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cherry_coke
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"how do you feel super off-beat programming of the mid-late 00's has aged..."


          

now that this isn't "new", or "buzzing"... what do you make of this kind of music?

i'm all for live programming with the life-like timing, but in the mid-late 00's it got taken to ridiculous levels where people were intentionally programming drums that sounded like they were programmed by someone with down syndrome.

at the time it "worked", but do you ever have any of this stuff come up on your playlist in 2014?

with the ultra-exacto quantification we've seen drum programming turn after lex luger, this stuff was pretty much left in the dust.

for me, i just had a song come up on random by s*m**am and i was shocked at how fucking wack it sounded with fresh ears.

"buzz" ultimately can fool even the best of us.

what are your thoughts?

thanks for reading.

  

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I still like it when its done right.
Jun 02nd 2014
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOxracqXSXk
Jun 02nd 2014
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RE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOxracqXSXk
Jun 03rd 2014
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2LYTL1uf9o
Jun 02nd 2014
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCYjqbw2-yI
Jun 02nd 2014
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it's effective when executed correctly
Jun 02nd 2014
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIlFevCwciQ
Jun 02nd 2014
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g4yqw7BVaE
Jun 02nd 2014
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3oDLuNi7Y8
Jun 02nd 2014
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just like when it was made, what's dope is still dope and
Jun 02nd 2014
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W1iHMDPMdI
Jun 02nd 2014
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVDNT_Y9f0Q
Jun 02nd 2014
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTkURguyGts
Jun 02nd 2014
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5B_E2_6pdw
Jun 02nd 2014
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2Ol1vIBSCs
Jun 02nd 2014
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what the hell: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CItSslgUN5Y
Jun 02nd 2014
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83QrBCDW4Js
Jun 02nd 2014
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIfisFMnWu4
Jun 02nd 2014
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nsv1QyJXs5M
Jun 02nd 2014
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sometimes niggas just can't be told anything
Jun 02nd 2014
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#7
Jun 02nd 2014
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      is this your stuff?
Jun 02nd 2014
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           nah...
Jun 02nd 2014
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                that's pretty cool
Jun 03rd 2014
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcCgJoG5Cyo
Jun 02nd 2014
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yeah it sucked I can't name one track that stuck with me
Jun 02nd 2014
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are you mad at the OG poster?
Jun 03rd 2014
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      the only people my threads attract anymore are detractors.
Jun 04th 2014
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      the only people my threads attract anymore are detractors.
Jun 04th 2014
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examples?
Jun 02nd 2014
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If I liked it then I still like it now
Jun 02nd 2014
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I Kinda Like The Beat/Tunes With That Off-Kilter & Drunk Programming
Jun 03rd 2014
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hated it then, hate it now.
Jun 03rd 2014
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RE: hated it then, hate it now.
Jun 04th 2014
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Still think it can sound great. Not just for instrumentals either. For e...
Jun 03rd 2014
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.
Jun 03rd 2014
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kinda predictable now
Jun 03rd 2014
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lol @ the description
Jun 03rd 2014
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yeah i still like it
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1. "I still like it when its done right."
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I assume you're talking about Samiyam? I was never really a fan.
There's countless others that still do it.

I like unquantized drums still way more than whats going on right now,
but the super off beat just to be super off beat drums?

Nah, only in small doses and gotta be done right.

The SP-404 cats and their note repeat function can still get funky.
That seems to be the wave of the last few years, moving past
the super sloppy off beat drums. I think, at least.

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2. "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOxracqXSXk"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOxracqXSXk

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27. "RE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOxracqXSXk"
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that's just getting funky. he's not really out of pocket there

  

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3. "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2LYTL1uf9o"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2LYTL1uf9o

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4. "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCYjqbw2-yI"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCYjqbw2-yI

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

  

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5. "it's effective when executed correctly"
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>at the time it "worked", but do you ever have any of this
>stuff come up on your playlist in 2014?

"los angeles" comes up in my playlist every now and again. young montana?, knx, dorian concept, etc. guys like that show up occasionally as well

>for me, i just had a song come up on random by s*m**am and i
>was shocked at how fucking wack it sounded with fresh ears.

i never liked him. never understood why people did. it always sounded like someone trying very hard to do something "wrong" and not getting it right. i do like the fuzzy synths he used though

>what are your thoughts?

it's an interesting approach to adding some "humanity" (for lack of a better term) to what is (or at least is perceived as) a very mechanical process of making music on a computer and/or electronics. i like it when it's done well but it's very difficult to do so. it also has the unfortunate effect of really detracting from the listening experience when it's done incorrectly because it calls so much attention to itself

whenever i think of being offbeat i think of james blake talking about jazz pianist errol garner here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzY9t7-cJJM#t=118

  

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6. "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIlFevCwciQ"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIlFevCwciQ

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7. "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g4yqw7BVaE"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g4yqw7BVaE

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8. "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3oDLuNi7Y8"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3oDLuNi7Y8

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9. "just like when it was made, what's dope is still dope and"
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what was wack then is still wack now.

