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John Forte
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"How do people lose the ability to rap?"


          

I understand how an artist can fall behind the times or lose their creative juice, but how do people become bad rappers. Take Nas for example, he will never duplicate his 90s form, in terms if creativity and vitality, but he's still a competent (if boring) rapper. Now look at Common; the nigga is objectively terrible...so much so, that it's hard to convinve people who aren't familiar with his early material that he was a ever a good rapper.

  

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everything in your post is false
Jul 11th 2014
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lol, every word
Jul 11th 2014
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Yep.
Jul 11th 2014
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Dude providing the worst possible circumstantial evidence
Jul 11th 2014
18
seriously
Jul 15th 2014
46
You're the same cat that don't like P-Funk, right?
Jul 11th 2014
3
that's cold...lol.
Jul 11th 2014
8
LMAO!
Jul 11th 2014
17
Common is not a bad rapper, you could even argue that he's better now
Jul 11th 2014
5
Nas is better...I don't think Common is...
Jul 11th 2014
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Common's 2014 flow is terrible and amaterish
Jul 11th 2014
15
      No it's not.
Jul 11th 2014
19
RE: Common is not a bad rapper, you could even argue that he's better no...
Jul 11th 2014
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      These two are my all time favorites
Jul 15th 2014
44
           Com and Nas also my two faves all time.
Jul 15th 2014
45
           RE: These two are my all time favorites
Jul 15th 2014
47
the same way you lose the ability to do anything probably.
Jul 11th 2014
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Thought it was gonna be about Rakim or KRS.
Jul 11th 2014
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Rakim and KRS are still TECHNICALLY sound rappers
Jul 11th 2014
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There's nothing else quite like it
Jul 11th 2014
10
RE: How do people lose the ability to rap?
Jul 11th 2014
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It's a problem most artists face.
Jul 11th 2014
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^^^^True
Jul 12th 2014
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stick to GD homeboy
Jul 11th 2014
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^^^ this
Jul 12th 2014
20
Way to kill a post with potential
Jul 12th 2014
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Com neve lost his step rap wise
Jul 12th 2014
22
Nostalgia and pace...
Jul 13th 2014
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Ghostface is a case study for this. You can hear him digress
Jul 13th 2014
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ghost is arguably the GOAT.
Jul 13th 2014
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      Ghost is easily top 10 if not top 5 of all time.
Jul 13th 2014
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Mostly lack of interest, one way or another
Jul 13th 2014
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This post instantly turned into a pile-on lol when the OP did
Jul 13th 2014
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Actually, Nas was my counter-example. He's still sharp
Jul 13th 2014
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Oh ok, I stand corrected
Jul 13th 2014
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yea gotta know your audience lol
Jul 14th 2014
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      Lol, half these fuckers drooling at the chance to hate
Jul 22nd 2014
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Its about laziness. Not ability.
Jul 13th 2014
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This is probably it
Jul 14th 2014
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I think you are noticing the inability to adapt to changing standards
Jul 13th 2014
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I agree with your subject line and last line.
Jul 14th 2014
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Your login's namesake would have been a better example
Jul 13th 2014
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Cute attempt at wittiness, but John Forte can still spit like a mufucka
Jul 14th 2014
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      In 2014 though? I havent heard nothing from him since he got out
Jul 14th 2014
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           The StyleFREE EP was dope...
Jul 14th 2014
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wha?? this post makes zero sense
Jul 14th 2014
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I think its less about ablitity being less
Jul 14th 2014
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RE: How do people lose the ability to rap?
Jul 14th 2014
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they be getting fat and old and shit.
Jul 15th 2014
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G Rap's discography is laughing at this post
Jul 17th 2014
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      i'm laughing @ G Rap's discography.
Jul 22nd 2014
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           You shouldn't be
Jul 22nd 2014
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                good for him.
Jul 22nd 2014
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At a certain point, it's tough to continue playing the guessing game
Jul 17th 2014
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RE: At a certain point, it's tough to continue playing the guessing game
Jul 21st 2014
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Just unwillingness to change/update the styles
Jul 21st 2014
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Reminds me of the new song I heard by early 90's harlem group Zhigge.
Jul 21st 2014
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Dude said Nas was boring. L's
Jul 22nd 2014
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Present day Nas is boring. He's still a great emcee though
Jul 22nd 2014
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astralblak
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1. "everything in your post is false"
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2. "lol, every word"
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4. "Yep."
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18. "Dude providing the worst possible circumstantial evidence"
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46. "seriously"
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3. "You're the same cat that don't like P-Funk, right?"
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8. "that's cold...lol."
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17. "LMAO!"
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base like a mufucka tho

