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Nick Has a Problem...Seriously
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"The 2015 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees are... (link)"
Thu Oct-09-14 09:30 AM by Nick Has a Problem..

  

          

The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Chic
Green Day
Joan Jett & the Blackhearts
Kraftwerk
The Marvellettes
N.W.A.
Nine Inch Nails
Lou Reed
The Smiths
The Spinners
Sting
Stevie Ray Vaughan
War
Bill Withers

http://rockhall.com/voting/2015-rock-hall-nominees-fan-vote/

Fan voting results right now

01. Green Day 12.92%
02. Nine Inch Nails 12.23%
03. Stevie Ray Vaughan 12.06%
04. Lou Reed 9.54%
05. Joan Jett & the Blackhearts 8.72%
06. The Smiths 8.43%
07. Bill Withers 6.68%
08. Sting 6.56%
09. The Spinners 5.06%
10. War 4.37%
11. N.W.A 3.79%
12. Kraftwerk 3.31%
13. The Marvelettes 2.98%
14. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band 1.79%
15. Chic 1.55%

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Falcons, Braves, Bulldogs and Hawks

Geto Boys, Poison Clan, UGK, Eightball & MJG, OutKast, Goodie Mob

  

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those Chic numbers are PAINFUL
Oct 09th 2014
1
RE: those Chic numbers are PAINFUL
Oct 09th 2014
2
so are the Green Day ones
Oct 09th 2014
4
      LOL
Oct 09th 2014
5
      shit haha
Oct 09th 2014
12
      green day deserves induction based off the dookie album alone. nm
Oct 09th 2014
16
           sales, influence, longevity
Oct 13th 2014
19
Solution: fans should not vote.
Oct 09th 2014
3
Butterfield can't get no love smh
Oct 09th 2014
6
I love East-West but the Butterfield BB should not be in the RRHOF
Oct 09th 2014
9
      They have 4 dope albums IMO
Oct 09th 2014
10
      sure, but it's the Hall of FAME
Oct 13th 2014
20
      Agreed
Oct 09th 2014
14
GREEN DAY??
Oct 09th 2014
7
I know right smh
Oct 09th 2014
11
Voted for:
Oct 09th 2014
8
Fuck the ''fans''!!!
Oct 09th 2014
13
Joan Jett's probably getting nominated b/c Nirvana said she should
Oct 13th 2014
22
So Janet isn't even eligible?
Oct 09th 2014
15
,,,,,,,,
Oct 09th 2014
17
we tried.
Oct 13th 2014
29
      SMH...are people still tripping over the SB incident?
Oct 16th 2014
72
RE: The 2015 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees are... (link)
Oct 12th 2014
18
Y'know who's missing as obviously as anyone is Weird Al
Oct 13th 2014
21
Not getting all the Green Day hate....
Oct 13th 2014
23
i don't see ppl's beef with them.
Oct 13th 2014
24
PFFFT...
Oct 13th 2014
25
RE: PFFFT...
Oct 13th 2014
26
      First of all...
Oct 13th 2014
27
           RE: First of all...
Oct 13th 2014
32
                I gotta side with Jacob here.....
Oct 14th 2014
37
                     RE: I gotta side with Jacob here.....
Oct 14th 2014
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                     RE: I gotta side with Jacob here.....
Oct 16th 2014
73
i'm surprised they're that old.
Oct 13th 2014
28
gimme all your gripes here & i will answer
Oct 13th 2014
30
RE: gimme all your gripes here & i will answer
Oct 13th 2014
31
there are 2 rounds
Oct 14th 2014
34
      If I understand correctly....
Oct 14th 2014
36
      Thanks for this rundown, I actually had no idea
Oct 14th 2014
42
how is war not #1.
Oct 13th 2014
33
I was thinking the same thing
Oct 15th 2014
58
How much does the online voting factor in to who's inducted?
Oct 14th 2014
35
RE: How much does the online voting factor in to who's inducted?
Oct 14th 2014
40
The Spinners got more hits than anyone on that list...
Oct 14th 2014
38
RE: The Spinners got more hits than anyone on that list...
Oct 14th 2014
41
does it bug you that the HOF is trending toward
Oct 14th 2014
43
See, I feel the opposite.
Oct 14th 2014
46
      or it's a chance to induct a bunch of folks that the fogies in charge
Oct 15th 2014
54
           Well, it's no more weird.....
Oct 15th 2014
56
When do you think Hip Hop will get more respect at the hall?
Oct 14th 2014
44
All of those acts you mentioned are probably first-ballot....
Oct 20th 2014
93
Gram Parsons
Oct 14th 2014
45
      Nate, you gotta be with me on Weird Al, too
Oct 14th 2014
47
           You really think ''fame'' is that important?
Oct 14th 2014
48
           lmao at fame not being important for the Hall of Fame
Oct 15th 2014
49
                But this distinction is what I don't get:
Oct 15th 2014
50
                     disclaimer: I dislike the whole idea of a 'Hall of Fame'
Oct 15th 2014
52
                          This is what irks me about Green Day
Oct 15th 2014
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                               you know the Monkees have never even been nominated?*
Oct 17th 2014
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                                    Not Huey Lewis & the news either
Oct 17th 2014
76
                                    not the Bay City Rollers
Oct 17th 2014
89
                                         Well, I obviously prefer the Monkees too...
Oct 17th 2014
91
                                    Dude. Don't get me started.
Oct 17th 2014
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                                         The #1 argument is "Jann Wenner doesn't like them."
Oct 17th 2014
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                                              This is true.
Oct 19th 2014
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           Oh my god, absolutely.
Oct 15th 2014
53
stop trying to make Chic happen. it's not going to happen.
Oct 15th 2014
51
RE: stop trying to make Chic happen. it's not going to happen.
Oct 15th 2014
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Chic's influence is routinely overstated. especially here.
Oct 15th 2014
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the list of groups/artists is pretty long
Oct 15th 2014
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      see #61
Oct 15th 2014
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           Nile Rodgers production accomplishments are overblown???
Oct 15th 2014
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                Yah.
Oct 16th 2014
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                     oh i know his credits.
Oct 16th 2014
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                          I would question whether or not both Madonna and Duran Duran
Oct 16th 2014
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                          Lets talk about Madge, the Durans and Nile.
Oct 16th 2014
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                               I stand by the opinion that Madonna would not be
Oct 17th 2014
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                                    RE: I stand by the opinion that Madonna would not be
Oct 17th 2014
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                                    and good for you and those acts.
Oct 17th 2014
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                                         The Spinners not making it would be the tragedy....lol
Oct 17th 2014
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                                              uh huh
Oct 17th 2014
85
                          haha.
Oct 17th 2014
78
Murph's picks....(from this year's nominations)
Oct 15th 2014
59
Chic...disco's official band????
Oct 15th 2014
62
      RE: Chic...disco's official band????
Oct 16th 2014
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           no.
Oct 16th 2014
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                RE: no.
Oct 17th 2014
80
                     k.
Oct 17th 2014
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                          RE: k.
Oct 17th 2014
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                               Idc
Oct 17th 2014
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                               And when you say 'more' big hits......
Oct 17th 2014
88
btw my guesses as to who goes in this year.
Oct 15th 2014
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i been voting for bill every day
Oct 16th 2014
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bill withers is #4
Oct 21st 2014
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RE: bill withers is #4
Oct 22nd 2014
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      Dang
Oct 22nd 2014
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i listened to some Chic last night.
Oct 22nd 2014
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Bill's in!!!!! (Full List/SWIPE)
Dec 16th 2014
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Goddamn it 15, please take charge of the tribute performance if he don't...
Dec 16th 2014
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Shit, this was an upset across the board outside of Lou Reed
Dec 16th 2014
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You can if you don't see that shaping as positive. lol
Dec 16th 2014
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      Oh, it sucked. Its why I am confused at Kraftwerk getting dissed
Dec 16th 2014
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           I think Kraftwerk is seeing the same rock elitism that hip hop does
Dec 16th 2014
103
I'm sorry but...there are a lot of people I would put in before
Dec 16th 2014
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      Right?? It makes no sense.
Dec 16th 2014
105

