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this seems about right:

Christgau: I will believe that is a good record when it's in my hands and I hear it. But I am skeptical. I don't believe he has the profile of a genius. I think he has the profile of an unreliable artist. I can tell you what I'm certain is going to happen—is nobody is going to know what to make of the record when they write about it. There will be just reams of bullshit written about it. I am certain of it. The long-awaited follow-up album never gets a smart review. You just need time to absorb it.

Untitled (An Oral History of D'Angelo)

http://noisey.vice.com/blog/untitled-an-oral-history-of-dangelo

On a May afternoon, D'Angelo, sitting calmly with a cigarette hanging out of his mouth, stared into Questlove's eyes, expressing disapproval.

Moments earlier, Quest, a frequent collaborator, had hopped onstage during a Red Bull Music Academy-sponsored talk hosted by author Nelson George, and brought up D'Angelo's third album, now 14 years in the making. George and D skirted the topic and quickly called an end to an otherwise positive chat, providing no updates on what has become the Chinese Democracy of our time. For D'Angelo's countless, endlessly patient fans, this was nothing new.

Born Michael Eugene Archer, D’Angelo is one of the true enigmas of modern music. His two albums, 1995’s breezy Brown Sugar and 2000's virtuosic Voodoo, transcended the traditional notions of soul, hip-hop, and pop, and positioned D as a symbol of hope for urban music (the critic Robert Christgau referred to him as “R&B Jesus"). Soon enough, however, he quickly found himself bristling against the pressures of fame and notoriety.

Following the release of the video for “Untitled (How Does it Feel)," which established D’Angelo as a sex symbol, and the tumultuous Voodoo Tour that followed in its wake, the artist sentenced himself to a decade-and-a-half sabbatical filled with legal troubles, obsessive work on his still-unreleased third album, and scant public appearances.

In an attempt to shed some light on both D’Angelo the artist and Michael Archer the man, I embarked on a quest to talk to his friends, collaborators, and critics about a creator who made sense of a pre-Y2K world by channeling funk and feelings into timeless music, despite never quite learning to make sense of himself.

To outsiders, D can be seen as lazy and unreliable, with enablers like Questlove who drop in every two to three years to give us false promises of a looming album. But by all accounts from the people who actually know him, he's the opposite. For over a decade, he's been stuck in his own hell, working hard to find the sounds only he could hear and deliver an album of the highest possible quality to his fans.
THE PLAYERS

Robert Christgau: Self-anointed “Dean of American Rock Critics,” who worked for over three decades as the music editor of The Village Voice, and has since been published in Esquire, Rolling Stone, Newsday, and more.

Jocelyn Cooper: Former music executive who signed D'Angelo to his first deal as a songwriter and producer. Currently a partner of Afropunk Festival.

Tina Farris: Tour manager for The Roots and Assistant Tour Manager for D'Angelo.

Lee Foster: Partner/General Manager of Electric Lady Studios, where D'Angelo recorded Voodoo and his unreleased third album.

Gary Harris: Former music executive instrumental in the release of D'Angelo's debut album via EMI Music.

Mark Jenkins: Physical trainer who worked closely with D'Angelo in the late 1990's.

Alan Leeds: D'Angelo's tour manager and Prince’s former tour manager.

Kevin Liles: Music industry veteran who signed D'Angelo to a management deal via his KWL Management.

DJ Premier: Legendary hip-hop producer and one half of Gang Starr. Produced "Devil's Pie" on D'Angelo's Voodoo.

Questlove: Close friend of D'Angelo's and frequent collaborator on Voodoo and the forthcoming third album. Also the drummer of The Roots.

Redman: Veteran rapper. Appears on Voodoo's "Left & Right" as one of the album’s two guest vocalists.

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DISCOVERY AND DEBUT

In 1993, an 18-old Michael "D'Angelo" Archer, then a member of hip-hop group IGU, was discovered by Jocelyn Cooper, A&R at Midnight Music, who went on to sign D as a songwriter-producer. Within a year, he scored a gig writing and producing R&B group Black Men United's "U Will Know," and quickly established himself as a behind-the-scenes wunderkind. Meanwhile, the musician was quietly pursuing a solo career, toying with song ideas in his Virginia bedroom and recording sketches to a 4-track. Those recordings would form the backbone of his debut solo album, Brown Sugar, a versatile effort that showcased a new take on R&B. Littered with marijuana references—which would go on to garner him plenty of love in the hip-hop world—soulful courtship ballads, and a tongue-in-cheek slow jam about the imagined double homicide of his girlfriend and friend who was fucking his girlfriend, Brown Sugar was an introduction to an undeniable talent. D would go on to tour the record, though as he was still building his confidence as a performer in his own right, delivered his music largely from behind a piano.

Jocelyn Cooper: was the first writer that I signed in 1993. He was in a group called IGU, and the members of IGU came to my office and played some music, and I loved it. I asked them who the producer was and they all came back with a couple weeks later. He was just so unique. He sat down and played the piano for me, a couple ballads, in my office. It was amazing and it just had a mix—it was hip-hop and it was funk and it was soul.

Cooper: I had the privilege of going down to Virginia and seeing him in his home and in his music room, which was this little closet where he had produced all these amazing sounds and samples on an EPS-16+. I mean, he had no money. When he first started, we got him a lot of covers in film and in television, and he was producing records before his album came out. He had a number of other covers that were released before Brown Sugar came out.

Kevin Liles: To hear his vocal arrangements and the way he produced and wrote, it was just a fresh sound. He was just an all-around musician, and he just wanted to make great music. And when you find art, you want to put it in the Smithsonian Institute, you don't just want it in some obscure place and pigeon-held to a certain sound, you want the world to see it. That's what attracted me to him.

Questlove: I had lost faith in modern R&B. What was lacking for me was musicianship. Not since Prince had any black singer floored me musically the way D'Angelo did. There were plenty of great singers, but their music was mundane. From his keyboard patches to his sloppy, human-like drum programming, I felt like I had a kindred spirit and I wanted to be down.

DJ Premier: I met D'Angelo because we were labelmates. Me and Guru used to always run through the new stuff that was coming through. When Arrested Development came, we were the first to hear them. Then same thing with D'Angelo, like, "He plays all the instruments and he could sing and he looks like he's from the street with the braids, and this that and third, and he's got a really soulful voice." They played us his demo and "Brown Sugar,” and then I saw that he was referencing smoking trees. At that time, we were all avid weed promoters.

Redman: I hadn't heard nothing like "Brown Sugar" in my life. Talking about bud. I felt was ballsy to do in R&B, and it was fucking fabulous. He mixed it as a female. It was genius. I became a fan, just from the marijuana relation that he had. And then the music on top of that, when the album came out and I heard more songs, lyrically and as an artist, he's fucking ridiculous. Grounded with his sound, expertise on his singing notes, music complements everything, he complements the music, the band, the vibe, everything was just fabulous.

Robert Christgau: I had my doubts. I thought he was good. I thought he was better than Maxwell, who would get the same kind of talk at more or less the same time, but not quite as loud or as enthusiastic.

Alan Leeds: I actually first saw on a show I was doing with Morris Day & the Time in Houston. I got a chance to see D and I was reasonably impressed, but anybody who saw his first appearances… he wasn't really touring, he had a small band that was quite good. But he basically sat at a piano, wasn't very animated. And I kind of went away looking at him as a modern day Donny Hathaway, because I didn't see a lot else.

Cooper: He'd been performing since he was three years old. I knew that it was going to blossom into something else.

VOODOO

Following Brown Sugar and its subsequent tour, D'Angelo was embraced by a community of like-minded musicians responsible for a creative renaissance in hip-hop and R&B. Most important among them was Questlove of The Roots, who would go on to serve as the spiritual director of D's second album, Voodoo. Recorded entirely in New York’s Electric Lady Studios, Voodoo stood as the creative centerpiece of a collective movement that also birthed Common’s Like Water For Chocolate, Erykah Badu’s Mama’s Gun, and The Roots’ Things Fall Apart. Marked by loose instrumentations delivered by a team of virtuosic talents, stream-of-consciousness songwriting, and obsessively layered background textures, Voodoo was a singular statement from an artist firing on all cylinders. The help didn't hurt either, as D and Quest employed an all-star case of session musicians to help bring their vision to life. Over four years, producers J Dilla, Q-Tip, and DJ Premier, rappers Method Man and Redman, bassist Pino Palladino, guitarist Mike Campbell, trumpeter Roy Hargrove, and many more contributed to the album, which won the 2001 Grammy for Best R&B Album and has since gone platinum.

