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hangin_with_mr_bammer
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"Poll question: 1+ year later: was yeezus a misstep?"


          

Poll result (43 votes)
absolutely not. (30 votes)Vote
yeah, no question now that it was. (13 votes)Vote

  

  

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I think the correct poll would be "Yeezus vs. 808s and Heartbreak"
Oct 10th 2014
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you have my blessing to make that post.
Oct 10th 2014
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my 2 cents...
Oct 10th 2014
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RE: my 2 cents...
Oct 10th 2014
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thanks for clicking and reading.
Oct 10th 2014
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not to mention...
Oct 10th 2014
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its hard to really know if it was a missstep
Oct 10th 2014
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It's not hard to know at all.
Oct 10th 2014
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thats because Yeezus's was itself adopted
Oct 10th 2014
9
that was not the usual sound from ed banger or daft punk.
Oct 10th 2014
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      I aint talking about Ed Banger, im talking about Bromance
Oct 11th 2014
25
All the covers of its songs by 'white' people don't count?
Oct 10th 2014
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I caught some Yeezus vibes on parts of "Because The Internet"
Oct 12th 2014
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How are 2 top 5 singles not real hits?
Oct 14th 2014
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RE: 1+ year later: was yeezus a misstep?
Oct 10th 2014
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RE: 1+ year later: was yeezus a misstep?
Oct 10th 2014
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      RE: 1+ year later: was yeezus a misstep?
Oct 10th 2014
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haven't played it in a year, does that answer the question
Oct 10th 2014
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no, because it sealed his critics darling rep. His Nebraska
Oct 10th 2014
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it was the right step
Oct 10th 2014
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agreed
Oct 11th 2014
28
album sucks, people pretend to like it because it's weird
Oct 10th 2014
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it's not weird at all.
Oct 10th 2014
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It's Jesse Pinkman season 4 meth party music
Oct 10th 2014
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jesus, that's an asinine argument.
Oct 13th 2014
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      That's one of my biggest pet peeves on this board.
Oct 13th 2014
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idk but a year later i still don't like it.
Oct 10th 2014
20
not sure no one adopted the sound is true...
Oct 10th 2014
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Its a piece of shit
Oct 10th 2014
23
Blood on the Leaves is the only track worth revisiting
Oct 10th 2014
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it's an awesome gym album. not many other occasions i'd listen to it tho
Oct 11th 2014
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No, became my 3rd favorite Kanye album
Oct 11th 2014
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yes, but not musically...because lyrically it feels soulless
Oct 12th 2014
29
Nope, still dig it
Oct 12th 2014
30
The mix sucked. You should have dirty elements not dirt over
Oct 12th 2014
32
interesting take.
Oct 12th 2014
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      RE: interesting take.
Oct 12th 2014
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album is ahead of its time. will make more sense with more time
Oct 12th 2014
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no it isn't and no it won't
Oct 12th 2014
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It's interesting how people can't separate how much they like it
Oct 12th 2014
35
I just know I don't care for it. It's a few cool songs
Oct 13th 2014
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Both albums were terrible.
Oct 13th 2014
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i'm here.
Oct 13th 2014
43
Do you play any of the songs on it now?
Oct 14th 2014
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      Nah. Club wise, I only dropped Blood on the leaves twice
Oct 15th 2014
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NO; it might be one of my favorites
Oct 13th 2014
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Misstep? Maybe not. Wack as all shit? Yep.
Oct 14th 2014
44
Its a horrible POS but not necessarily a misstep
Oct 14th 2014
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He rhymes like Atlas Shrugged reads
Oct 15th 2014
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Explain please.
Oct 15th 2014
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1. "I think the correct poll would be "Yeezus vs. 808s and Heartbreak""
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nm

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3. "you have my blessing to make that post."
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2. "my 2 cents..."
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the reason it's unquestionably a "misstep" at this juncture primarily is because he had nobody else adopt it's "sound".

the popularity of drake's "so far gone" imo was sort of a life-preserver for "808s and earthquakes".

that album WAS a massive misstep coming off the success of "graduation", but drake "adopting" it's sound (and ensuing succession to kanye's mid-00's success) helped kanye weather the storm.

with no real hit singles, lackluster sales and worst of all... no cultural impact... yeezus was undeniably a massive misstep backed by nothing else but unrestrained critical bluster.

  

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4. "RE: my 2 cents..."
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>the reason it's unquestionably a "misstep" at this juncture
>primarily is because he had nobody else adopt it's "sound".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHguy4xHGSg


>no cultural impact... yeezus was undeniably a massive misstep
>backed by nothing else but unrestrained critical bluster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kPQiAJv4fo




  

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5. "thanks for clicking and reading."
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6. "not to mention..."
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drake's worst behavior

childish hambino's last album which has 2-3 yeezus-esque tracks

lewis' black autumn 1993 who's sound is undeniably post-yeezus

tyga's new album which is supposedly exec. produced like kanye and according to some has songs that sound like yeezus throwaways

travis scott's mixtape which sounds like yeezus and gucci mane's trap house 3 thrown into a blender

list goes on...

