most of the rappers who lived through the white dollar boom period of 96-01 have kept releasing music and performing unlike the generation of rappers who preceded them whom were mostly considered washed up by about 25 and had the dignity to just stop releasing music entirely by about 28.

rapping used to be a young man's game.
but in the 00's - that obviously changed.

in the mid-00's the idea of a 40 year old rapper was still little more than a comedic suggestion.
people would laugh at mc shan, krs and other rappers of the 80's who dared to try to still release music and dismiss them as nothing more than hilarious "irrelevancies".
but when people like jay-z and many of the other rappers who found popularity in the 1990's actually turned 40 years old and were still rapping - it became normalized.

so, where do we draw the line today?
jay and many of his contemporaries are slowly inching their way towards 50.

are you willing to seriously entertain the idea of a 50 or 60 year old rapper?
ok, how about a 70 or 80 year old rapper?
where do you draw the line in 2014?
...or do you not even draw the line anymore?

i maintain most rappers over the age of 30-32 should probably concede that THEIR time to make it happen has passed, hang it up and move on to something else in life...

because after that age - you're really just pretending to be young and hoping to god nobody that's actually young pulls your card.

but i have no doubt that as long as people will still pay to watch them, you will see somebody like sadat-x performing "the lump-lump" in front of 80 people in estonia in 2036.

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Talking about him and Dre doing the 50 year anniversary of the Chronic, with him in a Wheelchair on Daytons, with all gray braids.

I really do wonder. Like, even though we don't expect Frankie Beverly, Stevie, or Aretha to sound AS good live anymore...we don't mind hearing them, and their fans still go to their shows. With rappers....like, even if Jay is seen as a complete icon...would you even want to see him rapping at 70?

One thing that people don't realize though...is that by the mid 90's, Rap styles got to a point that evolution wasn't nearly as drastic as before. So rappers who came out in the late 90's can still sound decent on a modern song....Jay, Fat Joe, Lil Wayne, even Mase has a new song that he arguably sounds ok on, using the same flow he had then! But imagine ANY rapper from the 80's, save for maaaaybe a Rakim, using their same flow from 88 even in 2000. It ONLY worked on the "Let's get married" remix.

Now, with Mystikal, Nelly, Ja Rule, and others...their sounds are marked TOO MUCH into their own era, so even when they kill a modern song, it just feels dated as shit, and we can't get into it.

So with that said...that's a major reason to why older rappers can get a pass. Even if we hate Jay on "Drunk in love" it's for sure not horrible or dated...if it was, it wouldn't even be something people in the club would rap along to.

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similar to the 1980s?

that rapping was more akin to the early-mid 80's than the 90's.
nobody was talking about it as outdated.

and if you decide to do so it says more about you than it does a rapper
if a rapper can still rap, then they need to do the shit
hell Chuck D is almost 6o and he can still rap with the best of them

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You're right, if someone holds as ignorant of an opinion as the OP the. It says a lot more about them and it's not worth the time.

hang up my hip-hop fandom . if you can still rap, rap.

i wanna hear geriatric rap when i'm on my walker

that's going to be cool with you?

Tons of young rappers that suck, and more than a few older rappers that are phenomenal
I draw the line with talent, not age

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>Tons of young rappers that suck, and more than a few older
>rappers that are phenomenal
>I draw the line with talent, not age

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>and if you decide to do so it says more about you than it
>does a rapper
>if a rapper can still rap, then they need to do the shit
>hell Chuck D is almost 6o and he can still rap with the best
>of them


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on some levels, i would think the technical stuff can always improve, wisdom deepens, the english language is further explored, there would be more experience to draw on, etc... but who knows, maybe the inspiration dies too? i dunno, i'm young.. but if they still actually *care* about the art, i see zero reason why MCs can't rock it till the wheels fall off completely... painters and novelists and filmmakers and singers do it.. even *thinking* that MCs can't just puts shit in too much of a box and that's never a good thing, imo

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made by rappers who are older now but made the material you're listening to when they were in the 20's?

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i understand the "sit your old ass down" sentiment, to a degree.
but i have a problem if that sentiment is only attached to black music artists.

i think it comes from the assumption that black music
is supposed to be fleeting, for the moment, and disposable.

music is a young person's game anyway.
but in rock there is a space for legacy acts that are irrelevant
aside from their millions of fans.

if rock acts can have that, rappers should have it too.
i'm glad some of them do.