CherNic
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1. "those Chic numbers are PAINFUL"
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Nick Has a Problem...Seriously
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2. "RE: those Chic numbers are PAINFUL"
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Yeah, it hurts. I voted for them too.

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4. "so are the Green Day ones"
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5. "LOL"
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12. "shit haha"
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16. "green day deserves induction based off the dookie album alone. nm"
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does it really matter?

for all my fans who keep my name in their mouth: http://i.imgur.com/v2xNOpS.jpg

  

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19. "sales, influence, longevity"
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The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is not the Rock and Roll Hall of Good Taste

plus if you've paid a modicum of attention the Academy has clearly been grooming Green Day over the past several years - having them present, play along with people, etc.

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3. "Solution: fans should not vote."
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6. "Butterfield can't get no love smh "
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9. "I love East-West but the Butterfield BB should not be in the RRHOF"
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Soundcloud ---> http://soundcloud.com/greenwood-burns

my own stuff -->http://soundcloud.com/lonesomedstringband

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10. "They have 4 dope albums IMO"
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East-West obviously being the best (the title track being one of the best psych songs I've ever heard). They definitely deserve it in my opinion.

here I would vote for Bill Withers or The Smiths personally, but I can't believe how low they are lol

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20. "sure, but it's the Hall of FAME"
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ask the average rock fan - even the average classic rock fan - and you'll get very few who've even heard of the Butterfield Blues Band.

>East-West obviously being the best (the title track being one
>of the best psych songs I've ever heard). They definitely
>deserve it in my opinion.

The biggest HOF-worthy-type-thing for BBB was bringing Mike Bloomfield into prominence... No BBB, no Newport '65, arguably no rock as we know it.

Other than that... nah.

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14. "Agreed"
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I like that record too but it kind of feels like they are scraping the bottom of the barrell for 60's rock when they are nominating old white blooze acts. I mean, who's next? Canned Heat? Ten Years After?? Savoy Brown???

I mean, *I* dig all those acts to various extents but it is not HOF-worthy material IMO. Personally, I'd find it cool if they in terms of 60's rock would instead look towards the likes of the Sonics or 13th Floor Elevators; acts who have actually been reasonably influential on future rock-bands and did some GREAT music. The white blooze thing is kind of exhausted IMO; not much left there to put in...

  

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7. "GREEN DAY??"
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LOL

fuck you.

  

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11. "I know right smh"
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8. "Voted for:"
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Chic
Kraftwerk
N.W.A.
Nine Inch Nails
War

Hard to leave Bill Withers and The Marvelletes off.

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13. "Fuck the ''fans''!!!"
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Green Day??? Are the voters retards or what? And NIN wouldn't even exist without Kraftwerk...

Also surprised to see Joan Jett&the Blackhearts in the top 5, are the Runaways even in yet (not saying they should be in even if I dig them)? She's cool but not someone that even remotely qualifies as a "major artist", I'd put Suzy Quatro in before her if they have to put a female rocker in there, not just on the strength of her solo-career but also because of her work with the criminally overlooked the Pleasure seekers in the 60's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9WPr88WZOU <-that's the Go-go's sound in the 60's and dope as fuck!).

On a positive note, happy to see Sting so low... But Chic??? *SMH*

Anyway, my 5 subjective picks:

1.Kraftwerk
2.Chic
3.Bill Withers
4.Lou Reed (should be higher maybe but VU are already in and that's his best stuff)
5.NWA

My "objective" picks would look similar even if the order might have been different. Also, while I don't like them much at all, the Smiths deserves to get in with time but there are more obvious "objective" picks this year IMO...

  

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22. "Joan Jett's probably getting nominated b/c Nirvana said she should"
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last year when introducing her guest spot.

>Green Day??? Are the voters retards or what?

As I said above, it's not the R&R Hall of Good Taste.
Green Day's got the goods for sure, despite the fact that I don't like them at all.
Two summers ago the kids at my kids' summer camp were singing 'Time of My Life' at the camp show. THAT is RRHOF stuff, a 20 year old song being brought out for family-Friendly stuff like that.
Think of it from the perspective of people who hate KISS, and you argued (correctly) that they should be admitted.


>And NIN wouldn't
>even exist without Kraftwerk...

NIN's sort of escaped me. I've known they were big, but not THAT big.

>Also surprised to see Joan Jett&the Blackhearts in the top 5,

I believe Novoselic said something to the effect of 'it's a travesty she's NOT in already...'

interestingly, my thoughts about Weird Al came from thinking about Joan Jett, who really wasn't that big beyond I Love Rock & Roll, which led me to thinking I Love ROcky Road, and my kids have been playing 'Polkas on 45' over & over again recently even though they don't know most of the songs it's parodying, and then we all listened to My Bologna, and Yoda, etc. etc.

>On a positive note, happy to see Sting so low...

I also dislike the idea of putting a solo-artist in on his own when his band's already in (or vice-versa)

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rorschach
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15. "So Janet isn't even eligible?"
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Thu Oct-09-14 05:59 PM by rorschach

  

          

Didn't she come out more than 25 years ago?

And both Green Day and Nine Inch Nails can wait. They're both getting in eventually so I'm not voting for them.

I'm definitely voting for NWA, Bill Withers, SRV, Lou Reed and Kraftwerk.

  

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17. ",,,,,,,,"
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Thu Oct-09-14 10:06 PM by rdhull

  

          

doubtful

  

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29. "we tried. "
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she's 16th

NO! LIST
Tom Petty
M J
Zeppelin
Springsteen
Neil Young
Eagles
Ray Charles
Madonna
Chuck Berry
South Park TV Songs
Justin Timberlake
"Food Glorious Food"
"Twilight Zone" theme
"A Boy Named Sue"
"Night Moves"
"The Situation"
"Superbowl Shuffle"

  

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72. "SMH...are people still tripping over the SB incident?"
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She was every bit as iconic as Madonna in the 80s and 90s and matched Madonna, Whitney, and Mariah.

Shit...wasn't Rhythm Nation THE album of 89?

  

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18. "RE: The 2015 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees are... (link)"
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Had to check to see if Nile Rodgers is already in the RRHOF on his own.

Nope.

So Chic is number 1 priority imo.

