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seandammit
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"Kendrick Lamar - The Blacker the Berry"


          

http://youtu.be/6AhXSoKa8xw

Definitely not what I was expecting based on the other two songs we've heard from him. But I like this.

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Subject Author Message Date ID
RE: Kendrick Lamar - The Blacker the Berry
Feb 09th 2015
1
This shit right here?!
Feb 09th 2015
2
RE: aka don't misquote or take what i say outta context song
Feb 09th 2015
3
HEAT. RAWKS.
Feb 09th 2015
4
he's 0 for 2
Feb 09th 2015
5
0 for 2 ?
Feb 09th 2015
11
      RE: 0 for 2 ?
Feb 09th 2015
13
           but you said
Feb 10th 2015
19
                RE: but you said
Feb 10th 2015
23
This is tough! I like it!
Feb 09th 2015
6
being "that guy" but I liked "i (love myself)" far more n/m
Feb 09th 2015
7
me too
Feb 10th 2015
29
zzzzzZZZZzzzzZZZZzzzzZZZZZzzz
Feb 09th 2015
8
Holy shit!!! K. Dot snapped on this shit.
Feb 09th 2015
9
oh yeah this shit is fiya
Feb 09th 2015
10
flames
Feb 09th 2015
12
yes more of this and whatever that song from colbert was please.
Feb 10th 2015
14
Kendrick got a chance to be the Pac of his era dare i say
Feb 10th 2015
15
this shit flames
Feb 10th 2015
16
Needed this...
Feb 10th 2015
17
"Black as the heart of a fucking Aryan."
Feb 10th 2015
18
Dope line
Feb 10th 2015
27
yeah, that line cold
Feb 10th 2015
30
We're lucky to be around for this guy
Feb 10th 2015
20
who's the Jamaican feature?
Feb 10th 2015
21
RE: who's the Jamaican feature?
Feb 10th 2015
24
assassin/agent sasco.
Feb 10th 2015
34
      id rather hear him over this beat than kendrick...he killed it.
Feb 10th 2015
39
           Sasco is that shit.
Feb 11th 2015
79
                RE: Sasco is that shit.
Feb 11th 2015
82
!!!!!!
Feb 10th 2015
22
ASSASSIN!
Feb 10th 2015
25
it's pissing me off that he's not getting his just due for these feature...
Feb 10th 2015
35
      inbox
Feb 10th 2015
37
           my bad fam. i saw it but
Feb 10th 2015
38
K dot keeps the bar high, however
Feb 10th 2015
26
Mural has been running my life for weeks
Feb 10th 2015
32
Mural is basically its own kind of music.
Feb 10th 2015
33
i listened to the shit 9 times in a row one day
Feb 10th 2015
41
mural is my fave song right now n/m
Feb 10th 2015
36
Not Lupe fan but glad I gave that a listen
Feb 10th 2015
40
goodness me. that last verse tho.
Feb 10th 2015
28
RE: Kendrick Lamar - The Blacker the Berry
Feb 10th 2015
31
Kendrick will have a hard time topping Tetsuo & Youth
Feb 10th 2015
42
I promise to compare it to a long book smart people read
Feb 10th 2015
43
He won't...but no one will say it
Feb 10th 2015
44
Maybe wait to hear the album before getting mad
Feb 10th 2015
45
      wow...didn't take long for the "you're mad" comments to start
Feb 10th 2015
46
           You made it sad....I'd ignore it if I was you
Feb 10th 2015
48
           Sorry, Noony. I forgot hipster paranoia is the only true music critisic...
Feb 10th 2015
49
                glad I could remind you
Feb 10th 2015
51
Damn, you made the Lesson sad already fam
Feb 10th 2015
47
bruh, you should check the GD post. atruhead is so sad
Feb 11th 2015
67
      I occupy space in your head.
Feb 11th 2015
74
           cool, atruhead
Feb 11th 2015
80
           http://tinyurl.com/kx27qwv <--Atruhead
Feb 11th 2015
84
I'm confident that he'll make an incredible album.
Feb 10th 2015
50
T&Y is about 1,000 times better than GKMC
Feb 10th 2015
52
      Let's just praise them both, no need to shit on anyone
Feb 10th 2015
53
           I'm not shitting on anyone
Feb 10th 2015
54
                I agree with all of those points, but still
Feb 10th 2015
55
                     Are they as sensitive as Drake fans?
Feb 10th 2015
56
                     About as sensitive as Lupe fans, really (no shots, sincerely)
Feb 10th 2015
58
                          The Age demos make me inclined to disagree, but cool
