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"Dame Dash goes at Combat Jack [VIDEO]"


  

          

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ4Tb7LrpSg

  

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i couldn't make it past the boat, tshirt, and white robe.
Jul 23rd 2014
1
lmao
Jul 23rd 2014
2
haha
Jul 23rd 2014
18
i love Dame, but i feel like his message always gets lost...
Jul 23rd 2014
3
RE: i love Dame, but i feel like his message always gets lost...
Jul 23rd 2014
6
He should cut the cameras off and win in court first
Jul 23rd 2014
4
take this shit to GD where it's relevant
Jul 23rd 2014
5
they should make this a series...Cypher wit Da Gods!
Jul 23rd 2014
7
Dame Dash is a hustler & former executive at a record label
Jul 23rd 2014
8
RE: Dame Dash is a hustler & former executive at a record label
Jul 23rd 2014
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      how many classic albums were released on Roc A Fella records?
Jul 23rd 2014
10
           Make your case
Jul 23rd 2014
11
           i don't think it's complicated
Jul 23rd 2014
13
                Bwahahaahaha. Backpacker rage for the loss
Jul 24th 2014
22
                it's 2014 & you're still trying to insult ppl by calling them "backpacke...
Jul 24th 2014
24
                     Its 2014 and you still mad at entrepreneurs.
Jul 26th 2014
39
                          it's 2014 & you're still calling people "mad" in an attempt to shame the...
Jul 26th 2014
41
                Eh, Dame did have an eye for talent
Jul 24th 2014
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                Yup.
Jul 27th 2014
45
                This is where you lost me...
Jul 27th 2014
44
                How would you distinguish him from Russell then?
Jul 28th 2014
56
                     i never said anything about Russell Simmons
Jul 28th 2014
57
                          I didn't say you did. I asked you 'how WOULD you distinguish...
Jul 28th 2014
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                               i don't know how to answer that question
Jul 28th 2014
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           RE: how many classic albums were released on Roc A Fella records?
Jul 23rd 2014
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                RE: how many classic albums were released on Roc A Fella records?
Jul 23rd 2014
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                     RE: how many classic albums were released on Roc A Fella records?
Jul 23rd 2014
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                     no doubt, but i'm still confused as to what a "purist" is in hip-hop
Jul 23rd 2014
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                          RE: no doubt, but i'm still confused as to what a "purist" is in hip-hop
Jul 23rd 2014
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                          RE: no doubt, but i'm still confused as to what a "purist" is in hip-hop
Jul 23rd 2014
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                     Rawkus' business side was MAD shady too...
Jul 27th 2014
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                          all these companies are im talking abt the music
Jul 27th 2014
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                               Ok.
Jul 28th 2014
96
RE: they should make this a series...Cypher wit Da Gods!
Jul 24th 2014
30
Im hip, Dame's rants definitely need editing
Jul 25th 2014
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aka "Who You Trying to Impress? w/ Dame Dash"
Jul 24th 2014
32
Dame reminds me of motormouths I know who can rant for hours
Jul 23rd 2014
15
he played himself with the combat jack interviews
Jul 23rd 2014
21
His gripes & rants are becoming more and more difficult to follow
Jul 24th 2014
23
Dame misses being famous
Jul 24th 2014
25
he misses being famous and he seems a little bitter
Jul 25th 2014
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Dame always saying "I don't want this to be emotional"
Jul 24th 2014
26
man hold up. Dame is mad that he got jerked
Jul 24th 2014
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You're gonna pause to explain net vs. gross? Ctrl + W I'm done.
Jul 24th 2014
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RE: Dame Dash goes at Combat Jack [VIDEO]
Jul 24th 2014
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message
Jul 25th 2014
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ouch
Jul 25th 2014
37
exactly, even a guy like Just
Jul 26th 2014
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      Lulz...you can't put Just Blaze on Dame's level, big guy
Jul 26th 2014
40
      the lesson is music discussion, Just Blaze actually, yknow, makes music
Jul 26th 2014
42
      Dame out here making youtube vids like Jaz-O
Jul 27th 2014
51
           Hahahaha....Jay was a broke Big Daddy Kane chain holding flunkee
Jul 27th 2014
53
                stahp all the extras
Jul 28th 2014
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                actually OE is correct about this
Jul 28th 2014
69
                But it wasn't like Dame was setting the world on fire pre-Jay
Jul 28th 2014
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                     Bwahhahaha niggas coppin PLEAS!!!!
Jul 28th 2014
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                          Seriously, what are you talking about?
Jul 28th 2014
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                          Dame discovered Kayne West too.
Jul 28th 2014
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                               Indeed. I said as much in #29
Jul 28th 2014
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                          LOL at DAMON DASH discovered Currensy.
Jul 28th 2014
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                               He already had deals with Master P and Wayne
Jul 29th 2014
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                                    yeah I remember he had a lil .jpeg photo
Jul 29th 2014
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                                    He was a flunkee with both, changed up his steez with Dame
Jul 29th 2014
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                Dame wrote RD, BP1, AG, Black Album?
Jul 28th 2014
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      Black Keys hate Dame too
Jul 26th 2014
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           Yeah, Black Keys' music has gotten worse since then too
Jul 28th 2014
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           hold up what? didn't know this. wow dudes reputation is TRASH
Jul 28th 2014
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                Lotta niggas had gotten into it with Berry Gordy too tho
Jul 28th 2014
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                     RE: Lotta niggas had gotten into it with Berry Gordy too tho
Jul 28th 2014
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                          Umm. The Jay-Z as drug kingpin lie been dubunked forever ago.
Jul 28th 2014
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                               RE: Umm. The Jay-Z as drug kingpin lie been dubunked forever ago.
Jul 28th 2014
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                                    The Jay as drug lord was an ACT. He was nothing like that.
Jul 28th 2014
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                                         RE: The Jay as drug lord was an ACT. He was nothing like that.
Jul 28th 2014
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                                         Nah, you're wrong *youtube*
Jul 29th 2014
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                                              sauce money also alluded to jay being a legit drug dealer
Jul 29th 2014
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                                              RE: Nah, you're wrong *youtube*
Jul 29th 2014
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This isn't music discussion...at all
Jul 25th 2014
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I love Dame but he's a nutjob.
Jul 27th 2014
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RE: I love Dame but he's a nutjob.
Jul 27th 2014
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      RE: I love Dame but he's a nutjob.
Jul 27th 2014
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           True.
Jul 27th 2014
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           OKP won't even admit that Jay was a Kane flunkee...its a fact
Jul 28th 2014
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           Everybody has to start somewhere, bruh...
Jul 28th 2014
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           I don't even think it's a "shitty thing to do"
Jul 28th 2014
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                I'm with THIS
Jul 28th 2014
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Sidebar: The Black Keys are terrible.
Jul 27th 2014
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Yeah, Dame was better when he was doing this stealthily
Jul 27th 2014
54
im calling ducktales on him actually owning Rachel Roys clothing line
Jul 28th 2014
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Pretty sure Page Six is a gossip page, i.e. not a good source.
Jul 28th 2014
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He already said he sold part of it
Jul 28th 2014
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Lulz, you're out here fact checking posts for Dame
Jul 28th 2014
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      LOL...not me...I ain't the one referencing gossip sites
Jul 28th 2014
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           Sorry, Captain Save-A Dame
Jul 28th 2014
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                Damn...according to the Lesson, the Black Keys suck now, tho
Jul 28th 2014
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                     Yeah. They Black Keys def peaked with that song with Jim Jones
Jul 28th 2014
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                          Not sure what happened. They suck now, though.
Jul 28th 2014
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                               Corny.
Jul 29th 2014
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yea that and the lee daniels loan both sound like ducktales to me
Jul 28th 2014
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      Bwaahaha. Now y'all debating basic known facts...bwahahahaha
Jul 28th 2014
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           The amount of walking back you're doing today is admirable
Jul 28th 2014
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           Bwahaahah. Nah, y'all mad that Jay-Z was a mixtape rapper pre-Dame
Jul 28th 2014
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                In what universe is this true?
Jul 28th 2014
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                     Bwahaha Curren$y was a terrible down souf flunkee rapper pre Dame
Jul 28th 2014
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                          Curren$y was on the XXL Freshman list in 09. Pilot Talk was in '10
Jul 28th 2014
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                               Bwaahahahaa like Mickey Facts, Ace Hood and Charles Hamilton?
Jul 28th 2014
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                                    You mean the brand he created with a mixtape series
Jul 28th 2014
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                                         Bwahahahahaaha Curren$y: Down Souf rapper flunkee pre-Dame
Jul 29th 2014
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           i don't doubt he had to divest his ownership stake as part of the divorc...
Jul 28th 2014
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                Cool, so you admit you were lying about the Rachel Roy thing.
Jul 28th 2014
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1. "i couldn't make it past the boat, tshirt, and white robe."
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2. "lmao "
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18. "haha"
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3. "i love Dame, but i feel like his message always gets lost..."
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along the way if you let him talk for more than 2 minutes.

