just finished watching that video of peter rosenberg aka PMD, or now as he's effectually known, "rose" discuss "hip-hop culture" and what he and hot97 are doing to support it.

here's the deal about "hip-hop"...

"hip-hop" was something that happened in the late 70s in nyc.

people bopping and spinning around on their backs...
tagging the insides and outsides of train cars...
scratching breakbeat records...
getting on the mic doing call and response or saying a routine in front of a crowd...

yeah, remember in the late 70's/early 80's when all of those things were "new" and happening simultaneously in nyc?

that was hip-hop, or hip-hop culture.

at the very least, a minority-driven inner-city artistic and style movement.

it came and went.
you can argue the logistics of exactly when/why/how all of the practices of "hip-hop" diverged but whatever date you accept as being when the "hip-hop" movement ended - it has ended.

rapping/rap music remains.
as in, people still kept rapping on backing instrumentals in a fashion similar to what was popular in the "hip-hop" movement.

rapping remains...
but then again, so does dj-ing, breakdancing, graffiti.

like all of the above, rapping and "hip-hop" were two related but separate things.

now, enough remedial bs everybody has heard before.

gaudy displays of wealth, strippers, video hoes, gangs and gang culture, drug selling and drug culture, gun violence, prison and prison culture, twerk videos, bet, fight videos with bystanders yelling "worldstar!", sneakers & clothes, the latest slang... etc.

none of these things are "hip-hop".

they are collectively what comprises contemporary Black culture.

and that is merely what rap music is today.

another facet of contemporary Black-American culture.

we don't call it Hip-Hop twitter... it's Black twitter.

the term "hip-hop" is almost like the term "urban"...
a sugar-coated diffusive misnomer.

when people like damon dash recently on the combat jack podcast or peter "rose" rosenberg, or whoever start talking about "this culture", "our culture", "the culture" make no mistake about it...
the term "hip-hop" may get used inaccurately as some antiquated traditional term they're misusing for whatever reason.

they really are talking about 1 or more of these things:

1) the showbiz/music business/marketing side of contemporary mainstream rap music, which i colloquially refer to as "the 'hip-hop' industry".

2) contemporary Black-american culture

they are not however talking about the "hip-hop" movement nor it's "culture".

let's stop perpetually calling any and everything "hip-hop", a term 35 years removed from it's advent.
please just retire the term by refraining from mislabeling things as it.
this isn't a new evolutionary "phase" of "hip-hop" we expand our definition to include - it's something completely different.

rap is rap.

either invent a new term to accurately define today's contemporary "movements" or throw it under the more-apt all-encompassing header it falls under which is just Black culture.

i'm convinced i've made this thread at least once in the last 4 years, but like most of my topics it's still just as relevant for discussion now as it was xx years ago because nobody else is willing to address it.

thank you for your time.

"hip hop culture" is actually a phrase
that sends up red flags to me.

i have rarely seen that word used
by ppl that have meaningful things to say.

Don't think they are the same...

Black twitter isn't inherently 'hip hop'.. it has hip hop isms but that shit is just hood culture

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if not hip hop then what ....?

*professional lurker*

the phrase "hip hop culture" is pretty much
a stand in for "black culture," which is another word
that can raise red flags for me, depending on who's using it.



>jazz, blues
>
>
>if not hip hop then what ....?

it's rap music and/or rapping.

contemporary rap music has absolutely nothing to do with hip-hop (the late 70s/early 80s nyc movement).

this is like ppl that say that green day wasn't punk.
i mean...

sure?

i guess it would be good to distinguish the punk movement of the
1970s from whatever it was that green day was doing.

but...
quite clearly, it's punk.


i mean, yeah, it's pop too... and post-punk might be a more accurate description...
but green day obvioulsy listened to husker du more than they listened to
earth wind and fire, or michael jackson.

jesus christ, it's punk.



just becaue you don't like it
doesn't mean it's a whole other genre.



>it's rap music and/or rapping.
>
>contemporary rap music has absolutely nothing to do with
>hip-hop (the late 70s/early 80s nyc movement).

>just becaue you don't like it
>doesn't mean it's a whole other genre.

i didn't say anything about a "genre".

hip-hop wasn't a musical genre.
it was always rap/rap music/rapping.
but it was a part of something bigger.