Then I gotta go with Kraftwerk, SRV, Bill Withers and The Smiths.

NIN and NWA have lots of time to get in....Lou Reed is already in with VU.

  

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21. "Y'know who's missing as obviously as anyone is Weird Al"
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I mean, I'm more or less opposed to the idea of a Hall of Fame anyhow, but assuming I *were* on board with it, Weird Al's kind of a no-brainer for me.

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23. "Not getting all the Green Day hate...."
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Do they deserve to get in before the likes of Kraftwerk, Chic, and Deep Purple? NOPE...

But they should get in....

To me a band like Green Day brings out the worst out of us music snobs...lol...There was a time when they were actually cool and critically acclaimed....But their popularity and mainstream acceptance .makes them uncool...

At least they got two genre shifting albums that literally changed music for better or for worst (if u believe that...)...better than Kiss getting in off a dope live album and fan pressure...



GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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24. "i don't see ppl's beef with them. "
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then again, I love pop more than i love life.
so...

  

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25. "PFFFT..."
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>
>At least they got two genre shifting albums that literally
>changed music for better or for worst (if u believe
>that...)...better than Kiss getting in off a dope live album
>and fan pressure...

Kiss was actually a historically and musically significant band that helped usher in a new aesthetic in heavy rock that was radically different from the Zeppelin/Sabbath/"power-trio"/blooze that ruled in the era. A more "credible" band like Van Halen pretty much walked through the door Kiss had opened and do I even need to mention all the 80's butt-rock acts?

Green Day meanwhile is/was pure punk-retro (about as innovative as Black Crowes or Lenny Kravitz and neither of those acts sound as watered down) who benefitted from the then new appreciation of punk-aesthetics that Nirvana made cool in the mainstream.

And unless you count Blink 182 or Sum 41 or Fallout boy or Good Charlotte or whoever as significant acts, they didn't really change shit at all.
>
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>
>To me a band like Green Day brings out the worst out of us
>music snobs...lol...There was a time when they were actually
>cool and critically acclaimed....But their popularity and
>mainstream acceptance .makes them uncool...

Not really, their early indie stuff was pretty much only noted by punk-fanzines and they were very controversial there as well with many thinking they sounded weak and too "pop". I remember that Ben Weasel wrote a long diatribe in Maximum rock'n'roll where he said that he's not mad at them signing a major because people in the "scene" had already dismissed them as sell-outs and too pop long before the mainstream break...

As for "Dookie" being "cool" or "critically acclaimed", I don't really remember that. It sold well obviously and got solid reviews but it was not a "cool" record and not some major critical success either...

  

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26. "RE: PFFFT..."
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I respect Kiss as a live act...but album wise there is a reason why their most important work is a live record...

We can go on the revisionist history kick if we want to...But ALIVE is the reason why they survived as a band and became the biggest live band of their era...I got those first two ALIVE albums...And the first three studio albums...And its obvious their magic was fueled entirely by their stage show...

If people want to say Green Day is overrated I will agree with that. But I rank Dookie as one of the better pop punk albums and a record that goes beyond its genre...Everyone loved that band when they were underdogs...once they became establishment it became the in thing to do to hate on them...lol...And if u have a Nexis Lexus account check out the music press' reaction to Dookie...That was viewed as a HUGE moment for the alternative music scene...


Green Day gets that silly hate at times...



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27. "First of all..."
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...having Alive and Kiss first three albums is kind of redundant since Alive is strictly based on those; the debut in particular appear almost in its entirety on Alive and since Alive has better sound, more confident performances etc., I almost never feel the need to listen to the debut (or Dressed to kill for that matter). Hotter than Hell however has some cool sludgy and heavy tunes that did not end up on Alive but it's not enough to really save the album as an entity in itself outside of Alive.

HOWEVER, while I agree that "Alive" is Kiss best album, they reached their peak as a studio-act with the next three albums "Destroyer", "Rock'n'roll over" and "Love gun". While "Alive II" contains five songs each from those albums and some largely mediocre new studio songs, it actually sounds worse than the studio-records and at least "Destroyer" contains lots of overdubs and stuff they couldn't pull off live so you are kind of missing out by just sticking to "Alive II"; those albums are strong enough in their own right IMO, "Destroyer" is even ambitious and diverse (yup!) and the other two just rocks.

And I don't agree that it was just their live-shows that mattered; the sappy ballad "Beth" was actually a big hit that I personally think might as well have been done by Barry Manilow but it took them next level popularity-wise (IMO, their best ballad is instead "Hard luck woman" which is a genuinely gorgeous and classy tune with a great "Rod Stewart-Ripoff" vocal by Criss: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12UsKSc_9pQ ). Also, you need to add comic books, lunchboxes and the way they targeted kids that were too young to experience the band live but still dug the image-that aspect can not be overlooked...

As for Green Day, I obviously remember that the record got a lot of attention because of the hits and how they were bringing old-school punk back and blah-blah. Still, I don't know any real punkrockers who dug that shit-it was for the teenybopper/pop-set; you can not compare with, say, Nirvana who actually had some cred.

And many reviews one will find on the internet are revisionist and not written at the time. I know it got good reviews in some circles but it was not one of the more acclaimed rock-albums at the time and *definitely* not cool; they might have been cooler than the post-grunge dreck of all those Silverchair/creed/Bush/Candlebox type acts but that's not much of a feat...

  

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32. "RE: First of all..."
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I actually respect KISS hustle...they said damn the critics and did their thing...But I mentioned those albums to say that there is a reason that most folks dismiss their studio work...

The studio versions of their records seemed lifeless and ordinary...Their
have been countless bands whose studio output ranks with their live gigs...Led Zep...Deep Purple...P Funk...Prince and his bands...The Clash...EWF...There is no couching when it comes to talking about their studio work...With KISS there is always that BUT...

That said KISS deserve their spot because of the huge impact they had as a live act...

As for that critical love that Green Day got with Dookie thats not on some better with time shit. Damn near every music outlet from underground mags to mainstream pubs were hailing that album...Remember...Green Day at that time were outsiders...the success of that album was a complete shock. IF anything the hate they started to get came after the U2 like acclaim they got after American Idiot...they then became uncool...

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37. "I gotta side with Jacob here....."
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You're overstating Green Day's rep in the punk/alternative scene when they emerged. They weren't hip at all and it was pretty popular for the idealogical punk gate-keepers to bash them from day one. For what it's worth...I think they're pretty good at what they do. And I'm saying that as someone who doesn't usually enjoy what they do. But nah...they were always seen as a 'crossover' act....the type that snobs loved to bash.

  

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39. "RE: I gotta side with Jacob here....."
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I never said Green Day were punk pillars...I said that Dookie was a critically acclaimed album and that it opened up the floodgates for everyone and their mama doing that pop punk shit...Just because they unleashed bands like Blink 182 doesnt mean they should be beat up on...lol

I will stand by my post...the hate Green Day gets can be traced to the massive success of American Idiot. But they def deserve to get in...

