-note samples and stabbed away. then a mix of the two. then turning off the quantizing feature. but THEN, it became more about controlling details rather than happy accidents, and that's when i REALLY really started using the step editor and the sample editing features on the mpc--"oh THAT'S how jay dee gets his shit to sound like that...THAT'S how dj shadow manually time-stretches that 1-minute long trumpet solo..."--(pre-2000xl). it got to a point when i didn't even use the pads to "play" anything. all step editor. but ironically, everything started to sound more "human" (via programmed dynamics, swing, and even better-placed sample air).

i was basically doing a protools workflow on my mpc, so by the time i actually got my hands on protools, i was able to do things i wanted--but MUCH faster. plus i had more options, esp with no sampling time limit and pad/trigger limits. i could sample an entire song and pluck out more parts to experiment with, without having to worry about ram memory and pad assignments. while conceivable on an mpc, it's probably not practical, and definitely not convenient. for example, for that last BLACK MESSIAH beat i made, i uploaded/"sampled" the entire album, chopped out every open instrument, made more chops of those...and then more, added some fx, etc. on an mpc, it probably would've taken over 100 pads just for the drums!

forget the mpc, gimme the software.

given all the above, it amazes me that the bomb squad and dj shadow made all those dense compositions on those limited machines from the 80s and 90s. it makes me appreciate what we have now and try find ways to stretch the limitations of the current gear we have.

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in the sp1200 book it says he would reset the sp between tracks to lay basslines etc cause of the memory...crazy

that's crazy. i bet he did that on every track off "petestrumentals".

i read an alchemist interview where he described how muggs would synch up 4-5 sp-12's to make a beat.

it goes to show that these guys' main instruments are their ears and brain, conceptualizing what beat they want to make. then from there, doing anything and everything necessary to make it happen. gear don't matter.

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Boss DR-5 Rhythm

Roland Groovebox

Roland 303 (still wish I had it)

MPC2k (at the studio I worked at)

MPC1k

Reason 3.0-5.0 (along with Recylce and used with M-Audio Triggerfinger, O2, and later MPK25)

Maschine MkII


I'm good with my setup now which is Maschine, MPK25, and MOTU audio express. I still use my MPC from time to time, but to do what I used to do but much quicker was the best thing for me.

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are most welcome in the beat challenges. In fact, I dare yall.

And props on doin these Kil. To answer the ?,

I started out in my early teens programmin trackerbased beats on the PC, only hardware bein the PC in itself. Been stickin to that routine for 20 somethin yrs. so Ive grown quite good at it...

I REALLY REALLY wanted to switch to hardware, did try it a few times, but it always feels like Im restricted in some way, because Im not able to do the same stuff as fast as I would in-software.

Also, Ive developed some kind of mathematic OCD type condition when doin beats, that pushes me to only work numbers based and in certain #s, so that plays well with bein trackerbased - yeah, I know it sounds fucked up - its a control thing I guess lol...

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>are most welcome in the beat challenges. In fact, I dare
>yall.

love the dare, haha. i've been meaning to submit stuff; i gotta just do it! problem is i take waaay too long to make stuff...

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but before then I went from pause tapes>Dr Rhythm>Korg Trinity>MPC 3oooLE. Then I tried a lot of other stuff like the 1ooo and 25oo, and then I tried the 4ooo but I kept the 3oooLE because I kept going back to it.
The 4ooo is an incredible machine, and is actually a great go-between when it comes to hardware and software. Like the newer MPCs in general you can add a hard drive and you can get samples from CDs (data or music). I really liked that instead of using ZIPs or floppies, you could use a USB thumb drive instead of the AKSYS system for moving stuff to and from the computer. I also loved the effects processor, which was really extensive, as well as the sampling engine and sequencer (which is basically the same as the 3ooo). 24 bit sampling is great too.
The main thing I love about the newer MPCs as opposed to the old ones is the Main Out Sample feature; you can change the sample inputs to the stereo outputs and hit play, instead of tracking out beats for demo purposes. Or you could just track them out one at a time and move the files to your computer.
I never liked software because instead of relying on one piece of equipment, you have to rely on and maintain both a computer and a controller. The Maschine is pretty fun to use and it does a lot, and the big boy being standalone is a great incentive to get one especially at the price point. But if I were to start making music again, I'd keep the 3oooLE/4ooo setup with the miscellaneous modules and records. I've never been a features guy and I prefer the layout and feel of the machine be intuitive than I would it being blown out with everything possible in it.