>hip-hop wasn't a musical genre.
>it was always rap/rap music/rapping.
>but it was a part of something bigger.
>



there was a attitude.
a style of dress.
an DIY work ethos.
a code.


it wasn't just about the guitars.
there was more to it than just the guitars and the drums and the singing.

and i get ALL of that.

i still don't care.
if i go to a record shop,
and look for a greenday album...
i am looking for them under rock.
and if that rock section is divided into subcatergories,
i would expect to find them under punk.


i don't care if rick ross has never heard of the
4 tenants of hip hop...


if i walk in to a store,
and see a hip hop section,
i would expect to find rick ross records there.

becaue where else would you put them?


any time somebody tries to say, "i don't listen to rap.
i listen to HIP HOP!" i quickly try to find another person
to talk to.

because,
christ.

if it did than that's what we should call the stuff that passes as "punk" nowadays.

Where I'm from, we have an annual festival celebrating the end of winter and beginning of spring. Traditionally, the community gathers in a large field, but since our town has been relegated to an economy driven by Sports Lighting and a dwindling manufacturing center (brass foundries, assembling, etc.) our best fields now serve as industrial waste dumps or scrap metal yards, so we hold the tradition in the parking lot behind the Wal-Mart Super Center. Anyway, the festival is called “Valborgsmässoafton” or Walpurgis Night (coincidentally, it has nothing to do with Walmart...though the name Walpurgis may have something to do with why Wal-Mart was chosen as the festival's location...I'll have to ask around about that. I've never thought about it before until now.) During Valborgsmässoafton everyone gathers around large bonfires that are lit throughout the parking lot. Wal-Mart is very accommodating and allows us to burn our trash in their dumpsters. Sometimes they even contribute trash for us to burn, like in 2001, shortly after the Firestone tire recall when they were stuck with all this surplus product. Those bonfires burned for days. By the time they were finished, a thick black cloud hung over our town and we could hardly see the sun for a week. It was beautiful. In Sweden and in many other countries, the lighting of bonfires is said among some scholars to have been to scare off predators before the cattle and sheep were put out to graze in spring. So for the festival many families arrive with large bags of trash from their home to add to the fires. Once lit the children dance around the bonfires and sing songs about the end of winter and beginning of spring. There's also a few songs intended ward off devil worshippers who may be hidden or camouflaged among the community. We haven't had one in at least 12 years, so it's more of a tradition than anything. To cap off the festival we play a game like pin the tail on the donkey, but it's sort of reversed. This is called "Rip the Tail Off the Devil Worshipper." Ten male adults gather around one of the bonfires and wrestle each other's clothes off. One of them has been "pinned" with a long tail. The male who successfully wrestles and identifies the devil worshipper, rips his tail off, and flings it into the bonfire wins. It's pure melee for about 8 minutes, and usually someone gets burned or at least scrapes his knees really badly on the concrete in the parking lot. The winner gets to pull home a red Radio-Flyer wagon filled with a variety of meats, fruits, and cheeses. Last year Walmart was kind enough to donate everything, though we were skeptical of its "freshness." There's also a lot of drinking during Walpurgis Night, as Glog stations are set up around each bonfire.

This is culture. I don't know if hip hop has an equivalent. I don't think Summer Jam qualifies because other than the tradition of posting an embarrassing image of another rapper on the jumbotron and rappers jumping other rappers backstage there doesn't seem to be a consistent pattern of customs and traditions. And where I live, everybody knows what to do on Walpurgis Night. It seems like a lot of people don't know what to do in hip hop, or how to act, or what customs to follow. So maybe it's not much of a culture per se.

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i didn't read your post (tl;dr)
but i probably agree
everything some young black kids do is labeled hip hop
and at this point its kinda meaningless in the context of a 'culture'.

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>i didn't read your post (tl;dr)
>but i probably agree

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Then I read the post... man oh man, you are 100% correct. I agree with you... never fully realized how much "hip hop/hip hop culture" was thrown around... it's sad, really.

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welp

about hip-hop culture, this is what I think about now:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/there-are-people-in-world-who-are-concerned-about,32162/

fuck you.

not that i can really have room to talk.
i mean...

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2886286&mesg_id=2886286&listing_type=search

lol

Loved it.


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I would definitley have the urge to give them a muddy firecracker.

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ppl thought i was crazy when i said i prefer "rap" over "hip hop"
i really don't identify with what i perceive hip hop to be
so why should i run around calling what i like hip hop when what i actually like is one facet of what comprised hip hop
i fuck with RAP and that's about it

In other words, it cannot be important unless someone else says it is, and thus "I am hip-hop". Now that everyone is saying they are hip-hop, it's a bit like every other journalist/blogger/newscaster saying something is iconic. It gets to the point where everything is now iconic and the power of the word/phrase is watered down significantly. It's sad that something that was given rules became something that sounds more imprisoned than ever.


