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…first MC that comes to mind is Mic Geronimo...

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http://www.blastro.com/player/tonytouchiwonderwhy.html?detect_bitrate=_2000

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1utMUgT0Qk

Whole album is a mess. A few decent joints but incredibly disjointed and scattered.

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That's one of the few songs I skip. Wasn't a bad song just felt a little forced.

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The subject matter was out of his lane but he pulled it off and made a dope cut. I don't see how this is selling out. Is it because 50 singing on the hook?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnVRpPKd8Is

Was ahead of its time.. killed in Europe though.. when I was on tour there they played this like every 3 videos

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>Was ahead of its time..

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if at first you don't succeed... add a white person to your line-up.

but BEP are the sell out poster children

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQIxnycy5sM

n/m

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9eNjxavmkw

at least the song title accurately described the track contents.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl_WkTiH6-Q

will smith wanna know how his ass tastes...

but can this truly be considered a "sell out" attempt if Kobe never made any "hardcore" rap before this?

Or is this just counting as a general cashgrab (look! NBA player raps!)

Shaq was the only one to pull that off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdkg5Hlr5aw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8IGQBfBMiA

irv tried so hard with these scrubs...

http://www.videodetective.com/music/handclap/75340

grand opening, grand closing.

the struggle is strong with this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqIOJ9YZJxA

ray benzino competes with his son to see who's wacker...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s9pYcTPrqM

this one might have actually been a hit with mtv crowds (W) if phil collins hadn't have insisted on appearing in the video/featured billing.

That song was aight to me.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX-1q_Lpzp8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yyx0NFjVzEk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF4r-UvvVk4

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the v. stiviano to jimmy iovine's donald sterling.

That was when Interscope spent 3 million on Nicole, Eve and Will.I.Am's albums....only Will's dropped...and then everyone in the building got fired because of it.

Personally I thought the song w/T.I. was dope. Polow Da Don's run is kinda underrated IMO

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GdLmo7L5oU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooBkgdQynXA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbGJCT3R154

fallin' off at 20 years old has to be pretty tough.

when interscrod dropped him -- he smartly no sold it.

but after this point his "career" consisted mostly of hashtags, re-tweets and vines.

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It's still a tough listen for me. I seem to be in the minority on that around here though, as folks swear Jewelz is a start to finish classic.

Selling out? Far from yours?

The fuck is wrong with you nerds?

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>It's still a tough listen for me. I seem to be in the
>minority on that around here though, as folks swear Jewelz is
>a start to finish classic.

sounded too thirsty for commercial acceptance. Never could really get into "Jewelz". I remember him getting interviewed on Video Music Box looking like he was about to cry cuz his "Word Life" album didn't move that many units. Right then and there I knew "I'd rather be broke and have a whole lot of respect" was some bullshit.

Jewelz was a BEAUTIFUL hip hop record.

The music was beautiful

There was ZERO selling out.

War Games?

The Chosen One?

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Never seen a rapper look so sad when no one died.

That said I know what yall are saying about Far From Yours and My World but I love that album. Never was a huge fan of My World but I really REALLY like Far From Yours. Just a smooth as record.

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Women I know loved that song because the vibe was mellow, but O was rapping his ass off on that record and the content didn't switch. He was saying the things he's always said over a more melodic backdrop than usual, which is probably where the feeling comes from since he usually favors melodic production to start with.

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card out on y'all

Because these some real nerdy basement dweller opinions

That song came out in the late spring/early summer, perfect song for that time of year. And like I said, his technique and lyricism was in top form. It's an empty gripe, in my opinion.

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Not one.

Not sure who these herbs are, but they don't know anything
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I don't think he totally did some super blatant pop attempt with it, but like I said, it felt like a reach to me. I don't see how its formula is that much different from the Bad Boy-familiar loop, sung chorus with interpolated lyrics template. I mean, that hook is terribly cheesy. And when I heard it in conjunction with the beat I was left thinking "Is he really trying to get over with a Tevin Campbell (Quincy Jones) song??". Plus his flow is stunted as hell on it. As someone who championed Word...Life and had been looking forward to his follow-up for years, the way he was rhyming on there was an obvious, likely intentional regression in delivery and wordplay. To my ears, it sounded like he may have even freestyled most of it. And then you combine it with this Fugee-La esque looking video in the islands, where's it's part him being chased while riding a motorcycle, part performance shots with him in linen with mad chains on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FNWC2651NI

It definitely came off like he (and likely Mic G) saw rap peers from NY like Nas and Jay-Z especially come up and make that transition; and he wanted to try his hand at it. And I believe his second verse on Respect Mine from Soul Survivor addresses it:

Since day one when I came upon the scene
For this mic I fiend, respect played a part before the cream
I figure respect last longer because cream come and go
I done seen five to ten and even fifteen a show and blew it
Now I know that my ill escape is real estate
No more will I make that mistake
Respect is what matters cause that shit hold weight

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Broadening the appeal does not = "selling out."

