every NY, LA, ATL, Philly and Houston rapper COMBINED. For me, that's worse than Macklemore winning last year or Iggy being nominated this year.

Take an one time interesting artist, who should have gotten recognition during their golden era, and heap accolades on them after the fact and use them as a 'safe' default winner in any category they are in. The second he popped in with Elton John, another dude who was winning awards decades after he sucked, he got anointed as 'that guy' and will continue winning rap grammy's as long as he puts it out no matter how awful they aer.

At least Em was a great rapper, and is still a good one, even though his songwriting has been shit for over a decade now.

1 eminem been winning award out the gate though. and he was critically and commercially successful out the gate. so how does the "shoulda been appreciated" thing apply to him

2 if it has nothing to do with race... name a black artist who gets Grammies for putting out BS. it's everything to do with race

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and 6 Best Rap Album awards. All but ONE of his albums were crowned best of the fucking year.

He only has 2 good albums though. 3 if we're being generous.

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>2 if it has nothing to do with race... name a black artist who
>gets Grammies for putting out BS. it's everything to do with
>race

Aretha Franklin won for covering 'A House Is Not a Home' in 2004.

Stevie Wonder has wong *25* Grammys. Twenty. Five. including one for singing 'So Amazing' w/Beyonce.

note: Stevie and Aretha won for performing on a Luther tribute album. the Grammys had recently adopted Luther as a favorite after having failed to award him when he was at his artistic peak.

fuck you.

>>2 if it has nothing to do with race... name a black artist
>who
>>gets Grammies for putting out BS. it's everything to do with
>>race
>
>Aretha Franklin won for covering 'A House Is Not a Home' in
>2004.
>
>Stevie Wonder has wong *25* Grammys. Twenty. Five. including
>one for singing 'So Amazing' w/Beyonce.
>
>note: Stevie and Aretha won for performing on a Luther tribute
>album. the Grammys had recently adopted Luther as a favorite
>after having failed to award him when he was at his artistic
>peak.
>
>

yeah... but those are all r&b grammys which always go to blacks anyway.

you can't name the category!

eminem and white artist get "record of the year"

not the same buddy and u know it. they made those other categories to make up for the fact the other categories are basically reserved for white artists

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>2 if it has nothing to do with race... name a black artist who
>gets Grammies for putting out BS. it's everything to do with
>race
it also got best rap album

On number 2 Jazz, Gospel is a graveyard of names given grammys based on past glories to really shitty works

but it's also not about him being accoladed late b/c he's been getting a steady stream of awards almost since the beginning.

however, he IS one of those acts that NARAS will award just about whenever he's nominated. Aretha Franklin had a similar string, so did Stevie, so did Quincy Jones. Beyonce is having one now. and there are others.

fuck you.

...to yourself, cause if he didn't win, Iggy would've, and you know it, to the people on the board, whitewashing the winner will always seem like the likeable choice over quality.

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You guys are missing my point; obviously im not saying the grammy's are not racist. its just the fact that Eminem is overwhelmingly the safe choice, something that they tend to consistantly vote for in even in 'white' categories(you can argue if he got to safe choice status because of his white skin, i wouldn't necessarily disagree with you but at two decades into a career its a moot point). Probably the only person that could beat him is Jay-Z, and that's because he's also a 'safe' choice white grammy voters recognize.

Only thing I am doing is comparing eminem to many white guys that still win awards waaaay after they are in their careers decline. They are(were) great musicians(like Em is a great technical rapper), but their songs are in the modern era are shit...yet they win more now then they did then. Hence Beck winning the biggest grammy category for one of his worst albums.



>...to yourself, cause if he didn't win, Iggy would've, and
>you know it, to the people on the board, whitewashing the
>winner will always seem like the likeable choice over
>quality.
>
>
>

Em ain't made a good album in 10+ years and him winning that award is just as bad as Iggy winning. Yeah the Grammy's don't matter but fuck that! The person that deserves to win should win. Em has won this award 3 of the past 6 times. Please tell me which album was deserving of being called the best rap album of either year?