  

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6. "RE: i love Dame, but i feel like his message always gets lost..."
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>along the way if you let him talk for more than 2 minutes.
lmao! on point.

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4. "He should cut the cameras off and win in court first"
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After he wins a case, he can email copies of the decision to bloggers (with a summary of the court's holding). If Lyor did half of what he's alleging, he should be able to sue him successfully. Winning a lawsuit against Lyor would mean more than getting him to issue a public response, IMO.

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5. "take this shit to GD where it's relevant"
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7. "they should make this a series...Cypher wit Da Gods!"
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hip-hop legend
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kush and a camera...

...and, ACTION!

these dudes got some stories to tell

and I want to hear them ALL!

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you can't understand it with an explanation

  

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8. "Dame Dash is a hustler & former executive at a record label"
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what exactly makes him a hip-hop legend?

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9. "RE: Dame Dash is a hustler & former executive at a record label"
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>what exactly makes him a hip-hop legend? Roc-A-Fella Records

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10. "how many classic albums were released on Roc A Fella records?"
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i think Dame Dash is a culture vulture personally

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11. "Make your case"
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13. "i don't think it's complicated"
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he's a street hustler who saw dollar signs in hip-hop & latched onto it due to 1) his connections to legit street dudes that were also hip-hop culturally & 2) the general conflation of a specific time period in NY Street culture with the larger hip-hop culture that sprang from the streets & grew beyond it

to put it more simply, he's not an artist

he's a money man

so while i would never question that he was raised in the midst of hip-hop culture, he's always seemed more interested in pimping it & making it fit his vision of what it should be than anything else

he's associated w/ many artists that can certainly be called out when it comes to the supposed downfall & mainstream-ization of the culture

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22. "Bwahahaahaha. Backpacker rage for the loss"
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>he's a street hustler who saw dollar signs in hip-hop &
>latched onto it due to 1) his connections to legit street
>dudes that were also hip-hop culturally & 2) the general
>conflation of a specific time period in NY Street culture with
>the larger hip-hop culture that sprang from the streets & grew
>beyond it
>
>to put it more simply, he's not an artist
>
>he's a money man

Bwahahaha

>so while i would never question that he was raised in the
>midst of hip-hop culture, he's always seemed more interested
>in pimping it & making it fit his vision of what it should be
>than anything else

Just like any legitimate businessman

>he's associated w/ many artists that can certainly be called
>out when it comes to the supposed downfall &
>mainstream-ization of the culture

  

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24. "it's 2014 & you're still trying to insult ppl by calling them "backpacke..."
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39. "Its 2014 and you still mad at entrepreneurs. "
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41. "it's 2014 & you're still calling people "mad" in an attempt to shame the..."
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29. "Eh, Dame did have an eye for talent"
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He might be known for working with "street" rappers like Jay-Z, Cam'Ron, and Jim Jones, but he got his start work with groups like Future Sound and Original Flavor. He's continued to champion Ski throughout his career. And he was one of the first people to really believe in Kanye, back when he was the cat "with a Benz and backpack."

Whereas Lyor has spent most of his career as the money-man. He's spent his time in the trenches too (road managing for Run-DMC and Beastie Boys couldn't have been easy), but he was never the guy at Def Jam staking out talent.