Feb 10th 2015
59
                               RE: The Age demos make me inclined to disagree, but cool
Feb 10th 2015
60
nah he won't.
Feb 10th 2015
57
LOL
Feb 10th 2015
61
*stands in this line*
Feb 12th 2015
99
So how do people feel about the last two bars?
Feb 10th 2015
62
Here's my take.
Feb 10th 2015
63
      That's not "your take." Its what he says, blatantly and clearly.
Feb 10th 2015
64
      lol it's not clear to everyone, apparently
Feb 10th 2015
65
      Yeah, Kendrick out here about 2 empathize with Lupe LOL
Feb 10th 2015
66
      Right, lol, Some it is based on that Billboard interview too
Feb 11th 2015
69
           I wasn't.
Feb 11th 2015
73
      this (and gambon, as it were) is how i hear it also.
Feb 11th 2015
70
           That's because people are imbeciles. Not Kendrick's fault.
Feb 11th 2015
72
      RE: That's not "your take." Its what he says, blatantly and clearly.
Feb 11th 2015
71
      novelist Michael Chabon on those last two bars
Feb 11th 2015
68
           i just started rocking w/ chabon not too long ago. my girl hipped me.
Feb 11th 2015
78
                I just finished Wonder Boys
Feb 11th 2015
83
                     http://tinyurl.com/kx27qwv
Feb 11th 2015
85
                     wrong section my G
Feb 11th 2015
86
                          My bad, that kinda explains some things
Feb 11th 2015
87
                               no way that imbecile reads books
Feb 11th 2015
88
                                    you two have dedicated a whole section of this post to discussing me
Feb 12th 2015
97
                                         http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljx072SL4M1qd7dym.jpg
Feb 12th 2015
98
                     so far, just 'mysteries of pitt' + 1 of the short story collections
Feb 12th 2015
90
                          You're a top 5 dork on here imo
Feb 12th 2015
91
                          FOH
Feb 12th 2015
93
                               tea game ain't been right since I stopped with the Nawf African baby
Feb 12th 2015
95
                               PR mami copped me one of those pots in chinatown last xmas, no kufi tho
Feb 12th 2015
96
                                    lofl, you fuz kill me when you get all
Feb 12th 2015
105
                                         on it.
Feb 13th 2015
114
                                         re: Layman -- word?
Feb 13th 2015
117
                               RE: FOH
Feb 13th 2015
110
                                    right
Feb 13th 2015
111
                                    We're the Rae and Ghost of bougie nigga shit
Feb 13th 2015
112
                                         my twitter handle is @VanillaRooibosGoon
Feb 13th 2015
113
                                              RE: my twitter handle is @VanillaRooibosGoon
Feb 13th 2015
116
                          He has the uncanny ability to make me hate reading about things I love
Feb 12th 2015
100
                          uh oh.
Feb 12th 2015
101
                               He's won the Pulitzer Prize, so maybe I'm just the asshole
Feb 12th 2015
103
                                    this seems to makes sense
Feb 12th 2015
106
                                    LOL, I liked "Visit From the Goon Squad" though
Feb 12th 2015
108
                                    word.
Feb 13th 2015
115
                          im the same way fam. 'cept
Feb 12th 2015
104
this post made me realize high functioning retarded people post here
Feb 11th 2015
75
http://tinyurl.com/m2cx8p3
Feb 11th 2015
76
lol
Feb 12th 2015
92
LOL
Feb 11th 2015
89
Grantland knows what's up (SWIPE):
Feb 11th 2015
77
Grantland is becoming my new favorite site
Feb 12th 2015
107
As far as I'm concerned Kendrick is 0-2 so far
Feb 11th 2015
81
RE: As far as I'm concerned Kendrick is 0-2 so far
Feb 12th 2015
94
      the colbert joint is the best one so far
Feb 12th 2015
102
That's Robert Glasper playing at the end
Feb 13th 2015
109