Cooper: was really about the sound engineer and Questlove, who came into D's life around that time. Being able to experiment with Quest and have money to just stay in the studio and really do his thing, he evolved as a performer and as an artist and as a songwriter.

Questlove: It is important to note that we never once said, “This is an official track.” Actually, correction: "Send It On" was the only official track made. Everything else was created through hours of jamming and sourcing. These jams would last for about five hours. The engineer, Russ Elevado, would keep note of what parts we were excited about on a DAT recorder. After the sessions we'd sit back and listen. Sometimes we would cut and paste ("The Root," "Greatdayndamornin’"), but most times we'd re-record until perfection was achieved ("Chicken Grease," "The Line").

Lee Foster: It seemed to me that my co-workers were D'Angelo and Badu and The Roots. They'd been holding down for a few years at that point. I remember it being really communal. You would see Questlove go back to a D'Angelo session, and D'Angelo go upstairs to a Badu session, and Nas would come through. Mos Def was here a lot. Common was here a lot. They were a group of people who had decided absolutely that this was the sort of mechanism to help them create and record and document what they were doing. And they just took it over.

DJ Premier: Electric Lady, it's Jimi Hendrix's studio. You walk in and D'Angelo's got the atmosphere set up. He had The Isley Brothers' album cover posted up. He had Prince's 1999, the inside insert of him and The Revolution. Then he had Jimi Hendrix albums and Grand Central Station and Sly And The Family Stone. All these dope bands. And he said, "I leave all that up so I can be inspired and make that type of funky music."

Questlove: I didn't know we were making history, but something was abrew at Electric Lady. Soon thereafter, every artist wanted to record in that area, just hoping for a little bit of inspiration.

Foster: There were times when would have the whole building locked out. He would have all three rooms as his, and the upstairs room felt like when you walk in to a daycare and there's just toys everywhere. There was every single instrument you could imagine, just laying on the floor. He could literally just walk around and grab things. I was just like, "Is this normal?"

Redman: They called our manager , but when our manager told us, it wasn't even a question. He ain't even have to ask us. It was like, "Yo, D'Angelo said it. Yes." It could've been like, "D'Angelo asked for you to carry his bags for the next tour." I would've been like, "Yes!"

DJ Premier: The first song I ever heard him play from Voodoo was "One Mo’gin" and I was like, "Yo man, it's so funky." He understands how to apply the funk. That's not something everyone can attain. It's like George Clinton said, "Funk not only moves, it can remove." I'm from that planet of Once Upon A Time Called Now… and not everybody can come from that planet. Believe me—D'Angelo is not from Earth.

Questlove: At the time when Voodoo was released and I saw James Hunter's harsh three-star lead review in Rolling Stone, I had to come to grips with myself that not everybody would understand this vision. As an artistic achievement, I felt absolutely vindicated when we started playing the record for people and saw their initial reactions. I must note that it went over a lot of people's heads. I suddenly realized that there's a difference between those that use music for art purposes and those who use it for general background purposes.

Christgau: Voodoo, both the women in my household—my daughter and my wife—loved the way the bass was used in that record, and they were really quite vocal about it.

FROM SOUL TO SEX ON THE VOODOO TOUR

To go along with his creative rebirth surrounding Voodoo, D’Angelo also transformed physically, teaming up with physical trainer Mark Jenkins to get into literal fighting shape. The music video for “Untitled (How Does it Feel)” effectively served as the public’s reintroduction to the artist—D, a onetime slightly overweight soul singer who stayed behind the piano during shows, appeared in the video shirtless and unbelievably fit, the camera circling his near-nude body like a shark stalking its prey. By the time he toured Voodoo in March of 2000, many women attended shows for the sole purpose of getting a glimpse of D’Angelo the Sex Symbol, yelling for him to take his shirt off within moments of starting his set.

Mark Jenkins: I had been training D's publicist at the time, who was a real slim guy and I put a certain amount of muscle mass on him, to the extent where D noticed, and he was like, "Can you train me?" To his credit, he gave me control, so what I told him to eat, he ate, and what I told him to drink, he drank. We trained really hard. Real intense training. And his body started to change.

Leeds: I got a call right as was finishing the Voodoo album, asking if I was available to manage his Voodoo Tour. What I saw at the first rehearsal was mind-blowing. Once I saw actually rehearse the performance—get up from the keyboards, work the front of the stage, I was astounded because I had absolutely no reason to expect that he had that in him. It was beyond just stage presence, to the point where you start thinking of James Brown and Prince and that whole lineage. I was really absolutely stunned. Nobody had seen that side of him.

Jenkins: They gave me some specific dates for when he had to shoot the . We were in the office talking about the video, and I was like, "Hey man, shit, the way he looks, you can just shoot the video of just his body." I was saying it jokingly, but I was telling them, "He's really coming together man. I think if you could just film his body, the shit'll be crazy and people will go crazy."

Leeds: The important thing was that he had gone from a guy behind the piano, into a phenomenal performer. But for all the chicks who saw the video, he'd gone from a chubby little guy behind the piano into this humungous sex symbol, which in the long run, almost worked against us. It certainly attracted an audience that might not otherwise have been there. There's no question. And if you cared at the box office, that was a good thing, but if you were on the stage, it wasn't necessarily a good thing because it was almost like he was reluctant.

Redman: His first album, he wasn't a sex symbol. He was a cool-ass nigga with cornrows in his hair.

Cooper: He was overly sexualized in that video, and as beautiful as it is, it takes away from the genius of who he is as a musician for a lot of folks.

Leeds: It really created this Frankenstein that got in the way of the music. We noticed it on the very first gig. The tour began at the House of Blues in LA. I don't think we were 15 minutes into the first show before girls were screaming, "Take it off, take it off, take it off!"

Tina Farris: I started the whole "take it off" thing. I started it. It was at the House Of Blues in LA. It’s like, I'm sorry, you're an R&B star, that's the experience. You are getting seduced by a singer, a crooner. That's what it is. He was out there being sexy, and I'm a young girl, and there are young girls around me and they spent money on these tickets. I can't be apologetic.

Leeds: When that started, you could just see the expression on his face, and it was almost like panic. And he came off the stage really, really disillusioned, because he's like, "Yo, the sex symbol shit is cool and we made the video, you know, I'm gratified that girls like me, but I'm not here for that. This ain't Chippendales, I'm a musician. I want people to walk away talking about my music. All that other shit should be way far secondary."

Questlove: None of us were prepared for the Circus Maximus atmosphere of the concerts. There were nights where we'd take an "86 count"—in other words, we counted the number of times someone got ejected. Sometimes those numbers were in the hundreds. Women were constantly climbing the stage to tackle him and fighting in the audience for better seats. Celebrities too. I won't name any names, but one of my favorite R&B singers threatened to throw another female off the balcony at the House of Blues in Los Angeles. Although on the surface that could seem flattering, that experience ate his soul. He felt people were missing the bigger picture.

Farris: I didn't notice . I heard them talking about it, but I thought that would pass.

Jenkins: What I always tell him is, "I think I failed you as a trainer, because while I got you in shape, I didn't teach you how to integrate it into your lifestyle." Him rebelling and just not caring about his body for a while, I think became the catalyst for all that stuff. If you could imagine, you're an introverted guy playing the piano, and the transformation took less than 90 days, so within two or three months people are telling you to take off your clothes, it's quite a shock. I don't think he was ready for it.

R&B JESUS

At the New York City stop of the Voodoo Tour, D'Angelo and his backing band took over New York’s Radio City Music Hall for a show that helped him transition from a rising talent with limitless potential to a full-fledged superstar. Robert Christgau wrote about the show for The Village Voice, and brazenly dubbed D'Angelo "R&B Jesus.”

Christgau: I was knocked out almost from the beginning. What happens at a great show is… there's this chemical shit that goes on. Pheromones. I believe in pheromones. I believe in vibes. I'm not a mystic, but I think those things happen, and I'm sure it was happening at that show.

Redman: I was pretty brown sugar'd that night, and the only thing I could remember was a lot of excitement. The whole night was just grand.

Cooper: It was amazing, because he was really living out his dreams. For the ending of the show, he had all the musicians onstage, and then one by one, they left, and he was just there sitting at the piano and playing. I was sobbing hysterically, because everything that he said that he wanted in a show and in his life and in his career happened at that moment.