I will also say that there's not nearly the huge difference between Dame and Lyor that Dame would like people to think that there is.

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45. "Yup."
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>I will also say that there's not nearly the huge difference
>between Dame and Lyor that Dame would like people to think
>that there is.

Which is why they probably butt heads so much. Like in the documentary when Dame was complaining about Def Jam giving out their jackets to his artists. That's something Dame probably would have done too if he was in the position to do so but, he wasn't.

Come to grips with the fact that most OKP's are of the Nut Hugger lineage, so, if you' re not part of the little cliques that exist 'round here, your posts will probably tank like Souljaboy's album sales.

  

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44. "This is where you lost me..."
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>he's associated w/ many artists that can certainly be called
>out when it comes to the supposed downfall &
>mainstream-ization of the culture

Cats been screaming that hip hop sold out from the moment it left the parks and ended up on wax.

There is no particular tipping point for when hip hop became "mainstream". There's always been that separation of the artists and the businessmen and then that rare symbiotic being that was/is both (Jay, Master P, Puff (in a sense), etc..).

Russell Simmonds was after the mainstream, Len Fichtelberg was after the mainstream, Tom Silverman was after the mainstream. They may have loved the art, but, you HAVE to find a way to make money off of it.

We can heap praises upon someone like PB Wolf for introducing us to artists like Mayer Hawthorne and Aloe Blacc, but, I'm sure it must bother him that he wasn't able to monetize those artists as much as he could have...

Come to grips with the fact that most OKP's are of the Nut Hugger lineage, so, if you' re not part of the little cliques that exist 'round here, your posts will probably tank like Souljaboy's album sales.

  

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56. "How would you distinguish him from Russell then?"
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You think Rush got in the record business for the love of the culture and donated all the money he made to charity? LMAO.

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57. "i never said anything about Russell Simmons"
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also post 10

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60. "I didn't say you did. I asked you 'how WOULD you distinguish..."
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...Dame from Russell"

It's a question. I'm looking for an answer.

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79. "i don't know how to answer that question"
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if you're fishing for me to say negative thing about Rush "Card" Simmons i got 'em on file but i don't know what the point is

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12. "RE: how many classic albums were released on Roc A Fella records?"
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One of the greatest rappers of all-time was on the label during his prime. That's all that matters. We go can go back and forth with what we consider classic and not agree.

And most of the people on the business side of hip hop are culture vultures.

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14. "RE: how many classic albums were released on Roc A Fella records?"
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>One of the greatest rappers of all-time was on the label
>during his prime. That's all that matters. We go can go back
>and forth with what we consider classic and not agree.

so not one album you can call a classic w/o it being a questionable statement?

i mean truth be told, as many low IQ dudes as there are who will cry about my backpack when i say it, Rawkus had a better run than the Roc


>And most of the people on the business side of hip hop are
>culture vultures.

that's my point

but i think the thing ppl are still struggling w/ to this day is that these are the cats we handed the keys of the kingdom to

cause money & business mean a lot more to Rap heads than most if not all other genres fans

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16. "RE: how many classic albums were released on Roc A Fella records?"
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Wed Jul-23-14 06:53 PM by Nick Has a Problem..

  

          

Rawkus had a better run to us, the purists but you have to look beyond the purists too. But I agree that Rawkus had a better run with Funcrusher Plus, Black Star, Internal Affairs, BOBS and Train of Thought. They also had a lot of stuff I didn't fuck with too.

There are only a few indisputable classics out there. A lot of the stuff we consider classics are just classics on a personal level.

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17. "no doubt, but i'm still confused as to what a "purist" is in hip-hop"
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Funcrusher for example

that shit was decidedly "left" (not in the political sense)...it wasn't conservative traditional Rap, it was very avant & radical, beats & rhymes

so wouldn't a "purist" hate that?

or BOBS...

lots of compositional & "live" elements, isn't that also somewhat at least against the grain as far as notions of being a "purist" go?

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19. "RE: no doubt, but i'm still confused as to what a "purist" is in hip-hop"
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>Funcrusher for example
>
>that shit was decidedly "left" (not in the political
>sense)...it wasn't conservative traditional Rap, it was very
>avant & radical, beats & rhymes
>
>so wouldn't a "purist" hate that?
>
>or BOBS...
>
>lots of compositional & "live" elements, isn't that also
>somewhat at least against the grain as far as notions of being
>a "purist" go?
>
>

There's limited purity to so-called purists to me...that is why it can be so tough to define. Even more, it is an easy argument to label the more typical 'purist' as limited in their scope of what they consider hiphop to be. This is sad of course because hiphop was always a rebellion against limitations at its base. Or at least that it what I think now looking back at it all.

Backing up...'I like it or I don't like it' is where music discussion can still have a solid base. When we all turned into The Source (classix!, lyrical!, illmatic!, golden age!) or started falling for the old herd trick and allowing ourselves to join/create little gangs of alleged like-minded 'fans', we sold ourselves into music nerd slavery and started enjoying music a little less with every 'classic' convo or argument revolving around pop vs real, hiphop vs rap, regional bias shenanigans, or whatever. Or at least that is what I'm more and more afraid of as I come here or go anywhere to speak/write on music.

We have to get back into 'have you heard this', 'who is this', 'don't sleep on this from back in the day', etc, etc. For now, too many post here and everywhere lean on disallusion, disdain, angst, and/or anger. And we're never had more access to music from the past up until right now. That's sad to/for me.

  

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20. "RE: no doubt, but i'm still confused as to what a "purist" is in hip-hop"
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You have a point there. Purist do have a tendency to want to box hip hop into one thing. I won't say purist but the fans of rap who look beyond the radio/video for good music. We can enjoy mainstream and under the radar artist equally. We can appreciate a Funcrusher Plus and a illmatic on the same level regardless of the popularity of the obvious classic. Some people will shit on Funcrusher Plus because "it wasn't on the radio" or some other BS reason.

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47. "Rawkus' business side was MAD shady too..."
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There's still a lot of cats who didn't get checks that they deserve from those cats. Just because they were signing the kinds of artists that you like doesn't mean they were doing good business.