Nick Has a Problem...Seriously
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1. "RE: Kendrick Lamar - The Blacker the Berry"
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I'm in! Hopefully this is on the album.

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Falcons, Braves, Bulldogs and Hawks

Geto Boys, Poison Clan, UGK, Eightball & MJG, OutKast, Goodie Mob

  

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2. "This shit right here?!"
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Drop that album!

--

"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

  

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bucknchange
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3. "RE: aka don't misquote or take what i say outta context song"
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all bullshit aside, he's anti gang message/surrounded by gang members is a crazy juxtaposition. dude talented as hell
trillion times better than 'i'

  

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4. "HEAT. RAWKS."
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5. "he's 0 for 2"
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he said this might not make the album...but its his best new work i've heard

(4 mins in)


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k2slSRMKbyUvhE9D9gB?start=5

http://howardlloyd.bandcamp.com

  

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11. "0 for 2 ?"
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13. "RE: 0 for 2 ?"
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yeah 1 for 3 if the song on the Colbert show is included ... but it's not official or even titled.

miss me with I and this blacker the berry 1

http://howardlloyd.bandcamp.com

  

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19. "but you said"
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"its his best new work i've heard"

>miss me with I and this blacker the berry 1

  

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23. "RE: but you said"
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I linked the song I was talking about.

the Colbert performance.

http://howardlloyd.bandcamp.com

  

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6. "This is tough! I like it! "
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Mon Feb-09-15 06:47 PM by Orbit_Established

  

          

I can see the Kanye Yeezy screaming comparison/complaints but
Kendrick is a much better rapper

Dude is doing a wonderful job milking his pass from white
America, let's see if he gets a renewal

Sad thing is how this makes me think back to songs like
'Mr Nigga (Mos Def)' and how much more subtle and clever those
were

Those days are over....kids have to be screamed on, and I dig it
I guess...explains the J Cole popularity too

Definitely not my message but I DO enjoy the song

I'll take him

He truly is rap's Obama


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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

  

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7. "being "that guy" but I liked "i (love myself)" far more n/m"
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www.dumhi.com -- We are ALL dumhi

  

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29. "me too"
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8. "zzzzzZZZZzzzzZZZZzzzzZZZZZzzz"
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I wanna go to where the martyrs went
the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

  

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9. "Holy shit!!! K. Dot snapped on this shit."
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If the new album is gonna be like this?

SHIT!!!

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America from 9:00 on: https://youtu.be/GUwLCQU10KQ

  

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10. "oh yeah this shit is fiya"
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12. "flames"
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https://93millionmilesabove.blogspot.com/
https://rateyourmusic.com/~Kosa12

  

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14. "yes more of this and whatever that song from colbert was please."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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15. "Kendrick got a chance to be the Pac of his era dare i say"
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this cat is channeling 2Pac,Rakim and Scarface. Kendrick is bringing it now. feeling this cut.

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

  

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16. "this shit flames"
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17. "Needed this..."
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n/m

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Giants, Knicks, Yankees, Rangers

  

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18. ""Black as the heart of a fucking Aryan." "
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My people need this


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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

  

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27. "Dope line"
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Dope song

  

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30. "yeah, that line cold"
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20. "We're lucky to be around for this guy"
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21. "who's the Jamaican feature?"
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24. "RE: who's the Jamaican feature?"
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IF it's the same guy from the Yeezus album, he's a dancehall DJ named Assassin.

  

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34. "assassin/agent sasco."
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www.royallegacy.org

For Real (Official Video):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBRoCPO8esE

  

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39. "id rather hear him over this beat than kendrick...he killed it."
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I wanna go to where the martyrs went
the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

  

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79. "Sasco is that shit."
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Go dig up his albums, he's been killing it for years.

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82. "RE: Sasco is that shit."
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Yeah I'll check out his stuff, that feature on Yeezus he KILLED but I wasn't a fan of the overall song

Glad he's returned for another rap feature

  

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22. "!!!!!!"
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!

  

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25. "ASSASSIN!"
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35. "it's pissing me off that he's not getting his just due for these feature..."
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www.royallegacy.org

For Real (Official Video):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBRoCPO8esE

  

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37. "inbox"
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disregard if you already seent it

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Days like this I miss Sha Mecca

  

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38. "my bad fam. i saw it but "
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when i saw it i was occupied then forgot about it. will check now. bless

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maro
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26. "K dot keeps the bar high, however"
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listened, enjoyed, then went back and listened to mural for the 100th time.


werd.

  

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32. "Mural has been running my life for weeks"
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>listened, enjoyed, then went back and listened to mural for
>the 100th time.
>
>
>werd.

  

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33. "Mural is basically its own kind of music. "
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Not sure what that's called

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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

  

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41. "i listened to the shit 9 times in a row one day"
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i'm still catching some fly / clever shit Lupe spit on that

  

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36. "mural is my fave song right now n/m"
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*********************
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40. "Not Lupe fan but glad I gave that a listen"
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Didn't know he had that in him

  

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28. "goodness me. that last verse tho."
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that boy is nice. 'i' is cool but more of this please.

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31. "RE: Kendrick Lamar - The Blacker the Berry"
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Nice!! Favorite rapper right now!!

"The saddest thing in life is wasted talent, and the choices you make will shape your life forever". A Bronx Tale

  

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42. "Kendrick will have a hard time topping Tetsuo & Youth"
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and when Kendrick's LP drops, if you're not honest, if it's really not better, we can never be pals

Mural, Adoration of Magi, T.R.O.N., and Madonna >>> Black the Berry

  

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43. "I promise to compare it to a long book smart people read"
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44. "He won't...but no one will say it"
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45. "Maybe wait to hear the album before getting mad"
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46. "wow...didn't take long for the "you're mad" comments to start"
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You do realize that's not an intelligent way to communicate thoughts and ideas on a music forum right?

