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spew120
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"Hip-hop and Ferguson"


  

          

Killer Mike's mini-essay was really powerful, but I feel like hip-hop is largely ignoring what's going on in Ferguson right now.

Am I missing something?

  

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When was the last time any major hip-hop artist
Aug 18th 2014
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that could be brand suicide!
Aug 18th 2014
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Lupe does pretty regularly
Aug 18th 2014
4
lupe that dude with the whimsy female-esque voice?
Aug 18th 2014
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this ^
Aug 18th 2014
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The Lesson automatically whines whenever Lupe makes a good song
Aug 18th 2014
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      did you see somebody compliment lupe just now?
Aug 19th 2014
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Watch The Throne's "Murder 2 Excellence"
Aug 19th 2014
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social commentary all over Com & The Roots 2014 Def Jam releases
Aug 19th 2014
21
i don't want to read mini-essays by rappers.
Aug 18th 2014
2
I made a song from my upcoming album about what's going on
Aug 18th 2014
6
didnt cole and his ppl go to ferguson
Aug 18th 2014
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yeah, they did
Aug 18th 2014
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nah, I've heard so many songs about it
Aug 18th 2014
10
By who???
Aug 19th 2014
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      when Diallo got shot............
Aug 19th 2014
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Jasiri X dropped a joint
Aug 18th 2014
12
i believe that the sun will come out today
Aug 19th 2014
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we've been at war for over a decade and i've only heard 1 protest song.
Aug 19th 2014
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imagine the criticism they would get
Aug 19th 2014
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RE: imagine the criticism they would get
Aug 19th 2014
24
i don't know why protest music is non-existent in the mainstream.
Aug 19th 2014
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the thought that music is better when encouraging apathy
Aug 19th 2014
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System of a Down's whole multiplat career.
Aug 19th 2014
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      i forgot about them.
Aug 20th 2014
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NO, rappers need to stay far away from this lest they delegitimize...
Aug 19th 2014
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Check out...
Aug 19th 2014
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RE: Check out...
Aug 19th 2014
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      a Rap song will not help in any way shape or form
Aug 19th 2014
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a 2014 version of Self Destruction would hit right now
Aug 19th 2014
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just bump "Sound of Da Police" & "Fight The Power"
Aug 19th 2014
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RE: just bump "Sound of Da Police" & "Fight The Power"
Aug 19th 2014
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thats a cool mix...
Aug 20th 2014
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thats just like telling folks in 91 to "just bump 'Ball of Confusion'"
Aug 20th 2014
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      not everyone protesting is a teenager longing for a Drake song...
Aug 20th 2014
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Son.of.Byford did a mix
Aug 19th 2014
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Pitchfork interviewed Chief Keef at a shooting range
Aug 20th 2014
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1. "When was the last time any major hip-hop artist"
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ever addressed any real subject?

And I mean, like, for a whole song... not just a bar or two (even though that in itself is pretty rare)

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3. "that could be brand suicide!"
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4. "Lupe does pretty regularly"
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5. "lupe that dude with the whimsy female-esque voice?"
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yeah i really wanna hear him rally the troops.

  

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7. "this ^ "
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11. "The Lesson automatically whines whenever Lupe makes a good song"
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Lessonheads are a bunch of hoecakes

  

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22. "did you see somebody compliment lupe just now?"
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like, litterally the thread you replied to was a
compliment to lupe.

it also got a cosign.

since you are also a lupe fan, i count three (3) pro-lupe
comments in a thread that wasn't even about him specificly.

want another pro-lupe comment?
i'll add one.

i liked "kick-push."
i never heard of the guy before i started lurking here.
and that's still the only song of his that i know.
but it's a good song.

and didn't he have a verse on "touch the sky?"
that was good too.



anyway, the only person dissing lupe in this thread
is banner. and I don't know how much his opinion counts.


as usual, you are saying nothing.

  

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13. "Watch The Throne's "Murder 2 Excellence""
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21. "social commentary all over Com & The Roots 2014 Def Jam releases"
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2. "i don't want to read mini-essays by rappers."
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Mon Aug-18-14 01:10 PM by febreeze

  

          

i don't want to read mini-essays by journalists, let alone random morons on the internet.

if you're an artist and you're inspired in some way by recent events... shouldn't you make something in your chosen artistic medium and let that speak for itself?

  

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6. "I made a song from my upcoming album about what's going on"
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before the Mike Brown situation. With Mike Brown and Eric Garner in the news, I was driven to release it before the album due to how relevant it is. I even posted here but no one gives a fuck about an up and coming artist w/o a maching co-sign.

Furious Styles: https://blacknative.bandcamp.com/album/furious-styles

Black Confederate on iTunes:
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8. "didnt cole and his ppl go to ferguson"
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didnt cole and his ppl go to ferguson

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9. "yeah, they did "
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Furious Styles: https://blacknative.bandcamp.com/album/furious-styles

Black Confederate on iTunes:
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Video to Black Confederate: http://youtu.be/jbpAQ4qzkqY

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10. "nah, I've heard so many songs about it"
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that I'm expecting backlash.
Just because we can't wait to accuse artists of being opportunists.