Go read some of the stories from cats like Hi-Tek on how they were trying to stifle his growth, etc...

>i mean truth be told, as many low IQ dudes as there are who
>will cry about my backpack when i say it, Rawkus had a better
>run than the Roc

Artistically, yes.

>>And most of the people on the business side of hip hop are
>>culture vultures.
>
>that's my point
>
>but i think the thing ppl are still struggling w/ to this day
>is that these are the cats we handed the keys of the kingdom
>to
>
>cause money & business mean a lot more to Rap heads than most
>if not all other genres fans

This is mainly because mainstream rap culture in and of itself perpetuates the importance of money in EVERYTHING that we do. You gotta talk about your jewelry, the expensive items you buy your chick, how many records you sold, what car you're driving, etc...

I'm not complaining about it, it is what it is, but, when the music consists of so much of that, it's hard not to expect the audience to not ALSO place a huge importance on such things. If one rapper "appears" to have more money than others, or if he sold more records than his contemporaries, that now validates him, somewhat, as THE alpha male.

But, the same thing is existent in the movie industry. It's ALL about opening weekend numbers and, because the media puts such a huge emphasis on this, you can catch many a moviegoer spouting off these numbers verbatim in an attempt to make it seem as if they have some intimate knowledge of the industry.

Same shit in the rap game. I remember one time, in Scratch magazine, Mr. Collipark was spewing off at the mouth that Kanye's Late Registration was the best album of that year because it did the most numbers. Period. No discussion. Now, this was when he was still doing numbers with groups like Ying Yang and Soulja Boy. When his run ended, was he still as adamant that sales were the only barometer?

Fact is, rap/hip-hop needs it's own Oscars. An award show that ACTUALLY rewards albums for being good, not just doing numbers. With REAL subcategories that reflect what hip hop truly is.

Not some bs where Rihanna is as likely to get nominated for best female rap artist as Invincible.

And, although it might be easy to think that folks like Pitchfork might be best to handle such a thing, NOPE. They almost always either go for in for stuff that's REALLY left field or REALLY mainstream. Almost no middle ground.

That last part was just a rant, but, it felt fitting.

Come to grips with the fact that most OKP's are of the Nut Hugger lineage, so, if you' re not part of the little cliques that exist 'round here, your posts will probably tank like Souljaboy's album sales.

  

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55. "all these companies are im talking abt the music"
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96. "Ok."
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I get you.

Come to grips with the fact that most OKP's are of the Nut Hugger lineage, so, if you' re not part of the little cliques that exist 'round here, your posts will probably tank like Souljaboy's album sales.

  

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30. "RE: they should make this a series...Cypher wit Da Gods!"
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the same guy that uploaded this has a bunch of Dame interviews. a lot of them are rambling about the same things over & over. but there are some gems that I think a better host/moderator/interviewer would help draw out.

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34. "Im hip, Dame's rants definitely need editing"
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I'll be with Dame too on what he's is saying, until he just keeps going and going and going..do a pause joke..going and going..lol

The one with Redman talking about Lyor is funny because for most of the vid Reggie is kinda just chillin letting him go, Reggie will say one point..then let Dame go some more (knowing it aint no point in trying to engage or argue with a cat like that).




  

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32. "aka "Who You Trying to Impress? w/ Dame Dash""
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15. "Dame reminds me of motormouths I know who can rant for hours "
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about essentially one or two points. Like some marathon Fidel Castro speech, or something.

  

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21. "he played himself with the combat jack interviews"
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i mentioned in the original CBJ thread that it was dumb for him to go on a clear channel podcast to complain about someone working in CC's interest (culture vultures)
now he's mad CBJ granted dude an interview immediately after his and threw softball questions?
lol, CBJ trying get them sponsors first and foremost and CC get paid off all that anyway
dame is fighting a losing battle while all the dudes stepping in line are winning (CBJ, Jay, etc)

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23. "His gripes & rants are becoming more and more difficult to follow "
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If his lawyer can't keep up, I don't know how he can expect us to.

  

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25. "Dame misses being famous"
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The aging hustler is always depressing.

  

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36. "he misses being famous and he seems a little bitter"
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26. "Dame always saying "I don't want this to be emotional""
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but dude is clearly upset whenever he feels the need to say that.

  

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27. "man hold up. Dame is mad that he got jerked"
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but mentioned on multiple occasions in the CBJ interview that he was jerking Just Blaze.

I really don't think Dame was ever built for AAA ball.

  

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28. "You're gonna pause to explain net vs. gross? Ctrl + W I'm done. "
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31. "RE: Dame Dash goes at Combat Jack [VIDEO]"
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I think the big problem is.. those dudes dame always clowned.. have the power now.. and he can't do anything about it

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33. "message"
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!

*Watch my gay ol' music video: "HAM" http://youtu.be/0GKoEGDPirU
*Listen to my gay ol' song: "Yes Homo" http://youtu.be/_1H30pzN7cE
*Stream/download my gay ol' mixtape: http://cformusic.com/

  

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37. "ouch"
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38. "exactly, even a guy like Just"
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who dame tried to clown as recently as his CJ interview while Just was there. Just now tours as a DJ, prolly gets plenty cake for making beats still. He's exec producing the new Slaughterhouse album.

Without a superstar like Jay where the label higher ups put up with Dame's shit because of JAY, they just laugh at him and don't take him seriously now. It's like Lebron and his buddies in Cleveland. Gilbert put up with the non sense.

Dame burned a lot of bridges along the way and no one wants to work with a cat like that.


He ALWAYS talks about the project with The Black Keys...
Wasn't really innovative, though he did catch them at the perfect time. They were just about to take that next step in notoriety.
Most of the people on this board knew of them before that project I'm sure.
Why hasn't he done anything else with them?
Because after they got their checks, if they got them, lol...
They probably said, lets get outta here. Tired of that loud mouth.
Plus, their rates probably went waaaaaay up and he can't afford them now.

He's been saying a 2nd one would come out... that's not happening.
At least with the Black Keys. Maybe he can get the Black Locksmiths.