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>Em ain't made a good album in 10+ years and him winning that
>award is just as bad as Iggy winning. Yeah the Grammy's don't
>matter but fuck that! The person that deserves to win should
>win. Em has won this award 3 of the past 6 times. Please tell
>me which album was deserving of being called the best rap
>album of either year?

but saying its just as bad as Iggy winning is insane...

Iggy being the first female MC to win that award would have turned heads...

Em is talented at least...

But we all know that The Grammys get best rap album wrong often...

Diddy winning over Biggie, Wu, and Wyclef was wrong...
Luda winning over The Roots (Release Therapy vs. Game Theory) was wrong...

So yeah...there's a history of it...I expected Em to win this award...it was the safe pick to avoid a internet explosion of Iggy winning it after what happened last year with Macklemore...

MMLP2 is trash b.

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Yeah Em is talented but he has to be able to use that talent to create good music. He hasn't done that in over a decade.

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MMLP2 is pretty much the pinnacle of horrible production killing a very good lyrical performance. But at least Em showed and proved.

No way is it as bad as Iggy winning. She doesn't do anything well.

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>MMLP2 is pretty much the pinnacle of horrible production
>killing a very good lyrical performance. But at least Em
>showed and proved.
>
>No way is it as bad as Iggy winning. She doesn't do anything
>well.

To me it's just as bad because he won due to white popularity.

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we keep it moving,

B) He's won for 6 of his 7 albums. Do you honestly believe he's not winning because he's white.

C) Kanye is the only black rapper to win best rap album in a year in which a white rapper was nominated

but you honestly believe Q's album was better. That line up really didn't have any amazing albums so I believe it's a "impact" thing. Don't get me wrong I bumped Q's album but it seems like it came and went.

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Agreed. Q too. Either of those two should have won.

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Were ya'll really were playing that album?

we keep it moving,

I'm not a fan of Gambino but out of the nominated albums, him or Q should have won. Em should not have won that award period.

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All those albums were lame and got one listen from me, it's always better music out there and it's usually from indie lable acts but hardly from major label ones and the fact Grammys keeps that as a rule for winner is just a shame.

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(Full disclosure, I don't really care about the Grammy's either way):

2000: Slim Shady Album wins
Nominated:
Busta Rhymes – E.L.E. (Extinction Level Event): The Final World Front
Missy Elliott – Da Real World
Nas – I Am…
The Roots – Things Fall Apart

Should have won: The Roots, but Em's album was the second best of the nominees that year.

2001: MMLP wins.
Nominated:
DMX – ...And Then There Was X
Dr. Dre – 2001
Jay-Z – Vol. 3... Life and Times of S. Carter
Nelly – Country Grammar

Should have won: Um, Em might have been the right choice here. The case could be made for 2001, and I liked Vol. 3 a lot, but MMLP might have been better than both.

2003: Eminem Show wins
Nominated:
Ludacris – Word of Mouf
Mystikal – Tarantula
Nelly – Nellyville
Petey Pablo – Diary of a Sinner: 1st Entry

Should have won: Um, Eminem Show is the right choice here too.


2010: Relapse wins
Nominated:
Common – Universal Mind Control
Flo Rida – R.O.O.T.S.
Mos Def – The Ecstatic
Q-Tip – The Renaissance

Should have won: Either Ecstatic or Renaissance (I prefer Ecstatic).

2011: Recovery wins.
Nominanted:
B.o.B – B.o.B Presents: The Adventures of Bobby Ray
Drake – Thank Me Later
Jay-Z – The Blueprint 3
The Roots – How I Got Over

Should have won: HIGO. The other three nominees are pretty bad though. It's a weak year for nominees when Blueprint 3 is the second best album on the list.