>most of the rappers who lived through the white dollar boom
>period of 96-01 have kept releasing music and performing
>unlike the generation of rappers who preceded them whom were
>mostly considered washed up by about 25 and had the dignity to
>just stop releasing music entirely by about 28.
>
>rapping used to be a young man's game.
>but in the 00's - that obviously changed.
>
>in the mid-00's the idea of a 40 year old rapper was still
>little more than a comedic suggestion.
>people would laugh at mc shan, krs and other rappers of the
>80's who dared to try to still release music and dismiss them
>as nothing more than hilarious "irrelevancies".
>but when people like jay-z and many of the other rappers who
>found popularity in the 1990's actually turned 40 years old
>and were still rapping - it became normalized.
>
>so, where do we draw the line today?
>jay and many of his contemporaries are slowly inching their
>way towards 50.
>
>are you willing to seriously entertain the idea of a 50 or 60
>year old rapper?
>ok, how about a 70 or 80 year old rapper?
>where do you draw the line in 2014?
>...or do you not even draw the line anymore?

You wouldn't have Rick Ross, 2 Chainz, Jay-z, Jay Electronica and a bunch of other rappers if that was the cut off..

The same way that a 15 yr old can score a hit with the new tools given to him a 40 yr old with some savvy can do the same..

I mean shit Too Short out here 50+ still touring. I'd argue that he didn't get his biggest club record until late 40s

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>You wouldn't have Rick Ross, 2 Chainz, Jay-z, Jay Electronica
>and a bunch of other rappers if that was the cut off..

jay "retired" at 33.
most of the material that anybody likes by him was made before that, so i wouldn't count him amongst those other guys.

>I mean shit Too Short out here 50+ still touring. I'd argue
>that he didn't get his biggest club record until late 40s

how many platinum albums did too short make in the late 80s-mid 90s?

i think that sorta disproves that suggestion.

>how many platinum albums did too short make in the late
>80s-mid 90s?
>
>i think that sorta disproves that suggestion.

after you turn 30, its not like you care about any of that shit so i dont see how thats a factor

Reasonable Doubt you mean?

Of course that's an awesome album but many folks like The Blueprint and The Black Album as well..

Let Star (star & buckwild) tell it.. him and Jay are the same age which would mean Reasonable Doubt dropped when Jay was 32...

And regardless that ALSO means that 50 year old Dr dre was 28/29 when the Chronic dropped and 30+ when Doggystyle and everything else he has done dropped

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>Reasonable Doubt you mean?
>
>Of course that's an awesome album but many folks like The
>Blueprint and The Black Album as well..

he was <32 when he made blueprint.
32/33 when he made black album.

and dre didn't rap on doggystyle.

he did on chronic 2001, but made sure he had 3 guests on every song.

Like I said IF you believe star.. Jay is about to be 50..

Everyone in this game lies about their age so who knows..

Every person you THINK is a certain age assume they were 2-3 yrs older..

Even in the most basic sense that back in the day you would get signed and for however long is takes to make an album you basically stay that age..

I mean I know some colleagues that celebrate fake birthday ages EVERY year.. so

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I dont care how old he is....

I said "If you believe Star"

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back in the early 90s, RUND DMC looked run dwon, and they had all of hip hop bowing to them, but were looked at as having nothing left.....they were 28.


The same thing was thought when Tribe quit. they were 28.

Tupac called De La old on his last album. they were in their late 20s.

Then Jay started to hit at 26, and as he has remained relevant, he has raised the bar. we listen to 40 plus rappers because of Jay, whether u like him or not. we will listen to 50 something rappers in a few because of him.

Guru was lying about his age during this time. he died at 47.
, but around his mid thirties when Moment of Truth came out.


I think HIP HOP is ART. and art doesnt stop coming at a certain age. If you enjoy Black Thought of today in his early 40s, be happy because 23 year old BT couldnt have written this stuff.


I think that HIP HOP shouldnt have an age limit. I think that HIP HOP needs to grow up so that we can keep hearing the well written testimonies that men and women of experience can write.

with almost any popular music, is the largest market 24 and younger? yes.