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40. "Lulz...you can't put Just Blaze on Dame's level, big guy"
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>who dame tried to clown as recently as his CJ interview while
>Just was there. Just now tours as a DJ, prolly gets plenty
>cake for making beats still. He's exec producing the new
>Slaughterhouse album.

Dame only recently started talking about Rachel Roy, but
it is an actual clothing like worth 50 million, and he
does own it. That's an entirely different scale of business
that Just Blaze operates in.


>Without a superstar like Jay where the label higher ups put up
>with Dame's shit because of JAY, they just laugh at him and
>don't take him seriously now. It's like Lebron and his buddies
>in Cleveland. Gilbert put up with the non sense.

Nah, Jay was given a fair chance to compete because of
Dame.

Before Dame, Jay was a Big Daddy Kane flunkee, and that's
not my opinion.


>He ALWAYS talks about the project with The Black Keys...
>Wasn't really innovative, though he did catch them at the
>perfect time. They were just about to take that next step in
>notoriety.

LOL! Do you say that every time a white exec signs a black
rapper who already had buzz? Double standard.

Dame has an eye for talent. You can think he's a scumbag
and admit that. As in, an ACTUAL eye for talent.

>Most of the people on this board knew of them before that
>project I'm sure.

No, they didn't.

>Why hasn't he done anything else with them?
>Because after they got their checks, if they got them, lol...
>They probably said, lets get outta here. Tired of that loud
>mouth.

Or they collaborated and went in their own directions,
just like many other collaborators. You act like they
should have been signed to Rocafella

>Plus, their rates probably went waaaaaay up and he can't
>afford them now.
>
>He's been saying a 2nd one would come out... that's not
>happening.
>At least with the Black Keys. Maybe he can get the Black
>Locksmiths.

Yeah, you mad


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42. "the lesson is music discussion, Just Blaze actually, yknow, makes music"
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51. "Dame out here making youtube vids like Jaz-O"
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Jay was gonna make it regardless.
A talent like that doesn't slip and fall through the cracks.

The Black Keys, Jay, Just, Lyor, shit even Currensy...
none of them are mad.

It's just Dame and you.

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53. "Hahahaha....Jay was a broke Big Daddy Kane chain holding flunkee"
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Jay is ONE YEAR younger than Kane. ONE.

Jay has certainly surpassed Kane, but that he was a
flunkee of his isn't really up for debate


  

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68. "stahp all the extras"
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Dame lookin' crazy out here

wait, where you the one holding the camera

is that why you riding so hard for Dame?

you better than this

you and I agree that Dame's role in the proliferation of rap to the masses (and Jay's) career is undeniable, and he got an eye for talent

but he seem salty as fuck

he was a dickhead asshole who burnt bridges and misses the bright lights

  

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69. "actually OE is correct about this"
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>
>Jay is ONE YEAR younger than Kane. ONE.
>
>Jay has certainly surpassed Kane, but that he was a
>flunkee of his isn't really up for debate

Jay-Z was on the path to being that guy who had that "cool" song on Rap City for a week if not for linking up with Dame

  

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83. "But it wasn't like Dame was setting the world on fire pre-Jay"
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I liked both Future Sounds and Original Flavor, but they were very much two groups putting out the tracks that were hot for a sec on Rap City/The Box and then disappearing. Each needed the other to really blow up. Then Jay kept on exploding post-Dame, while Dame's star has fallen.

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86. "Bwahhahaha niggas coppin PLEAS!!!!"
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>I liked both Future Sounds and Original Flavor, but they were
>very much two groups putting out the tracks that were hot for
>a sec on Rap City/The Box and then disappearing. Each needed
>the other to really blow up. Then Jay kept on exploding
>post-Dame, while Dame's star has fallen.

Umm Jay "kept on exploding" after he'd gone from Big Daddy
Kane flunkee to superstar

Jay's white friends ACTIVELY CUT Damon out and blacklisted
him

Not even mad, but that IS what happened

Its a fact

Dame might have deserved it

But that he was ACTIVELY removed is true

He didn't fall because his artistic vision was bad

He discovered Currensy right after that

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91. "Seriously, what are you talking about?"
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Neither Jay or Dame were rocking the music world pre-Reasonable Doubt. They needed each other to blow up. That's indisputable. It wasn't like Dame was a Berry Gordy figure before that. He was a manager with a couple of acts. They used each other to get rich.

And I didn't say or imply that Dame's star fell post break-up because Jay was the only trick in his bag. But it did fall for whatever reason. Apparently because he pissed off too many people on the way up.

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93. "Dame discovered Kayne West too. "
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And signed him to Rocafella when he was completely
out of sync with everything else going on in hip-hop

I'm just saying breh, dude's record is pretty much
second to none

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95. "Indeed. I said as much in #29"
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Subject line was even "Dame did have an eye for talent."

In terms of spotting/developing talent and helping them achieve financial success, there's nothing wrong with his record post-Jay. But he's been burning too many bridges with a lot of these artists as of late, and it's been costing him.

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101. "LOL at DAMON DASH discovered Currensy."
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At the time of the Pilot Talk 1 release...
Currensy had already dropped 2 independent albums:
(CD and Digital Download)
- This Ain't No Mixtape
- Jet Files

and had a GANG of mixtapes that people were talking about:
Life at 30,000 Ft
Winner's Circle
Techmo Bowl
Fast Times
a damn mix tape with WIZ

ALL before Dame DISCOVERED Currensy.
Get outta here.

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102. "He already had deals with Master P and Wayne"
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That mixtape run you mentioned was what really started his career.

  

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104. "yeah I remember he had a lil .jpeg photo"
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in one of the No Limit catalogs, errr, album booklets.
Currency - Coming Soon.


Yep, deal with Young Money / Cash Money as well.
Had a single released with a Wayne feature.

The mix tape run was the starting point though.
He was pretty popular on here around that time.
More interest with each mix tape release.

Saying Dame "discovered" Currensy is flat out wrong.

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108. "He was a flunkee with both, changed up his steez with Dame"
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Dame brought him to New York, where he now has a huge
fanbase, and was the key to his growth


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82. "Dame wrote RD, BP1, AG, Black Album?"
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Dame wrote Jigga What, HKL, Empire State, Big Pimpin'?