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5. "Common is not a bad rapper, you could even argue that he's better now"
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Now I'm not saying that he makes better music at this point because that hasn't been true although the last couple of albums were good. (I didn't listen to UMC though, the reviews scared me off)

But Common along with a lot of other MCs are actually nicer at this point. Most rappers get better, those that didn't just stopped working at their craft. But of course a good lyricist doesn't necessarily make good music.

Nas, just to name other names, is better than ever now also imo; but we just tend to be nostalgic about the old stuff.

  

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7. "Nas is better...I don't think Common is..."
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better now than he was from like 94-97, but that said I agree with everything else you said. Comm can still rap and has BARS. No question about it. His flow isn't what it used to be, and like you said the songs aren't quite as good. But he's still got rhymes.

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John Forte
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15. "Common's 2014 flow is terrible and amaterish"
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Boogie Stimuli
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19. "No it's not."
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13. "RE: Common is not a bad rapper, you could even argue that he's better no..."
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With Nas, his image is more present than ever now, and he's
one of my all-time favorites, but sometimes I wish that he
would just put down the Loud Pack long enough to do a near
flawless show without forgetting his rhymes.

Even though his rhyme on "We Dem Boys" was good enough to
just about destroy any of the others on there,I thought to
myself that him and Wiz probably got "elevated" in the studio
and he just threw something together instead of getting into
a real zone and being focused on killin em on they own ish,
you know? What's funny is that his "no real effort",is so
much better than other rappers BEST!! lol

  

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44. "These two are my all time favorites"
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Definitely agree with you on Esco, but sadly I think Com sounds just a tad dated, imo. Still love the dude, though.

It takes all kinds to make up a world, son. -My pops

I just live for the comments -Da wiz

  

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45. "Com and Nas also my two faves all time."
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47. "RE: These two are my all time favorites"
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Totally agree with you! Comm can DESTROY in a freestyle, but lately, when it comes to some
of the rhymes on his albums, it's been lacking a lil bit, for me anyway. His last album actually
wasn't that bad, but "Sweet" was just not the "Common" that I'd become accustomed to! lol smh
His response to Drakes response to "Sweet" was underrated though, I have to say!

  

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6. "the same way you lose the ability to do anything probably."
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9. "Thought it was gonna be about Rakim or KRS. "
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16. "Rakim and KRS are still TECHNICALLY sound rappers"
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They just don't have anything remotely interesting to say. Com and say, Shyne straight up can't rap anymore.

  

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10. "There's nothing else quite like it"
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It's too involved to be consistent over a long period of time. Most artists/athletes hit a peak. A painter or a basketball player can take a vacation but a rapper can't stop mentally making associations or compiling material. A point that chris rock has pointed out.

  

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11. "RE: How do people lose the ability to rap?"
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run outta shit to talk about honestly...

If you aren't an "in your head" Eminem create intricate patterns and cadences fake stories type then I think once "Life is Good" it's like wtf am I gonna talk about

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12. "It's a problem most artists face."
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Some of it is perception though; fans tend to want something 'new' but not different...they don't want their artists to grow.

However, after decades of doing the same shit, its hard to attack it as enthusiastically as you used to...it's hard to write bars as great as you used to. While you're a better musician, your guitar licks just seem more boring, etc.

  

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23. "^^^^True"
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14. "stick to GD homeboy"
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20. "^^^ this"
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21. "Way to kill a post with potential"
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22. "Com neve lost his step rap wise"
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creatively though I think he has been hindered due to his higher mainstream appeal IMO.

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24. "Nostalgia and pace..."
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>I understand how an artist can fall behind the times or lose
>their creative juice, but how do people become bad rappers.
>Take Nas for example, he will never duplicate his 90s form, in
>terms if creativity and vitality, but he's still a competent
>(if boring) rapper. Now look at Common; the nigga is
>objectively terrible...so much so, that it's hard to convinve
>people who aren't familiar with his early material that he was
>a ever a good rapper.