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73. "RE: I gotta side with Jacob here....."
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>You're overstating Green Day's rep in the punk/alternative
>scene when they emerged. They weren't hip at all and it was
>pretty popular for the idealogical punk gate-keepers to bash
>them from day one. For what it's worth...I think they're
>pretty good at what they do. And I'm saying that as someone
>who doesn't usually enjoy what they do. But nah...they were
>always seen as a 'crossover' act....the type that snobs loved
>to bash.
I'm from the Bay and Green Day steadily blew up from Gilman Street till the time they got signed and beyond. They were HUGE around here at the time…people could kinda feel that they were going to go way beyond the punk scene, for better or for worse.

  

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28. "i'm surprised they're that old."
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let 'em in. i don't care about that. but it's that time already?

damn.

fuck you.

  

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30. "gimme all your gripes here & i will answer"
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NO! LIST
Tom Petty
M J
Zeppelin
Springsteen
Neil Young
Eagles
Ray Charles
Madonna
Chuck Berry
South Park TV Songs
Justin Timberlake
"Food Glorious Food"
"Twilight Zone" theme
"A Boy Named Sue"
"Night Moves"
"The Situation"
"Superbowl Shuffle"

  

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31. "RE: gimme all your gripes here & i will answer"
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Not that I'm really invested....but is there a reason why Nile Rodgers isn't in on his own? Or why Chic isn't in yet? I find both of those omissions surprising. Record sales, influence, in Rodger's personal case...diversity of work.....seems like both would be a lock 20 years back.

  

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34. "there are 2 rounds"
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round one is the easiest:


40 of us in a room.

we get the floor for 3 mins to pour our hearts out

some impassioned speeches force us to reconsider our votes.

others not so much.

the problem is once we beg for you to consider our 3 and there is a tally, then step two is we choose the 10 favs from that long ass list.

now once THAT is compiled

we go to the final round

which is the voting members (4000+ members) decide their favorite 6.

now that is the problem here.

majority of these members are ---well lets just say cats that do NOT look like me.

which you can note that ALL my choices are on he bottom.

NO! LIST
Tom Petty
M J
Zeppelin
Springsteen
Neil Young
Eagles
Ray Charles
Madonna
Chuck Berry
South Park TV Songs
Justin Timberlake
"Food Glorious Food"
"Twilight Zone" theme
"A Boy Named Sue"
"Night Moves"
"The Situation"
"Superbowl Shuffle"

  

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36. "If I understand correctly...."
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You're saying that first phase of 40 people tend to be more balanced in their appreciation than the general membership I guess?

Seems to me that the disco stigma and the racial side are connected. The hall has a huge black membership....but then again, the anti-disco sentiments usually have a racial context. So perhaps a weird situation where race plays more of a role depending on the music style. One does wonder why Blondie's there in the absence of Chic though. And then adding Rodger's production/songwriting discography.....it's a head-scratcher.

  

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42. "Thanks for this rundown, I actually had no idea"
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I'd love to know who makes up the rest of the 40!

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33. "how is war not #1."
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Rjcc is code for "bitch-ass troll"

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58. "I was thinking the same thing"
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35. "How much does the online voting factor in to who's inducted?"
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40. "RE: How much does the online voting factor in to who's inducted?"
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Just one vote out of 600 ballots...not that much of an impact...But on that rare occasion it can make the media beat drums for certain acts like say Rush...

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38. "The Spinners got more hits than anyone on that list..."
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Lou Reed and Sting are in as part of groups..groups that were both more impactful than their solo careers..

If they want to throw shade on the Spinners becuz they were mostly on the R&B/Soul charts .... well there are a lot of "rock/pop" groups who get love from the hall of fame that didn't do much or do anything on any charts...

if the Dells are in...the Spinners should be in..

  

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41. "RE: The Spinners got more hits than anyone on that list..."
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>Lou Reed and Sting are in as part of groups..groups that were
>both more impactful than their solo careers..
>
>If they want to throw shade on the Spinners becuz they were
>mostly on the R&B/Soul charts .... well there are a lot of
>"rock/pop" groups who get love from the hall of fame that
>didn't do much or do anything on any charts...
>
>if the Dells are in...the Spinners should be in..

I agree...yep yep

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43. "does it bug you that the HOF is trending toward"
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the inclusion of acts who've been eligible forever, and may have once been incredibly popular, and who might even be awesome, but there isn't really any reason to induct them now?

Examples: Cat Stevens; Donovan; the Hollies; the Faces; Linda Ronstadt (okay, she's sick, I guess that's a reason to do it now); Laura Nyro (Bette's induction speech was awesome, but still, Laura Nyro was never a big star); Heart... and the same can certainly be said for Joan Jett this year.


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46. "See, I feel the opposite."
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I feel like a lot of these people who are coming up on eligibility are really lacking and that now is the time to go back and course correct some of those over looked acts that deserve to be in (Hall & Oates as my point of reference). A lot of the newly eligible in the next few years are gonna be garbage. I mean, on the "rock" side of things at least.

To me it seems that too much of it is focused on the television viewership of the inductions anymore than it does who deserves to be in there. But then again, it was always politics, it's just the paradigm behind who and why has shifted.

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54. "or it's a chance to induct a bunch of folks that the fogies in charge"
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loved in their youth

Jakob's right in that it's odd that they're still inducting acts from the '60s alongside acts from the '90s. That mid-70s to late-80s period is not a time frame I'm a big fan of in general but to just skip it completely in favor of inducting acts that have been eligible since the *1980s* but were never deemed worthy of induction previously is kinda ridiculous.

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56. "Well, it's no more weird....."
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>Jakob's right in that it's odd that they're still inducting
>acts from the '60s alongside acts from the '90s.

...than when they were inducting 50s acts a few years ago. It's gonna happen because with the limit to who gets in each year, ya gotta go back and pick up the people you missed.

>That mid-70s
>to late-80s period is not a time frame I'm a big fan of in
>general but to just skip it completely in favor of inducting
>acts that have been eligible since the *1980s* but were never
>deemed worthy of induction previously is kinda ridiculous.

This I completely agree with.

It's funny, I'm like you... I'm not really a fan of the HoF, yet for some reason I always find myself engaged in the discussion every year when the noms come up.

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44. "When do you think Hip Hop will get more respect at the hall? "
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There are alot of heavyweights in the game that are eligible in a few years...(Outkast, The Roots, Wu Tang, Jay-Z, Nas, etc.)

It's funny because out of all those guys up there mentioned...i think you guys have the best shot of getting in before the others...

  

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93. "All of those acts you mentioned are probably first-ballot...."
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And I don't think that the RRHoF is overlooking Hip Hop because a lot of the icons really aren't elligble yet. Out of the ones that are, some of them might be tripped up because of record sales and overall relevance. Acts like Run DMC, Public Enemy, and the Beastie Boys can't be denied. The same thing goes for future inductees (Outkast, Wutang, Jay-Z, etc.)

But other classic rap acts like MC Lyte or Eric B. and Rakim? I could see the RRHoF making them wait. And I believe the current relevancy of The Roots is what'll get them in when they're eligible.
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45. "Gram Parsons"
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Still blows my mind. Also, how did the Replacements not get in the nominations this year after they made it last year!?

Oh, and Uncle Tupelo, but that's more just a personal HoF choice.

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47. "Nate, you gotta be with me on Weird Al, too"
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problem with Uncle Tupelo is they were never FAMOUS.. they've got influence on lock, but they never had the sales & popularity that you'd really need.