I could go on.

Sure Dame helped Jay get his foot in the door...
Jay held the the door open for all of Rocafella's artists to walk through it.

Dame had a STABLE of artists after the split.

How many good albums did he put out with that stable of artists?
Shute, how many albums in general did he put out with that stable?

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43. "Black Keys hate Dame too"
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Nobody likes Dame after the work with him.

  

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64. "Yeah, Black Keys' music has gotten worse since then too"
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As has Jay-Z's

And Currency's

Dame is a nutjob, but those are facts

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65. "hold up what? didn't know this. wow dudes reputation is TRASH"
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thing about it
is i could ride for dame if it were only label execs that hated him
but the same artists he's supposedly championing for hate his ass too
black keys, currency, beans smh

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71. "Lotta niggas had gotten into it with Berry Gordy too tho"
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Don't mean dude's eye for talent isn't the best ever

Jay-Z is a Percee P without Damon Dash

Dope underground rapper, gets mad love

But mogul? Bwahaahahah no


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81. "RE: Lotta niggas had gotten into it with Berry Gordy too tho"
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Let's not act like paper bags full of Jay's money did not play a part in all this.

All of these things are true. Dame clearly had a great eye for talent and was good at building his brand. He is also known to be a shady businessman and terrible person, the combination of which is why no one ever wants to keep working with him.

And yes, that makes all this stuff about him sticking up for artists even sillier.

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89. "Umm. The Jay-Z as drug kingpin lie been dubunked forever ago. "
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That was never true

"I'm in the game since 88"

Umm

So he was a kingpin while opening for Big Daddy Kane,
getting no love?

No, he wasn't.

Sure, he sold. But so did everyone in that era. Everyone
who sold drugs wasn't Nicky Barnes.

The "Jay as drug kinpin" was mostly a Damon Dash
masterminded marketing ploy, because DAME was actually a hustler,
Jay not really.

Nicky Barnes is from Harlem, just like Dame. That whole ploy,
the executive rapper shit...is Dame.

Jay was a struggling wordplay rapper who had the
best mentor ever in Kane...took the hustler/street shit with
Dame, evolved it to fit the times...and found the PERFECT guy
to built his brand.

And Jay did it to death, and he deserves everything he gets.

But the facts are the facts.

Its not debatable.


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92. "RE: Umm. The Jay-Z as drug kingpin lie been dubunked forever ago. "
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Sorry but this is just wrong. Ski has said it. Everyone in NYC who knows, knows.

There is also a lot of real estate between doing a little something on the side and being a "drug kingpin", as anyone who has lived that lifestyle will tell you.


Legally, Jay may have been a kingpin but he damn sure was not Nicky Barnes. Nor did I ever hear him described as a "kingpin" until your post really. He was a dude getting money.


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94. "The Jay as drug lord was an ACT. He was nothing like that. "
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Its not a debate


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100. "RE: The Jay as drug lord was an ACT. He was nothing like that. "
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Total bullshit and I know of what I speak. But as usual you can't keep yourself from talking about stuff you don't know about.

If Jay's whole drug dealer thing was an act, he damn sure would have been called out for it by now. For all the enemies Jay has racked up, battles and beefs, no one has ever really challenged the idea that he was a very successful drug dealer at one time.


Not Cam
Not Nas
Not Seigel
Not 50
Not Prodigy

Not even Dame, who according to you was the one who was really selling all the coke?

So, hugely successful rapper who built his career on the persona of being a former drug dealer of some note, in the game forever now, and no one ever calls him out on this?

You are a funny little guy tho so keep going

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103. "Nah, you're wrong *youtube*"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OI1B_5q93Y

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106. "sauce money also alluded to jay being a legit drug dealer"
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like dude above said though it's a lot of space between selling nick bags and setting up bi plane deliveries
jay z could have been getting 90k a yr in (80s/90s money) and been ballin in his hood
not a kingpin but def a "boss" by hood standards

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107. "RE: Nah, you're wrong *youtube*"
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Fam, he just makes shit up for no damn reason. Then he says it's not up for debate. While being clearly, demonstrably wrong and offering not one shred of evidence to support his erroneous thesis.

It's very odd.

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35. "This isn't music discussion...at all"
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GD?

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46. "I love Dame but he's a nutjob."
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His bad attitude got him where he is, he became too much of a liability of Jay-Z at a certain point. Jay wouldn't have been able to progress to the level he's at right now in pop (read: white) culture if he didn't ditch Dame and a few of his old artists like Beanie. It's a pretty cutthroat way of going about things and I question his loyalty as a human being, but it was also essential to his development. Ain't no love in the heart of the city.

One thing that makes no sense, though: why is Dame trying to rationalize handshake deals? Why is nothing, like his $2 million dollar loan to Lee Daniels or "signing" Curren$y, ever on paper now? I would take him for a better businessman than that.

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48. "RE: I love Dame but he's a nutjob."
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>His bad attitude got him where he is, he became too much of a
>liability of Jay-Z at a certain point. Jay wouldn't have been
>able to progress to the level he's at right now in pop (read:
>white) culture if he didn't ditch Dame and a few of his old
>artists like Beanie. It's a pretty cutthroat way of going
>about things and I question his loyalty as a human being, but
>it was also essential to his development. Ain't no love in the
>heart of the city.

Why question his loyalty? Why should Jay keep trying to save cats that a doing a great job of endangering themselves and their careers? Look at what happened to both Dame and Beanie after jay left them to their own devices? These are grown ass men. If they can't control their ego (Dame) and homicidal tendencies (Beanie), then why keep them around so that their drama can mess your money? Some sick sense of loyalty?

Come to grips with the fact that most OKP's are of the Nut Hugger lineage, so, if you' re not part of the little cliques that exist 'round here, your posts will probably tank like Souljaboy's album sales.