But, if there was a strong marketing plan for everyday man/woman raps and a way to capture the large amount of 35+ people who still listen to stuff but are waning, then you can make a fair amount of change. if its not comical, i think it can work for years to come. But America worries too much about age and what other people think so it will be a missed opportunity.

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whatever the market will bear

(busta i'm looking at you)they can keep rapping until they 70 as far as i'm concerned

Both are about to hit 40

If you're rapping about the same shit at 40 than you did at 25, that's a problem

I thought the last Nas album was fantastic

Haven't heard the new Mega but everyone seems to love it

De La - The Grind Date

I have no issues with grown-man rap if you're rapping about grown-man shit. Some rappers will always have their go-tos/crutches, but I'd say that "old-man rap" is being done better now than ever

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you are right
45 yr old rappers in the 80s and 90s would be laughed at
now people rationalize it.....because they are in their 40s their damn selves
to me the only thing sadder than having 40+ yr old rappers
is the fact that they are the best rappers save for a few young exceptions
will i listen to 50-60 yr old rappers?
i hope not. it would probably mean the art form isn't evolving enough to keep me interested in new perspectives.
if that ever does happen i could see them being in the same lane as new edition is now
tons of ppl still go to their concerts wearing linen suits and sandals
but for the most part it's kind of joke

>now people rationalize it.....because they are in their 40s
>their damn selves

is this an issue though? God willing...you're gonna get older too. will you look at it as "rationalizing" it or just realizing that you're still a person who enjoys music and the musicians that you grew up listening to?

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This weird fixation with rappers' personal lives is a relatively recent phenomena. I didn't know whether Dre and them were gangsters or not when NWA came out. Et cetera.

esp. LL, I didn't think he was a teenager for real

which goes hand in hand
for a long time rap was a young man's game
back in the day 30 + people were like get that rap shit out of here
straight R & B, straight R & B...(c)

because they didn't grow up with it, they didn't understand it
We did. We grew up with it. I was a little kid listening to Run DMC and LL in the 80s.

the early to mid-90s golden age, we were in HS and college. Most rappers from that era were a few years older than us at the time. I was a senior in HS and Nas was 20 when Illmatic dropped, so of course I could relate: "I'ma addict for sneakers, twenties of buddah and bitches with beepers."

Nowadays a HS senior is looking at Nas like: FOH old head!

And as has been alluded to in this thread, entertainment industry people lie about their age. Been lying about their age. Charlamagne was calling out Funk Flex for being damm near 50 and still playing for the kids on the radio. But you never hear Flex talk about his age; cuz of course he's trying to stay "relevant" and "in the streets" instead of grooming the next generation, and moving behind the scenes to run shit.

Jay may or may not be near 50 also but I remember hearing him on the originators back in 91-92, and in his own book he says he was trying to get put on since the mid to late 80s. When the tongue twisting super fast fu schnickens flow didn't work for him, he switched up and we all know the rest. So, in the late 80s- early 90s, was he a high school kid trying to run with the big dogs? FOH.

Yes, Chi Ali, Kriss Kross, and Mobb Deep were out and they were kid rappers, but nobody talked about them in the same breath as Rakim, BDK, Ice Cube, and the others who were on top at the time. Kid rappers back then were a novelty act.

For me as long as the music is dope I don't care how old they are

Springsteen releases an album of new material tomorrow, and U2 and Rolling Stones do as well, the only thing that will come up is "where can I find it?"

Rock N Roll has been able to split into all of these lanes and they are all profitable.

My 23 yr old niece is happy about Prince releasing new stuff.


but with hip hop......we cant just let the talent be. we have to beef, we have to dress a certain way, we have to attach money to it, and all this negative bullshit.

Who cares if Jay is lyin about his age? He just opened a arena with 8 sold out shows.

42 year old eminem just sold out wembley. Europe doesnt give a shit and buys up PE tickets. we just look at Flav as the reality tv dude and tell him to move on. America is fucked up.

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>42 year old eminem just sold out wembley. Europe doesnt give
>a shit and buys up PE tickets. we just look at Flav as the
>reality tv dude and tell him to move on. America is fucked
>up.

and spitting "Fuck you, mom! I don't wanna do my homework!"-type raps

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for the most part.