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I had shit before this setup, but I started making beats in earnest with an Atari ST, Master Tracks Pro, and a Yamaha MU5 tone generator.

The MU5 also sent midi out, so it was my controller. Eventually I added a Novation MM10x midi controller to the mix.

I switched to a 486SX-25 running Windows 3.11 (this was back in '94) using the MIDI interface built into the soundblaster 16 clone and a free sequencer I found called Windjammer. Ultimately I settled in with PowerTracks Pro 3.0 for my sequencer 'cause it had the ability to load and trigger samples of any length... but only one at a time. I also copped a Boss DS330 for a second sound source all of which ran through my Realistic DJ mixer out to a pair of Bose Roommates.

My production rigs have almost always been a mix of hardware and software. There have been times where it's one or the other (like now, it's 100% software with a hardware controller), but in general it's been a combination of both.

My largest rig had three drum machines, 6-8 keyboards at any point in time, a sampler, sound modules, fx, and mixers but was still all tied together with my PC sequencer.


I've been seriously toying with buying an ASR-X (black) or MPC 2000 (non-XL) and running it with my PC, but I'm hesitant to make the jump 'cause I don't want to fall back into the habit of buying hardware like I used to... I had more shit than I could really use!


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I never had the gemini mixer sampler but I would just backspin the break on two turntables into the 4 track and do the same with the sampler...dating myself lol! I never got around to getting my OWN equipment because of money but I was always over my cousin's crib who started with the SP1200, then the MPC 60 and then the 3000. Needless to say that the 3000 was my favorite. I always felt like it was the SP1200 with more sampling time which everybody always wanted. I always wondered why emu never expanded the sp1200. I always felt like that's what akai did with the MPC....they kept making it better. Anyone know why the emu didn't do the same?

I've been stuck on software for the last decade. I bought Cubase in '99 and that has worked well for me. Now I'm doing almost everything in Cubase, and a little bit with Reason. I do like working with wave files but I really miss tweaking everything and just feeling it with the hardware.

In '97 I bought a Dr-Rhythm and a Roland JS-30 sampler (which had no sequencing functions at all!) and I would "sync" them up by hitting play or record at the same time. I had to tap out every sample hit for every bar of the track. That sampler had 4 tracks so luckily I didn't have to do everything in one pass. But I wasn't that good with playing so I basically had to avoid samples with drums in them unless I was just looping it.

But maan did I miss out. I never knew about the MPC until much later. I remember seeing Maseo using one in a De La Soul MTV documentary and thinking "what the hell is that!?" It was probably a money thing. If I had a bigger budget I would have probably found out about the MPC. I wish I had at least known about it though, so I could have started working towards upgrading. I moved to China in 2003 and sold my hardware besides my record player and DJ mixer and have been going without for all this time.

Lately I've been looking at hardware options and was almost ready to buy a Renaissance or maybe an MPC with a hard drive option. I'm leaning more towards the Maschine now. (Thanks for this episode by the way, it was very helpful). I'm thinking that maybe I can't really "go back" to hardware now. But I can see how the Maschine might work because I can still program drums and certain types of chops within the Maschine or inside Cubase as a VST with MIDI, but then just continue doing what I'm doing in Cubase with chops if I want to.

Here's something I just chopped up in Cubase a couple days ago. I think this would end up covering about 50 pads just for the music and drum break samples if I split it all up, and it would be a mess. (I also added 808 bass, percussion, snares/claps and hi-hats on top)

https://soundcloud.com/herb-one/dont-dance-instrumental-demo

I had a quick question about how the Maschine organizes samples on the PC/Mac. Right now I have all of my drum and percussion samples in folders in iTunes, so I can easily search for sounds when I'm making my drums. Once I sample drums and samples they end up in my Cubase project folder. I know the Maschine comes with like 8 gigs of samples so are those just in a Maschine folder on your hard drive? Do they stay in that folder once you use a sound? (They don't get copied and moved to another location, like what I'm doing with samples in Cubase?)