  

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48. "You made it sad....I'd ignore it if I was you"
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You should know that talk will ruin some people's
dinner

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49. "Sorry, Noony. I forgot hipster paranoia is the only true music critisic..."
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51. "glad I could remind you "
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47. "Damn, you made the Lesson sad already fam"
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Let's keep the energy positive

I hope that it is

  

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67. "bruh, you should check the GD post. atruhead is so sad"
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He's trying to convince people Lupe has manipulated us with his "decoder ring" bars to think he's smart

It's pathetic

  

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74. "I occupy space in your head."
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I have no clue what Lupe was talking about on his album. "Tetsuo & Youth decoder ring" was clearly a joke

but okay Im the sad one

  

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80. "cool, atruhead"
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cool.

  

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84. "http://tinyurl.com/kx27qwv <--Atruhead"
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http://tinyurl.com/kx27qwv

Hi

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50. "I'm confident that he'll make an incredible album."
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Guess we'll cross the "better than Tetsuo & Youth" bridge once he gets there. For my personal tastes, nothing has topped GKMC since it came out, but Tetsuo & Youth is one of the closest.

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52. "T&Y is about 1,000 times better than GKMC"
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53. "Let's just praise them both, no need to shit on anyone"
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I think saying that a Kendrick album has a hard act
to follow is a fair thing to say

But do recognize that at this point KL has a MUCH bigger fanbase
of kids + gets along with critics better, so I'd bet on it being
received better


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54. "I'm not shitting on anyone"
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I'm sure Kendrick will get more praise.

His album will probably be dope too.

I do think GKMC was overrated though.

I'm still not a fan of the gremlin voice either.

  

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55. "I agree with all of those points, but still"
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>I'm sure Kendrick will get more praise.
>
>His album will probably be dope too.
>
>I do think GKMC was overrated though.
>
>I'm still not a fan of the gremlin voice either.

His fans are extremely sensitive, and so I've learned
to try and tone it down when saying anything like this

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56. "Are they as sensitive as Drake fans?"
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58. "About as sensitive as Lupe fans, really (no shots, sincerely)"
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Fans of Kendrick, Lupe, Cole, etc. can all be pretty intolerable.

I can only speak for myself - I don't have any issues with Anonymous having his/her opinions about T&Y being better than GKMC. We all have our own tastes. I think T&Y is obviously more complex than GKMC, but I like GKMC better. I think GKMC is a classic, and that T&Y has all the tools to be the same.

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59. "The Age demos make me inclined to disagree, but cool"
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>Fans of Kendrick, Lupe, Cole, etc. can all be pretty
>intolerable.

Shit, rap fans in general are sensitive

But Kendrick, Cole, Drake's fanbases are all SIGNIFICANTLY
younger than Lupe's

And 25 y/o white nerds *hate* Lupe, and they buy the most
pure rap nowadays


>I can only speak for myself - I don't have any issues with
>Anonymous having his/her opinions about T&Y being better than
>GKMC. We all have our own tastes. I think T&Y is obviously
>more complex than GKMC, but I like GKMC better. I think GKMC
>is a classic, and that T&Y has all the tools to be the same.

This is cool, I'm with it

Hell, if this next Kendrick album is > T&Y, this might
be the best year in hip-hop in 20 years LOL

  

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60. "RE: The Age demos make me inclined to disagree, but cool"
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>But Kendrick, Cole, Drake's fanbases are all SIGNIFICANTLY
>younger than Lupe's
>
>And 25 y/o white nerds *hate* Lupe, and they buy the most
>pure rap nowadays

They're definitely much younger than Lupe's. That's what makes the Lupe fans so intolerable, lol - because they're adults and they still acting like that. I can at least cop some of Kendrick/Cole/Drake fan immaturity to being kids.


>Hell, if this next Kendrick album is > T&Y, this might
>be the best year in hip-hop in 20 years LOL

Hell yeah, lol

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57. "nah he won't."
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www.royallegacy.org

For Real (Official Video):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBRoCPO8esE

  

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61. "LOL"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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99. "*stands in this line*"
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________________________________________________
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62. "So how do people feel about the last two bars?"
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A one-stop page for new content from former Grantland-ers: https://twitter.com/grantlander33

  

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63. "Here's my take."
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A lot of people are saying he's participating in respectability politics, but I don't think so at all. The lyric I think people keep glossing over is at the end of the first two verses: "you made me a killer."

I perceive the song talking about how white supremacy has made black people hate themselves and kill each other over time, and the final two lines are basically describing that finality of them succumbing to becoming the hate that they've fought against.

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64. "That's not "your take." Its what he says, blatantly and clearly. "
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There's nothing to discuss, really

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65. "lol it's not clear to everyone, apparently"
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66. "Yeah, Kendrick out here about 2 empathize with Lupe LOL"
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Like "Do any of you motherfuckers listen, at all?"

Look how people got up in arms about his quotes


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69. "Right, lol, Some it is based on that Billboard interview too"
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I was definitely upset with the Billboard interview. But this song articulates his idea much more clearly, IMO

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73. "I wasn't. "
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>I was definitely upset with the Billboard interview. But this
>song articulates his idea much more clearly, IMO

He articulated it quite well the first time.