  

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15. "By who???"
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follow me @oldirtyplaster on the Twitter thing.....i say awesome stuff

  

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16. "when Diallo got shot............"
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we had Hip Hop for Respect. We also had Jay and Mos speak up about Katrina. I think these were the last times. and yeah, I think Ross or whoever will drop a couple bars to make the lesson happy for two seconds but thats it.

what happen to do the days of Fela, Marvin, .....shit even Bruce Springsteen? he made a song for Diallo



are they worried that these labels are gonna drop them? will anyone drop Wayne, Jay or Kanye?

you can easily go back to shiny rims and fuckin bitches, but just step outside the lines for two seconds. a dude who beat people up for a livin was into activism(Muhammad Ali)


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12. "Jasiri X dropped a joint"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuWvg1_jZ1U&list=UUz9f4VYYJf65DQnxYfEw-yA

got some of his other joints in my sig, same damn issues.

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14. "i believe that the sun will come out today"
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that is an overly obvious statement. I know that you want us to discuss, and I am not insluting, but you have to give up on it. hip hop artists dont realize their power.


Yes, Killer Mike and J Cole have done things, but really? small percentage. I knowo that a lot of people are reaching back to the good old days of PE, x Clan and such but corporate america killed conscious hip hop. obliterated it. the community fed us more drug, glossy rap in the mid nineties like crack fed in the eighties.

The problem is that with Trayvon, with the choking in Staten, with Mike Brown, and countless others......a free song can be dropped. A compilation song a la Self Destruction can be done. A well spoken statement can be made on a large spanning radio station, but a couple things hurt that. one is a lot of dudes dont really follow the politics behind these issues. Two, is that between touring, ballin' and protecting your brand, there isnt a lot of room to talk about these. I AM NOT SAYING THAT THEY CANT, but look at twitter and such. Worried about their money. Jay and Rick Ross talking about it would speak volumes because there are a lot of easily influenced teens and adults out there who will listen. If Jay said, "meet me in the town neighboring Ferguson for a march" do you know how many people would clear their bank accounts to meet him? But they are scared of fucking up their branding.

you do see the more conscious rappers making stements on Twitter, Talib is going to be in Ferguson, but we are definitely watching a muted community in hip hop. its sad.


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17. "we've been at war for over a decade and i've only heard 1 protest song. "
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well, only one that got on the radio.
i am sure there were others written.

it was John Mayer, "waiting on the world to change."
i feel like that means something, but i don't know what.
mainstream music isn't much on the political tip, for whatever reason.


  

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19. "imagine the criticism they would get"
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every time someone does try and do something political, you get people moaning about how their political commentary was lacking, stupid, ill informed, lazy, etc etc. and thats just on this board. granted, all those things might be warranted, but i can see how an artist would prefer to avoid that. obv, most artists are just worried about losing fans, industry support etc too. but the climate for what youre asking for isnt there. its prob more effective to tweet about something than make a song about it. quicker too. maybe in the future people will remember tweets calling them into action (in egypt perhaps) like we do songs, i dont know.

anyway, maybe its better we have less armchair activism and let real people into politics deal with politics. i doubt occupy or whoever need music to get them marching. they do it regardless. most rap/music fans just like political music cos it makes them feel theyre listening/partaking in something important. but revolutionary fervour does not = revolutionary action. in fact, all this revolutionary fighting talk i think is sometimes just hot air, from people who like the glamour and allure of revolution, not the reality, which doesnt necessarily involve armed struggle, barricades and guns blazing, but groundswell organisations trying to make changes happen in their communities. but then most rap fans dont want to hear intelligent political commentary, they just want something that works as a release of aggression (eg - PE, cube etc), they want audio demagoguery, which is arguably much easier than reaonsed, seasoned political lyricism, which is prob what something like brother ali or even lupe offer (i wouldnt know as ive not heard their music in years).


  

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24. "RE: imagine the criticism they would get"
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>anyway, maybe its better we have less armchair activism and
>let real people into politics deal with politics. i doubt
>occupy or whoever need music to get them marching. they do it
>regardless. most rap/music fans just like political music cos
>it makes them feel theyre listening/partaking in something
>important. but revolutionary fervour does not = revolutionary
>action. in fact, all this revolutionary fighting talk i think
>is sometimes just hot air, from people who like the glamour
>and allure of revolution, not the reality, which doesnt
>necessarily involve armed struggle, barricades and guns
>blazing, but groundswell organisations trying to make changes
>happen in their communities.

I get what you're saying here and agree a bit, but I think it's important to remember that many social/political movements (civil rights in America and the fight against apartheid in South Africa, especially, but we can point to many others) were very much bolstered, at times even motivated by, various musical traditions. This isn't just nostalgic mythologizing --- a number of historians have written on this issue. (Popular) music is often an integral feature of efforts to forge collective movements, in part for obvious reasons of social cohesion, but also because of what music can do ideologically that other things (straight political discourse, for instance) can't.