In general, rappers rap less now on a per song basis. There's more pausing, stopping, adlibbing, etc. And Listening back, Common was almost always a little abnormal with the pausing and pacing of some of his stuff. It is just a matter of what he pauses before or after now. The stuff he said before at least felt more powerful/profound back then. And he's always had corny/funny lines that he had to know were corny when he was spitting them.

Part of that is on us...expectations, boredom, bias, having more songs on our ears than before when we heard the older stuff, and nostalgic miscalculations do a lot to ruin new music. And even with huge hard drives, clouds, and high-capacity portable music, our minds can only hold onto so much new material. And yes...if a rap cat is only allowed so much space to expand sonically and/or subject-wise, he's gonna get stuck trying to basically remake his old songs and still give off the impression of energy, excitement, exploration, and enigma...that's one hell of a creative challenge.

That's at least partially why cats who have more room to make different types of music about some different subject generally last longer with more love. Otherwise, you get boxed in. And if your box gets smaller, you're stuck being the 40-year old street rapper, mob boss/gangster, good guy, sucker mc defeater, weed rapper, or whatever people decide your role is in their libraries. You see/hear cats fighting the box all the time while still trying to benefit from the fans being in the box gave them. Jayz is a master of trying to tell you where he's at and how you're lame if you don't roll with whatever lane he's in for a song, album, or even a verse. Snoop just does whatever he wants and he keeps it simple enough for you to get when he's cool snoop, west coast gangster crip snoop, macking snoop, by the way I'm married with old ass kids y'all snoop, goofing off in the studio snoop, Jheri curl r&b memorial snoop, or reflective snoop. Good thing he quickly dropped rasta snoop.

  

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25. "Ghostface is a case study for this. You can hear him digress"
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from album to album. OBFCL & Ironman he's rapping like a fucking alien from space. Then listen to his flow post SC. Busta & Raekwon could be the counter - argument though...they can still rap circles around mcs

  

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30. "ghost is arguably the GOAT. "
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all of his material is good or great.
i don't know why you'd pick him as an example.

  

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32. "Ghost is easily top 10 if not top 5 of all time."
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26. "Mostly lack of interest, one way or another"
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Some can't be bothered to stay sharp because of a lot of outside things, it's not always money or whatever

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27. "This post instantly turned into a pile-on lol when the OP did"
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actually ask a legitimate question

Like, how does an MC lose their ability to rap?

Having said that, I don't, however, agree w/the OP's assertion that Nas and Common have lost their skills. Maybe they've lost some of their fire, which is an underrated intangible quality of an MC, because they're both comfortable...

But

I remember reading that "sounding old" (LL Cool J) when it came to his flow was Andre 3000's fear of not wanting to do another Outkast record because he said MC's flow start to sound dated if they're not active in the rap game...and he didn't want that to be him

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28. "Actually, Nas was my counter-example. He's still sharp"
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29. "Oh ok, I stand corrected"
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35. "yea gotta know your audience lol"
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60. "Lol, half these fuckers drooling at the chance to hate"
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31. "Its about laziness. Not ability."
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A lot of these dudes after a while just dial it in.

  

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36. "This is probably it"
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33. "I think you are noticing the inability to adapt to changing standards"
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Special Ed was my favorite MC for a period. Then when he dropped Revelations in 95 it was like dude forgot how to rap (got it back with crooklyn dodgers though).

Phife dawg was never a great rapper but by Low End Theory he sounded competent. On that recent Dilla tribute he sound like Easy E or someone who doesn't rhyme rhyming.

I feel like that last thing I heard Kane rap on he sounded far remove from the Raw, Set it Off days.

The thing these guys share is that rap has dramatically changed since their hay day. We even subconsciously give them negative points for trying to update their style.


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40. "I agree with your subject line and last line."
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34. "Your login's namesake would have been a better example"
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39. "Cute attempt at wittiness, but John Forte can still spit like a mufucka"
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He just sings alot now.