2015: MMLP2 wins
Nominated:
Iggy Azalea – The New Classic
Common – Nobody's Smiling
Childish Gambino – Because the Internet
Wiz Khalifa – Blacc Hollywood
ScHoolboy Q – Oxymoron

Should have won: Nobody's Smiling, I guess. Maybe Oxymoron. I didn't love either of those albums.


What I take away from this:
1. Given the field of nominees, I can't really complain about 2-3 of Em's wins.
2. The Grammy's nominated a lot of bad albums for the "Best Rap Album" category. Like, a lot.

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and to clarify, he shouldn't have won that either, but he was the best of the nominees

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Looking over the nominees every year since 1996, there hasn't been an overall really strong year for nominations. Tt's a good year when three good albums are nominated.

From 2000 and on, the NARAS definitely has a group of favorites: Eminem, Kanye, Jay-Z, Nas, The Roots, Missy, Ludacris, Lupe, T.I., and Common. Each year, they look at which artists of this group dropped an album, plug them into a slot, and fill out the rest with like Drake and Lil Wayne, the occasional critically acclaimed artist (Macklemore or Kendrick) and add an occasional sacrificial lambs that aren't gonna win (Mos Def, Q-Tip, 2 Chainz). The best way to get in the field is to win or be nominated before.

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>From 2000 and on, the NARAS definitely has a group of
>favorites: Eminem, Kanye, Jay-Z, Nas, The Roots, Missy,
>Ludacris, Lupe, T.I., and Common.


You could argue that these are the most important rappers of the era, though.

I imagine if they'd released more music, they'd get more nominations/

>You could argue that these are the most important rappers of
>the era, though.

Which brings us bang to the age-old question: what are the Grammy's supposed to be rewarding? Do they reward the best overall albums in each genre of music? The important albums by the important artists in each genre? The best albums by the important artists in each genre? The highest selling albums by these artists?

Because if we're going to say, hey, it's okay that artists from this pool make up the majority of the nominees, because they're the most "important" artists of the era, then we can't get upset when Eminem wins for almost every album he's recorded, because he was certainly among the most important rappers in each year that he was nominated.

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should have the most nomintations, but the actual hardware should go to the best LPs, and don't think most people believe Em had the best LP's the years he won, especially since the other acts we mentioned were also nominated.

Stratifying artists by importance in order to grant them nominations just goes against the nature of the award for me. Generally doesn't work that way for the Oscars, as flawed as they are, and I agree with that.

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Fam, let's keep it funky. Em's importance is mainly because of his whiteness. Do you agree or disagree?

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>Fam, let's keep it funky. Em's importance is mainly because
>of his whiteness. Do you agree or disagree?

His whiteness and his ability to sell records. As bad as his last three albums were, they sold lots of units. And yes, his whiteness and his ability to sell records are intertwined.

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2001 could have gone to Dre. I ain't mad though because TMMLP is his only great album. 2003 is the only year he should have won and that's due to weak nominees that year.

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>(Full disclosure, I don't really care about the Grammy's
>either way):
>
>2000: Slim Shady Album wins
>Nominated:
>Busta Rhymes – E.L.E. (Extinction Level Event): The Final
>World Front
>Missy Elliott – Da Real World
>Nas – I Am…
>The Roots – Things Fall Apart
>

- I think it could've went to either or. 1 had the hits, the other was better put together, not to say Slim Shady wasn't. But having a smash hit and that type of cultural impact outweighs just a well put together album.


>2001: MMLP wins.
>Nominated:
>DMX – ...And Then There Was X
>Dr. Dre – 2001
>Jay-Z – Vol. 3... Life and Times of S. Carter
>Nelly – Country Grammar

- I don't even like Dre as much as everyone else but 2001 should have won.


>2003: Eminem Show wins
>Nominated:
>Ludacris – Word of Mouf
>Mystikal – Tarantula
>Nelly – Nellyville
>Petey Pablo – Diary of a Sinner: 1st Entry

- Anyone here would've been the WRONG choice lol. But if you HAD to pick it goes to Em.