Guys, we solved this problem almost 20 years ago.

Grow the fuck up.

This isn't within light years of "selling out."

There is no artistic compromise. There is no dumbing
anything down. There is no change of essential formula.

Its OC, just like we knew him, spitting over a beat that
your girlfriend would like.

That isn't "selling out."

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Biggie and Puff pretty much set it off- Big Poppa, One More Chance, Get Money, Players Anthem, Crush on You, Hypnotize
Fugees- Fu-gee-la
Nas- If I ruled the world
Jay- Ain't no nigga

melodic hooks, recognizable samples, and feel good rhymes: it's a hit!

These were the songs that got girls HYPE, like they would stampede everyone in the club on the way to the floor

Someone mentioned Mic Geronimo, one of the worst attempts I ever heard

O.C. wasn't as blatant, but there were definitely elements. And girls dug it, but wasn't stomping you out to get to the floor like the ones above. They were more like "it's cool" while dudes were like "O is ill, but fuck that yvette michelle hook"

.....that being said, a song like O.C.'s "far from yours" is an example of a GREAT song that can also be labeled as the artists "sell out" or "trying to get airplay" attempt

You notice A LOT of artists that talked against selling out, actually had their share of sellout type songs...i think OP is looking for BAD sellout songs, where the artist would have been better off sticking to their hardcore stuff rather than trying and flopping with a radio track.. Mic Geronimo is a great example of this.. Big Daddy Kane with the mess that was his "Prince of Darkness" album is another...

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It was more catchy but still in his lane so I wouldn't consider that
a "sell out" move.

http://i54.tinypic.com/2j51hj4.jpg

Not every rap song with someone singing on it means it's their sellout or commercial song, I will admit he was going for radio play with that song but mane O.C. was rhyming like he usually did, if any it was a song for & about the hood chicks who listen to rap not pop radio.

Another song I like that is that same level is Group Home's "Suspended In Time" the original is hard but Premier made a smoother version with Amel Larrieux on the hook, yeah it was for the radio but the lyrics are still hoodish an not a sell out track by any means.

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Tho a great fun song but considering the climate of the
era it dropped, the "jiggy" factor was hard to dismiss.

It surely wasn't an attempt to go full on "Jiggy" at all. Kept the Boom Bap feel, but was more melodic, and had a girl singing kinda dry on the hook...so it was an attempt to cross over, but wasn't blatant.

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Not an egregious "shiny suit" level reach, but a formulaic one nonetheless. I said my peace in post #33, but I understand that folks are real sensitive about O.C. on here.

>It surely wasn't an attempt to go full on "Jiggy" at all.
>Kept the Boom Bap feel, but was more melodic, and had a girl
>singing kinda dry on the hook...so it was an attempt to cross
>over, but wasn't blatant.

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went for a more commercial sound and broke up afterwards so might call it a failure. I don't hate the album but compared to the first two, it fails.

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This will never not be funny to me. Trend-hopping with no shame at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6_XHkNXWQk

The Lox - If You Think I'm Jiggy

If You Think I'm Jiggy helped The LOX go platinum.

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that was a legit attempt to sell a bunch of records.
it failed-- the album is still weird as hell.

>that was a legit attempt to sell a bunch of records.

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something about George Clinton saying "let's stop playing around and do this shit for real."

So they sought to do a record that was just pure r&b.

i can't find the liner notes online though. so i dunno.

>>that was a legit attempt to sell a bunch of records.
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that Cosmic Slop happened because George decided that they had to start selling some records and as such, the records had to sound "blacker" and "slicker."

Some of the guys in the band were not cool with it... they said they liked the fucked up mixing of the previous albums and they wanted all the feedback and the "airplanes and bombs."

George said "We gotta get on black radio... and with this rock shit we're doing, we're not on black radio OR white radio. White radio ain't gonna play us no matter how hard we rock, so we gotta go black."

(This has been documented in a number of books and interviews about P-Funk)

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but now that I think about it...

"Nappy Dugout" (did that predate "Cosmic Slop"?) felt like it could have gotten play, but ... TITLE LOL

"attempting to sellout" lol

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i think we'd be remiss if we didn't include this.

Nah he may not have flopped with that one.

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So nope.

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i think you're being slightly dishonest with the response you just described.

song debuted at #40 just a couple weeks ago and has been dropping since...

video went online 2 weeks ago and hasn't even broken 4 million views in 2 weeks.

the response from the internet has been extremely mixed to negative.

simply put: it's not the commercial success it was obviously drafted to be.

i won't be surprised if it's an "bonus track" or something to save face.

you guys use phrases you don't understand

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Without the context of the narrative of the album, the song is a watered down product.

I felt the same way as they did about the song too when it was released - that the song was of lesser quality as the music on Good Kid, m.A.A.d City. But the single did keep his name in the public's mind and also allowed him to reach new fans that didn't catch his music from his first album.

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How could Kweli and Kanye rip themselves off?