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70. "this (and gambon, as it were) is how i hear it also."
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but i can see how others may conflate this with his recent comments or not take into account that kendrick may either be articulating his thoughts in a more nuanced way or have changed his thoughts from then to now.

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72. "That's because people are imbeciles. Not Kendrick's fault. "
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>but i can see how others may conflate this with his recent
>comments or not take into account that kendrick may either be
>articulating his thoughts in a more nuanced way or have
>changed his thoughts from then to now.

n/m

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71. "RE: That's not "your take." Its what he says, blatantly and clearly. "
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>
>There's nothing to discuss, really


Tell that to the usual suspects....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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68. "novelist Michael Chabon on those last two bars"
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http://genius.com/Kendrick-lamar-the-blacker-the-berry-lyrics#note-4869068

  

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78. "i just started rocking w/ chabon not too long ago. my girl hipped me."
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working through his ography. dude's a beast.

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83. "I just finished Wonder Boys"
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it's a good book, not great. he loves the sounds and images of his words a little too much in certain sections, but what he did in the first 100 or so pages was fucn dope. it's basically like a bunch of min character biographies and history of ephemera within the novel, "stacked" on top of each other, that drives the plot forward. its funny too. I like humor in my novels these days

which one(s) you read(ing)

  

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85. "http://tinyurl.com/kx27qwv"
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http://tinyurl.com/kx27qwv

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86. "wrong section my G"
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87. "My bad, that kinda explains some things"
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I was like "Damn, that dude reads books?"

LOL

Now it makes more sense

  

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88. "no way that imbecile reads books"
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97. "you two have dedicated a whole section of this post to discussing me"
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I dont get the infatuation

  

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98. "http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljx072SL4M1qd7dym.jpg"
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http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljx072SL4M1qd7dym.jpg

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90. "so far, just 'mysteries of pitt' + 1 of the short story collections"
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but i really dug both.

planning to do 'wonder boys' and 'cavalier and klay' next.
whenever i audit a filmmaker / novelist / musician,
i usually do the whole ography chronologically.

i'm OCD as shit. lulz



>it's a good book, not great. he loves the sounds and images
>of his words a little too much in certain sections, but what
>he did in the first 100 or so pages was fucn dope. it's
>basically like a bunch of min character biographies and
>history of ephemera within the novel, "stacked" on top of each
>other, that drives the plot forward. its funny too. I like
>humor in my novels these days
>
>which one(s) you read(ing)

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91. "You're a top 5 dork on here imo"
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You try 2 act the thug but I know what's really
good witchu tho

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93. "FOH"
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what you know about this earl grey tho. tryna stop w/ the coffee so much.

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95. "tea game ain't been right since I stopped with the Nawf African baby"
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>what you know about this earl grey tho. tryna stop w/ the
>coffee so much.

Shorty had a nigga using those magic lantern looking tea pots,
had a dedicated kufi just for brewing tea


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(C)Keith Murray, "

  

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96. "PR mami copped me one of those pots in chinatown last xmas, no kufi tho"
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>Shorty had a nigga using those magic lantern looking tea pots,
>had a dedicated kufi just for brewing tea

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105. "lofl, you fuz kill me when you get all"
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About hummus, tea, potlucks, and salad talk within posts

Dula, if you haven't, read Laymon's Long Division best book I've read since Oscar Wao

  

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114. "on it."
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>Dula, if you haven't, read Laymon's Long Division best book
>I've read since Oscar Wao

that's high praise.

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117. "re: Layman -- word? "
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110. "RE: FOH"
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>what you know about this earl grey tho. tryna stop w/ the
>coffee so much.


Again...u niggas need your own public access show to talk about that bougie shit...

(*Although I'm not going to lie....My tea game is MEAN...Lady Earl Grey and such....*)

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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111. "right"
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shit is comedy

  

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112. "We're the Rae and Ghost of bougie nigga shit"
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But not necessarily "My kind of people" bougie

New bougie nigga shit

Humble thug

Don't sleep though, O_E will tap that jaw

Don't know Dula, he seem like a peaceable brotha

Not me tho

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113. "my twitter handle is @VanillaRooibosGoon"
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i'll throw a settee at you crazy

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116. "RE: my twitter handle is @VanillaRooibosGoon"
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>i'll throw a settee at you crazy


U guys r too much...lol

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100. "He has the uncanny ability to make me hate reading about things I love"
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Okay, first, let me back up a sec: I liked Wonder Boys. A lot even. I also hear good things about "Pittsburgh." And I hear his short stories/essays a really quite well done.

But from Kavalier and Klay on, his writing annoys the shit out of me. So much so that I feel like stapling his shirt to his body. It's like, re-learn how to write a simple sentence, motherfucker.