I mean, when they broke up they were still playing TLA-sized gigs.

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48. "You really think ''fame'' is that important?"
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Stooges and Velvet Underground are both in, neither were ever close to famous during their original existance and to me, they both feel like no-brainers to put in a institution called "rock'n'roll hall of fame".

Of course, I don't think that whole neo-americana/no depression thing really took off in a manner that the stuff inspired by Stooges and Velvets did (note though that most of that stuff has been underground too) but if it did, Uncle Tupelo would have felt like a good pick.


As I said in earlier posts, I really don't think initial popularity is particularly relevant because that is fleeting and outside of a few acts, younger people doesn't really listen to old music outside of a few acts (it's more about individual songs really); beyond that, the cult-acts ae frequently just as big if not bigger than the stars of the day.

What the (former) stars have is the nostalgia-aspect but I don't think that's really what *ideally* should be considered a factor...

  

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49. "lmao at fame not being important for the Hall of Fame"
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that saiid I agree that initial fame is not as important as lasting fame; and I do think it's more important than influence, especially belated influence. It's a little different for the business end (Oldham, Epstein, Adler et al), pioneers (I'm not going to complain about the not-very-well-known-today Hank Ballard & the Midnighters being in there, for example - That said, it's still just plain bizarre that Chubby Checker isn't in the Hall of Fame) but for rock stars there should be some standard, I think.

I mean, are people lobbying for Nick Drake to be inducted? He really shouldn't be, yet there are very few musicians who've had more influence on more musicians in the past 15 years. I could make a similar argument for Fairport Convention, really, who've had a huge and more or less continuous influence since the late '60s... but they are not and never have been FAMOUS. Richard Thompson on his own or with Linda is another choice who qualifies by every single conceivable metric except FAME.

>Stooges and Velvet Underground are both in, neither were ever
>close to famous during their original existance and to me,
>they both feel like no-brainers to put in a institution called
>"rock'n'roll hall of fame".

See, a litmus test for me is if by and large, people who aren't music geeks are familiar with the name and can name at least a few songs. VU would actually probably qualify, but certainly not the Stooges. Uncle Tupelo wouldn't either, for that matter; I wouldn't actually be at all surprised if Wilco gets in but UT doesn't.

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50. "But this distinction is what I don't get:"
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>It's a little
>different for the business end (Oldham, Epstein, Adler et al),
>pioneers (I'm not going to complain about the
>not-very-well-known-today Hank Ballard & the Midnighters being
>in there, for example - That said, it's still just plain
>bizarre that Chubby Checker isn't in the Hall of Fame) but for
>rock stars there should be some standard, I think.

Those pioneers-regardless of how obscure they might be today-played a role of shaping the sound of rock and other genres in the 60's. Likewise, everyone from Can to Wire to Kraftwerk to Husker Du has played a role in shaping the sound of rock in the past 30 years. What's the difference? Should institutions like this be nothing but nostalgia for babyboomers and "classic-rock" fans?


>
>I mean, are people lobbying for Nick Drake to be inducted? He
>really shouldn't be, yet there are very few musicians who've
>had more influence on more musicians in the past 15 years.

I suspect he will be nominated in the future but there is a lot of other stuff too of course that they might feel more relevant to put in. Anyway, the acts people actually seems to have been lobbying for over the years seems to have been the big ones (=Dave Clark 5 and Kiss in the past, Deep Purple, Grand Funk Railroad and so on), not so much the more obscure acts whose fans might not even *want* them to be "institutionalized"...



>See, a litmus test for me is if by and large, people who
>aren't music geeks are familiar with the name and can name at
>least a few songs.

VU would actually probably qualify, but
>certainly not the Stooges.

And you think it's worng that they are in then? The band that more than any other has been namedropped as the biggest influence behind punk? For genres like punk, new wave, various forms of indie-rock or just "alternative rock" in general etc., the influential and genre-defining acts have historically never been big or successful (well, Neil Young but that's about the only one). Yet, those are big *genres* and a big part of what rock is today. It's better to just skip the entire late 70's and 80's and go directly for Green Day and RHCP (I expect a Foo Fighters nomination when they are eligible) while at the same time continuing to nominate old 60's acts like Butterfield Blues Band that in the context of today are more obscure than, say, P.I.L., Joy Division or Can (or Motörhead!!!)? Eeeh, it reeks of a combination of populism and nostalgia...

For the record, I think the "classic rock"-*era* (not necessarily the major bands) was the absolute peak of rock for a variety of reasons but to just ignore entire influential movements and bands who has shaped the sound of rock for the past, um, 35 years? That's the fossilized aspect right there...

And for the record, I'm not "lobbying" for any specific bands, it really could be anything. I mean, if Butterfield blues band gets a nomination...

  

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52. "disclaimer: I dislike the whole idea of a 'Hall of Fame'"
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and am interested principally as an observer and music fan, not someone with any horse in the race.

BUT

If the HOF is going to induct permanent members, then yes, I think it should be primarily about enduring populism (not nostalgia).

It's hard to remember with the hoopla about who gets inducted and who doesn't that the RRHOF is primarily a *museum*.

For the influential but not famous guys, or for the ones who sold a lot of records four decades ago but haven't remained particularly 'relevant,' that's what the MUSEUM is for. Set up an exhibit (or produce a TV documentary) on them and why they are so relevant even though they never sold any records.

I mean, the MC5 isn't inducted and really shouldn't be, but a permanent exhibit is named after them: http://www.rockhall.com/exhibits/kick-out-the-jams-music-of-the-midwest/ (Admittedly the exhibit sounds a bit scattered, but whatever; it's a logical solution of how to honor a band, or several, that deserve/s mention but not induction)

But yeah, to be inducted into (not exhibited at) the Hall of Fame, I think Fame is the key ingredient.




> VU would actually probably qualify, but
>>certainly not the Stooges.
>
>And you think it's worng that they are in then?

I wouldn't have put them in.

>The band that
>more than any other has been namedropped as the biggest
>influence behind punk?

Should the New York Dolls be in then too?

See, again I'd say they'd make a great *exhibit*

> That's the fossilized aspect right
>there...

I suspect that the RRHOF's fossilized aspect - the discomfiture between wanting to induct everyone who appeared at Monterey Pop (I was laughing b/c I had the exact same 'who's next - Canned Heat?' thought you did) and wanting to induct 'modern' acts - will begin to dissipate if it ever moves beyond the control of Jann Wenner and his circle of cronies.

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55. "This is what irks me about Green Day"
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>>The band that
>>more than any other has been namedropped as the biggest
>>influence behind punk?
>
>Should the New York Dolls be in then too?
>

Yes. Absolutely. No New York Dolls (hell, going back to last year... no Link Wray), no Green Day. I think influence should trump Fame.

The Hall had a previous problem with ignoring fame (hence things like Rush and Kiss), but I feel like with HBO picking up the inductions, they've swung the pendulum way to far in the other direction.

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75. "you know the Monkees have never even been nominated?*"
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>The Hall had a previous problem with ignoring fame

*I find that hard to believe

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76. "Not Huey Lewis & the news either"
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I mean, "Sports" sold almost 10 million copies and "Fore" was a huge record too with hits like "Stuck with you" and "Hip to be a square". It's a shame...