Liles: To see him perform Voodoo, to see him put a band together that consisted of some of the greatest players in the world, it was just a special moment in our culture.

Christgau: In any tour, there are good nights, maybe a few bad nights, and then every once in a while you just get lucky, and somebody is on it and you're there and you're remember it for the rest of your life, which I do. My daughter, who's been to a lot of shows with me, has seen the Rolling Stones with me and saw the B-52s when she was four, she says that's the best show she's ever seen in her life. Remembers it to this day.

Leeds: meant that we were getting through despite the girls that were there just for the Chippendales aspect of it. It told us that the performance level that he was giving and the band was giving wasn't compromised by the sex symbol stuff, to the point that somebody like Christgau wasn't distracted by it. The only thing it's affecting is your mindset.

A DARK, QUIET DECADE

In the wake of the Voodoo Tour, D'Angelo largely disappeared from the public eye, hunkering down in the studio to begin work on his third solo album. With his reluctant identity as a sex symbol engulfing him, he battled with his own self-image and soon fell into a pit of self-destruction. In 2002, D'Angelo was booked for resisting arrest after officers tried to serve him a warrant for misdemeanor charges of aggravated driving. Three years later, with no definitive updates for a forthcoming album, D was pulled over and arrested on charges of drunk driving, marijuana possession, and possession of a controlled substance (cocaine). Eight months later, he was seriously injured in a car accident that found his Hummer veering off a highway and into a fence, before flipping over. D was airlifted to a nearby hospital, and soon after entered three different rehabilitation programs. Five years later, still with no signs of an album or intent to release one, D'Angelo was arrested in Manhattan's West Village neighborhood for soliciting oral sex from an undercover policewoman.

Foster: I think there was a few years where, maybe, not to talk out of turn, but I think maybe people around him weren't supporting him the way they should have been.

Leeds: At the end of the Voodoo Tour, D honestly was talking only about trying to get back in the studio and record new music. Because he was really over it. It was like, "been there, done that."

Foster: I would get a phone call, sometimes directly from D'Angelo, with him saying, "Lee, I gotta get back in, man. And it's gotta be Electric Lady. It's gotta happen there." There was a lot of nights where he would just say, "Clear the floor, I need to be down here by myself." You just felt like he was down here, carving at the ice.

Liles: It's always hard for artists to find themselves. It's always hard to put in a place where your self is first, when you've always put your music or your fans first. The rediscovering of yourself takes time, especially when you're not only rediscovering yourself, but you also have the pressure of what people's expectations are.

Foster: D'Angelo, to most of us, is a bit of a mystery. Obviously a savant, brilliant, all the great things you could say about an amazing artist like him. And a lot of times, historically, people like that get in their own way.

Jenkins: We've been in touch the whole time. I call him from time to time to make sure he's OK, and I tell him, "When you're ready, let's get back on it. We got the world to conquer." I just tried to make sure I was there for him without putting too much pressure.

Gary Harris: He contacted me in 2005 about the possibility of managing him and helping him go into a stage of rehab… He was in trouble. I knew him. I loved his music, I loved him, I knew his family. There didn't appear to be anyone else at the time who was interested in helping him. I never stopped believing in his ability and if he was sincerely going to make an effort to get back on track, that would be something I could easily lend support to.

Jenkins: as a fan. Hard as a friend. It's hard on a million levels.

Farris: Oh yeah , like, Come on dude. If you're going to be Marvin Gaye, I need to hear the work. I want to hear the work. I miss your work.

A TENTATIVE COMEBACK


"I Found My Smile Again," D'Angelo's last official solo track, released in 2008.

In 2011, D'Angelo quietly reemerged from his self-imposed sabbatical with the announcement of an 11-date European tour that sold out within one day. The following year, he toured alongside Mary J. Blige on her Liberation Tour, and played major music festivals like Bonnaroo and Made In America.

Leeds: I got a call from D and he said, "I finally think I'm ready to do some gigs… I wanna do something that's a little bit under the radar, so I can break in new band members, try out some of the new music and get accustomed to playing guitar onstage," which was really a confidence issue. We were determined to keep it in small venues and keep it intimate, but in order to make it pay off financially, we had to take a couple festival gigs.

Jenkins: We almost had him when Amy was interviewing him. He did the GQ shoot, and you saw in those pictures he was almost back. Maybe 40 pounds back to the video. Our goal is always to get back to where we started.

Farris: Waiting for somebody to come back out for 12 years, you have your own excitement. While he was on that sabbatical, we got to imagine what it was going to be like: "What's going to happen? Look at all these new guys that came in while he was gone. When D comes back, he's going to blow them out of the water."

Cooper: He's made records that really have impacted people's lives, and when you make full albums like that, people just don't forget you. There are very few artists these days who do that, and he's one of them. He's really about the art.

Leeds: He's playing for himself before he's playing for the audience. That doesn't mean he doesn't care about the audience—he cares greatly—but if he's not enjoying himself and expressing himself musically the way he wants to, then he's not gonna play. You gotta understand that this is somebody that could've been fabulously wealthy by now, had he just gone by the formula, which said: do another album in a year and a half and tour stadiums and do another sexy video, keep the weight off and play the game. And for whatever reason, he was like, "Yeah, OK, that's nice, but that ain't what I'm in to. I'm not in a hurry to be that. I just want to play the music that excites me to play and when it's time to tour, I'll tour. I'm not gonna do it because of some formula or what the industry says is appropriate."

The Elusive Third Album

Around the time of D'Angelo’s reemergence in 2011, frequent collaborator and producer Questlove told Pitchfork that the singer’s third album—at the time tentatively titled James River—was at last "97% done." Quest would go on to say the album was "99% done" in 2013. In early 2014, Kevin Liles, a music industry veteran and one of the most recent members of D'Angelo's management team, told Billboard "there'll be an album this year."

Foster: A lot of basic stuff had been done pretty quickly, so by 2003 or 2004, and then it's just been a lot of tweaking and exploring for all these years.

Cooper: The only thing that prevents him from putting out the record is him. I wish he'd stop tweaking it.

Leeds: There's almost no logical way to explain what's happened. He's probably written and recorded enough tracks for five albums. And the only answer I can give you that's the least bit honest is simply to say, he hasn't yet finished the album he wants it to be. Of course, the elephant in the room is that the longer it goes, the more pressure there is for that album to be the masterpiece that people are waiting for.

Liles: The rumor mill is so crazy. There's probably a good 40 different records that've been recorded. In the last two years, we're probably down to like 16 of those records. What we're going to have is a body of work that culminates the last ten years of D'Angelo… Expectations come in many different ways from many different people. I think D'Angelo wants to give his perspective. I don't think he plays for expectations, he plays for emotion, and that's really what you'll hear from this album.

Jenkins: I've heard a little bit of the record. What I've heard of it is great. He's evolved, but he's left enough that there's things people can resonate to from the past two records.

Redman: I know D as a professional, and I know he's gonna go in with his album. I'll call that motherfucker and tell him directly, "Yo, D'Angelo, I'm with anything you need on this album, you need a verse, you need a hook, you need an ad-lib"—I know his shit gonna be the bomb.

Liles: I can truly say that as an individual, his feet are on solid ground. As a spiritual person, he's found the God in him. And as a musician, his fingers and vocals are producing sounds and arrangements that you don't hear anywhere on the internet or radio today.

Leeds: It's definitely the kind of record that once you hear it, you're gonna say, "That's D'Angelo because it couldn't be anybody else."

Christgau: I will believe that is a good record when it's in my hands and I hear it. But I am skeptical. I don't believe he has the profile of a genius. I think he has the profile of an unreliable artist. I can tell you what I'm certain is going to happen—is nobody is going to know what to make of the record when they write about it. There will be just reams of bullshit written about it. I am certain of it. The long-awaited follow-up album never gets a smart review. You just need time to absorb it.

Redman: People are gonna say he's back first because of the respect, just because he's a great artist: "Yo, D'Angelo's back." Then when they listen to it, this is the tone: "Yo, D'Angelo's back.” And then, if his body's in shape? You'll hear, "Yo, D'Angelo's back! That motherfucker!" That's what he wants. That's what the fuck he wants.

Harris: D'Angelo the musician is exceptional. D'Angelo the man does not allow the musician to share his craft and his art with the world on a frequent basis.