It's a seriously impressive feat that he's managed to make me hate reading about comic books, baseball, old vinyl, record stores, the Bay Area, elephants, and Jews. That makes up most of the list of my favorite things ever. And yet, when I read "Kavalier and Klay," "Summerland", etc., I can feel my brain calcifying.

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101. "uh oh."
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you're making me worry, hood.

this is fantastic btw:

>It's a seriously impressive feat that he's managed to make me
>hate reading about comic books, baseball, old vinyl, record
>stores, the Bay Area, elephants, and Jews. That makes up most
>of the list of my favorite things ever.

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103. "He's won the Pulitzer Prize, so maybe I'm just the asshole"
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Who am I to argue with the rest of the literary world that believes he's one of the best living novelists drawing breath?

But books like "Cavalier and Klay", "Summerland", and "Telegraph Avenue" were pretty much designed to be books that I would love, and yet reading them often made me want to stab myself in the temple with a pair of scissors. They had occasional passages or chapters that would make me think, "Okay, this part is kinda brilliant." But man, all were a fucking slog to get through.

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106. "this seems to makes sense"
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Read my initial post

It was already present in Wonder Boys

And please with the Pulitzer talk, trust its a smaller insular version of the Grammyys. I mean Egan won for Goon Squad, that book is turrbl

  

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108. "LOL, I liked "Visit From the Goon Squad" though"
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Well, except the last chapter about "the shape of music to come." That was wack as fuck. Rest of it worked for me. Even the PowerPoint chapter.

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115. "word."
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i'll report back after WB and K&C, but i'm impressed so far.

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104. "im the same way fam. 'cept"
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I go all out of order when its not music, then i catalogue their shifts in style and content through bios when I'm done

I'm'a read Telegraph Ave or Cavalier and Klay next. But its gunna have to wait cause I'm working on a PART of Delany's works and diggin into Octavia Butler

I def recommended Wonder Boys though, its the one after the one you read

And just as a nerd sidebar if you don't know, his name is pronounced ShayBON

My boy made me look all are you illiterate in front of Tananarive Due when he came up cause i called him Shu-bone

After two whiskey shots i let my L live

  

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75. "this post made me realize high functioning retarded people post here"
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not so retarded that they can't log on and enter a message on the internet, but retarded enough to not make any sense whatsoever

and if you're committed to trolling you suffer from a serious dysfunction

  

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76. "http://tinyurl.com/m2cx8p3"
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http://tinyurl.com/m2cx8p3

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www.royallegacy.org

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77. "Grantland knows what's up (SWIPE):"
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loving this article about the song

http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/being-real-black-for-you-who-kendrick-lamar-is-rapping-to-on-the-blacker-the-berry/

Being Real Black for You: Who Kendrick Lamar Is Rapping to on ‘The Blacker the Berry’
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by Rembert Browne
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I don’t remember the first time I heard “To Be Young, Gifted and Black.” I do recall, however, the first time I was instructed to listen to it.

The version was Donny Hathaway’s take, from his 1970 album Everything Is Everything. At the time, headed to fifth grade and abruptly leaving the familiar bubble of my all-black school, I was told to pay attention to the lyrics. I didn’t know the full history of the song, or lineage of the phrase. I didn’t know about the Aretha Franklin version, from an album of the same name. I didn’t know about the original Nina Simone version. And I didn’t know that Simone wrote the song in memory of her friend Lorraine Hansberry, author of A Raisin in the Sun.

(Nina Simone - To Be Young, Gifted, and Black: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3OIfuVpocU)

I didn’t know about the Elton John version either.

Since I was introduced to it, the song has remained by my side, because it’s talking about me and talking to me. It’s an exercise in self-love, as well as a plea for others to show us love. It feels private, but it isn’t nearly as effective had it not been so public.

From Hathaway’s version, it’s outward:

"In this whole wide world
There’s a million — a million boys and girls
Who are young, gifted and black
That’s a fact, oh yes it is"

And later, inward:

"Don’t you know that the joy — the joy of today is —
Is the day that we all — we all be proud to say
That we are young, gifted — gifted and black
And it’s sho’nuff where it’s at"

At Simone’s 1969 concert at New York’s Philharmonic Hall (that would become Black Gold), she spoke to the crowd before performing the song:

"Now, it is not addressed primarily to white people, though it does not put you down in any way, it simply ignores you. For my people need all the inspiration and love that they can get."

Hathaway, on his version, riffed toward the song’s end:

"I ain’t trying to bring down nobody else but I know it’s sho’nuff (gifted, gifted)"

These were two artists singing a song for a select group as if the door’s closed, but slightly cracked for anyone who cares enough to hear.

I’d wondered what it might be like to encounter, enjoy, or even sing along to the song and not be black. But it’s a fleeting curiosity. All I truly cared about was what it stood for — a song, birthed in strife, made for me.

