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"Poll question: Favorite 99-00 Okayplayer Hip-Hop Album"


  

          

Great moment in hip-hop right there...what's your favorite?

Poll result (48 votes)
Things Fall Apart (13 votes)Vote
Black On Both Sides (15 votes)Vote
Like Water For Chocolate (15 votes)Vote
Train of Thought (5 votes)Vote

  

  

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The Like water intro alone is....man. "The Next Movement" is amazing
Jun 02nd 2014
1
I was one of them but don't get it twisted....
Jun 02nd 2014
2
I'ma ride with Mos om this one
Jun 02nd 2014
3
Can you elaborate on the "transitional/affirming" ...
Jun 02nd 2014
4
      hopefully I can clear up what I mean, bear with me
Jun 02nd 2014
6
           Word. I totally get what you mean re: BOBS specifically
Jun 02nd 2014
7
                I should probably clarify the Black Star part
Jun 02nd 2014
8
                     Gotcha.
Jun 02nd 2014
9
                          He still has verses, Liberation showed that
Jun 02nd 2014
10
                               Yep. Reaching has been his biggest setback.
Jun 02nd 2014
12
All of these are 4.5 to 5 star albums personally
Jun 02nd 2014
5
Things Fall Apart without any hesitation n/m
Jun 02nd 2014
11
^^^^^^
Jun 04th 2014
20
yep
Jun 04th 2014
23
LikeWater4Chocolate
Jun 02nd 2014
13
damn this is hard
Jun 03rd 2014
14
Where is SV vol.2?
Jun 03rd 2014
15
I knew I was missing something but
Jun 03rd 2014
16
      Nah I think you were right in excluding it...
Jun 03rd 2014
18
      Don't let supablak see this shit
Jun 04th 2014
21
BOBS all day
Jun 03rd 2014
17
^^
Jun 04th 2014
27
I'm shocked and appalled at the lack of love for RE here...
Jun 03rd 2014
19
RE: I'm shocked and appalled at the lack of love for RE here...
Jun 04th 2014
22
It was my pick
Jun 04th 2014
25
i picked RE too... slightly better than BOBS to me
Jun 04th 2014
26
      Memories Live just came on one of my Pandora stations...
Jun 04th 2014
29
We should rank the albums too
Jun 04th 2014
24
RE: We should rank the albums too
Jun 04th 2014
28

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1. "The Like water intro alone is....man. "The Next Movement" is amazing"
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too though. Hell, all four were greatness. But they went to WORK on Like water.

I read on here a while back that some of y'all didn't like it...or felt that Common wasn't as good as he was in those OJ Pineapple days.

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2. "I was one of them but don't get it twisted...."
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I picked LWFC in this poll but it was as much of a toss up as a toss up can be with Train of Thought.

All I was saying was that on LWFC, I thought that Common eased back on the metaphorical lyricism that made him who he was on Resurrection and One Day... He was rapping in a more straight forward, literal manner. Which he was still extremely good at, but he just lost a little bit of his lyrical individuality in doing so, IMO. It was as if he was heavily influenced by those (BT, SV, etc) around him during the making of that album. The only verses where it seemed like he was rapping in HIS style (Nag Champa comes to mind) were verses recycled from freestyles he did before he officially signed on and started work with the Soulquarian crew.

But that said, he was still VERY strong lyrically on LWFC and it's still one of his top 2-3 albums (I wouldn't be able to argue that hard against it being #1 against anyone who wanted to say that) and the production is among the very BEST I've ever heard. That's why I voted it here.

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Garhart Poppwell
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3. "I'ma ride with Mos om this one"
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Mon Jun-02-14 06:38 PM by Garhart Poppwell

  

          

That album just had a feel that wasn't as much transitional as it was affirming
it did so in a way Black Star failed to in my opinion, none of the other records on the list have that
also I may in the minority on this, but in regards to production LWFC would fall below the others, not much room for duds on this list and Choc has a few

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4. "Can you elaborate on the "transitional/affirming" ..."
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comparison you made? I tried but can't really figure out what you mean by that in the context of these albums.

And - which production on LWFC would you consider "duds"?

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6. "hopefully I can clear up what I mean, bear with me"
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Mon Jun-02-14 08:23 PM by Garhart Poppwell

  

          

this is the album that's most true to who Mos is as an artist, in an essential sense
it's not a showcase of artistic growth as much as it is an indicator of the type of artist he really is
pretty much every aspect of his artistry is on full display and not many concessions are made in regards to style or subject matter
Ms Fat Booty is about as radio-friendly as you could get at the time, but the way it was constructed was pretty format defiant so it didn't come off as a grab
and most of the best songs wouldn't have fit on any of his other records because they don't have the natural feel this one does (Mathematics, New World Water, Love, etc)
as far as Choc goes, there's a few clunkers on there:

-The Questions
-Payback is a Grandmother (if they were going to let Dilla get by with a bad Primo impression, they should've let the real deal get another beat
-the first part of Funky for You is sloppy (in a bad way)
-(this is just personal preference and taste, so I'm just putting it out there) A Song For Assata comes off as contrived and doesn't grab me at all, in fact I've only sat through that song MAYBE four times in 14 years

FFY and TQ stick out because they're in the start of the middle of the album, and that's a really bad place to have that sort of thing happen

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7. "Word. I totally get what you mean re: BOBS specifically"
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Mon Jun-02-14 08:44 PM by Brew

          

Especially when compared to Mos' other solo albums. But my follow up question is: how did Black Star fail at that? In other words, it was a "duet" album so I don't know that those kinds of albums, by nature, *allow* the time for both artists to display their full artistry. But again, I do totally get what you're trying to say in the context of Mos' career specifically. And maybe your point re: Black Star *was* about Mos, in which case I agree with you. But like I said I just don't know that we can look to a collaboration-style album to give both artists enough room to display everything they got. If that makes sense.

Re: LWFC, I hear you about The Questions (a blatant attempt to grab at The Roots' sound at the time, musically), Payback is a Grandmother (I liked the One Day...trilogy but it didn't need to be revisited, the story wasn't that compelling, and the beat is meh like you said) and Funky for You (I love that beat but agree as a total song it's a bit sloppy...and lyrically it's...not lyrical). But while I don't really find myself listening to it all that often myself, I will admit that Common, as a storyteller, grabbed me with how he told the story on Song for Assata. I loved his rhyme style on that song. It was one of the few examples from that album where his old style showed thru.

But yea - I like the whole album but think it could've done even better as a cohesive album by cutting 2 songs.

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8. "I should probably clarify the Black Star part"
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I think people thought they had the whole Mos on that album because of his previous UTD stuff, but it only hinted at what sort of creator he was
he expanded on it in regards to subject matter and poignancy, but that was just the tip of the iceberg for what he was capable of
because of it he didn't have to spend a career creatively running from BS like Kewli did

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9. "Gotcha. "
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Thanks.

It's sad that Kweli thought he had to run from that album. That and ToT were his comfort zones and he'd have been better off staying there. There were a few exceptions tho (Ear Drum). But despite his missteps I still find Kweli to be very high quality lyrically. He's still poignant on the mic.

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10. "He still has verses, Liberation showed that"
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I just want a high level cohesive album from him that doesn't reach

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12. "Yep. Reaching has been his biggest setback. "
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5. "All of these are 4.5 to 5 star albums personally"
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I'd rank them...

Things Fall Apart
Train of Thought
Black on Both Sides
Like Water For Chocolate

  

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11. "Things Fall Apart without any hesitation n/m"
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20. "^^^^^^"
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except I almost selected LWFC lol

  

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23. "yep"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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13. "LikeWater4Chocolate "
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14. "damn this is hard"
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BOBS is probably the most consistent/cohesive but LWFC resonated with me the most. TFA hit me hard but didn't affect me the way the other 2 did.

  

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15. "Where is SV vol.2?"
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''i went from bashful to asshole to international''- CdoubleO

  

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16. "I knew I was missing something but"
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for some reason I don't put that album with these...maybe due to the fact the others are albums from Top-notch MCs...*shrugs*

Should've included it.

  

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18. "Nah I think you were right in excluding it..."
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and for the reason you stated. The MCs in the listed albums make all the difference. Production-wise though it'd be a conversation.

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21. "Don't let supablak see this shit"
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Or he'll be in here crying because SV aren't elite MCs

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17. "BOBS all day"
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Happy 50th D’Angelo: https://chrisp.bandcamp.com/track/d-50

  

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27. "^^"
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19. "I'm shocked and appalled at the lack of love for RE here..."
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And I'm almost upset I didn't vote it like I was considering.

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22. "RE: I'm shocked and appalled at the lack of love for RE here..."
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This poll would be more telling if you could also vote for 2nd/3rd/4th

It was all a dream
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25. "It was my pick"
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All these albums are excellent so hard to pick a favorite.

  

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26. "i picked RE too... slightly better than BOBS to me"
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29. "Memories Live just came on one of my Pandora stations..."
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this song alone, sheeeeeit. Just such an incredibly moving song. "In my lifetime, ain't too many things better/than watching your first son put his sentences together".

Damn man. From like 1998 or whatever, through 2002, Kweli and HiTek had a special kind of chemistry that they never quite replicated (with few exceptions...Can We Go Back comes to mind). Memories Live is a perfect example of that chemistry. Dope but understated beat and voice sample, finger snaps...incredible, introspective lyrics. Just...moving music. I love this album so much.

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24. "We should rank the albums too"
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4. Like Water For Chocolate
3. Train of Thought
2. Black On Both Sides
1. Things Fall Apart

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28. "RE: We should rank the albums too"
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Favorites:

1. Train of Thought
2. BOBS
3. Things Fall Apart
4. LWFC

Best All Around Album

1. Things Fall Apart
2. Train of Thought
3. BOBS
4. LWFC

  

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