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41. "In 2014 though? I havent heard nothing from him since he got out"
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Other than some writtens of his blackberry with Kweli

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42. "The StyleFREE EP was dope..."
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StyleFREE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_Z2rbxe0sQ

Nervous
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkSUH_Ydn6Y

^^^ Those two are from 2009
He released another EP in 2011, but didn't really rap on it outside of this acoustic joint...
still spitting tho, if you can imagine it with a more traditional Hip Hop beat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UROk8O73D0g

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37. "wha?? this post makes zero sense"
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they're artists....as such they can be subject to lapses in creativity, just as it works in any other artistic medium...hence, people saying DeNiro phoning in a role, or folks not checking for Smokey Robinson now as opposed to BITD, or people loving young skinny Elvis but ignoring the fat Elvis,...the list goes on....

many times there's a spark in creativy that creates something you end up loving...when that spark ain't really there, or you're trying to force it, OR there's a spark that creates something that variates too much: then you say "so and so is washed up"

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38. "I think its less about ablitity being less"
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but more about craftsmanship and situation variables. is the rapper really still on his game, staying on top of new flows, experiencing different shit, learning to write better. are they still dedicated.

along with that, I think a lot of it has to with other variables. label shit, family life. things outside of the game affecting the skills.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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43. "RE: How do people lose the ability to rap?"
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First off, I don't agree with your examples. Nas is still ill & is hungry as ever. Common may not be in Resurection mode but he still got skills. You can lose the ability to rap by not practicing. Practice keeps a person's skill sharp it's like anything else. For example, if you're a bodybuilder & you stop working out you will lose tone. You have stay sharp or you will slack.

  

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48. "they be getting fat and old and shit."
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all winded when on the mic. they lose some dexterity in their rhyming.

it's just age, i think.

fuck you.

  

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49. "G Rap's discography is laughing at this post"
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Peace,

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54. "i'm laughing @ G Rap's discography."
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fuck you.

  

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55. "You shouldn't be"
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At least not about his skills. Maybe his subject matter is monotonous to you, or unappealing, but his skills are sharp.

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59. "good for him."
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fuck you.

  

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50. "At a certain point, it's tough to continue playing the guessing game"
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on what people want to hear. At some point after your first album (or for some artists even ON their first album) you aren't putting out music that is completely yourself - you are trying to guess at what the public wants to hear. If you have some success for a two or three albums, then by that point you have decisions to make...do you keep doing the same thing which was successful before, or do you try to guess what the people want now?

The problem with that is that some people will want to hear the same thing from you. Some will want the same style/flow with different topics, some will want the same topics with a new style/flow. What about the music - should you work with the same producers who brought you success before or go with the current hot producers? Or should you find new hungry producers doing stuff that isn't out yet so you have a more fresh sound?

So then you have artists going back and forth on their releases after that - and after a certain point their ears are dead and they have no idea what would be hot and what wouldn't.

  

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51. "RE: At a certain point, it's tough to continue playing the guessing game"
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stop chasing whats hot if you love what you are doing the do that. if you want to make money then keep chasing the NEW sound. But, you will never catch it...

  

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52. "Just unwillingness to change/update the styles"
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The thing with the craft of Mc'in is it's always changing and standard of what is 'dope' is always evolving.

I remember when Eminem first hit big in the early 2000's and had everybody going back to the drawing board with the crazy multi-syllable rhyming even if the rapper was saying the most basic shit, if those syllable patters on point then he was dope..now in 2014 its pretty much standard and no big deal to rhyme more than one syllable in your lines, even 5 or 6.

I noticed this in the craft of battle rap, to the people who follow it, its been a couple of the battlers who used to battle 5-6 years ago jumping back in it, and it's alarming how behind the times they sound compared to the battlers of today.
Just in that short time, the level of focus on concept schemes, punchlines, rebuttles, name flips, and double/triple entendres advance to the point of if your not keeping up with that standard, then as a MC your ass, even though your technically not a bad rapper.

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53. "Reminds me of the new song I heard by early 90's harlem group Zhigge."
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Watched the new video and the top spitter in that group had
COMPLETELY lost it! smh.

Like how does that happen??

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56. "http://mostlyaveragejoe.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Turrible.gif"
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57. "Dude said Nas was boring. L's"
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2012 alone http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8awt-Qx4zo

  

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58. "Present day Nas is boring. He's still a great emcee though"
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but only dedicated fans find his current music compelling.

  

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