That being said, music's importance to social movements is not necessarily based in any explicit politics being put forward by the music's lyrics. Though some of her stuff was obviously political, Nina Simone made a career out of picking really *smart* tunes to cover that, when placed in the mouth of an outspoken black woman unafraid to take on issues of race, took on obvious double meanings. More generally, the connection of hymns and spirituals to the (early classical) civil rights movement was as much historical as ideological.

In other words, don't discount the importance of music to social movements... *but* I'm pretty cynical about the ability to use *directly* political music to spark collective consciousness or agency. Dylan summarized the '60s in countless songs, but his direct references to either civil rights or Vietnam were less impactful than his broader, more ambiguous depictions of the *mood* of the time, of the sense that things were changing.


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25. "i don't know why protest music is non-existent in the mainstream. "
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but i am certain that the LACK of it is a bad thing.
i am not saying "war, what is it good for" is a particularly insightful
political onbservation.

but your fooling yourself if you think that having songs like that
on the charts, when combined with the marches,
when combined with MLK making noise, when combined
with the existence of the black panthers...

didn't create an environment where leaders had to address
some of those hippies' demands.



music, in and of itself, can't change anything.
but every revolution needs a soundtrack,
and i don't doubt that the lack of protest music
might be part of why there ain't no protesting going on.


and i have come to actively dislike the way some folks go so hard on
"armchair activist." i mean, i get it. ppl need to do more.
people need a plan. a hashtag and a song can't save a life.

but what was i doing before i heard the "what's going on" album?
and how long did it take me to act after hearing it?

kids need to start somewhere.
everybody needs to start somewhere.









but back to the OP...
i wanted to expand the subject beyond "where is hip hop"
because i am not hearing any protest music from ANYBODY
about ANYTHING...

so if we want to toss around theories about what is causing
the lack of protest music, we need to figure out
why it's not in rock, or soul, or any other genre of music.

what changed since the 60s, 70s, hell... even the 80s or 90s?



why did 9/11 not inspire any protest songs at all?
is it worth talking about the Dixie chicks?

  

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32. "the thought that music is better when encouraging apathy"
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is depressing.

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29. "System of a Down's whole multiplat career."
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Videos with Michael Moore, a hit song called "Bring Your Own Bombs" with a breakdown that goes "Why don't presidents fight the war, why do they send the poor?"

People kind of slept how hard a bunch of muslim dudes kept on message during the Bush years where hugely popular blond white chicks like the Dixie Chicks were taking L's for speaking out. Obviously it helps they wrapped it up in metal licks a la Rage Against The Machine, but still

  

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34. "i forgot about them. "
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although, now that i think about it... there were a couple
of singles that could qualify as protest music.

eminem did "mosh"
green day did the "American Idiot" album,
and incubus had "a crow left of the murder."

Radiohead "Hail to the Theif" might be political,
but i rarely know what that dude is talking about.

so who knows.

  

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18. "NO, rappers need to stay far away from this lest they delegitimize..."
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Tue Aug-19-14 08:34 AM by CalvinButts

  

          

the struggle their w/ their worthless words

besides, there is a long history & resovoir of rap songs adressing all of the issues coming to the fore here, mine those, let these current rappers tweet & keep their shit away from any new recordings

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20. "Check out..."
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9th Wonder's FB page.

He's been saying a lot of smart, pertinent things…maybe not songs per se, but he's coming out pretty hard about it…

  

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23. "RE: Check out..."
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thats very respectable to say something, anything rather than be silent.




what if he were to throw some beat together and get some friends together for a record?




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26. "a Rap song will not help in any way shape or form"
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better to use their platform in other ways

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27. "a 2014 version of Self Destruction would hit right now"
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28. "just bump "Sound of Da Police" & "Fight The Power""
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31. "RE: just bump "Sound of Da Police" & "Fight The Power""
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you'll enjoy the new mix over at sonofbyford.com

especially you. later.

http://sonofbyford.com

  

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33. "thats a cool mix..."
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...would have liked to hear X-Clan's FTP and Jay Dee's FTP as well

  

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35. "thats just like telling folks in 91 to "just bump 'Ball of Confusion'""
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different era homie. a generation needs its own voice

  

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36. "not everyone protesting is a teenager longing for a Drake song... "
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....to capture the way they feel


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30. "Son.of.Byford did a mix"
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And it just got posted...

One hour of anti-cop/anti-police hip hop NOT including "fuck the police" or "cop killer." Lucky you.

It's called the "Hands-Up Getdown"

http://sonofbyford.com/2014/08/19/the-hands-up-getdown/
http://www.mixcloud.com/sonsofbyford/the-hands-up-getdown/

Enjoy. mp3 link in the Sonofbyford.com link.

http://sonofbyford.com

  

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37. "Pitchfork interviewed Chief Keef at a shooting range"
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White hipsters enjoy black death

Its fun and cute to them

Hipsters ran and voted for Obama, think shit is
sweet, like they "won't get they jaw tapped" (c) Dame

Sorry, its true



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