Leeds: Everybody's different, and everybody has different motivations for making records. And for whatever reason, financial pressure and pressure to get on a stage and play new music wasn't substantial enough to get D to sign off on a finished record. That’s the pure artist in him that's so difficult for anybody to really, really understand because it goes against the grain of everything that this mercenary business has turned in to.

DJ Premier: You gotta understand, when you put your music out there into the world, you’re not drawing energy in, you're putting your energy out to the world. And when that happens, it's an emotional attachment that you can't really explain unless you created that music and that energy. Some people are just like, "Ah, let me put my record out." But then you have people like , who gotta cross every T and dot every I. And if it takes ten years, then it takes ten years.

Leeds: The irony is that after 14 years, given what this record sounds like, this probably is the right time for it. If he had the same record eight years ago that he had now? He woulda confused the fuck out of everybody. Maybe everything just happens the way it's supposed to.

Farris: No matter how long I have to wait or how frustrated I get with him, all he has to do is open his mouth and sing, and I'm back in love.

Questlove: In my opinion, the record is still 99.44 percent done. What is missing is one word, and that word is D'Angelo. As far as I'm concerned, no more harmonies are needed. No more verses need to be rewritten. This happens with a lot of our greats. The beauty of isolation—of being your own creator—is not being influenced by what the world has offered. The downside of isolation is that you get inside of your own head and you often believe in your self-doubt and your inability. I've heard this record. I've helped create this record. It is leaps and bounds above Voodoo. It has to be. It's 14 years in the making and it still sounds like it came out tomorrow. It is hard to be that damn timeless. So, that's all I can say. It's finished. It's brilliant. D'Angelo just doesn't know it yet. And I'm not sure it's my place to make him realize that it is ready.


  

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And I was wondering what I was gonna read on the train.
Oct 06th 2014
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*head explodes*
Oct 06th 2014
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I wish Obama would do something about this.
Oct 06th 2014
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      Fix it, Jesus!
Oct 06th 2014
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Is it just me, or is this piece slightly... puffy?
Oct 06th 2014
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There you go, hating again.
Oct 06th 2014
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We all got a job to do. nm
Oct 06th 2014
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      Is it not suspicious that you posted up ####'s soundcloud
Oct 06th 2014
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           Everything is connected!
Oct 06th 2014
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it was a dumb article
Oct 07th 2014
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      He actively courted that kind of attention, though.
Oct 07th 2014
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           i'm mixed on the whole thing...
Oct 07th 2014
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                I don't think it's altogether a fabrication
Oct 07th 2014
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                this.
Oct 07th 2014
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                RE: I don't think it's altogether a fabrication
Oct 07th 2014
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                     You can't blame people for commenting on his appearance
Oct 07th 2014
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                     it's just a joke all around
Oct 07th 2014
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                          As they should, Brown Sugar has the SONGS
Oct 07th 2014
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                          You sound bitter
Oct 07th 2014
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                               he tried that Afropunk shit on the BET Awards, killer.
Oct 07th 2014
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                                    ^^^^
Oct 07th 2014
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                     this is the problem... if he wants to disappear then disappear
Oct 07th 2014
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                          RE: this is the problem... if he wants to disappear then disappear
Oct 08th 2014
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                Sorry but I hate shit like this:
Oct 07th 2014
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                     RE: Sorry but I hate shit like this:
Oct 08th 2014
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with grammy season gone....i'm 99.44 percent sure this record's not drop...
Oct 06th 2014
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right??
Oct 07th 2014
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pretty sure d'angelo fucked this guys mom
Oct 08th 2014
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      Nothing funny about mentioning my mother!!!!
Oct 08th 2014
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      oh jesus effing christ
Oct 08th 2014
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      Show some respect and keep it moving!!!
Oct 08th 2014
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           while George Duke play...she caught this *&^% like a bouquet
Oct 08th 2014
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      yo, me & your mom 2 backing while you in the den, eating corn flakes
Oct 08th 2014
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           Which is my point...no need for it
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                http://www.inspirefusion.com/media/2012/worlds_smallest_violin2.jpg
Oct 09th 2014
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      This is what I don't get.
Oct 08th 2014
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           homie, you've been making the same tired arguments for...
Oct 08th 2014
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                Actually, I don't dislike D or his music.
Oct 08th 2014
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                RE: Actually, I don't dislike D or his music.
Oct 08th 2014
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                RE: Actually, I don't dislike D or his music.
Oct 08th 2014
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                     we are all part of the cycle my brother
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                          As long as you recognize that. nm
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                lol...
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                     And you're a lone soldier on a neverending mission
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                          lol...
Oct 09th 2014
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                But it's okay for D fans to make the same tired arguments for 10 years?
Oct 08th 2014
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                     no argument to make beyond y'all are weirdly hurt over the guy
Oct 09th 2014
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                          And of course, the same could be said of you with these posts.
Oct 09th 2014
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                               yeah this is established but it's still different in quality
Oct 09th 2014
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                                    He definitely owes his record company.
Oct 09th 2014
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                                         hey, if you want to act like a vagina who am i to stop you?
Oct 09th 2014
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                                              It's hilarious how personal the shit is with you, though.
Oct 09th 2014
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                                                   damn that vagina is leaky as fuck bro
Oct 09th 2014
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RE: he is playing down here
Oct 07th 2014
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I Found My Smile Again was from 96 (Space Jam OST)
Oct 07th 2014
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a maxwell jab in 2014????
Oct 07th 2014
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No news, however
Oct 07th 2014
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i dont get why the label doesnt put their foot down
Oct 07th 2014
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I'm not clear on whether there is a label at this point...
Oct 07th 2014
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Good point
Oct 08th 2014
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RE: i dont get why the label doesnt put their foot down
Oct 07th 2014
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      That's a pretty low threshold for 'genius,' I think.
Oct 08th 2014
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      not low if it's genius by the definition of his believers
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      I'm going to give you an out
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      RE: i dont get why the label doesnt put their foot down
Oct 08th 2014
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no 1 makes a grown man whine & cry like a bitch like dangelo does
Oct 08th 2014
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the album is no longer called James River btw
Oct 08th 2014
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i think it should be named after track 16 on this tape
Oct 08th 2014
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^^^^^^If nothing else ?uest, do look that kid up (DJ Harrison)
Oct 08th 2014
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      dude is like my musical hero at the moment
Oct 08th 2014
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           I REALLY want to see those cats have the platform their talent warrants
Oct 08th 2014
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                there's something in the water in Richmond
Oct 08th 2014
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just name this shit Chinese Theocracy & go full troll w/ it. nm
Oct 08th 2014
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the title isn't really relevant until it comes out.
Oct 08th 2014
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lol there aint no album, come on, stop
Oct 08th 2014
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old news
Oct 09th 2014
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We'll see another record from The Time before we see D'Tox released
Oct 08th 2014
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Premier's commentary was kind of cool, though
Oct 08th 2014
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it's amazing to me how Voodoo even received critical praise
Oct 08th 2014
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Im not sure you understand music
Oct 09th 2014
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cant we have a Dangelo thread where no one gets shot?
Oct 09th 2014
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decent piece minus the hyperbole and fluff
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1. "FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRST!"
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Over to all you other niggas.

  

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2. "And I was wondering what I was gonna read on the train."
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Thanks Gum!

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3. "*head explodes*"
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Put. The. Fucking. Record. Out. Or. Go. Away. Forever.

fuck you.

  

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4. "I wish Obama would do something about this."
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5. "Fix it, Jesus!"
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(c) Phaedra from Real Housewives of Atlanta.

fuck you.

  

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6. "Is it just me, or is this piece slightly... puffy?"
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It's definitely disjointed and incomplete-feeling.

Didn't really enjoy it that much. Didn't learn anything from it.

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7. "There you go, hating again."
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Get him, Coolidge!

  

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9. "Is it not suspicious that you posted up ####'s soundcloud"
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the week this article comes out?

things that make you go hmmm..

  

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10. "Everything is connected!"
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What do you think it's all leading to?

Maybe D is gonna Beyonce-drop the album any day now....

Or perhaps it will be inserted into the music files of all Zune users without their consent...

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14. "it was a dumb article"
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A lot of fluff, not much substance... but I'd prefer (at this point) that folks stop writing about D anyway. It doesn't just create hype, it also creates the impression of hype (which may be more destructive in the long run). No more D pieces until the album has a date.