  

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89. "not the Bay City Rollers"
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but people still watch the Monkees on TV
People still sing the Monkees songs & acts cover them
The Monkees TV show is considered a very significant factor in the development of the music video as art form (not my thing , but is very importannt to plenty of people)
The Monkees set the template for the corporately assembled group, which has been an enormous factor in the development of pop over the past 45 years.


this takes me back to the idea that initial fame is important, but lasting fame is more important... one without the other doesn't work as well for qualification.

It's not that there's NOT a bunch of legitimate reasons to induct Huey Lewis (He WAS a massive star, after all, with huge movie placement and even big enough to be parodied on Sesame Street http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdcHzquaMh8)... but there's certainly more legitimate reason to induct the Monkees.

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91. "Well, I obviously prefer the Monkees too..."
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...but at this writing, Huey Lewis & the News have more spotify-plays than the Monkees and bigger albums as well. In 2014!!!

I agree about the tv-show and the assembled band thing though...

EDIT:Bay City Rollers isn't the same thing really; they were more the NKOTB of their time, I literally never hear their songs and could only name 1 or 2 whereas I actually still hear at least "the Power of love" and "Stuck on you" fairly regularly...

  

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77. "Dude. Don't get me started."
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The number one argument against ("They didn't write/play their own music") is such fucking horseshit when Elvis is in the HoF.

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90. "The #1 argument is "Jann Wenner doesn't like them.""
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92. "This is true."
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It's crazy the weird hang ups that dude has with certain acts.

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53. "Oh my god, absolutely."
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I know the "novelty" tag will hold him out, but he absolutely deserves to be in there. I think because of the spoofing, people completely overlook how fucking talented he is.

>problem with Uncle Tupelo is they were never FAMOUS.. they've
>got influence on lock, but they never had the sales &
>popularity that you'd really need.

But they've got rock critic swag. That usually helps more than popularity, at least for one artist a year.

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51. "stop trying to make Chic happen. it's not going to happen."
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and i like 'Good Times' and 'I Want Your Love' quite a lot. and those Change hits that sound just like Chic are awesome too.

but...no. i don't see it for them. they just don't have enough gravitas, IMO. and apparently plenty Hall voters agree.


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57. "RE: stop trying to make Chic happen. it's not going to happen."
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It's not about gravitas....

The Dave Clark Five got in...and there are plenty of singer songwriters in the Hall who don't even have a gold album to their name...I'm talking about cult acts......But their INFLUENCE was huge...And Chic's influence cannot be overstated...

Trust...Chic will get in....If not this go around then the next. And there are several factors helping them...Chief among them their production work outside of Chic...And the fact that Nile Rogers is still around today contributing to huge hits...

What you are seeing isn't so much a ground swell for Chic...But people pointing out how certain acts have gotten in with waaaay less influence (and hits) than the Chic machine...

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61. "Chic's influence is routinely overstated. especially here."
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>The Dave Clark Five got in...

and shouldn't have.

but i don't have to explain the difference between Chic and DC5. you see it.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Dave_Clark_Five_1964.JPG

it is what it is.

and there are plenty of singer
>songwriters in the Hall who don't even have a gold album to
>their name...I'm talking about cult acts......But their
>INFLUENCE was huge...And Chic's influence cannot be
>overstated...

oh but it can be. and it is.

CHIC's influence - i see it in Change. and...who else?

again - CHIC.

inevitably there will be some listing of Nile's production credits. and good for him. but that's also overblown. he definitely produced some hits and i like several of them. but i wouldn't vote him in the RRHOF were i a voter and i understand the Hall's reluctance. i'm also not campaigning against homeboy - if he gets in that's cool. but HE should get in, NOT Chic. Nile Rodgers should be inducted but NOT Chic.

>Trust...Chic will get in....If not this go around then the
>next.

i don't see it happening for Chic. maybe for Nile and Bernard has a longer shot, but not for Chic.

And there are several factors helping them...Chief among
>them their production work outside of Chic...And the fact that
>Nile Rogers is still around today contributing to huge
>hits...

one hit w/Daft Punk. that fire burned out already.

>What you are seeing isn't so much a ground swell for
>Chic...

right. b/c there ain't one based on the RRHOF voting thus far.

But people pointing out how certain acts have gotten in
>with waaaay less influence (and hits) than the Chic
>machine...

2 wrongs ain't never made a right.

and we all already know why and how those lesser deserving groups got in. that's a shame. a shame that shouldn't be repeated just to make us stop whining about how unfair it is.

i like what homeboy said above about certain acts being recognized by the RRHOF w/temporary exhibits (it's a museum, after all) but not permanent ones. Chic belongs like that - a temporary exhibit maybe as part of a permanent Disco exhibit w/rotating entries. but Chic just doesn't deserve a spot in the RRHOF, IMO.

fuck you.

  

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63. "the list of groups/artists is pretty long"
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who Chic (both as a band, and Nile, Bernard and Tony as musicians and producers) are more accomplished and successful than...


it's not far fetched that they should be under serious consideration...as a group and as individuals their resume is more solid than a lot of groups who are in, or under consideration now...

  

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64. "see #61"
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fuck you.

  

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65. "Nile Rodgers production accomplishments are overblown???"
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lol..

  

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66. "Yah."
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No.

Even the new Avicci track here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmVjsE-XnEA

I can only chop this up to What's ignorance. I'm not gonna list a discography of his production credits on hits cause it's easy to find. He's also producing the new Duran Duran album with Mark Ronson.

  

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67. "oh i know his credits."
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overstated.

QUINCY JONES just got inducted in 2013, right?

if he JUST got in...Niles can wait a few more yrs. and in that time he can rack more HITS, right? he can pad that awesome CV of his w/more of these contemporary hits like that Avicii song that lit all the H&M and TopShop dressing rooms on fire! maybe he can produce Blondie's next record too! hell, David Bowie ain't dead yet and has a traveling museum exhibit. he should join up w/him again. and Madonna's clearly not dead - why not her?

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68. "I would question whether or not both Madonna and Duran Duran"
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would have been in the hall of fame....or at least getting in as soon as they did without the success they had from their work with Nile...

and he brought Bowie back in a pretty monumental comeback for another hall of fame artist..


I dunno..

I certainly don't have a problem with Quest pushing for artists getting in who are seemingly being held to a higher standard than other artists who have gotten in...particularly when in a case like this..the artist is deserving..

why Niles got to wait when other didn't??

  

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70. "Lets talk about Madge, the Durans and Nile."
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>would have been in the hall of fame....or at least getting in
>as soon as they did without the success they had from their
>work with Nile...

Nile produced ONE album for Madge.

ONE.

Like a Virgin. It was a huge hit and continued her mainstream explosion - which had begun with her debut produced by Jellybean Benitez. That album was big and Madge went on to release several more hits that Nile had nothing to do with. He only produced that ONE album.

And the Durans - he produced the Notorious album which was the last in the group's 80s run of hits. It was the least of them all. Nile had also produced a few of their earlier hit singles. But the group had released several hit albums and singles without Nile's involvement. And they came back in the 90s without Nile's involvement.

