2. "It is pretty ridiculous." In response to Reply # 1
I don't really consider myself a Mobb fan - I thought HOE was pretty good, but even in my youth I felt like the production on Murda Muzik was kinda weak. Haven't been following them closely ever since.
The sample flips on The Infamous were just too good. He hasn't come anywhere close to that level to this day.
Maybe it was Q-Tip's inspiration and making the best use of whatever records he had.
Maybe Tip really did have more production involvement than we've been told. A big part of me hopes that's not the case.
Still….one of the best albums in the history of rap. Just weird that Havoc regressed like that.
14. "RE: It is pretty ridiculous." In response to Reply # 2
>I don't really consider myself a Mobb fan - I thought HOE was >pretty good, but even in my youth I felt like the production >on Murda Muzik was kinda weak. Haven't been following them >closely ever since.
i think it's far more plausible that he simply had his production heyday in that 1994-1996 period (also remember the joints for other people he produced around the same period, namely nas) and just wasnt as good on the later records...just like q-tip (who had a longer period of absolute productional greatness (the first three 3 albums with tribe)) but eventually branched out with his sound
4. "During that time it's highly plauisble" In response to Reply # 3
don't forget he did the Illusions remix for Cypress Hill a little after that he'd also said he wanted to go in more intense direction after Midnight Marauders, and his work after that pointed in that direction now I don't think he did it all himself, but I'm sure his hand was Hav's back a lot more than they let on
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22. "RE: Something is up..." In response to Reply # 1
I feel like Hell On Earth is Prodigy's lyrical peak, but Infamous has Mobb's best production and songwriting front to back. The concepts, hooks and beats all sound more "full" on Infamous. Makes you wonder about the level of Tip's influence and the impact of his absence on HOE and MM.
36. "RE: He changed machines :(" In response to Reply # 33
>He shoulda stayed on the EPS. And it's obvious EPS because of >how he >manipulated the samples. Q-Tip was never an EPS user.
yeah i went from an eps to an ASR 10 and i felt the eps just had that "feel" that was more raw.. of course it did due to sample rates
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5. "this one's been out for a while" In response to Reply # 0
I personally found it about ten years ago but the samp was revealed a few years before then
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The main samp hasn't been discovered and last I heard he isn't telling
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21. "That's that isht I don't like..." In response to Reply # 11
>The main samp hasn't been discovered and last I heard he isn't >telling >
He makes money off the work of this artist and refuses to turn you on to this artist. The owning and claiming of derivative work is messed up on an ethical level that I have a hard time articulating. You might as well be Elvis Presley or the Rolling Stones. Either create if from the ground or give credit to those who did.
I know many will disagree with this viewpoint and feel that it's ok either because he paid the artist or because he incorporated the sample into a new sound, but either way, credit is still due, imo, since he didn't make it himself.
29. "i'm not as hardcore as most but snitching on your own samples?" In response to Reply # 28
>>that's hip-hop right there > >The sampling is Hip Hop. The secrecy and feeling of ownership >of something you >didn't create is a personality issue. Let's not mix the two.
it's ok but if cat doesn't wanna tell the world how he did it, so be it...enjoy the beat...
plus my whole point is it could be some shit folks have been across several times & he just made it so much his own nobody hears it
27. "Lol @ "entitlement"." In response to Reply # 26
Idgaf what the sample is. I just think it's backwards for him to use someone else's work then act like it belongs to him. I know it's common in Hip Hop. I still think it's wack *shrugs*
35. "it isn't about ownership" In response to Reply # 27
Hip Hop production of this type springs directly from the DJ aspect of the culture. As such one of the main rules of etiquette was that as a DJ, you never ask another DJ what he or she is playing. It was up to you to go and find the record yourself, as set lists were largely unique to each DJ and their blending style.
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23. "That's a Hoagy Carmichael record, but it's a song he recorded a million ..." In response to Reply # 13
The main dispute is which version he used
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31. "RE: Made a thread asking that question a couple years back" In response to Reply # 16 Sat Oct-18-14 03:51 PM by eclassic
RE: Apparently Dilla cracked heads with "It's Like That" >I'm not sure if anyone knows where it came from though... I'm >very curious to hear what he made it out of.
temptations - poppa was a rolling stone.
slowed bass line and guitar chops.
you're welcome. LOL.
EDIT: i figured that one out by doing my usual sampling routine...listening to records slowed all the way down.
good technique to use when a song is too busy, so you can chop in between the percussions.
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