Also, anybody know the big differences between the Maschine and the Renaissance? Neither is really a sampler right? So it's not really about "the sound" more like the workflow of chopping and arranging and also being able to physically play/trigger the sounds/samples.

And how does changing the pitch of samples sound with Maschine? That's one of things I really miss from my old sampler. Being able to turn a dial and hear the pitch shift in real time with my other samples. It's all done with the software now right? How does it compare to the MPC or other hardware?

http://www.amazon.com/The-BeatTips-Manual-Beatmaking-Tradition/dp/0989398609

It's extremely in-depth, and the author makes so important assertions, so it's definitely worth reading. I'm about half way through it reading on my iPhone. I think it would make a good episode of your show. I'd love to hear your thoughts on certain parts of the book, and discuss some stuff in the lesson.

I said I don't like it, and he was salty on here.

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Yeah it has it's flaws but how many books out there actually address real hip-hop production. I mean there might be others now, but if there are then they're definitely new as well.

It some great stuff in it. What didn't you like? The length? The writing? The ideas?

I had the first edition. He explained he's updated and changed some things since then, but whatev's. I'm sure enough people have bought and liked the book to where my opinion shouldn't make his vagina so sandy.

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Very in-depth production manual from Said...still haven't finished reading it


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I can't believe how LONG it is. It just keeps going.

went into hardware after getting 'board' with software.

I started on Fruity Loops..then Reason..then back to FL with a GANG of VST's..then when I went into Mac computers I got into Logic, and I was using that as a sequencer AND as my main DAW since I was mostly mixing/engineering on my own so I didn't really have to bounce out to Pro-Tools as much for vocals and mixdowns.

Then when I would go play around in Guitar Center, I would mess with the analog keyboards, older samplers, real guitars, real drums..and the bug hit me to just go in that direction, as the new challenge intrigued and inspired me more.

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Going backwards, do you feel limited? Like the hardware can't do what the software did or not do it as fast or as well?

I still intergrate with software because at this point there is no choice but to. I didn't (and don't plan to) go all the way cold turkey strictly hardware & analog. I just try to integrate hardware into what Im doing with he software here and there.

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I started out waaaaaaaaaaay in left field: a Commodore Amiga 200HD with a Sunrize AD1012 sound card (basically a 4 mono track that recorded directly to a hard drive. I had a Syquest 88MB removable drive, a 5.25" precurser to the Zip drives) and their Studio 16 software. The best thing about the software was it drew the waveform on screen to be edited. Par for the course now, but in 93? In the days when a 68030 processor was hot shit? Before Win95? The shit was mindblowing to anyone that saw it. Now, the card and software really weren't meant for music production, per se. Basically it allowed you to sync audio with video production with SMPTE time code, which was the Amiga's forte at the time. What I ended up doing is sampling my source, editing the beat into 2,4 or 8 bar loops, then lining everything up based on the SMPTE time code and setting the song up that way. I'd have legal pads full of time code making sure everything triggered at the right time. I could adjust the sample rate which would adjust the pitch, but adjust the length of the sample at the same time (no real time shift), but it took FOREVER to process (again, we're in the pre-Pentium days here). There was another program I had that was supposed to export samples over midi to, say, an ASR-X, but never got it to work (but it had some low pass filter on it that I still haven't found anything quite like it to this day). I kept it until the Syquest drive became unreliable and harder to find. By then Commodore was belly up and support was slim to none.

I suppose the closest thing I can think of to that setup would be something like Wavelab for editing and Acid. Sounds low rent now, but in 93? Nobody could believe it. Still have some of the music I made, and you would never know what I used, and it still sounds dope now. I still miss the old setup, even if things have moved on tremendously.

As of late I've been trying to figure out what I want to use to get back into production. I dabbled with Reason 2.5 a while ago, and have Reason 5 on my new rig, along with ReCycle and a few VSTs. Watched a few videos on Maschine and it definitely piqued my curiosity. No matter what direction I go in it will be a major learning curve as I started so far out from 'normal' production equipment, and with a family I don't have nearly the time to devote to learning the basics before getting back to where I was with my Amiga. Still, posts like this one always brings that itch back for me to give something another go.

