was watching the making of justified videos on youtube thinking he ain't doing anything except taking instructions
he didn't even come up with any of the lyrics on those songs since the they were made of out of demos.

so the co writting credits were basically lies?

all i did was skim through 2 videos and noticed he had 0 creative input. if he had about 4 songs where he didn't really write anything and got credit for them i probably would have overlooked that part but in this case it's 9 songs on the album which make up 70% of the album that were all 100% written by Neptunes in reality. That's kind of disappointing when you think Justin had something to do with lyrics the entire time

a dude who went diamond.. it's really not that much of an atrocity.. also, i've got no idea what the splits were

unless pharrell was dictating all the MJ'ish
vocal hiccups, gulps, gasps, etc...

JT helped write the rhythm arrangement.

and also, he's JT.
so he gets more leeway with that stuff.

>all i did was skim through 2 videos and noticed he had 0
>creative input. if he had about 4 songs where he didn't really
>write anything and got credit for them i probably would have
>overlooked that part but in this case it's 9 songs on the
>album which make up 70% of the album that were all 100%
>written by Neptunes in reality. That's kind of disappointing
>when you think Justin had something to do with lyrics the
>entire time
>

>unless pharrell was dictating all the MJ'ish
>vocal hiccups, gulps, gasps, etc...
>
>JT helped write the rhythm arrangement.
>
>and also, he's JT.
>so he gets more leeway with that stuff.
>
>>all i did was skim through 2 videos and noticed he had 0
>>creative input. if he had about 4 songs where he didn't
>really
>>write anything and got credit for them i probably would have
>>overlooked that part but in this case it's 9 songs on the
>>album which make up 70% of the album that were all 100%
>>written by Neptunes in reality. That's kind of disappointing
>>when you think Justin had something to do with lyrics the
>>entire time
>>
>

o alright.
but i still think the liner notes are overstating it if that's all he
he did and that might have been all dictated by Pharrell as well for all we know. Either way it's still disappointing for someone who thought he wrote lyrics to the songs aha.
I assume he got much more creative input with the Timbaland produced ones in terms of writing..

just because the rhythm tracks don't sound
as much like timbaland productions
as other timbaland stuff.

i don't know that he did enough
to get songwriting credit if he wan't JT,
but i think he did more than sing what was dictated to him.

he probably came up with most of the lyrics on those songs.. i assume

give JT unearned credit to increase his take away from the album in hopes of solidifying a strong relationship
instead wack ass timberlake hopped on timberlands dick after justified

because of beef between them and Jive due to them holding the Clipse hostage. The Neptunes weren't going to work with any Jive artists (including JT) at that time.

same way that beyonce gets co-writing credits on songs where she adds an "ooh" or an "aah." modern-day pop artists know that most of the money in sales of recorded music is in the publishing. if someone remakes the song, they get a cut.

now if you're asking what he did *artistically* to get the credit, who knows? i don't have any liner notes next to me, but if he's the last person listed, then he didn't add much to it.

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Better to split a piece of a bigger pie than to retain 100% of a smaller one. And although the Neptunes were far from no-names at that point, we're talking about the then-highly-anticipated solo debut of JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE.

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at least when it comes to songwriters.

fuck you.

i dunno where i got that from.

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hold a great deal of power in terms of making your album. It's a golden ticket for anyone working on a project who is in a position to get the publishing or points on your album sales. Those artists are in the rare position that literally anything they release will do big numbers, regardless of marketing, or the names of the producers on the project, etc.

If a songwriter or producer doesn't like sharing credit (and publishing) then an artist on that level can just work with someone else. Either way, they have enough power and leverage that they can have full control over the music they are releasing and the negotiation of the terms of working with them.

for 'Say Somethin' and 'To The Floor'. i remember reading about it - they claimed they didn't give out coproducer credits so she didn't get one. i think they're the only tracks on 'Emancipation' w/o a coproducer credit for Mariah.

fuck you.

Firstly, that's how pop music works. Beyonce gets bullshit writing credits too. Britney, et al.

Secondly, you're attacking the one pop superstar that is an exception in that he is actually involved in the writing/production of his own music. Far more than other pop stars.

>Firstly, that's how pop music works. Beyonce gets bullshit
>writing credits too. Britney, et al.

true but some pop artists don't take credit for EVERY songs they didn't write though. Take Britney for example..
Just checked Britney's 3rd album credits on wiki and most songs don't even list her as a co writer.
She didn't even pretend that she co wrote the Neptunes songs..
Celine Dion is a pop act that comes to mind that never took credit for writing.

>
>Secondly, you're attacking the one pop superstar that is an
>exception in that he is actually involved in the
>writing/production of his own music. Far more than other pop
>stars.

That's why I thought he co wrote all his stuff. I considered him to be above a Rhianna act who we know doesn't write anything when she gets credit for a song so learning that he didn't really co write the majority of his first album which is by far my favorite album of his lead to my disappointed
In all fairness, he's been much more involved in writing after his first album..

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