So let's not overstate the importance of Nile to those acts' success. He was part but only part and not the most integral part.

>and he brought Bowie back in a pretty monumental comeback for
>another hall of fame artist..

Let's Dance was a hit.

>why Niles got to wait when other didn't??

I won't cry if he doesn't get in.

And Chic should NOT be inducted.

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79. "I stand by the opinion that Madonna would not be"
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in the Rock and Roll hall of fame without the Like a Virgin album...she's actually boarderline (no pun intended..lol) hall of fame anyway..

I just don't think she makes it without that album..

Without Notorious...Duran Duran's run would have been shorter...and they would have been looked at as more of a flash in than who had a run in a particular era...


the Let's dance album for Bowie...the Diana album for Ms. Ross.... Those albums were "comeback" albums for a couple of pretty big superstars...

We are Family crossed a popular culture barrier at the time that honestly not many songs have in history.....

  

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81. "RE: I stand by the opinion that Madonna would not be"
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>in the Rock and Roll hall of fame without the Like a Virgin
>album...she's actually boarderline (no pun intended..lol) hall
>of fame anyway..
>
>I just don't think she makes it without that album..
>
>Without Notorious...Duran Duran's run would have been
>shorter...and they would have been looked at as more of a
>flash in than who had a run in a particular era...
>
>
>the Let's dance album for Bowie...the Diana album for Ms.
>Ross.... Those albums were "comeback" albums for a couple of
>pretty big superstars...
>
>We are Family crossed a popular culture barrier at the time
>that honestly not many songs have in history.....
>

Yeah...that Like A Virgin album is what made Madonna a cultural icon...That "one" album could arguably be viewed as her trademark work...there were artistically better Madonna albums...But Like A Virgin is easily her most important..

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82. "and good for you and those acts."
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if Nile makes it in that's fine w/me. but if he doesn't it's no tragedy.

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84. "The Spinners not making it would be the tragedy....lol"
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pretty sure Nile and Chic make it soon..particularly with Nile doing current hit records...

but the Spinners actually should have already made it.... multiple hits... crossover records....no question..

  

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85. "uh huh"
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78. "haha."
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59. "Murph's picks....(from this year's nominations)"
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Chic--"Good Times"= the mainstream birth of hip-hop. They were at the other end of Donna Summer....Disco's official band...

N.W.A.--I would have liked to see LL go in before them given the amount of times he has been nominated and being the official flagship artist of the most important hip-hop label of all time in Def Jam. But Eazy and them deserve their slot...

Kraftwerk--Should have gotten in a long time ago...

Green Day--U can think whatever u want about them. But Green Day was a huge, highly influential band...

The Spinners--Like one of the homies said, if the Dells are in...Then....

Nine Inch Nails--Another huge presence in modern music....Trent gets in...

Mavellettes--They are the only hit making branch of Motown that are not in. Let 'em in....


(*Joan Jett...I would not be surprised if she gets in this time around...People may think it's because of the Nirvana shout out, but they would be wrong. Because every year someone gets on a mic calling out the Hall for not having Joan Jett in....Put it this way. She was on some Jackie Robinson shit....Women were basically non existent in the type rock she was doing. Jett didn't fit the same bag as say Heart, who were from the school of Led Zep...She and the Runaways fit more into the post corporate rock shit that was jumping off. The Runaways could be on the same bill as the Clash and no one would think twice about it...The fact that Jett had an even bigger career without them deserves an accolade in a male dominated scene...*)

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62. "Chic...disco's official band????"
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*head explodes*

MFSB would like a word about that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MFSB

as would the Salsoul Orchestra. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salsoul_Orchestra#Partial_discography

^ you know them as the studio bands for Gamble & Huff and Salsoul - they played on dozens of Disco releases - many more than Chic.

MFSB/SSO should be inducted in the RRHOF before Chic. they're the Funk Brothers/Barkays-MGs of Disco. and we know how much the RRHOF loves bands like that.

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69. "RE: Chic...disco's official band????"
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I got a towel to wipe up those brain chunks from said exploiding head...lol

All of the session bands u named put in serious work in disco...But its not just about massive hits...Chic's hits were more connected to the culture and lifestyle of disco...Bringing up session players vs. an actual band is a bit puzzling...Beyond Donna Summers and the Bee Gees I cant think any other act of that time that screamed Studio 54...Chic was all about glamor, swag,, sex and romance...I dont think of Love Train when all that decadent folklore about coke snorting on the dance floor, VIP orgies in the basement and all those colorful characters from Bianca Jagger to Grace Jones and Warhol wilding out at the tables is detailed...I think of Le Freak...

Chic's energy seemed to wave that disco freak flag proudly. As a band they personified disco much in the same way that Parliament personified funk...Its bigger than the music...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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71. "no."
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I know Disco was more than that Studio 54 life and sound bc I actually know Disco. Ppl who don't tend to associate the genre with Summer, the Gees and Chic. It's like associating Hip-Hop with Eminem, Hammer and Vanilla Ice. Those acts are HH but they're not the best HH has to offer and those who really know the music understand that.

If you knew Disco you'd understand that Salsoul is where it's at. And that studio band was the driving force - the Funk Brothers/MGs analogy is apt. If you know Soul you respect those house bands and if you know Disco you respect the Salsoul Orchestra.

fuck you.

  

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80. "RE: no."
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>I know Disco was more than that Studio 54 life and sound bc I
>actually know Disco. Ppl who don't tend to associate the genre
>with Summer, the Gees and Chic. It's like associating Hip-Hop
>with Eminem, Hammer and Vanilla Ice. Those acts are HH but
>they're not the best HH has to offer and those who really know
>the music understand that


Cut it out...lol...now u punishing Summer and Chic for selling shit loads of albums?...To be real about it the Bee Gers falls more in that Eminem bracket...But Chic and Summer?...The black and gay clubs were blasting their shit too...Lets not take it to extremes here...Shit...a song like "I Feel Love" was groundbreaking stuff...

>If you knew Disco you'd understand that Salsoul is where it's
>at. And that studio band was the driving force - the Funk
>Brothers/MGs analogy is apt. If you know Soul you respect
>those house bands and if you know Disco you respect the
>Salsoul Orchestra

I know disco very well...but I dont downplaythe impact of acts just because they were mega huge...Yeah I know the story...IM a DEEP House head so a lot of the bands u name dropped were on the same records that were spinning at the spots I was going to as a kid in 86 and 87...But underground heads who worshipped Bohannon and the like understood what Summer and Chic meant to the culture...The hood loved them as well...Dismissing them as less than their more underground counterparts is like saying Run DMC were not hip hops official or trademark act in the 80s because Cold Crush were the group all the true heads revered...Sometimes massive popularity doesnt mean a lack of credibility...To the world Summer and Chic were the embodiment of disco much in the same way Run DMC were the embodiment of hip hop...


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83. "k."
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Chic doesn't belong in the RRHOF. Nile barely does - if he gets in that's fine but if he doesn't it's no tragedy.