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7. "its hard to really know if it was a missstep"
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in Kanye's mind. musically it was ambitious for a top shelf star to move move in that direct, but Ye may be perfectly satified with it. we may never really know.

I disagree that less followers = missstep. however, I view it a misfire cuz it sucks. lol. I can't ride with this album. it didn't capture my attention. its just grating minus 2-3 songs and never stops being that way after multiple listens.

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8. "It's not hard to know at all."
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Fri Oct-10-14 01:44 PM by Brew

          

>in Kanye's mind. musically it was ambitious for a top shelf
>star to move move in that direct, but Ye may be perfectly
>satified with it. we may never really know.

In Kanye's mind, he's never ever ever ever made a misstep. In any aspect of existence. Musically. Sexually. Personally. Nothing. He is perfect, in his mind. Everyone knows this.


>I disagree that less followers = missstep. however, I view it
>a misfire cuz it sucks. lol. I can't ride with this album. it
>didn't capture my attention. its just grating minus 2-3 songs
>and never stops being that way after multiple listens.

Yep. Same.

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9. "thats because Yeezus's was itself adopted"
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That aint kanye's sound

Thats the sound of dark French electro. Thats why he made the album in Paris.

  

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12. "that was not the usual sound from ed banger or daft punk."
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Fri Oct-10-14 02:31 PM by hangin_with_mr_bamme

          

n/m

  

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25. "I aint talking about Ed Banger, im talking about Bromance"
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10. "All the covers of its songs by 'white' people don't count?"
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>the popularity of drake's "so far gone" imo was sort of a
>life-preserver for "808s and earthquakes".
>
>that album WAS a massive misstep coming off the success of
>"graduation", but drake "adopting" it's sound (and ensuing
>succession to kanye's mid-00's success) helped kanye weather
>the storm.

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31. "I caught some Yeezus vibes on parts of "Because The Internet""
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Don't listen to enough new music to know if anyone else latched on.

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46. "How are 2 top 5 singles not real hits?"
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Although it wasn't loved by everyone it was on tons of end of year lists and had more than enough radio play. Plus Kid Cudi help validate that sound just as much as Drake did.

  

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11. "RE: 1+ year later: was yeezus a misstep?"
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Nah...

The Yeezus "statement" was made...

It's not just something musically he had a conversation about. Most his interviews weren't even about the record.

Yet the critics still loved it.

808s influenced a generation and sold really well so in no way was that a misstep (It also contains some really amazing pop songwriting from ye, esthero, cudi, mr hudon and others).

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13. "RE: 1+ year later: was yeezus a misstep?"
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>Nah...
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>The Yeezus "statement" was made...
>
>It's not just something musically he had a conversation about.
> Most his interviews weren't even about the record.
>
>Yet the critics still loved it.

well, considering most music critics nowadays are just beta jewish guys in their late 20's-early 30's who got a useless degree and learned 90% of their music expertise from posting on music message boards in the 00's - i wouldn't say that means much.

(unless you think the fact that some corporation sponsoring their opinions inherently raises the value of them...)

anytime anything remotely enjoyable comes out these hyperbolists start re-writing music history around it.

>808s influenced a generation and sold really well so in no way
>was that a misstep (It also contains some really amazing pop
>songwriting from ye, esthero, cudi, mr hudon and others).

lol. don't agree with any of this.

thanks for replying.

  

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14. "RE: 1+ year later: was yeezus a misstep?"
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Agreed.. but have "critics" ever really been OF the culture they critque 100%??

You can certainly hate 808s.. but Drake, Cudi (although he is the genesis), Kendrick and what we can "alt-r&b" today are direct descendants of it..

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15. "haven't played it in a year, does that answer the question"
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16. "no, because it sealed his critics darling rep. His Nebraska"
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Its his Nebraska

  

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17. "it was the right step"
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28. "agreed"
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I think I like it more than I do the two albums (maybe the three albums) preceding it, even if there are moments I really don't dig on the album.

in general, Kanye taking that turn in the context of what else was going on with his peers was a good thing IMO.

(for reference, my favorite Kanye album is Last Registration)

  

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18. "album sucks, people pretend to like it because it's weird"
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On some it's "challenging" and "pushing the boundaries" and "it's creative" and all that BS. It sounds awful, bottom line.

Bound 2 was the only good song.

  

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19. "it's not weird at all."
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i mean unless you think distortion is a curve ball and i guess in contemporary "urban" music - it is.

  

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21. "It's Jesse Pinkman season 4 meth party music"
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It's weird, IMO. Weird ass sounds and screams and shit. Some weird ass lyrics too.

  

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40. "jesus, that's an asinine argument."
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personally, i don't care too much for the record - but asserting that people pretend to like it is just so fucking arrogant.

you can speak for yourself. that's it. that's all.

  

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42. "That's one of my biggest pet peeves on this board."
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There's some people who spend an awful lot of time telling me why I like albums.

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20. "idk but a year later i still don't like it."
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22. "not sure no one adopted the sound is true..."
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because the sound of Yeezus is already a sound.

Ye kinda adopted the sound from a bunch of young guys making music today.

He exec produced this album saying I need a bit of this and a bit of this and edited it all together.