But that "Fuck the world" shit Eminem has branded as his primary perspective in his music is particularly adolescent.

Now, ask me why I find it jarring from Eminem while I don't necessarily feel that way when 80+-year old Chuck Berry still sings songs about being a teenager and shit like that.

(There is a difference, btw... and I know what it is)


EDIT: Just clicked your link... To be honest, I also feel embarrassed for geriatric rebels like Iggy Pop and the Rolling Stones going through the motions of raging against the system when they know good and goddamn well that they are fully a part of the same system and have been for many years

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Nobody's saying The Rolling Stones need to start singing about getting a pensioner's check. LMAO.


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i mean.....really? America takes itself too seriously. the beauty of music, art, or entertainment is that u can choose.

plus, as much as Em is an artist, like ANY rapper he caters to what the audience wants. people keep buying "hate your mom" raps, then hes gonna spit it. people dont even know what em they want anyway. If he was spitting his '99 shit, people would still complain.

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It's just that I am generally in Em's age range and I've grown up with him (so to speak... I'm not really a "fan" per se) it's kind of disturbing and even embarrassing to still hear him rapping like he's a disaffected teenager.

(Considering that he was like 26 when he blew up, it was actually kind of odd even back then...but it's not gotten any better)

I don't doubt that he has matured a great deal in his personal life but I wouldn't mind hearing some of that in his art as well...

If anything, to me it comes off as an artistic failure. A kind of complacency that makes an artist decide to just keep doing the same shit that's worked for 20 years rather than taking the risk of offering new material, new themes, etc.

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>If anything, to me it comes off as an artistic failure. A kind
>of complacency that makes an artist decide to just keep doing
>the same shit that's worked for 20 years rather than taking
>the risk of offering new material, new themes, etc.

sorta makes you question that if he's not making music to express anything actually relevant to who he is today - why he bothers continuing to go through the motions...

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2840333

And I don't even think there's anything wrong with it per se... this is a business after all; why fuck with a formula that works.

It's just really odd for me to see a man in his 40s being like that. At least Jay-Z found a way to grow up in hip-hop.

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>And I don't even think there's anything wrong with it per
>se... this is a business after all; why fuck with a formula
>that works.
>
>It's just really odd for me to see a man in his 40s being like
>that. At least Jay-Z found a way to grow up in hip-hop.

i don't know.
what happened with jay is he developed an inferiority complex to White businessmen somewhere in his 30's.

seeing himself as a "rapper" started to feel some type of way.
similar to the way kanye started seeing himself as a popstar and not the brooding "artiste" he desired to be.

so jay bought some suits and pretended he was some kind of businessman himself (he's not btw).

the rest is history.
he had a forbes cover with warren buffet. lol.

ut when album time comes around he still pops up dressed like he's 20-something.

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You don't think Jay raps in a more "mature" manner (relatively speaking, anyway... this is still hip-hop)

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i mean he tries to inject enough of his actual life into his music to stave off critics."BLU - DUST YA SHOULDERS OFF!!" or whatever bullshit he was saying on his last album.but he's constantly going back to "the streets" in his lyrics.using him selling crack as his go-to cliche way to remain in rapport with Black culture/the youth.by all accounts (klein, dehaven) he was always into rapping rather than moving jumbs.remember when he made that album "inspired" by american gangster the film that had little to nothing at all to do with frank lucas or american gangster but was filled with drug raps?what a disgusting ploy that was...i see what he's doing. i can't be the only one.

every other time, jay is the super hustler
that never loses...
the guy that always wins.

he even had a song on the blueprint where he apologized to his girl
for being so awesome. and he didn't even apologize-- the song did.

on AG, the protagonist takes losses.
the protagonist is vulnerable. insecure. scared. angry.
you know, like a human.

the ploy is that he did it via the alter-ego of frank lucas,
so he can brush it off as not being him.

but it's his most "sincere" album.
you're wrong again.