I did find the tour manager's comment interesting, where she acknowledges working to create the "take it off" pulse that came through the Voodoo tour... while I think those stories blow it out of proportion, I do think that angle was probably really disturbing to the man...

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15. "He actively courted that kind of attention, though."
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>I did find the tour manager's comment interesting, where she
>acknowledges working to create the "take it off" pulse that
>came through the Voodoo tour... while I think those stories
>blow it out of proportion, I do think that angle was probably
>really disturbing to the man...

He willingly did that video, and I don't buy this revisionist casting of him as some kind of naif who didn't know what he was doing.

I went to the Voodoo concert and he was playing to the ladies heavy, coming out with roses and shit... I have to admit that I was even a bit annoyed by that level of "sangin' for the b**ches" at that point.

And does anybody remember the one post D ever made on OKP? It was more of that "Ladies come to my show cos I'm gonna make it real sexy for ya" rap...

I have never been able to swallow this tragic narrative of D, the serious musician who is baffled and bewildered by the fact that these shallow fans who followed him for the wrong reasons, unable to appreciate the genius of his art.

Actually, I've never liked the whole theme of blaming or condescending to the fans to various extent.... and there's more of that in this piece, really. Shit like saying that it's a good thing D didn't release the album 8 years ago because our puny brains would have exploded, unable to process the progressiveness of his genius.

Dude... It's okay. I'm sure we'll manage somehow.

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16. "i'm mixed on the whole thing..."
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>He willingly did that video, and I don't buy this revisionist
>casting of him as some kind of naif who didn't know what he
>was doing.

I've always read the video as intending to be both provocative *and* restrained, not merely lascivious... and while I don't think he went into it unknowingly, I can see how he quickly had regrets? Second thoughts? Because even if you don't think dude's a genius or whatever, it was pretty apparent that he and the others poured a lot of energy and effort into Voodoo, that he felt that he was practicing a craft. So while I think he courted that shit more than a bit, it's not hard to see him having second thoughts when he realized that a lot of folks probably weren't paying attention to that element of the record... that he'd become primarily a sex symbol, at least to some.

>I went to the Voodoo concert and he was playing to the ladies
>heavy, coming out with roses and shit... I have to admit that
>I was even a bit annoyed by that level of "sangin' for the
>b**ches" at that point.
>
>And does anybody remember the one post D ever made on OKP? It
>was more of that "Ladies come to my show cos I'm gonna make it
>real sexy for ya" rap...

lol... I don't remember that. And you're right about the Voodoo tour, although I will say that I remember the audience taking it to another level (saw him in DC).

>I have never been able to swallow this tragic narrative of D,
>the serious musician who is baffled and bewildered by the fact
>that these shallow fans who followed him for the wrong
>reasons, unable to appreciate the genius of his art.
>
>Actually, I've never liked the whole theme of blaming or
>condescending to the fans to various extent.... and there's
>more of that in this piece, really. Shit like saying that it's
>a good thing D didn't release the album 8 years ago because
>our puny brains would have exploded, unable to process the
>progressiveness of his genius.
>
>Dude... It's okay. I'm sure we'll manage somehow.

I think you're coming a little strong here, but I see what you're saying. I don't think the two angles are the same. The second is far less convincing (to me) than the first... that is, the whole "listeners aren't ready" is never a good line, and it does come off as patronizing.

But the former... I believe the former if only because it happens so often in the industry, talented folks who obviously take their shit very seriously get really discouraged when that talent seems overlooked. I think the narrative is manufactured w/D insofar as he got a shitload of critical acclaim for that record - which had to count for something. This wasn't Leonard Cohen in the late '70s, struggling to get even a review for work he was pouring his heart into. But I don't think the story is a complete fabrication... and it's probably been reinforced over the years by all the dumb press he's gotten for stupid shit (including his physique).

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19. "I don't think it's altogether a fabrication"
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I mean, if anything, that's one of the few things I got from this piece: a bunch of other people other than ?uest cosigning the story.

No, I don't think it's made up... but I do think it's a copout that's been exaggerated to mythic heights.

And frankly (and I know this is totally unfair of me), it's always seemed weak to me. Like, you say you're a musician and not a sex symbol? Why do those two things have to be mutually exclusive? Your hero Prince actively and deliberately elevated both of those things to epic levels of art.

Mark Jenkins' explanation of how quickly the physical transformation took place does lend some perspective, though (90 days? uh... can I sign up to his program, like NOW?) I understand how disconcerting it can be when one day you're just an average schlub and the next day you're an Adonis... it can be hard to process that kind of attention.

But again... none of that excuses the failure to release music. If your big argument is that you are a musician above all else, why is the one thing you should be most comfortable with the thing that is seemingly the hardest thing to do?

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20. "this."
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>But again... none of that excuses the failure to release
>music. If your big argument is that you are a musician above
>all else, why is the one thing you should be most comfortable
>with the thing that is seemingly the hardest thing to do?

  

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21. "RE: I don't think it's altogether a fabrication"
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>And frankly (and I know this is totally unfair of me), it's
>always seemed weak to me. Like, you say you're a musician and
>not a sex symbol? Why do those two things have to be mutually
>exclusive? Your hero Prince actively and deliberately elevated
>both of those things to epic levels of art.

They don't have to be, but they it's not hard to understand why they often are framed (persuasively) as such... after all, the last string of vids of him live posted here received a shitload of comments about his appearance, probably more than about the music (I'm not going to go back and count, so I could be wrong). It's not that the two have to be separate, but I can certainly recognize that sense of... being recognized for something more incidental to your conception of your art. But I get what you're saying...

>But again... none of that excuses the failure to release
>music. If your big argument is that you are a musician above
>all else, why is the one thing you should be most comfortable
>with the thing that is seemingly the hardest thing to do?

My thing is, no excuses really need to be made. I get annoyed with most of the D discussion because it has this premise that the album should have been out a long time ago. That's as much the hype machine's fault as fan discussions' fault. And sorry, there's no transcendent blueprint for how a musician/artist/anyone is *supposed* to function. I count myself (still) as a big fan of dude's music, but I'd be fine if he chose never to release anything ever again. Or if he doesn't release an album for another twenty years? Fine. I have no claim to what he does or does not do, and he's not the only talented guy in the world. (To be fair to D, he's weighed in on all of this very, very little... it's everyone around him that creates this obnoxious, continuous murmur.)


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22. "You can't blame people for commenting on his appearance"
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>They don't have to be, but they it's not hard to understand
>why they often are framed (persuasively) as such... after all,
>the last string of vids of him live posted here received a
>shitload of comments about his appearance, probably more than
>about the music (I'm not going to go back and count, so I
>could be wrong). It's not that the two have to be separate,
>but I can certainly recognize that sense of... being
>recognized for something more incidental to your conception of
>your art. But I get what you're saying...

When the last time most people say you was the "Untitled" video and then you walk up looking like Bonecrusher, it is definitely jarring.

But it's not even just because he's "supposed" to be a "sex symbol." If Tevin Campbell showed up in public at 300lbs it's gonna be shocking because a lot of people haven't seen him in years and he didn't look like that last time they did.

If D had been visible over the past decade and had packed on the pounds over the years, it wouldn't have been (as much of) a big deal. It's the fact that he's not been seen all this time.

And I guess it's not helped by the fact the general perception of him has been that he's been lazing around, pigging out and drinking like a fish all this time, either.

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24. "it's just a joke all around "
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The comeback failed 2 years ago because he tried that r&b Jesus is back crap and it failed.
No one knew the words to Playa Playa or Chicken Grease when he asked folks to sing along at the shows.
They wanted Untitled, Brown Sugar and Lady
Him and his crew need to face the music that no one (outside of here and a few other places) really care.
Life goes on and it has..
The window of opportunity was open and he walked right past it to buy the Ohio Players Greatest Hits next door.
As stated before, he should just go away and start a cover band in VA.



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25. "As they should, Brown Sugar has the SONGS"
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Voodoo has the vibe. We want those songs jack!

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27. "You sound bitter"
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There's absolutely nothing wrong w gigs like the Afropunk one. I got those first 4-5 tracks on repeat still. I especially loved their rendition of No Head segueing into Great Day.

Yes those gigs are missing new material. However they're very inspiring. More so then the Euro tour from 2011/12. He seemed a hell of a lot more comfortable here.

I'm hoping the Soulfest gigs will be more like the Afropunk one: less voodoo tour-ish, smaller band, improved setlist, some surprising arrangements and less emphasis on showmanship.