  

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50. "RE: I love Dame but he's a nutjob."
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>Why question his loyalty? Why should Jay keep trying to save
>cats that a doing a great job of endangering themselves and
>their careers? Look at what happened to both Dame and Beanie
>after jay left them to their own devices? These are grown ass
>men. If they can't control their ego (Dame) and homicidal
>tendencies (Beanie), then why keep them around so that their
>drama can mess your money? Some sick sense of loyalty?

I mean, we basically agree: both those dudes were a huge liability for Jay.

However: it's one of those same liabilities that put Jay on, that got his records in radio rotation way back when, etc. -- I'm not saying Jay didn't do the smart thing, or the right thing, just that it's kind of a shitty thing to do to a friend. Tough position to be in.

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52. "True."
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>However: it's one of those same liabilities that put Jay on,
>that got his records in radio rotation way back when, etc. --
>I'm not saying Jay didn't do the smart thing, or the right
>thing, just that it's kind of a shitty thing to do to a
>friend. Tough position to be in.

Come to grips with the fact that most OKP's are of the Nut Hugger lineage, so, if you' re not part of the little cliques that exist 'round here, your posts will probably tank like Souljaboy's album sales.

  

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58. "OKP won't even admit that Jay was a Kane flunkee...its a fact"
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He was a Kane chain holder and flunkee

His not as witty, charming, or dope brother

He's ONE year younger than Kane...Jay was trying to get
on the entire time, but wasn't good enough in an era
when being a good rapper actually mattered

Jay was affected by being shitty and overlooked for
10 years, and learned

He got with a real business mind, who knew how to market
and build a brand

the rest is history

Dame did that, not Jay...really not debatable...Jay opened
shows for Kane for YEARS...nobody signed him. Why? Because
he didn't have anything going for him...wasn't as good as
Kane lyrically, didn't have a style

Dame is the one who crafted the whole super drug dealer shit,b
because its well known now that Jay wasn't nearly as deep in
that game as he said

you can admit this and still LOVE Jay Z btw...I'm a HUGE
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97. "Everybody has to start somewhere, bruh..."
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>
>He was a Kane chain holder and flunkee
>
>His not as witty, charming, or dope brother

Most cats in the game today started out in SOMEONE'S camp as a flunkee. Show me WHICH rapper just got on without the assistance of anyone else? I'm sure Kane sure has hell Big Daddy Kane started off in someone's camp. Don't try to use these obvious rites of passage as a means to take a jab at that man.

>He's ONE year younger than Kane...Jay was trying to get
>on the entire time, but wasn't good enough in an era
>when being a good rapper actually mattered

By that logic, he should have NEVER gotten on if he was that bad. Yes, maybe he wasn't where he needed to be to get that break AT THAT POINT, but, don't make it seem as if the man has grown stylistically since '87 (although he has regressed recently). I can see why someone wouldn't have signed him when he was on that fast rap stuff. Too one track. Once he found his style, it was all upwards from there.

>Jay was affected by being shitty and overlooked for
>10 years, and learned

BAck then, most cats HAD to put in that much time before they got put on. It was an entirely different time. It's not like today when you can make a catchy song and get put on within a month after only rapping for like a year. But, how long do those kind of cats stick around?

>He got with a real business mind, who knew how to market
>and build a brand
>
>the rest is history

I'll give you that.
>Dame did that, not Jay...really not debatable...Jay opened
>shows for Kane for YEARS...nobody signed him. Why? Because
>he didn't have anything going for him...wasn't as good as
>Kane lyrically, didn't have a style

Love it when cats try to make a claim and then state that it can't be countered. EVERYTHING is debatable. Some things moreso than others, but everything is. Honestly, I don't think Kane would have had him opening for him if he didn't think he was good. And, yes he did have a style at that time, which was fast rap.

>Dame is the one who crafted the whole super drug dealer
>shit,b
>because its well known now that Jay wasn't nearly as deep in
>that game as he said

PLEASE show me these well known facts. Don't just claim something without producing SOLID evidence towards it's existence. Stating something AS fact doesn't make it such.

I'm not saying that he WAS the super drug dealer that he claimed to be, but, if you're gonna sit here and say stuff like "well know now", then, you need to show and prove.

And, please no forum posts with dudes giving their opinion, just as you are doing.


>you can admit this and still LOVE Jay Z btw...I'm a HUGE
>fan and admit this

Come to grips with the fact that most OKP's are of the Nut Hugger lineage, so, if you' re not part of the little cliques that exist 'round here, your posts will probably tank like Souljaboy's album sales.

  

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62. "I don't even think it's a "shitty thing to do""
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>However: it's one of those same liabilities that put Jay on,
>that got his records in radio rotation way back when, etc. --
>I'm not saying Jay didn't do the smart thing, or the right
>thing, just that it's kind of a shitty thing to do to a
>friend. Tough position to be in.

The company line that Dame and others like to assert is that Dame put Jay on from the "In My Lifetime" single on, so now Jay now owes him loyalty forever. But Dame benefited just as much as Jay as Jay ever did from Dame. You could say that Dame wasn't really making any real noise with his pre-Jay Z artists. It wasn't until Jay blew up that Dame got rich.

Jay made Dame a shitload of money. And then he left to deal with Def Jam exclusively. And it wasn't even like Jay jerked Dame for money on the way out, he just took the better deal. It has happened throughout all music history, usually on less amicable terms. It was business, and you'd think someone like Dame, who fashions himself as a pure businessman/hustler, would understand that.

Shoot, slavish loyalty to early investors has already sunk venerable institutions in hip-hop. See: The Source with David Mills devotion to Benzino.

Now, to Dame's credit, in the video he's maintaining that his beef is with Lyor, not Jay. That's cool, but that really wasn't the line you were giving even a year ago.

As for the shit with Beanie, I can't fault Jay for that at all. Beanie has a long history of fucking up, even after years of Jay trying to mentor him and taking him under his wing. It's not Jay's responsibility to pick dude up everytime he decides to fuck his own life up. After a while, you gotta want to help yourself.

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98. "I'm with THIS"
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>The company line that Dame and others like to assert is that
>Dame put Jay on from the "In My Lifetime" single on, so now
>Jay now owes him loyalty forever. But Dame benefited just as
>much as Jay as Jay ever did from Dame. You could say that Dame
>wasn't really making any real noise with his pre-Jay Z
>artists. It wasn't until Jay blew up that Dame got rich.

