Their lasting impact from the individual careers? No debate
there. Cosmic impact. Great individual careers.

But they aren't even Pippen to Public Enemy's Jordan
as far as groups. They are like, Ron Harper or Gerald
Wilkins. Public Enemy wipes the floor with them musically
by every conceivable standard. Every one. Hard shit. Smart
shit. Street shit. Musical shit. Hip-hop shit. All shit.
Live shit.

For all this NWA "message," the skinheads had Chuck D on
their kill list, not NWA.

PE scared white America. Not NWA.

NWA didn't have a "message," really. They weren't a "voice"
for a damn thing. They looked sorta cool and made a few cool
songs.

And boy did they birth some great artists.

But they weren't very good as a group.

White people have elevated NWA because white kids of today
tend to like rampant n*ggerishness over true black
excellence, which frightens modern whites. ('Flavor of Love'
Flavor Flav was more beloved by whites and privileged blacks
than '911 is a Joke' Flav)


Its true.

1)As an obsessive NYC hip-hop head the first one to loan me an NWA tape was a blonde white chick from Long Island...it was probably the only rap tape she owned.

2)They had some classic cuts and id argue efil4zaggin was a top 20 album of the decade (90's) I would also argue 100 Miles was a fantastic EP, one of hip-hop's best, unfortunately Ice Cube eclipsed it with Kill At Willa month or two earlier.

i can't be the only one who thinks this.
it's been a while since i've heard it, and i will give it another shot eventually...
but everything after "express yourself" is whatever.


niggas4life is too ridiculous to take seriously.

i think people mistake the cultural impact of NWA
for the artistic consistency of NWA.

i mean, they are titans... but it's not because they
made perfect albums.

i think you are putting too much in it to say they didn't have a message, though.
the politics may have been muddy, but they were there.
and they are sharper than, say... "janet jackson's rhythm nation 1814",
or maybe even nas on "i can", to choose two utterly random examples.

>i can't be the only one who thinks this.
>it's been a while since i've heard it, and i will give it
>another shot eventually...
>but everything after "express yourself" is whatever.

You're not the only who thinks. I've seen it written a few times on here. However, you're all wrong, IMHO. After "Express Yourself," there's still "I Ain't The 1", "Dope Man," and "Quiet on the Set," which are all as good as anything on that album.

To me, the only clear miss on SOC is "Something 2 Dance 2," and everyone acknowledges that. "Something Like That" and "Compton's in the House," are kind of dull, but not wack at all.

>niggas4life is too ridiculous to take seriously.

Probably true. Or they tried to be too cartoonish while appearing to still be serious. Like, I don't know, the movie "Running Scared." The one from the mid '00s with Paul Walker, not the one from the mid '80s with Gregory Hines and Billy Crystal.

But yeah, for that one the first half is really good. Then second half gets bogged down in completely over-the-top misogyny (even for the time) and Parliament parody songs. It finished strong with two of the best tracks on the album.

>i think people mistake the cultural impact of NWA
>for the artistic consistency of NWA.
>
>i mean, they are titans... but it's not because they
>made perfect albums.

What I'll say is that there at least three "gangsta rap" groups that had more consistent careers and overall have a better catalogue, even if not one album individually is as good as SOC. Above the Law, Compton's Most Wanted, and Geto Boys were all better groups overall, and two out of the three did politics extremely well.

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It's crazy how such an influential and popular group only lasted for less than a decade and only churned out two proper full-lengths during that brief duration.

I agree w/ you about white America's embrace of their aesthetic over the more radical PE's.

it's fuckin great. Only misstep is "Something to dance to," which actually made more sense when it dropped.

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> it's fuckin great. Only misstep is "Something to dance to,"
>which actually made more sense when it dropped.
>




a D Train sample is always good money in my book.

SOC was like a movie: the first three tracks introduced the stars, the plot, and the villains. (the gang called Niggas With Attitude, Coming Straight Outta Compton, and the police) Then came character development (If It Ain't Ruff and Parental Discretion) and the plot twist (Express Yourself, one of the most positive "conscious" tracks ever).