>2010: Relapse wins
>Nominated:
>Common – Universal Mind Control
>Flo Rida – R.O.O.T.S.
>Mos Def – The Ecstatic
>Q-Tip – The Renaissance

- Mos should have won. Em hasn't had a good album worth a nomination to me since the first.

>2011: Recovery wins.
>Nominanted:
>B.o.B – B.o.B Presents: The Adventures of Bobby Ray
>Drake – Thank Me Later
>Jay-Z – The Blueprint 3
>The Roots – How I Got Over

- Blueprint 3 or Thank Me Later. Not even a question. Should have went to 1 of those.

>
>Should have won: HIGO. The other three nominees are pretty bad
>though. It's a weak year for nominees when Blueprint 3 is the
>second best album on the list.
>
>2015: MMLP2 wins
>Nominated:
>Iggy Azalea – The New Classic
>Common – Nobody's Smiling
>Childish Gambino – Because the Internet
>Wiz Khalifa – Blacc Hollywood
>ScHoolboy Q – Oxymoron

- Should have been Q. Would have been a no brainer if he had 1 smash on that album. If Iggy won it would've been better than Em because she had huge singles.


I agree with your conclusion btw.

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>either way):
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>2000: Slim Shady Album wins
>Nominated:
>Busta Rhymes – E.L.E. (Extinction Level Event): The Final
>World Front
>Missy Elliott – Da Real World
>Nas – I Am…
>The Roots – Things Fall Apart
>
The Roots should've won
>
>2001: MMLP wins.
>Nominated:
>DMX – ...And Then There Was X
>Dr. Dre – 2001
>Jay-Z – Vol. 3... Life and Times of S. Carter
>Nelly – Country Grammar
>
2001 should've won
>
>2003: Eminem Show wins
>Nominated:
>Ludacris – Word of Mouf
>Mystikal – Tarantula
>Nelly – Nellyville
>Petey Pablo – Diary of a Sinner: 1st Entry
>
example of how trash rap was back then. no one deserved it
>
>2010: Relapse wins
>Nominated:
>Common – Universal Mind Control
>Flo Rida – R.O.O.T.S.
>Mos Def – The Ecstatic
>Q-Tip – The Renaissance
>
Mos or Tip
>
>2011: Recovery wins.
>Nominanted:
>B.o.B – B.o.B Presents: The Adventures of Bobby Ray
>Drake – Thank Me Later
>Jay-Z – The Blueprint 3
>The Roots – How I Got Over
>
Drake or the Roots
>
>2015: MMLP2 wins
>Nominated:
>Iggy Azalea – The New Classic
>Common – Nobody's Smiling
>Childish Gambino – Because the Internet
>Wiz Khalifa – Blacc Hollywood
>ScHoolboy Q – Oxymoron
>
Q or Common. didn't listen to anyone elses album

>(Full disclosure, I don't really care about the Grammy's
>either way):
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>2000: Slim Shady Album wins
>Nominated:
>Busta Rhymes – E.L.E. (Extinction Level Event): The Final
>World Front
>Missy Elliott – Da Real World
>Nas – I Am…
>The Roots – Things Fall Apart
>
>Should have won: The Roots, but Em's album was the second best
>of the nominees that year.

yeah but not nominated...like water for chocolate, fantastic vol2, train of thought, supreme clientele etc

and i won't do it for all the years but you get the picture. can't just go by who is nominated because thats part of the vetting process

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>yeah but not nominated...like water for chocolate, fantastic
>vol2, train of thought, supreme clientele etc

Well, of course the best albums weren't nominated. I say in Post #23 (and all through this post) that that's the bigger issue. The Grammy's have their pool of artists that they like to nominate and they stick to that script.

And c'mon, are we really expecting the Grammy's back in 2000 were going to nominate the extremely independent Slum Village for anything? And I'm pretty sure "Wu-Tang Forever" was the last time anyone Wu-Tang affiliated was nominated for anything.