>i mean he tries to inject enough of his actual life into his
>music to stave off critics."BLU - DUST YA SHOULDERS OFF!!" or
>whatever bullshit he was saying on his last album.but he's
>constantly going back to "the streets" in his lyrics.using him
>selling crack as his go-to cliche way to remain in rapport
>with Black culture/the youth.by all accounts (klein, dehaven)
>he was always into rapping rather than moving jumbs.remember
>when he made that album "inspired" by american gangster the
>film that had little to nothing at all to do with frank lucas
>or american gangster but was filled with drug raps?what a
>disgusting ploy that was...i see what he's doing. i can't be
>the only one.

went out in 95. yeah, the roots kinda do it but really/ everybody is a super hero these days that never falls in love or gets hurt, isnt scared of anything, etc.

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if you look at the biggest rappers between 00-04,
you still had rappers took losses sometimes

eminem made a career out of being a guy that
took losses.

DMX took losses.
outkast took losses.
hell, even 50 cent took losses. (although HIS only vulnerable verse was
on the game's song... "hate it or love it.")
looking beyond 04, kanye took losses.

i mean yeah, bragging is a part of hip hop.
but jay is like, the only rapper i can think of that never had
anything go wrong for him on his songs for at least a decade.

even the song "regrets" is about how OTHER ppl took losses.
never him.







>went out in 95. yeah, the roots kinda do it but really/
>everybody is a super hero these days that never falls in love
>or gets hurt, isnt scared of anything, etc.
>

Drake is arguably the biggest rapper out right now, his entire steez is vulnerable. Kendrick shows vulnerability. Kanye shows vulnerability. Tyler is vulnerable. Danny Brown. It goes on. Even if vulnerability isn't the default, it's not played out at all

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even on reasonable doubt he was a politician.
he was probably good at selling drugs b/c he was a good politician.

he never strikes me as somebody that believes
even half of what is coming out of his mouth, even on RD.

in that way, he has not changed.
he traded one mask for another.


btw, i like a lot of dudes catalouge.

him doing "Love the way you Lie" aint a repeat of something else.......................

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but the general thematic trajectory is pretty much the same.

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>>42 year old eminem just sold out wembley
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>and spitting "Fuck you, mom! I don't wanna do my
>homework!"-type raps


his music is kind of done from the perspective of an adult father who realizes he has a legacy of making extremely juvenile art that he personally has grown past, but still has to deal with being known for that work.
Yeah, I think a lot of his stuff is childish, and he still writes in a rebellious tone (fanbase, though), but his entire last album was kind of trying to reconcile his work with being a 42 year old man who's grown up and has to deal with the juvenile shit that made him famous.
He does the "grown man" rap that you would have expected him to eventually move on to.

>>>42 year old eminem just sold out wembley
>...
>>and spitting "Fuck you, mom! I don't wanna do my
>>homework!"-type raps
>
>
>his music is kind of done from the perspective of an adult
>father who realizes he has a legacy of making extremely
>juvenile art that he personally has grown past, but still has
>to deal with being known for that work.
>Yeah, I think a lot of his stuff is childish, and he still
>writes in a rebellious tone (fanbase, though), but his entire
>last album was kind of trying to reconcile his work with being
>a 42 year old man who's grown up and has to deal with the
>juvenile shit that made him famous.
>He does the "grown man" rap that you would have expected him
>to eventually move on to.

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rappers should do it until they want to stop or do something else, but not solely because of age.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

respect to the younger heads,but its like me listening to beiber. Certain music is geared towards the younger heads and I need some music that I vibe with for my age. I can't be bumpin some teenage aggression taking my drive to the grocery store, shit.

we keep it moving,

I also think that the idea that rap shouldn't be done past a certain age gives credence to the idea that rap isn't a serious art form.

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>I also think that the idea that rap shouldn't be done past a
>certain age gives credence to the idea that rap isn't a
>serious art form.
>
>People dont say you should stop painting at 30

how much does lyricism matter in rapping these days?
how much does pushing the boundaries on different rhyme schemes/patterns?

you know why these things don't matter despite the fact they are integral parts of the medium of rapping?

because being a rapper, the #1 attribute in relation to your success is being "cool".

how you dress, your promo pictures and web presence, who you're affiliated with, how successful you are monetarily, your chick, where you're seen partying, the social status of the people who like and recommend your music.

these things have nothing to do with rapping.
yet they have everything to do with modern rappers.

so yes, in the field of rap, with "coolness" trumping the actual rapping itself in the eyes of most "fans" - there is an age limit.

it is simply not cool to be 35/45/55/65/75 years old pretending to be 25.
it's a young man's game and people who choose to "take a 5th year" are just praying to god that nobody actually calls them out for being 37 year old men who are still trying to capture the minds and/or rub elbows with people in their early 20's.

