Okay, first time poster, long time lurker. I figured if there was somewhere I could ask about this, it would be right here. That said, I've been hearing about Dilla's Pizza Man beat tape for a while, as it was considered release worthy alongside Donuts. I reached out to Jordan Ferguson, author of the 33 1/3 series volume on Donuts, to ask if he knew more about this and if he'd heard the original beat tape of Donuts (before it was polished for release), but he never got back to me. So, that brings me here.

I'm specifically wondering about whether Pizza Man is out there but under another name. I've always suspected one of the semi-unidentified beat tapes, usually labeled Dilla Beats 3, to possibly be it, mostly because it includes Signs and the beat used on the revised version of Jaylib's The Red and Raekwon's 10 Bricks. Kinda makes sense to use tracks from another Dilla beat tape they liked almost as much as Donuts. This might not be as important, but it also includes several of the tracks from Jay Love Japan, along with the beat for Steve Spacek's Dollar.

I've heard from folks who don't think this leaked, and maybe it hasn't, as Dilla had made so many beat tapes prior to his death, but as the original Donuts beat tape seems to have leaked, I have to imagine this quite possibly leaked too.

On the topic of the original Donuts beat tape for a minute, when I bought my copy of the 45s box, I'd read how it included the intro (aka Donuts (Outro)) again, several tracks into the album, and how they had reinstated it into the album as it appeared on the beat tape. I have no idea why they did that, but the leak I found included that reprise of the intro, in the same place. There were some other interesting but minor differences, like Workinonit and The Diff'rence being split into two tracks, and the untitled interlude that appears before Airworks and at another point in the album getting its own track, albeit without a name. Some of the tracks were shorter than the versions officially released, but that's not too surprising, considering how most tracks on beat tapes aren't meant to be too long.

So, does anyone have any insight as to the status of Pizza Man? Or does anyone else know anything about the original Donuts beat tape? Anything you can tell me would be a godsend!

Nothing?

I've heard neither pizza or donuts BT...and I've heard quite a bit...maybe what it is IS already out there maybe it ain't...the donuts advance was a tad shorter than the retail ..I dunno

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The Donuts advance is probably the Donuts beat tape I was talking about. I usually refer to the promo with the voiceover as the advance, though that was the same as the retail apart from the aforementioned voiceover. So yeah, shorter Donuts advance and the beat tape are the same thing.

They ain't sharing anything with you unless you have something to share with them. So if there's something out there you think you haven't heard, chances are you probably won't be able to get it.

It's shitty and I hated it at first, but then I just moved on knowing I'll never really hear everything. That's the way the culture works, and it's predicated upon people snickering to each other knowing they have what others want, and sneering at those who, ya know, just wanna fucking hear the dudes music.

Man I'm getting pissed just remembering those days.

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I've never scoured the net looking for Dilla tapes, but I just assumed that by now, anything with the potential to get out would've gotten out. that wouldn't include stuff passed directly to his closest colleagues (Waajeed, Shoes, etc.), but I'd also assume that those cats would be beyond that petty 'I've got this and you don't'-type stuff. I realize that I'm making a lot of assumptions here, tho
basically, I don't see how real gems would end up in the possession of just another asshole on the internet.

personally, I LIKE knowing that there's "new" Dilla stuff out there, even if I don't have access to it. I haven't heard it all.

It's funny about the whole "I've got it, nyah nyah nyah" attitude that a lot of collectors have. I've been part of those communities, mostly because I was invited or had something someone wanted. I respect their wishes for stuff not to be leaked, but I think it's ridiculous. It's not their music, so why hoard it? Share the wealth already!

Anyway, I definitely think Pizza Man leaked, though it's just a matter of things needing to be properly identified. And regarding my comment about having been part of collector communities, I'm not a member of any group of Dilla collectors. I think it's obvious since I'm asking about this stuff, but I figured I should mention that.

If you didn't have anything rare yourself, may as well go ask the f*cking wall for help.

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I was fortunate enough to hear some serious Dilla shit about a month ago. Joints that would melt brains. Shout out to HouseShoes, who might still lurk.

The rabbit hole goes deeper than most people could ever imagine.

I didn't ask him for any of it either. I have no business holding that heat on my hard drive.

Dilla didn't want any of that stuff released for public consumption/criticism. We're damn lucky we heard the "usual" beat CDs everybody talks about.

The kind of stuff J.Rocc might play when he takes over Benji B's show is icing on the cake. Cassette hiss and all.

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Why? So people can see them. Are we better off letting rich or lucky collectors be the only ones to see and enjoy them?

Dilla didn't release everything he made because he had quality control, but we still wanna hear that stuff regardless of what he thought. If he made it in the first place and even handed it out to some people, it's certainly gonna be good enough for his fans.