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Great post...When I am approached, or the topic of music comes up, I refer to what I enjoy as Soul music...the connotation that comes with saying one is into Hip Hop/Rap is embarrassing, being that 95% of the music associated with what is generally termed as Hip Hop is garbage, especially to my older brothers and sisters...It's a sad state of affairs for black folks when his/her beingness is widely defined/aligned by Rap/Hip Hop culture...

Integrity is the Cornerstone of Artistry...

and leaving the culture shit alone?
it's a bit shortshigted to say it doesn't exist anymore because you don't hear it or see it in popular avenues

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A culture exists, we just don't always know what the parameters are. Quest brought up a lot of these issues in his vulture series.

A real culture has to encompass more than a handful of elements; however, the fact that deejaying and rapping are a live today is evidence that the "culture" still exists. It bothers me that rapping, deejaying, breaking and graffiti were ever lumped together in the first place.






>just finished watching that video of peter rosenberg aka PMD,
>or now as he's effectually known, "rose" discuss "hip-hop
>culture" and what he and hot97 are doing to support it.
>
>here's the deal about "hip-hop"...
>
>"hip-hop" was something that happened in the late 70s in nyc.
>
>people bopping and spinning around on their backs...
>tagging the insides and outsides of train cars...
>scratching breakbeat records...
>getting on the mic doing call and response or saying a routine
>in front of a crowd...
>
>yeah, remember in the late 70's/early 80's when all of those
>things were "new" and happening simultaneously in nyc?
>
>that was hip-hop, or hip-hop culture.
>
>at the very least, a minority-driven inner-city artistic and
>style movement.
>
>it came and went.
>you can argue the logistics of exactly when/why/how all of the
>practices of "hip-hop" diverged but whatever date you accept
>as being when the "hip-hop" movement ended - it has ended.
>
>rapping/rap music remains.
>as in, people still kept rapping on backing instrumentals in a
>fashion similar to what was popular in the "hip-hop"
>movement.
>
>rapping remains...
>but then again, so does dj-ing, breakdancing, graffiti.
>
>like all of the above, rapping and "hip-hop" were two related
>but separate things.
>
>now, enough remedial bs everybody has heard before.
>
>gaudy displays of wealth, strippers, video hoes, gangs and
>gang culture, drug selling and drug culture, gun violence,
>prison and prison culture, twerk videos, bet, fight videos
>with bystanders yelling "worldstar!", sneakers & clothes, the
>latest slang... etc.
>
>none of these things are "hip-hop".
>
>they are collectively what comprises contemporary Black
>culture.
>
>and that is merely what rap music is today.
>
>another facet of contemporary Black-American culture.
>
>we don't call it Hip-Hop twitter... it's Black twitter.
>
>the term "hip-hop" is almost like the term "urban"...
>a sugar-coated diffusive misnomer.
>
>when people like damon dash recently on the combat jack
>podcast or peter "rose" rosenberg, or whoever start talking
>about "this culture", "our culture", "the culture" make no
>mistake about it...
>the term "hip-hop" may get used inaccurately as some
>antiquated traditional term they're misusing for whatever
>reason.
>
>they really are talking about 1 or more of these things:
>
>1) the showbiz/music business/marketing side of contemporary
>mainstream rap music, which i colloquially refer to as "the
>'hip-hop' industry".
>
>2) contemporary Black-american culture
>
>they are not however talking about the "hip-hop" movement nor
>it's "culture".
>
>let's stop perpetually calling any and everything "hip-hop", a
>term 35 years removed from it's advent.
>please just retire the term by refraining from mislabeling
>things as it.
>this isn't a new evolutionary "phase" of "hip-hop" we expand
>our definition to include - it's something completely
>different.
>
>rap is rap.
>
>either invent a new term to accurately define today's
>contemporary "movements" or throw it under the more-apt
>all-encompassing header it falls under which is just Black
>culture.
>
>i'm convinced i've made this thread at least once in the last
>4 years, but like most of my topics it's still just as
>relevant for discussion now as it was xx years ago because
>nobody else is willing to address it.
>
>thank you for your time.

Well, maybe not much....but I'd give a donation.
Are there really any "movements" in existance?
Everything is pretty much a sponsored event.
Besides, whenever I hear the word "hip-hop", I can only think of shelltoe addidas and kangols (posing in a b-boy stance).

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