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Where you're talking about how it took real money to invest in the craft of producing and people took it seriously. When you dropped that money down, there was no turning back; this is what you're doing for a while. Nowadays shit is so cheap that everyone that thinks about it, does it. I had shit in layaway at the music shops and would come in after payday to drop money on my shit and built up slowly. Now you cop the bootleg software, a cheap controller and you're suddenly a "producer". When it cost money, you learned your machines inside and out, now the majority of these dudes barely scratch the surface of what software can do.


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Hell yeah! Back in the days cats were selling drugs, running scams, stealing from their jobs and a whole lotta other dirts to get their studio set up. You figured a SP1200 had to be $2,000, then you needed a S-950 another $1500, then a turntable $100, then a receiver, a tp deck to record your beats for your beat tapes, some speakers, etc. eyc. back in '93 you're looking at a good $5,000 and you're right, if you spent $5,000 on equipment over a car or a lot of Polo and Hilfiger then yeah, you wanted to be a producer!

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I had a master plan too for the whole shit: Save up enough for the Tascam 688 portastudio (the big ass 8 track cassette joint with meter bridge and everything), cop the S01 for a starter sampler, get a cheap Yamaha keyboard for some instrument sounds (my boy had a SY85 so I was sold on Yamaha's sounds), and sequence everything from my Atari ST (which I had already owned for 5 years at that point). My money fell through so I ended up scraping together what I could, which amounted in the MU5 I posted up about earlier.

I learned EVERY piece of hardware I've ever owned backwards and forwards, and that's a lot of shit. When I copped my first Roland R8 drum machine, I had that bitch under control. I could bang out drum tracks quick as fuck on it (which prompted me to buy an R5 when one showed up at my used gear shop, and eventually I copped an R8mkII). I had my Sequential Multi-Trak keyboard down to the point where I could compose music using only the shitty on-board sequencer. I knew my shit and to this day I could prolly sit down with any of that old stuff and bang out -something-.


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>Hell yeah! Back in the days cats were selling drugs, running
>scams, stealing from their jobs and a whole lotta other dirts
>to get their studio set up.

Other than "My parent(s) bought me equipment", I've never been personally told a legit "I worked a reputable job" story about copping equipment. My homie from high school still doesn't speak on what he had to do to get his ASR-10.

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I bought pretty much all my shit legit. A few things I got via trades, but by and large it was my 9-to-5 that paid for my equipment.

It helped that, for a couple of years, I worked in MI sales (specializing in keyboards and recording).

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compared to the hardware of the 80s and 90s.

I'm a big fan of RTFM, but even with that, there is always something new to discover in the workflow of a lot of the modern gear

>compared to the hardware of the 80s and 90s.
>
>I'm a big fan of RTFM, but even with that, there is always
>something new to discover in the workflow of a lot of the
>modern gear

Software now does the job of an entire studio's worth of hardware versus just a sampler, just a rompler keyboard/module, just an analog synth, just an FM box, or just a recorder of some type. You got everything you need to record some shit from start to finish, fx and dynamics included so of course it's deeper.

You really didn't get -close- to this level until the Korg Trinity series and even then it had to have EVERY expansion available for it loaded up (sampler card, Prophecy card, hard disk recording board, and MOSS card, which itself was included in the Trinity V3 series) and you'll STILL come up short.


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and sometimes the 404.

Hardware 4 lyfe!!

My history...Pause tapes to One button Gemini to Alesis sr-16 &
Yamaha SU-10 to EPS to MPC2000XL to MPC 1000 (somebody gave me one &
I HATE floppys so it was perfect for me) then added the 404 into the arsenal mostly for effects.

I've only used an SP1200 for a few days borrowed from a friend in
2003. And I made some bangers! lol.

I would like to add a tr-8 & prophet 6.

Best post in years lol.

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it was a hella long process
but it did do timestretching
i used it quite a bit
the mpc 2000xl timestretching was an improvement
over timestretching with the asr as far as time is concerned
when i got into cubase, timestretching then was like yo!
(it was still slow when i think about it compared to logic and such nowadays, but then i was timestretching the whole wav song, not just sections)
but yeah, timestretching nowadays is so quick, blink of an eye type quick

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