When these guys that have all of this rare Dilla shit die, where will his stuff go? What if it gets lost? What if we never get to hear ANY of it because these idiots were too greedy to think of the consequences of hoarding his shit?

There's no excuse for this behavior. It's simply people relishing in the power they have over their peers in having what they want. Basic human instinct shit. And it's shameful and embarrassing, not to mention lame.

It made me embarrassed to call myself a fan of his for a while.

*we* would doesn't necessarily mean *they* should release it.

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like whole tapes? or just tracks?

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this doesn't necessarily have to do with Dilla

but there was a comment I saw on a Youtube video of some song I was listening to, that pissed me off. said something like, "you shouldn't put the whole song up because people will turn it into MP3s" or something.

I went and found that record, transferred it digitally, cleaned it the hell up and uploaded the FLACs and gave people links.

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Word up ..send it. Haha I,agree with sweeny a bit but some of the stuff not available to the masses that some of us have heard / been blessed with is a shame it won't be heard by more heads...I've been given stuff I was told to never share and I never will but it is a bummer sometimes..and trust and trustworthiness is alot to it..now I sound like an asshole..

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lol

worth a shot, at least

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Is it not? I feel like it has to be vol 3 of the 05 tapes

If anyone has it.

I've been trying to to track this down for years.

Phil noone has this on here ...I've seen nothing to say otherwise I think,it's just one of the 05 mislabeled

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Except for dillas family and dillas boys.

How awesome would it be to see that released?

Maybe on the 10th year anniversary of donuts?

I'm not too hopeful though. Seeing how his music has been handled since he passed is so sad.

I hear ya..it is sad how shit been handled..IM wit my boy shoes on this tip( he prolly don't remember my ass from the Detroit record store days hipp'n me to buy don't nobody care about us 12") the way the estate handle they business ...but who the funk am I to say..only dude I ever heard mention This beat tape anyways is .PBW and I agree wit pcp on internetz mislabeled beat tapes (made up stuff)

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Of everything he made. Hiccuped classix? It's the 2002 batches, idiots. 2005 Beat Tape #2? Was made in 2003. Old Donuts? Uh, the 1998 Batch?

Ugh.

Hiccuped Classix?
Old Donuts?

LOL. It's bad enough those 05 tapes were given fake titles
for each song.

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>Hiccuped Classix?
>Old Donuts?
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>LOL. It's bad enough those 05 tapes were given fake titles
>for each song.

Gotta agree on the fake title crap and such. None of the tracks on Donuts probably had titles until they were considered for an official release, so why would any of the other tapes have official track names? I know the beat for the first half of DOOM's Gazillion Ear is named Dig It, but that might have more to do with licensing it after Dilla's death than anything else.

As for the Estate, I don't have anything bad to say about them. And before you say I'm being unrealistic, Dilla's affairs were not in order at the time of his death, and it's taken a long time to get them this far, so I'm sure they want to do a lot of things, but getting them done is really difficult. I'm sure someday we'll see more official releases, even from Dilla's later periods, but there are a lot of clearances to be done. I still don't know how they managed to clear every track off Donuts, or if they did. Let's face it, people making beats are usually not lawyers, and would you want to hear lawyer-approved beats?

>Of everything he made. Hiccuped classix? It's the 2002
>batches, idiots. 2005 Beat Tape #2? Was made in 2003. Old
>Donuts? Uh, the 1998 Batch?
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>Ugh.

The first one had the beat De La released in 2003. The second with "Do You" that SV released in 2004. Up until a couple days ago, I realized Nick Speed put out "Checkmate" and "Love is Here" in early 2004, which came off the third one.

You think maybe those goofy track names came from either Shoes, 15 or J.Rocc?

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No. Don't think they would name them

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>You think maybe those goofy track names came from either
>Shoes, 15 or J.Rocc?
>

I haven't confirmed this, but I think the names for the 1996-2000 batches are Questlove's naming. My suspicion roots from the names containing deep knowledge of sample sources along with his trademark, stream of consciousness style of writing.

Example names:
Do It See It Be It Dammit! (1999 Batch)
same tip drums minus the pass (2000 Batch)
Upper Gogypt, Lower Gogypt (1996 Batch)
joe pass and a ding w/ james on the synth

I could be wrong, but those feel like Questlove names to me.

>joe pass and a ding w/ james on the synth
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>I could be wrong, but those feel like Questlove names to me.

Also, the 1999 batch that I downloaded has the "Dilla is GOD" iTunes tag. Pretty sure ?uest talked about labeling his Dilla beats this way.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijM0EAcFBDA#t=0m22s

Second beat in that video would be cool as well.