There's an interesting article on the net don't remember who
the producer was but he said Ye would tell 3 or 4 producers
I need X. Those 3 or 4 producers would all go make their version
of what X was in their mind. Ye would then pick the X that he
thought best fit his idea.

It's not necessarily a new concept, I feel like I've read Dre
does something similar - but I don't know if he's done it
to the extent Ye was doing it on Yeezus with 3 or 4 ideas
from 3 or 4 diff producers on one song.
Like drums from Rza, or Tip, dark melody from ARCA or Travis Scott,
flow pattern from Pusha, and other rappers. Samples from producer 1, 2, or 3.

Just a cool way for one of the biggest artists in the world to make music imo.

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23. "Its a piece of shit"
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Literally, I heard it on a road trip and I basically swore off hip hop ever since. I've been a "head" since the 80s and it's just a disgusting piece of shit from artist I expect way more from.

And, releasing your most misogynistic album the week your wife gives birth to a daughter is just fucking gross to me.

  

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24. "Blood on the Leaves is the only track worth revisiting "
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26. "it's an awesome gym album. not many other occasions i'd listen to it tho"
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27. "No, became my 3rd favorite Kanye album "
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The soundtrack to two separate Vegas weekends....

Stayed in rotation for a good long time.


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29. "yes, but not musically...because lyrically it feels soulless"
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i don't know. i do like the production, and I guess maybe the lyrics 'fit' it, in some way or another, but i don't like it. somethings missing. maybe the combination of the kanye humor and ego is something that just works better with soul samples and more typical kanye production than yeezus. the album SOUNDS, musically, so maniacal and almost full of rage, yet the lyrics are mostly empty/immature/ridiculous. he almost had something great with "new slaves" but sorta ruins it with the stupid "bust in her hampton mouth" lines at the end. i'm still waiting for whatever he does next because i expect it'll be a 180 from yeezus.

  

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30. "Nope, still dig it"
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The first half more than the second

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32. "The mix sucked. You should have dirty elements not dirt over"
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the whole thing. The distortion sounded like an afterthought and was placed over the whole mix, leaving the drums shitty and non knocking. In contrast, other experimental producers know how to make things dirty but over individual elements. This was shit...100%.

  

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33. "interesting take."
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remember the drums on this?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfsqzqSNP6k

"Dirty™"
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36. "RE: interesting take."
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Yeah, the drums pretty much sucked on that Common joint. And very typical of the whole Yeezus experience.

  

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34. "album is ahead of its time. will make more sense with more time"
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37. "no it isn't and no it won't"
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35. "It's interesting how people can't separate how much they like it"
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From how good or bad the album is
Plenty or horribly put together records that I love, but I'd never say weren't bad or attempt to point to critic opinions to defend it

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38. "I just know I don't care for it. It's a few cool songs"
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but I haven't had any kind of desire to hear the whole album again since the first week it came out. I played it a few times, to see if it would grow on me in any way, and it didn't.

It was literally one of those albums I played, and after 2-3 songs said "wait....is this just the bullshit bootleg leak they put out to fool us?" I actually did the same when I first heard Magna Carta, during track one, when it was just JT singing...then Jay finally came in.

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39. "Both albums were terrible."
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Both artists have lost touch. It's sad.

I had similar experiences with both. Didn't ever truly consider they were bootlegs but as I listened to both Yeezus and Magna Carta I had the same "WTF" thoughts. I didn't like My Beautiful Dark... all that much but I wasn't cringing as I listened to it.

Kanye's raps were never very good but at this point he's rapping like a 16 year old. Just blatant misogyny and immaturity. But in the past at least the beats outshone the lyrics. Now both suck. And Jay is just a caricature of himself. Trying so hard to be this yuppie clown. Who can possibly relate to him anymore.

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43. "i'm here."
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45. "Do you play any of the songs on it now?"
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Send it Up/Black Skinhead/etc..?

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48. "Nah. Club wise, I only dropped Blood on the leaves twice"
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41. "NO; it might be one of my favorites"
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shit was anti- everything else in his catalogue. and that means it stuck out, in good, refreshing way.

it's not filled with skits or have songs with different epic movements like CD, LR, or MBDTF.

though it's tight in terms of song length and album length, it's defintely not aiming to please in a pop sense like GRADUATION. or even 808s.

and i really dig the minimalist electro arrangements, esp on songs like "send it up" and "on sight."

i said this before, but i didn't really GET get YEEZUS until i went to a show (cold cave) and the pre-show dj's spun pretty much the entire album between the three of them. shit just knocked HARD, and the hooks (that weren't neccessarily choruses) stayed with you when it was played loud.

regretting that i didn't catch the yeezus tour when it came through the bay.


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44. "Misstep? Maybe not. Wack as all shit? Yep."
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47. "Its a horrible POS but not necessarily a misstep"
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It was generally well received for some reason and imo Ye is trying to rise above typical hip hop albums by doing something extremely esoteric and different. It works for Kanye so he only loses points with the hardcore hip hop heads.

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49. "He rhymes like Atlas Shrugged reads"
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50. "Explain please."
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