George Clooney cooler than most folks.. same with Brad Pitt.. they are 50+

And again..

aside from Kendrick and Drake.. all the top rappers are 35+ so..

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i'm sorry george clooney and brad pitt are not cool at all by Black standards.

Denzel is...

and he's basically 60

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in the arena of rap music aka young Black culture, denzel washington is about as cool as ron howard in that jamie foxx video.

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/365220/picture-6.png

if these guys were actually "cool" to anybody young - why don't music executives just make the music themselves?

ASAP Rocky and crew are probably the "coolest" young folks out..

But the Canadian child actor who is all parts uncool (except for music) sells the records and owns the club

2 Chainz was "cool" at 38 when he started poppin

anything new is cool for a time..

Kanye is still commanding the most attention at 37ish and people are still waiting for whatever new shit he drops.. so much so he can own the realtime chart with an iphone recording of an unfinished song..

There have been 10+ generations of Hip Hop since it's inception.. Once you graduate to mainstream success you aren't obligated to be 'cool' anymore.. Dont think you can be "cool" when so many people like you.. not in the youth black culture way anyway

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asap rocky doesn't have any hit records man.

his biggest hit was knockoff of "monster" that featured drake and every other top rapper at the time.

drake his penetrated White demographics and made way more money and sold way more records and therefore has a way higher STATUS while remaining plugged in to young Black culture.

he's held in way higher prestige because he's simply more popular and cool enough to pass with most people.

but like you said, i'm sure a lot of people would say asap is cooler and therefore better than drake.

as far as ye, i'd argue he "peaked" in 2007 when was 29/30.

None of this matters...

There are gonna be a number of 50 year old rappers soon.. in less than 5 years..

Shit Dre just dropped a verse on that Marsha record and he is 50 now..

People are going to be listening to them..

Going to their shows.. They are gonna have weird Cirque De Soliel style vegas shows

It just is..

Maybe they could make Jazz Rap hot again?

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if it was corny to me when i was 20. now that i'm older it isn't any less corny, i'm not going to move to goalposts to allow something that used to be considered wack on principle alone.

all this "make room for me!!" type shit is exactly the mentality most of us were against when we were young.

now we're old, we're going to become exactly what we hated?
not me, mayne.

preserve your own sensibilities.
just say no to 40/50/60/70 year old rappers even if you are 40/50/60/70 years old yourself.

ok

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It's just magnified in hip-hop since it's the last big musical artform.

Black Music has always been about whats hot and whats next and the old being 'played out'. It don't matter how legendary that particular artist is.

That was one of the main arguments for hip-hopers when the issue of sampling used to come up..how hip-hop was reintroducing/keeping alive the likes of a George Clinton, James Brown, Rick James who's career got knocked out the box originally by hip-hop in the first place, and how before that the Funk cats knocked out the Jazz cats, and before that the Jazz cats knocked out the Blues dudes, who before that Knocked out Do-Wop..ect

I remember it being discusses in one of the TVOne Unsung threads, how the underlying theme of alot of those episodes would always be.. "Boogie Funk, New Jack Swing, 80's R&B was sooo swell and all was going good AND THEN BIG BAD HIP-HOP CAME AND DESTORYED EVERYTHING!..lol)"

Thats why what Jay-Z has been able to do is pretty substantial even though true Jay fans know his best days are behind him..him being able to maintain some the of relevancy all these years at his advanced age is very rare for black music period. Even Prince has had a down period before, and Stevie will always be Stevie but aint nobody buying Stevie's albums tho...

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that means as a 30 year old father,brother,husband im going to need to listen to artist that reflect a bit of that in their music
i also care more about my community than i did say 10 years ago
that needs to be reflected in the music i listen to aswell
their are a wealth of 35 plus rappers although still talking willisms drop a bit of what i can relate to
alot of em are older

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just as those rappers get older, so do I. if they are rappin about young kid shit im probably gonna be turned off. but if they can rap about stuff that relates to my life and make it interesting in a musical way im all in. if im 50 and sadat or tip makes a song at 52 that moves me then why not?