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86. "RE: k."
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>Chic doesn't belong in the RRHOF. Nile barely does - if he
>gets in that's fine but if he doesn't it's no tragedy.

but Nile has been critically involved in more big hits than just about anyone on that list, and across several genres r&b , pop, rock, hip hop, disco. Maybe you don't like his style personally that's fine, but his body of work is impressive and why he is respected by the hit makers.

dude

  

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Nile barely belongs. Chic doesn't.

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88. "And when you say 'more' big hits......"
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We're talking triple/quadruple compared to the closest nominee.

  

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60. "btw my guesses as to who goes in this year."
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Not who I want, but how I bet it goes does....

Green Day
N.W.A.
Lou Reed
Sting
Stevie Ray Vaughan

My picks though would probably be:

Chic
Kraftwerk
The Smiths
The Spinners
Bill Withers


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74. "i been voting for bill every day"
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i would love to see bill get in

*professional lurker*

  

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94. " bill withers is #4"
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i think he has a chance

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95. "RE: bill withers is #4"
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The fan voting part of it doesnt have much of an impact on the final ballot...But it does put a spotlight on an act..

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*professional lurker*

  

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96. "i listened to some Chic last night."
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and...it didn't change my mind about their nomination/induction (but damn i forgot how much i like 'Good Times' and i don't like 'I Want Your Love' as much and 'Chic Cheer' is still the jam and 'Everybody Dance' is a bit grating).

but i reflected on Nile Rodgers' induction and i now think he's more deserving than i did previously. not just for the Chic work (still only talking about a handful of hits from 3 albums, folks) but for his production work, generally. i'd like to see him inducted.

but not Chic.

fuck you.

  

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98. "Bill's in!!!!! (Full List/SWIPE)"
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I dunno why, but this Green Day shit still gets on my nerves.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/green-day-lou-reed-joan-jett-ringo-starr-lead-2015-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-20141216


Green Day, Lou Reed, Joan Jett, Ringo Starr Lead 2015 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
Bill Withers, Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble, Paul Butterfield Blues Band will also be inducted next April

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The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has officially announced next year's inductees: Lou Reed, Green Day, Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts, Bill Withers and the Paul Butterfield Blues Band will all join the class of 2015. Ringo Starr will be given the Award For Musical Excellence and 1950s R&B group the "5" Royales will receive the Early Influence Award.

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The induction ceremony will be held at Cleveland's Public Hall on April 18th, 2015. Once again, the general public will be allowed to attend. Tickets go on sale this Thursday.

Artists are eligible for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 25 years after the release of their first album or single. Green Day, whose debut EP, 1,000 Hours, came out in 1989, are entering the institution in their first year of eligibility. "I had to go for a walk when I heard the news," says Green Day frontman Billie Joe Armstrong. "We're in incredible company and I'm still trying to make sense of this. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has always held something special for me because my heroes were in there. This is a great time for us to sort of reflect and look back with gratitude." (Read his full Q&A here.)

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Jett is equally blown away by the news. "It's surreal and very humbling," she says. "It's a culmination of all you've dreamed about doing as a musician. I've always been hopeful because I think it's an incredible acknowledgment. I'm very proud to be with all these great musicians. It's going to take a few minutes to sink in before I see how I really feel about it." (Read the rest of her interview here.)

Starr was inducted as part of The Beatles in 1988, though his three other bandmates have since entered the Hall of Fame as solo artists. "This means recognition to me," he says. "And it means, finally, the four of us are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame even though we were the biggest pop group in the land, though now it all looks funny in black and white." (Read his full Q&A here.)

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Withers, who has been largely absent from the music scene over the past three decades, was surprised when he heard the news. "I never thought it was some kind of entitlement or something," he says. "I just never felt that anyone owed me this. It's something that's nice that happened. I guess I'll have to go buy a suit."

He might even agree to a rare performance on the evening, but at the moment he's far from sure about that. "There are some people that can sing in their later years and some of them that can't," he says. "I don't want to be on of those old guys that sounds like a gerbil trying to give birth to a hippopotamus. I've gotta see if I can't conjure it up." (Read the rest of his amusing interview here.)

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Reed was inducted in 1996 as a member of the Velvet Underground, and he will be honored posthumously at the event for his solo work. Vaughan will also be inducted posthumously, though his backing band Double Trouble are also getting in. "Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble's time together meant a lot to us," says the group's drummer Chris Layton. "We treasured the fact that we found that common ground. Through that, with Stevie's passing, our only hope was that maybe other people would enjoy it as much as we did and would hopefully find some kind of meaning it it for themselves. The induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is sort of evidence of that."

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The annual ceremony often ends with many of the night's artists jamming together. "I'm not putting a band together," says Ringo. "But if Paul puts one together, I'll do 'With A Little Help From My Friends.'"

Whether or not that happens, one of Jett's signature songs would also sum up the evening quite nicely. "Playing 'I Love Rock and Roll' would be a lot of fun," she says. "It would speak to what a lot of us have dedicated our lives to, this music called rock & roll. I think it would be appropriate. I've always sort of kept that song away, but I think in this instance it would be a perfect instance to whip it out and have people do it."

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/green-day-lou-reed-joan-jett-ringo-starr-lead-2015-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-20141216#ixzz3M3uorWo1
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99. "Goddamn it 15, please take charge of the tribute performance if he don't..."
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I'm doing backflips thinking of the crew you could put together to pay tribute. Pull it off and maybe he'll finally listen to you and you can't make that dream project happen.

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100. "Shit, this was an upset across the board outside of Lou Reed"
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I figured Kraftwerks' enduring influence in an era of laptop music and Nine Inch Nails still being a viable stadium and critcally acclaimed act 30+ years would put em over the top.

While I hate on Greenday, can't argue against the fact that as far as shaping modern rock radio they were right after Nirvana with that pop punk into emo movement that ruled rock radio from the mid 90's to mid aughts.


  

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101. "You can if you don't see that shaping as positive. lol"
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>While I hate on Greenday, can't argue against the fact that as
>far as shaping modern rock radio they were right after Nirvana
>with that pop punk into emo movement that ruled rock radio
>from the mid 90's to mid aughts.
>
>
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102. "Oh, it sucked. Its why I am confused at Kraftwerk getting dissed"
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you can easily argue they are MORE influencial looking at how many bands are giving up guitars for laptops now that tech has cought up as far as ease/acccessability and vision is concerned...along with being a cornerstone of early hip-hop.

  

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103. "I think Kraftwerk is seeing the same rock elitism that hip hop does"
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And prog rock. Really anything that's not Rolling Stone certified rock and/or roll. Like we were saying above.... Green Day's in, yet the New York Dolls aren't? Fuck all that. Same thing I said when they put Nirvana in before the Pixies. It makes no sense. Not that these bands don't deserve induction someday.... but that they're first ballet entries is just suspect to me.

But whatever.... Bill's in. I'm praying for a performance. Or like I said, a sick tribute.

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104. "I'm sorry but...there are a lot of people I would put in before"
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a bunch of those folks...

but I'm very happy for Bill Withers..he deserves it..

Green Day though???

lol..

come on man..

if Kizz had to way decades how Green Day just go right in..

and Ringo and Lou are already in with their more famous groups..


  

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105. "Right?? It makes no sense."
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There is no rhyme or reason to what these inductees are meant to reflect anymore.

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