For me the climax is Dopeman, which at first glance is another glorification of the drug dealer. But listen closely, and you hear Dre shaming users: "If ya smoke 'Caine, you're a stupid motherfucker"

putting dealers on blast:
"And niggas out there, messing up people's health.
Yo, what the fuck you gotta say for yourself?"

warning girls about the pitfalls of getting with dealers:
"Let that slide and you pay it no mind.
Find that he's slapping you, all the time!
But that's okay, 'coz he's so rich,
and you ain't nothin' but a Dopeman's bitch"

and even advocates vigilante justice:
"Yo, Mr. Dopeman, you think you're slick
Ya sold crack to my sister and now she's sick
But if she happens to die because of your drug
I'm puttin' in your culo, a .38 slug!"

YT kids ate that shit up: the name, the rhymes, the beats, fuck the police, but older YT and politicians were terrified. MTV banned the SOC video, they got no radio play and went plat, and I don't think the FBI sent that letter for shits and giggles. I remember Axl Rose wearing an NWA hat in an MTV news segment. Here's a multiplat global rock star at the height of his fame promoting "the world's most dangerous group" (a claim G n R made about themselves as well).

When Cube left it was a wrap. They turned into cartoons and it was all she wrote. Even as Dre made some of the best beats of his career on efil4zaggin, the caveman fantasy lyrics overshadowed them.

even if Eazy hadn't been cheating em. Most groups with this much talent don't last long...almost like NBA Superteams. They got that one ring with SOC and that was it.

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>Most groups with this
>much talent don't last long

Very true. New Edition and Wu Tang are the exceptions, for sure.

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they became more of an "entertainment" group, the blueprint for the kind of rap that would be seen as a "revenue generator" for their labels in the '90s-00s

Ren couldn't fill that void alone, he had the best lines, IMO. Dre never really wanted to rap. I felt like it became more Eazy's thing honestly. And Eazy was more about the comedy than anyone else

is the revisionist history that paints them as revolutionaries. There was a *tiny* bit of message and a WHOLE lot of glamorization of the gangster lifestyle.

if 2pac can get credit for his message, NWA deserves credit for theirs.
initially, they said outright that cops were killing negros for no reason.

they disliked any type of respectability politics.
(you can't tell me the line "life ain't nothin' but bitches and money" line
isn't tounge in cheek)

and they attempted to take a word like "nigga,"
which was litterally the worst thing you could be in this country...
and try to make it something that you could feel good about being.

they put it in their name.
niggas with an attitude.


they weren't political heavyweights,
but at least on that first album, they had a reasonably good idea of what was going down.



their second album, need not be discussed by anyone,
as it is an impeccably engineered piece of shit.

100 miles and runnin' was a dope track,
but i think that was on an EP. they only included it on niggas4life
on reprints.



>is the revisionist history that paints them as
>revolutionaries. There was a *tiny* bit of message and a WHOLE
>lot of glamorization of the gangster lifestyle.

>100 miles and runnin' was a dope track,
>but i think that was on an EP. they only included it on
>niggas4life
>on reprints.

and yeah, it was on the EP before the album. it's better than anything on EFIL4ZAGGIN IMO. Ren's opening verse. Damn.

And I'm not really complaining about their politics,
as few people truly call their politics "revolutionary"

I'm mostly talking about how their legacy has mostly been
inflated by white people, at the expense of black people
who BOTH made better music AND had better politics

Like I said -- PE was better by every standard. Every one.
NWA wasn't better at anything than Public Enemy. Including
making shit to dance to. Including making shit to fight to.
Including political shit.


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i didn't even like nigaz4life at all when it came out.

Made at least 2-3 certified classic albums.

So just on the basis of pure music alone they're at least a really good group.

Not even mentioning their legacy

R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
Dec 29th 2009 - Dec 17th 2017

>Made at least 2-3 certified classic albums.

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>>Made at least 2-3 certified classic albums.
>
I'm hoping it's a failed attempt at humor

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Falcons, Braves, Bulldogs and Hawks

Geto Boys, Poison Clan, UGK, Eightball & MJG, OutKast, Goodie Mob

They didn't even MAKE 3 albums.

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I was bent when I typed that

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Haha - glad we cleared that up.

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The singles and videos sure. That's it. Had no interest. East coast bias.
I fucked with Ice-T a bit though.

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