And I'm sure that album will find it's way out sooner or later. Genius or not, I'm sure D'Angelo is good for another dope record.

  

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29. "he tried that Afropunk shit on the BET Awards, killer."
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that's the performance homie referenced.

D's catalog and audience appreciation ain't deep enough that he could win over that crowd singing 15 yr old album tracks. that's the wake-up homie said D and his ppl seem to need.

fuck you.

  

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32. "^^^^"
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In order for this comeback to work and for the label and Liles (who i'm thinking is footing the bill) to make any $$ from this project, there needs to be a HIT in some shape or form
A glowing pitchfork review aint gonna pay the bills
Voodoo only sold because of the video.
That record was on it's way to the cut out bin next to Remy Shand and Davina.
In 2014 an r&b/soul/funk record or song crossing over is a long shot
Hell him getting on the blazing hip hop stations is a long shot

He really messed up by not striking 2 years ago
Folks were back to talking about him
But he took the wrong route
That essence fest performance and roland martin's (of all people) tweets summed up how folks outside of the okp bubble felt about it
That came and went and folks have moved on

These cover concerts would be cool if they were once in a while
But when your crew have you hyped up to be every single r&b great wrapped in one...it's sad
I really don't care to hear how he "freaked" such and such song.
Its too late in the day for the BS


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23. "this is the problem... if he wants to disappear then disappear"
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>(To be fair to D, he's weighed
>in on all of this very, very little... it's everyone around
>him that creates this obnoxious, continuous murmur.)

Having people continuously talk about what you're going to be releasing when you're not releasing shit is just a bad look.

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35. "RE: this is the problem... if he wants to disappear then disappear"
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I agree with this wholeheartedly. Unfortunately, too many people have too much invested in him to let that happen, probably...

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30. "Sorry but I hate shit like this:"
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>But the former... I believe the former if only because it
>happens so often in the industry, talented folks who obviously
>take their shit very seriously get really discouraged when
>that talent seems overlooked. I think the narrative is
>manufactured w/D insofar as he got a shitload of critical
>acclaim for that record - which had to count for something.
>This wasn't Leonard Cohen in the late '70s, struggling to get
>even a review for work he was pouring his heart into. But I
>don't think the story is a complete fabrication... and it's
>probably been reinforced over the years by all the dumb press
>he's gotten for stupid shit (including his physique).

There is a shitload of music, even entire genres, that never get any critical attention at all beyond the "genre-level", music that can still be successful or at least acclaimed by the people who matters (=the fans). As a guy raised on metal in the 80's I know exactly what I'm talking about. And R&B has a long tradition of artists that has received minimal acclaim and exposure from critics who can still tour and release music well-loved by a fairly large amount of people.

And while the current media-climate has led to a situation where even mainstream media has largely stopped reviewing music on a genre-basis (=the biggest acts as well as some personal favorites from the critic in question in a few relevant genres gets attention/reviews) and instead chose what music to review more on an "interesting music" (generally meaning "big event"-type albums combined with underground "cool" stuff) level, there are still a lot of even successful acts putting out records without much love or attention from "relevant" media.

That Leonard Cohen didn't get any attention for his records at the height of disco and punk-well, duh! There were artists infinitely more talented than Cohen's old rambling, miserable ass that received even less; I could name dozens of jazz-acts in the same era that suffered far worse.

Basically, the whole idea of not just getting but also *expecting* critical love and attention reeks of pomposity and false self-entitlement to me considering how much music there's out there; music made by acts that are bigger/hipper/younger/hotter/"more interesting"/you name it.

What acts like D'angelo (and Cohen for that matter) has is a fairly loyal fanbase, people who obviously didn't care about him not looking like the "Untitled"-video anymore on stage (those fans he should be happy to have lost i f it is indeed the music and "artistry" that matters); that is a luxury that the majority of musical acts don't have (let's be real; most acts aren't bigger or "more interesting" than their latest record)-it's *them* D'angelo and artists like him should make a record for and try to impress, not the fucking critics.

Actually, that those fans-no matter how few-still exist is kind of a mystery and something he should be grateful for. However, if he waits too long, they might not be there anymore and then, I don't think the critics with their oh so important acclaim and Sly/Jimi/Prince-comparisons will be there either...

  

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37. "RE: Sorry but I hate shit like this:"
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>There is a shitload of music, even entire genres, that never
>get any critical attention at all beyond the "genre-level",
>music that can still be successful or at least acclaimed by
>the people who matters (=the fans). As a guy raised on metal
>in the 80's I know exactly what I'm talking about. And R&B has
>a long tradition of artists that has received minimal acclaim
>and exposure from critics who can still tour and release music
>well-loved by a fairly large amount of people.

I'm not offering this as a *sound* rationale, but I think it's an understandable psychological situation that is hardly unique to D, or to the music industry. And while it's easy to say, from the outside, that there are plenty of chances for acclaim within given genre niches or loyalty groups, is it really that difficult to imagine why an artist would want to transcend that? But we're sort of getting off track here: my original point was that D *did* get the type of acclaim that I imagine he would have wanted from Voodoo. If he really felt that awkward about the whole sex symbol thing and wanted to try and rescue a more "serious" reception, he probably could have retooled his show, his presentation. My guess is the momentum, the rush, gave the whole scenario a mind and energy of its own...

>That Leonard Cohen didn't get any attention for his records at
>the height of disco and punk-well, duh! There were artists
>infinitely more talented than Cohen's old rambling, miserable
>ass that received even less; I could name dozens of jazz-acts
>in the same era that suffered far worse.

lol - so you don't like Cohen, that's cool. The example was ready-to-hand for me, not cherrypicked (I'm reading the I'm Your Man bio that came out a couple years ago). My point with Cohen's case was more about the fact that he always spent a great deal of time and energy working on his albums, which he took very seriously, but was never satisfied with the response. Sometimes this was justified, sometimes not... his album in '79 and especially in '85 ("Various Positions") received very tepid responses, even though he and others around him felt he was doing some of his best work. He even had trouble getting a US release of the latter... Columbia didn't release it until after he gained a critical resurgence following Warnes' tribute album and his "I'm Your Man."

All I was saying was that it's easier to see how someone who had received critical acknowledgment, if hesitant, could become quite depressed when that attention goes away or seems to become perfunctory.... D's case is different, in that Voodoo received a great deal of acclaim from the start.

>Basically, the whole idea of not just getting but also
>*expecting* critical love and attention reeks of pomposity and
>false self-entitlement to me considering how much music
>there's out there; music made by acts that are
>bigger/hipper/younger/hotter/"more interesting"/you name it.

Pompous or not, it's something that most artists who at some point *receive* that acclaim struggle with...

>What acts like D'angelo (and Cohen for that matter) has is a
>fairly loyal fanbase, people who obviously didn't care about
>him not looking like the "Untitled"-video anymore on stage
>(those fans he should be happy to have lost i f it is indeed
>the music and "artistry" that matters); that is a luxury that
>the majority of musical acts don't have (let's be real; most
>acts aren't bigger or "more interesting" than their latest
>record)-it's *them* D'angelo and artists like him should make
>a record for and try to impress, not the fucking critics.

In an ideal world, I absolutely agree with you. But this is not an ideal world, probably not even the best of all possible worlds, so...

>Actually, that those fans-no matter how few-still exist is
>kind of a mystery and something he should be grateful for.
>However, if he waits too long, they might not be there anymore
>and then, I don't think the critics with their oh so important
>acclaim and Sly/Jimi/Prince-comparisons will be there
>either...

Sure.

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11. "with grammy season gone....i'm 99.44 percent sure this record's not drop..."
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b/w songs were done in 2003 and 2004????!!!!!!!!!! FOH!!!

I'd really like to know who is footing this multi million dollar recording bill
and why the label is holding out on this BUM!!!

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17. "right??"
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fuck you.

  

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41. "pretty sure d'angelo fucked this guys mom "
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he is furious lol

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42. "Nothing funny about mentioning my mother!!!!"
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I'm on here stating the obvious in a humorous way like I always have
I ain't mad about no damn d'angelo
But for you to take it there is totally uncalled for even if you have an lol at the end...I don't play that shit!!!

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44. "oh jesus effing christ"
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nobody is worried about you or your mother

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45. "Show some respect and keep it moving!!!"
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48. "while George Duke play...she caught this *&^% like a bouquet"
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while you was in your room playing 2k

you gay...