♦♦♦

At the 2015 Grammys, Kendrick Lamar won two awards — his first Grammys — for Best Rap Performance and Best Rap Song, for the song “i.” When the song came out, much of the immediate reaction was that Kendrick had finally gone pop, because of the song’s seemingly cheesy catchphrase: “I love myself.” Here’s Kendrick, on the target audience of the song, speaking to Hot 97:

"I wrote a record for the homies that’s in the penitentiary right now. I also wrote a record for these kids that come up to my show with these slashes on they wrist saying they don’t wanna live no more. If I say something this blatant, this bold, this simple, they can take reaction from that, they can lock your body, they can’t trap your mind for my homies that’s in the pen. For the people that’s outside they have something more to live for, it starts with yourself first, and you won’t be thinking all these negative things that’s completely corrupt in your brain."

(Kendrick Lamar - i (Official Video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aShfolR6w8)

In Kendrick’s mind, this message is pointed at a particular group, but it resonated beyond its target. Through a cynical lens, it went “mainstream” — that’s what two Grammy wins validates.

Since the release of “i,” we’ve heard two additional offerings from Kendrick that could land on his follow-up to Good Kid, M.A.A.D City. There was the untitled song he performed as the final musical guest of The Colbert Report.

(Kendrick Lamar - Untitled (Live on The Colber Report): https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2cql39_kendrick-lamar-performs-new-untitled-song-on-the-colbert-report_music)

It’s a song about power through the lens of race. It’s about a clearly delineated minority and majority, with Kendrick addressing how Asians, Indians, and blacks exist as minority groups under a powerful white majority. And then, broadly, expressing how minority groups will have their cultures co-opted by the white majority, should they compromise their beliefs.

"A piece of mines
That’s what the white man wanted when I rhyme
Telling me that he selling me just for $10.99
I go platinum from rapping, I do the company fine
What if I compromise? He said it don’t even matter
Make a million or more, you living better than average
You losing your core following, gaining it all
Put a price on my talent, I hit the bank and withdraw
Hit the bank and withdraw, hit the bank and withdraw
Put myself in the rocket ship and I shot for the stars
Tell me what you accomplished and what he said to the boy
I’mma make you some promises that you just can’t ignore
Your profession anonymous as an artist
I don’t target your market
You ain’t signing your signature when I throw you my wallet
A lot of rappers are giving their demo all in the toilet
World tour, your masters, mortgage, I need ya"

Ultimately, it’s a song about distrust. It’s us versus them. And while “white man” can be understood as a metaphor for the industry, or those generally in power, it doesn’t have to be.

As the song ends, Kendrick focuses on his own race.

"What the black man say?
Tell ‘em we don’t die, tell ‘em we don’t die
Tell ‘em we don’t die, we multiply
Tell ‘em we don’t die, tell ‘em we don’t die
Tell ‘em we don’t die, we multiply
Tell ‘em we don’t die, tell ‘em we don’t die
Tell ‘em we don’t die, we multiply
Tell ‘em we don’t die, tell ‘em we don’t die
Tell ‘em we don’t die, we multiply"

It’s a call to arms, akin to something chanted at a rally. It’s Kendrick talking as a black man, about black people, to black people, but with the clear intention that everyone (including those in power) can hear his explicit point: We don’t die, we multiply.

And then there’s “The Blacker the Berry,” released Monday, the day after his Grammy wins.

(Kendrick Lamar - The Blacker The Berry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AhXSoKa8xw)

Attempting to decode every nook and cranny of a song, what it all means, and why Kendrick said what he said is difficult — and arguably irresponsible — two days after a song is released. But what is clear is that, through this song, he carries with him traces of his outspoken, black music-making ancestors, from Nina Simone’s tone and overall focus to Tupac Shakur’s self-aware perfection.

Discussing her audiences, Simone once said her job was to get black listeners “more aware of themselves and where they came from … and I will do it by whatever means necessary.” Her focus was not listeners, it was black listeners, all while playing venues that were often filled with white audiences smack in the middle of the civil rights movement. And this sentiment only intensified with time, from Simone’s note on “ignoring” white audiences in 1969 (which, as you can hear from the recording, is met with loud applause by audience members white and nonwhite) to Simone commenting that whites were in attendance “because they think it’s the thing to do.”

When Tupac was interviewed by MTV in 1994, he admitted to being a work in progress ultimately trying to make things better. Not a Chuck D–esque revolutionary leader with a plan, but someone who could report it as he saw it, even if it affects him negatively, for the purpose of pushing black people forward.