  

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVDNT_Y9f0Q

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTkURguyGts

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13. "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5B_E2_6pdw"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5B_E2_6pdw

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14. "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2Ol1vIBSCs"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2Ol1vIBSCs

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15. "what the hell: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CItSslgUN5Y"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CItSslgUN5Y

yay!

  

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16. "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83QrBCDW4Js"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83QrBCDW4Js

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17. "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIfisFMnWu4"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIfisFMnWu4

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18. "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nsv1QyJXs5M"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nsv1QyJXs5M

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19. "sometimes niggas just can't be told anything"
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if the shit sounds wack now, it's because it was wack in the first place

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21. "#7"
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23. "is this your stuff?"
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i was just paying enough attention to care and enjoy the music.

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33. "that's pretty cool"
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I don't have anything against the stuff, just saying that these niggas are quick to go off about some shit and don't even take the time to really ingest it
or when they do it's one some 'it grew on me' shit, which has nothing to do with the music itself

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20. "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcCgJoG5Cyo"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcCgJoG5Cyo

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22. "yeah it sucked I can't name one track that stuck with me"
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i was just riding the craze because well duh... everyone was. and that's how i like my music, preapproved by everyone's taste. thinking for yourself is as overrated as allowing for the fact that people may actually like shit that doesn't appeal to you. i mean it's so obvious anyone that not making the music i like is just trying to be special and differnent, and the only reason other people flock to them is just because they want to feel special and different too. my favorite thing is exposing how fraudulent they are like three or for years later when the shit they liked in the past is no longer the rage just to show they should have never liked that shit in the first place. fucking morons.

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35. "are you mad at the OG poster?"
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38. "the only people my threads attract anymore are detractors."
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all the interesting people have left this site and this is what's left.

somebody presenting opinions that are somewhat irreverent for things people hold sacred or are fanatical about is met with vehement hostility.

thanks for replying anyway, the links imcvpl posted i'm sure were appreciated.

  

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39. "the only people my threads attract anymore are detractors."
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all the interesting people have left this site and this is what's left.

somebody presenting opinions that are somewhat irreverent for things people hold sacred or are fanatical about is met with vehement hostility.

thanks for replying anyway, the links imcvpl posted i'm sure were appreciated.

  

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A one-stop page for new content from former Grantland-ers: https://twitter.com/grantlander33

  

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26. "If I liked it then I still like it now"
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Pretty sure there's a couple of albums in my car right now that fit your description.
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Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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28. "I Kinda Like The Beat/Tunes With That Off-Kilter & Drunk Programming"
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Like what another poster said, it all depends on the song, I know Sa-Ra was in this department for making beats/songs off-beat on purpose but I think that was the fascination with their music though, everybody was in a J-Dilla zone and tried to replicate it until they got into their own vibe but not many people do that anymore except new kats who are just getting into it, so the cycle kind of repeats.

Now this joint right here is what I consider good (on-purpose) drunken programming:

Sa-Ra "Hanging By A String": http://youtu.be/qJ-W2GhT4cc
Sa-Ra "Enter Sex Slop": http://youtu.be/g_5yqbUgN8E


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29. "hated it then, hate it now."
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i hated how people associated that shit with Dilla or called it post-Dilla. GTFOH.

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37. "RE: hated it then, hate it now."
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>called it post-Dilla. GTFOH.

pretty sure that was howisya.

  

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30. "Still think it can sound great. Not just for instrumentals either. For e..."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcdcef1WeZo

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31. "."
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32. "kinda predictable now"
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whenever i'm browsing soundcloud pages or youtube vids, and i see a pic of an mpc/sp303/404/etc i almost know that the beat is gonna have an early snare, late kick, dragging hi-hat, etc.

not that that's a good or a bad thing. just commenting.


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34. "lol @ the description"
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>whenever i'm browsing soundcloud pages or youtube vids, and i
>see a pic of an mpc/sp303/404/etc i almost know that the beat
>is gonna have an early snare, late kick, dragging hi-hat,
>etc.
>
>not that that's a good or a bad thing. just commenting.
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>
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http://i54.tinypic.com/2j51hj4.jpg

  

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36. "yeah i still like it"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G05BaQ9ivXE

  

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