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57. "yo, me & your mom 2 backing while you in the den, eating corn flakes"
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stfu, dork.

we dont know your mom. or you. you dont know me. or him. back off the ledge, & unbunch your thong. this is the internet.


does it really matter?

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60. "Which is my point...no need for it "
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I don't know you or him
But when you take it there...know that someone might take an offense to what you're saying
You don't know what Im going through that triggered that response
My mother could be going through some shit right now
And this dude on here making jokes
You as well
No need for you to respond
No need for him to to respond
Roll your eyes...call me names...insult me and my mother some more...do what you need to do and keep it moving

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78. "http://www.inspirefusion.com/media/2012/worlds_smallest_violin2.jpg"
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http://www.inspirefusion.com/media/2012/worlds_smallest_violin2.jpg

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46. "This is what I don't get."
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Wed Oct-08-14 12:20 PM by AFKAP_of_Darkness

  

          

Every time, it's always the same thing.

An article is about D'Angelo is published and made available for public consumption.

Members of the public on OKP comment upon the article and issues tied into it.

Other members of the public on OKP (usually the same ones every time) express discomfort with the notion of people commenting on said published article. They comb through the entire post, countering replies with insults and observations about how people are "mad" or "haters" or some stuff.

I'm convinced that D'Angelo fans would prefer that nobody made reference about him at all, at least until Nevruary 2054 when this fabled album finally drops.

I used to compare the D'iehards to evangelical Christians... but now I'm thinking they're more like radical Muslims who are read to cut your throat if you even invoke the name or image of their Prophet.

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47. "homie, you've been making the same tired arguments for..."
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years

anybody who has seen a D post in the last 10 years knows your steez

you don't like the dude, you take every opportunity you can to write essays about it even though you're regurgitating your talking points over and over and over

let it go, move the fuck on, seriously.

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49. "Actually, I don't dislike D or his music."
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This is exactly the inability to grasp nuance that is so common amongst the D'fenders.

Most of the posters here who regularly rake D over the coals here don't hate D. If anything, they're D fans who are frustrated and yes, maybe a little bit angry. There's nothing wrong with that.

What I don't understand is that if you know that me and others like me make the same posts over and over again.... why do you continue to come into the posts to complain?

You say they're "mad" but you're the one who looks "mad" at the fact that others are having a conversation they find interesting.

Looking at the front page of the Lesson, I could not tell you what is in 80% of the posts... because I tend not to click on shit that does not interest me.

>let it go, move the fuck on, seriously.

I think that you should probably move the fuck on... Let people talk about what they want to talk about. It's not something you're into? There's other posts here... you can find something that's more your speed.

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51. "RE: Actually, I don't dislike D or his music."
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>If anything, they're D fans who are
>frustrated and yes, maybe a little bit angry. There's nothing
>wrong with that.

yes there is

it's weird and possesive and stalkerish


>
>What I don't understand is that if you know that me and others
>like me make the same posts over and over again.... why do you
>continue to come into the posts to complain?

because i like making light of you guys, it's funny

>You say they're "mad" but you're the one who looks "mad" at
>the fact that others are having a conversation they find
>interesting.

i'm not writing essays, i'm jotting quick quips to continue to get under your skin and make you feel like the loser you are for obsessing over one artist's career trajectory

>Looking at the front page of the Lesson, I could not tell you
>what is in 80% of the posts... because I tend not to click on
>shit that does not interest me.
>
>>let it go, move the fuck on, seriously.
>
>I think that you should probably move the fuck on... Let
>people talk about what they want to talk about. It's not
>something you're into? There's other posts here... you can
>find something that's more your speed.

pretty sure i can post in whatever post i choose to post in, but thanks for the advice big dog.

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53. "RE: Actually, I don't dislike D or his music."
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>yes there is
>
>it's weird and possesive and stalkerish

That could be said about virtually any topic on this board or any conversation between obsessive music heads going on right now anywhere in the world. It's interesting how selective you are with your outrage over it, though.


>because i like making light of you guys, it's funny

Okay. As long as you are not making any pretensions to nobility and admitting that you're just trolling... Cool.


>i'm not writing essays, i'm jotting quick quips to continue to
>get under your skin and make you feel like the loser you are
>for obsessing over one artist's career trajectory

You're a bit obsessed with my obsession, though.

Regardless of whether you write "an essay" or 5 lines, you're still thinking about it enough to even comment on it. And doing so consistently.

You're as much part of the pattern as anyone else.


>pretty sure i can post in whatever post i choose to post in,
>but thanks for the advice big dog.

Cool. Post wherever you want to post but the above-it-allness is pretty disingenuous... you're a part of the cycle too.

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54. "we are all part of the cycle my brother"
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55. "As long as you recognize that. nm"
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69. "lol..."
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>Most of the posters here who regularly rake D over the coals
>here don't hate D.

it ain't plural bruh..... you're an army of 1...

  

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70. "And you're a lone soldier on a neverending mission"
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of exploring the outer regions of my anus.

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71. "lol..."
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I'll leave that type of exploring to you player...


  

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67. "But it's okay for D fans to make the same tired arguments for 10 years?"
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The nigga ain't dropped an album in 14 years. Yet we gotta read these same tired ass articles that reveal nothing new once per season. The only thing we want to see or hear from D is his album. No more articles with his friends talking about how great he is when there's no new music to back it up. Put the album out or shut the fuck up already!

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73. "no argument to make beyond y'all are weirdly hurt over the guy"
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>The nigga ain't dropped an album in 14 years. Yet we gotta
>read these same tired ass articles that reveal nothing new
>once per season.

wait, you "gotta read" what now?

oh, this isn't a clockwork orange? no one is forcing you to read anything?


The only thing we want to see or hear from D
>is his album.

tell me more about what he owes you...

Kweli just wrote a response to your bizarre obsession, it was about Lauryn but it's pretty much the same subject

No more articles with his friends talking about
>how great he is when there's no new music to back it up. Put
>the album out or shut the fuck up already!


his "friends" are talking but he needs to stfu?

you guys really need fo let it go, stop paying attention/don't click or read articles like this

or you can continue getting mad

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74. "And of course, the same could be said of you with these posts."
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>you guys really need fo let it go, stop paying attention/don't
>click or read articles like this
>
>or you can continue getting mad
>
>your choice

(It probably didn't need to be said again, but I did anyway)

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75. "yeah this is established but it's still different in quality"
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im confident folks are smart enough to see that

Dangelo doesn't owe you me or anyone else a damn thing, sorry

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76. "He definitely owes his record company."
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>Dangelo doesn't owe you me or anyone else a damn thing, sorry

And that's why articles like this continue to get published... because they're trying to figure out how to recoup the millions that have been poured into his ass.

And as long as articles like this are published, we shall have cause to discuss them... and thus, discuss *him*

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77. "hey, if you want to act like a vagina who am i to stop you?"
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79. "It's hilarious how personal the shit is with you, though."
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I mean, truly hilarious.

Why are you so pressed about what people talk about?

Personally I don't fully understand the constant anal deconstructions of Dilla posts on this board 10 years after his death.

I don't get it. I'm not interested in it.

So when I see posts dedicated to that, I generally ignore them. I recognize some people *do* wanna talk about that... Let them cook and eat their fill.

*YOU* see people talking about some shit that you feel is not a worthy topic of discussion... rather than ignoring it and looking for a conversation that does engage you, you invade the discussion and make post after post insulting people's mothers and calling them vaginas.

Over a music discussion.

That you are supposedly not interested in.



Seriously... from an objective point of view, who is really engaging in bitch-like behavior in the above scenario?

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80. "damn that vagina is leaky as fuck bro"
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i'm clowning you in the greatest sense of the hip-hop tradition

you're writing essays because a new article came out about an artist you supposedly wrote off years ago



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12. "RE: he is playing down here"
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in australia in a couple of weeks. I'll let you guys know if he shows up (and plays new material)...

  

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13. "I Found My Smile Again was from 96 (Space Jam OST)"
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Other than that, interesting read. Gonna see him at a festival this month, hoping for a killer show.

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18. "a maxwell jab in 2014????"
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That is so 1998
Max has his own lane

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26. "No news, however"
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This marks the first time they officially point at D for keeping the record hostage (not counting all of Quest's tweets and posts).

Why say this now? Seems pointless aside from saving face for all those empty promises year after year after year after year after year.