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point is ...all of those records are classics

and better than the nominees

if we really aint expecting anything...the whole conversation is moot (which in my opinion it is....i'm just here refuting eminems wins have nothing to do with whiteness)

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seriously?
a dude who can legitimately rap his ass off (whatever you think of him otherwise) gets a grip of rap grammys, and thats worse than Macklemore winning or Iggy being nominated?

you may not agree that he deserved to win every year, but theres no WAY him winning is more of a travesty than Macklemore and Iggy.

than anything Em has dropped in a decade. I can only assume his album is pretty decent.

.

but thats not the issue you brought up
you're saying that em's run of wins is a bigger deal than Macklemore winning last year
and in Macks case - going up against GKMC???? c'mon now.

The Heist was critically acclaimed AND a commercial smash. You may personally prefer GKMC, but it's not like Macklemore won for a piece of fluff. He owned the year.

>but thats not the issue you brought up
>you're saying that em's run of wins is a bigger deal than
>Macklemore winning last year
>and in Macks case - going up against GKMC???? c'mon now.

It is a bigger deal because no Em album released after The Eminem Show should have been nominated to begin with. The fact that he's won 6 is a travesty.

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I mean, of that list, I'd go Schoolboy, but even then it's still not a slam dunk.

ANY of them is better than giving Iggy the award.

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Most Grammy nominations are not representative of the best that music has to offer that year.

Still getting angry over the Grammys baffles me.

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True but there were still 2 albums better than Em's nominated and they didn't win because they aren't popular.

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It's been a slippery slope.
I personally liked Relapse for the rapping gymnastics he did on there (and I think others did as well around these parts if I'm not mistaken).

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Even if we did it here and NARAS just called us for our list we'd end up with our own injustices. We'd give Ghostface's 2000 award to Outkast for Stankonia instead of Supreme Clientele since Lauryn won in 98 instead of Aquemini....

Thankfully we've moved on from making that relevant for hip hop fans. No one is running out to discover Em's record now that he won or any of these nominees except maybe Q.

If they wanted to make the Grammys relevant it would be closer to the Oscar model in that there's always movies that the public doesn't know well in every category and rarely does the biggest movie even get nominated (like no LEGO Movie, c'mon son...)

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lauryn never won rap album of the year

jay-z won in 98

lauryn won "record of the year"

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note the "If we did it..."
meaning we'd likely have given it to Lauryn and thus denied a deserving Outkast, meaning we'd have to reward them denying a deserving Ghostface, etc.etc.etc...

respect,
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"my old boy from the Point but I'm from Southwest..."

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Are you ready to design your fate?" -Kelvin Mercer

Hard Knock Life won rap album of the year that year. Sadly, Aquemini wasn't even nominated.

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I never take much stock into the Grammys period. Real hip-hop fans know whats a classic & whats commercial garbage. Em is an awesome artist but even he doesn't take the Grammys that seriously (unlike Kanye West who acts like its a damn validation that you're the best). He's been quoted in saying Relapse & Recovery was not him at his best. He honestly deserved it for MMLP2 but only by default (I love Common & The Roots but I've seen better from them.

Schooly D. Enimen can spit and understood being catchy however he is vaastly overrated.

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>Schooly D. Enimen can spit and understood being catchy
>however he is vaastly overrated.



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i never liked his voice but what i can't stand how overrated and celebrated he is by fans/peers/industry. he is good but not unquestionably good. not having more grammies than all rappers in the history of rap combined level of good.

he's savant levels with the lyricism but he has so many wack albums and stupid songs. why did the novelty of the first white boy who could rap very well not eventually wear off? everytime he drops a wack album, it still goes at least plantium.

meanwhile i almost never hear an eminem song in any type of dj set in a setting with black patrons or on black radio. underground or commercial. current or throwback.

what is he? the first napster mp3 only mc?

*bursts a forehead vessel*

ps the only eminem song that he as survived in my playlist all these years is "Bad vs Evil" with Royce.

it was a throw away category this year

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