(2Pac - 1994 Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMXzLhbWtmk)

"I’m trying to find my way in the world, you know, I’m trying to be somebody instead of just make money off everybody. You know what I’m saying, so I go down paths that haven’t been traveled before and I usually mess up. But I learn, you know what I’m saying, I come back stronger. I’m not talking ignorant, you know what I’m saying. So I obviously put thought into what I do. …

When they see me, they know that every day when I’m breathing is for us to go farther. Every time I speak, I want the truth to come out. Every time I speak, I want a shiver. I don’t want them to be like they know what I’m gonna say because it’s polite. … I’m not saying I’m gonna rule the world or I’m gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world. And that’s our job: It’s to spark somebody else watching us. We might not be the ones, but let’s not be selfish and because we not gonna change the world let’s not talk about how we should change it. I don’t know how to change it, but I know if I keep talking about how dirty it is out here, somebody gonna clean it up."

Nina was fed up. Tupac was fed up. And if you were black, they both seemed to think you should be, too.

This is all contextually relevant considering the direction Kendrick has taken. The message in “The Blacker the Berry” is targeted: It’s well beyond a rap song about race. Or even a rap song about being black. It’s the rare reality of an entire song, by a major artist, that is wholly targeted toward one audience — one racial audience — and at certain points against another.

"Been feeling this way since I was 16, came to my senses
You never liked us anyway, fuck your friendship, I meant it
I’m African American, I’m African
I’m black as the moon, heritage of a small village
Pardon my residence
Came from the bottom of mankind
My hair is nappy, my dick is big, my nose is round and wide
You hate me don’t you?
You hate my people, your plan is to terminate my culture
You’re fuckin’ evil I want you to recognize that I’m a proud monkey
You vandalize my perception but can’t take style from me
And this is more than confession
I mean I might press the button just so you know my discretion
I’m guardin’ my feelins, I know that you feel it
You sabotage my community, makin’ a killin’
You made me a killer, emancipation of a real nigga"

The “fuck you, you did this to us, you want to be us, fuck you”–ness of the song is very clearly Black versus White (or even Black versus Everyone Else), and it stays true throughout the majority of the song. It only gets more specific and pointed as it progresses.

"I’m African American, I’m African
I’m black as the heart of a fuckin’ Aryan"

The twist to the song is that there’s a reveal. In each verse, he begins by referring to himself as “the biggest hypocrite of 2015.” In his final verse, he goes through a list of stereotypes — often related to being black — and then follows them by questioning the so-called positivity in his own blackness.

"So don’t matter how much I say I like to preach with the Panthers
Or tell Georgia state “Marcus Garvey got all the answers”
Or try to celebrate February like it’s my B-day
Or eat watermelon, chicken, and Kool-Aid on weekdays
Or jump high enough to get Michael Jordan endorsements
Or watch BET cause urban support is important
So why did I weep when Trayvon Martin was in the street?
When gangbanging make me kill a n-​-​-​-​ blacker than me?
Hypocrite"

Kendrick is attempting a lot in one song. It’s an internal monologue, made public, in which he’s working out his own issues, acknowledging his own demons. Is it conservative? Is he coming down hard on black people? Is he coming down surprisingly hard on white people? Does he fully understand race and power and inequality as much as one perhaps should before jumping in this sea of generalizations? There are days and weeks and months and infinities left to parse out these ideas. But what is true from even the first listen is that Kendrick is talking directly to black people.

Kendrick’s fed up. And if you’re black, he seems to think you should be, too.

Both Simone and Hathaway, in “To Be Young, Gifted and Black,” allude to this idea of not putting anyone else down, but — which is their way of creating a safe environment while making it explicitly clear that the song is not an equal-opportunity listen.

To say Kendrick is putting “people” down would be an understatement. To use his own words:

"Excuse my French but fuck you — no, fuck y’all
That’s as blunt as it gets, I know you hate me, don’t you?
You hate my people, I can tell ’cause it’s threats when I see you"

So what now? I know how this song makes me feel. It makes me feel proud to be black, proud that a black man created it, but also mad as hell. But that’s just me. But what happens when the majority of the rap-listening audience — Kendrick’s audience — represents the bad guy, in a major song from one of the most awaited albums of the year? What comes of that? Is it guilt? Denial? Or is the answer to ignore what’s being said and just nod along to the beat?

It’s unclear. But I can’t wait to find out.

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Happy 50th D’Angelo: https://chrisp.bandcamp.com/track/d-50

  

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81. "As far as I'm concerned Kendrick is 0-2 so far"
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94. "RE: As far as I'm concerned Kendrick is 0-2 so far"
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Lamar actually released three joints so far...The song he did on Colbert's last show....

I can see how people can be put off by the lay-up sample of "I"...Hearing the groove for "Who's That Lady" seems pretty blatant....

But the Colbert song was flames....And the new joint is dope...And very emotional, sparking some much needed dialogue....In my humble opinion....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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102. "the colbert joint is the best one so far"
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If life is stupendous one cannot also demand that it should be easy. - Robert Musil

  

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109. "That's Robert Glasper playing at the end"
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https://twitter.com/robertglasper/status/565066081065123840

  

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