They still got me waiting on this record though LOL

  

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28. "i dont get why the label doesnt put their foot down "
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and just tell him there is no more time. IF the record is ready, that is. even warners in the 80s were able to tell prince he couldnt make sign o the times a triple. i dont see why dangelos current label cant do the same. he hasnt made them THAT much money for him to dictate to them (unless hes walking around all the time with the master tapes in the back of his car or whatever).

what artists like dangelo - who cant stop tinkering (if that really is the reason for the delay) - need, is a deadline. cos otherwise there will be no finish date.

other than that, i didnt learn much new from this article. i think the lesson could have written in the quotes ourselves, weve heard it all so many times before. (i think i might even have written this exact same comment before).

i think christgau might have the right perspective. dangelo is very talented, but hes not a genius. he might have some genius moments, but ive not really heard anything to make me think he himself deserves that title yet. and the reason for that, IMO, is that he wont let himself fail. he is so obsessed with living up to The Greats (please never let me read this phrase in relation to dangelo again) that to fuck up even slightly and prove that he might NOT be one of The Greats is too scary and too big a risk to contemplate. but every genius from hendrix to JB to prince gave themselves the space to fail (which is why they often werent that consistent). being creative is giving yourself the chance to fuck up (ie take risks) a little bit. dangelo cant allow himself this, but he needs to. it must be hard being dangelo. hes michael jackson before hes even made his thriller.

  

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31. "I'm not clear on whether there is a label at this point..."
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They've always kept the business affairs pretty quiet, but I don't think whoever was footing the compilation and My Smile re-release is still holding out so many years later...

  

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34. "Good point"
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There's nobody from the label quoted here.

It's always the manager-of-the-moment issuing statements about the record.

Makes you wonder...

  

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33. "RE: i dont get why the label doesnt put their foot down "
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Yeah, when you think on the matter, a lack of output and an unwillingness to show progress or fail are pretty damning. Meshell N. deserves a genius moniker imo, for she has a VERY consistent and regular output, she tours with a wide variety of musicians, toys with genre and convention.

D'Angelo is interesting and I agree with Christgau's evaluation of him. D'Angelo has a creative spirit and it shows that he thinks deeply on music and what he wants to do. Of course, being a 40+ year old man who hasn't dropped an album in almost 15 years and is trying to revitalize a Funk aesthetic or neo-soul aesthetic (neither of which have been flourishing in the last decade), D'Angelo is going against the grain to his detriment.

I know we haven't received this much-rumored album yet, but even in terms of looking ahead, would this be D'angelo's last relevant effort? Should he release another album, which he would most likely want to have an impact, what would it mean for a 45 or 50+ or whatever year old dude trying to 'turn the game on its head' or whatever. He seems to operate too freely within a VERY narrow comfort zone. He's very much dated and it is to a certain fault- I mean, I think 15 mentioned the dude was trying to find floppies of music and his intention to stay true to an older aesthetic is much less endearing now, than it would've been in 2004.

Whenever he releases whatever, I'm sure I'll enjoy it and buy it and play it for years to come. I understand that he's had his struggles, but shit. He needs to release this album and move on- a decade is a LONG time to just sit with the same old material.

  

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36. "That's a pretty low threshold for 'genius,' I think."
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>Meshell N. deserves a genius moniker imo, for she has a VERY
>consistent and regular output, she tours with a wide variety
>of musicians, toys with genre and convention.

I'd say what you described is just a competent working professional musician. And ain't a damn thing wrong with that.

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40. "not low if it's genius by the definition of his believers "
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After reading this i wonder what it would be like if Leeds, Quest and the others put their time and energy behind someone else like Meshell or Van Hunt for example.

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43. "I'm going to give you an out"
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>>Meshell N. deserves a genius moniker imo, for she has a
>VERY
>>consistent and regular output, she tours with a wide variety
>>of musicians, toys with genre and convention.
>
>I'd say what you described is just a competent working
>professional musician. And ain't a damn thing wrong with that.

You're criticizing his qualifiers not doubting meshelle right?


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38. "RE: i dont get why the label doesnt put their foot down "
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nothing wrong with sticking to his old aesthetic. if daft punk can make a 70s record, albeit in a slightly knowingly, smartly cheesy way, whos to say dangelo cant? dangelo doesnt need to be 'relevant'. maxwell and sade release records with long breaks in between, dont really do much press, they just sell to a hardcore base, dangelo would probably be the same. nothing wrong with that, though maybe thats not what someone who as you say, probably is thinking to himself that he wants to 'turn the game on his head', wants.

either way, this guy still isnt releasing a note! and i am bored of all this romanticising of the tortured artist, which i think dangelo has bought into himself. maybe his new issue is that if he does actually release an album, he wont be the poor, painfully tortured artist anymore lol. he might be onto a good thing - speculation that you could be one of The Greats vs having something which actually enables being judged against The Greats. hmmm, i know which one is the easier option.

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39. "no 1 makes a grown man whine & cry like a bitch like dangelo does"
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it's sad and hilarious at the same time

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50. "the album is no longer called James River btw"
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NO! LIST
Tom Petty
M J
Zeppelin
Springsteen
Neil Young
Eagles
Ray Charles
Madonna
Chuck Berry
South Park TV Songs
Justin Timberlake
"Food Glorious Food"
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"Night Moves"
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52. "i think it should be named after track 16 on this tape"
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http://www.thrashflow.com/product/dj-harrison-and-soundgenesis-goldrush

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56. "^^^^^^If nothing else ?uest, do look that kid up (DJ Harrison) "
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Multi-instrumentalist out of Richmond. He and his partner have a label called Jellowstone that recently inked a deal with Ropeadope Records. He plays keys for the band Butcher Brown, who collaborated with Nicolas Payton on his most recent project 'Numbers'. He loves y'all dudes, and has even recreated some of those Voodoo (jam) session joints...all by himself!

Funky Drummer: https://soundcloud.com/#djharrison-1/funky-drummer-james-brown

"Pete Rock": https://soundcloud.com/#djharrison-1/pete-rock-dangelo-cover

No street team-o

>http://www.thrashflow.com/product/dj-harrison-and-soundgenesis-goldrush
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59. "dude is like my musical hero at the moment"
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he said on twitter his next LP's going to be on some indie rock ish, should be interesting

EVERYONE should check out the Jellowstone Booster Pack V 1 compilation, i think it costs a couple of bucks but it's one of the better comps i've ever heard honestly. lots of jazz on it.

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61. "I REALLY want to see those cats have the platform their talent warrants"
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DJ Harrison especially. But I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with the label. I know the Butcher Brown release is in a couple of weeks.

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62. "there's something in the water in Richmond"
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mad talent there

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58. "just name this shit Chinese Theocracy & go full troll w/ it. nm"
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does it really matter?

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66. "the title isn't really relevant until it comes out."
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and that just doesn't seem like it's ever gonna happen.

  

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68. "lol there aint no album, come on, stop"
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72. "old news"
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just like the entire article.

  

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63. "We'll see another record from The Time before we see D'Tox released"
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and they took a 21-year hiatus

we saw MF DOOM come out of hiding for at least 2 albums, Madvillainy 2 is likely going to come out before this record

Christgau hit the nail on the head, and so did SoWhat

I like D'Mumblo like anyone else on this site, but either shit or get off the motherfuckin pot at this point, dogg

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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64. "Premier's commentary was kind of cool, though"
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I know he's done quite a few remixes before hopping on with "Devil's Pie", always wondered how that connection happened

  

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65. "it's amazing to me how Voodoo even received critical praise"
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Like...that album is damn near a mess imo. I try to replay it often and it sounds like a bunch of mumbling, whispering outtakes.

D is such a polarizing figure. Similar to 3000 in that fans clamor and he's somewhat of a perfectionist and dipped in his 'prime' but so dissimilar in that 3000 does SOMETHING.

I doubt this album ever comes out. I feel bad for people heavily invested in him. I wonder if he asks people to speak on his behalf

  

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81. "Im not sure you understand music"
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RE: it's amazing to me how Voodoo even received critical praise
>Like...that album is damn near a mess imo. I try to replay it
>often and it sounds like a bunch of mumbling, whispering
>outtakes.

  

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82. "cant we have a Dangelo thread where no one gets shot?"
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83. "decent piece minus the hyperbole and fluff"
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it didnt really say much we havent learned over the years already

and Im not holding my breath for a 3rd album

Kevin Liles saying "album this year" and quest saying "better than voodoo" is what they need to believe to keep the hype going

  

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