This makes the MOST sense to me. They basically BOTH needed each other in order to make it to the top. And, many times, that's really how things work in most business relationships.

>Jay made Dame a shitload of money. And then he left to deal
>with Def Jam exclusively. And it wasn't even like Jay jerked
>Dame for money on the way out, he just took the better deal.
>It has happened throughout all music history, usually on less
>amicable terms. It was business, and you'd think someone like
>Dame, who fashions himself as a pure businessman/hustler,
>would understand that.

He seems to be saying as much nowadays.

>Shoot, slavish loyalty to early investors has already sunk
>venerable institutions in hip-hop. See: The Source with David
>Mills devotion to Benzino.

>Now, to Dame's credit, in the video he's maintaining that his
>beef is with Lyor, not Jay. That's cool, but that really
>wasn't the line you were giving even a year ago.
>
>As for the shit with Beanie, I can't fault Jay for that at
>all. Beanie has a long history of fucking up, even after years
>of Jay trying to mentor him and taking him under his wing.
>It's not Jay's responsibility to pick dude up everytime he
>decides to fuck his own life up. After a while, you gotta want
>to help yourself.

YES SIR!!

Come to grips with the fact that most OKP's are of the Nut Hugger lineage, so, if you' re not part of the little cliques that exist 'round here, your posts will probably tank like Souljaboy's album sales.

  

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49. "Sidebar: The Black Keys are terrible."
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54. "Yeah, Dame was better when he was doing this stealthily "
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Now he's just another dude barking at the industry

And its mostly the same message over and over and over

Sad

He should have stayed quiet and sniper-ish with it

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59. "im calling ducktales on him actually owning Rachel Roys clothing line"
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he was definitely an initial investor..but im thinking that he sold his stake along the way as the company signed whatever glorified licensing deal with the distributor..either way don't think that investment even if he still holds it is as valuable as he makes it out to be.

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61. "Pretty sure Page Six is a gossip page, i.e. not a good source."
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Peace,

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63. "He already said he sold part of it"
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Good grief, you mad

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66. "Lulz, you're out here fact checking posts for Dame"
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Maybe he'll let you smell his finger now!

  

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70. "LOL...not me...I ain't the one referencing gossip sites"
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I'm just reporting what he said

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73. "Sorry, Captain Save-A Dame"
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http://www.mtv.com/news/1671617/black-keys-blakroc-2/

It's a pattern. Dame steals music from artists and tries to sell it without their permission. Why does he need to do this if he's making so much money off fashion?

  

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76. "Damn...according to the Lesson, the Black Keys suck now, tho"
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Seems like Dame had them doing better music than they
are doing now

Dame: horrible person, smarter than his white counterparts,
and better eye for talent than just about anyone

I'm comfortable with that

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85. "Yeah. They Black Keys def peaked with that song with Jim Jones"
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88. "Not sure what happened. They suck now, though. "
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Dame went after them when they were talented, the same
way he always seems to find talent



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105. "Corny."
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Cameo
Soundshape Records

  

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67. "yea that and the lee daniels loan both sound like ducktales to me"
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dame needs to focus on paying his Vamp Life interns before Jimmy starts hating his ass too

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72. "Bwaahaha. Now y'all debating basic known facts...bwahahahaha "
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You don't think he started and owns Rachel Roy?


I mean, he already said he sold a chunk of it, just
like most clothing line owners

I mean, I think Dame sounds like a dumbass in these recent
interviews, but now y'all going back and rewriting
basic facts....Jay-Z was a broke chain holder before Dame

Fact

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74. "The amount of walking back you're doing today is admirable"
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>
>I mean, I think Dame sounds like a dumbass in these recent
>interviews,


Dude was your Moses like 12 seconds ago. He sounds no dumber in this sad web series than he did in his Combat Jack ramblings.

  

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75. "Bwahaahah. Nah, y'all mad that Jay-Z was a mixtape rapper pre-Dame"
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That's a fact

And that Dame don't own a company that he owns

That's a fact

That's the problem with y'all

Self esteem too low, so you go too far

I'm a refined, sexy black man who exercises balance
and impartiality

Dame looks fat and sound rambly now

He's still right about Lyor, and everyone knows that

He still discovered Currensy and transformed Jay
from a mixtape rapper into a mogul

Those are facts

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77. "In what universe is this true?"
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>He still discovered Currensy and transformed Jay
>from a mixtape rapper into a mogul

Curren$y had already been signed by two people more famous than Dame/been an XXL Freshman by the time Pilot Talk 1 was out.

  

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80. "Bwahaha Curren$y was a terrible down souf flunkee rapper pre Dame"
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His buzz, branding, all the fly videos and style came
after his link with Dame

Bwahahahahahahahaha

This is afact


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84. "Curren$y was on the XXL Freshman list in 09. Pilot Talk was in '10"
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Why does Dame needs magazines to tell him who to sign if he's such a visionary?

  

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87. "Bwaahahahaa like Mickey Facts, Ace Hood and Charles Hamilton?"
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Bwahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaha

JUST SAY LOOK FAT AND RAMBLY NOW!!

I got your back, breh

But y'all fucking yourselves up trying to SQUEEZE these
other arguments

Curren$y HAD (as in, prior to signing that shitty 360 deal)
one of the BEST most authentic brands...that was Dame. its
not debatable?

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99. "You mean the brand he created with a mixtape series"
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made before Dame was in the picture?

Dame doesn't do shit. He just stands next to actually talented people in videos.



  

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109. "Bwahahahahaaha Curren$y: Down Souf rapper flunkee pre-Dame"
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Not debatable breh

Just say Dame look fat and rambly...he does

But you making an ass of yourself right now breh


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78. "i don't doubt he had to divest his ownership stake as part of the divorc..."
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i'm just doubting that he made significant money
that lee daniels thing i think is straight up ducktales though

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90. "Cool, so you admit you were lying about the Rachel Roy thing. "
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Because you have no basis to be skeptical about that,
and have no idea how much money Rachel Roy makes.

Aight, we good then.


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