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bruce bammer
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"if you don't feel you're making the best song/album of all-time..."


          

you probably shouldn't even release it.

and if you're not trying for this you probably shouldn't even make music.

  

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or maybe people make the music they want
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again...
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      Despite what the industry would have you believe
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where can you be reached for consultation
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my music days were 20 years ago.
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      you have a gift and the ppl need it.
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           thanks for your time.
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                yours is more valuable, so thanks for YOUR time.
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                     RE: yours is more valuable, so thanks for YOUR time.
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                          "you're" welcome
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                               thanks for you're correction.
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                                    you mean 'your correction'
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Definetly easier said than done
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if it doesn't feel like it's the best song of all-time when you're makin...
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wonder what those polka artists felt
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wrong again.
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Yah really.
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      i don't think that comparison holds up.
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this is really silly
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^ underrated reply
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RE: this is really silly
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      actually...
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           it sounds like you did the right thing to me.
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                i actually agree that it was the best decision
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and why do so many ppl tell others to stop creating things?
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* applauds *
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if MJ followed this advice, "billie jean" would be his only record.
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THIS!
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true, every song should give the artist that feeling
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yep. thanks for your reply!
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It's not that simple.
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RE: if you don't feel you're making the best song/album of all-time...
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imcvspl
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1. "or maybe people make the music they want"
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to convey the emotion they want, because its honestly how they feel, and in turn they release it to find there are other people in the world who connect with those emotions.

nah couldn't be it. its much better to have your eyes set on the lowest common denominators that connect us all and make music about that.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

  

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bruce bammer
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2. "again..."
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Wed Apr-23-14 10:49 AM by bruce bammer

          

if when making a song/album, whatever emotion(s) it attempts to convey, and you don't think you've not only reached a new personal best, but exceeded all of your influences and contemporaries, you should re-consider even releasing it.

music sounds at least 10x better that it actually is to the author, so that has to be compensated and adjusted for.

if you are actually working on something that other people were going to find "amazing", "great", or even just "very enjoyable", it should seem record-shattering from your own POV.

  

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imcvspl
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27. "Despite what the industry would have you believe"
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music is not a competition. Its a form of creative expression. Creative expression can be private or public. Sometimes both. Sometimes the most personal things are the ones that people connect to the most. Sometimes attempts to make public expressions prove to alienate audiences. Regardless it's an ongoing conversation in which no one is ever at the top or the bottom, there are no winners or losers. There are only emotions which individuals choose to creatively express. Just by that very act the purpose of music is fulfilled whether people hear it or not.

Thanks for reading. Do me a favor and don't reply.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

  

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3. "where can you be reached for consultation"
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whenever a musician is working on a project and is considering releasing it? they should have questions about what they're doing and you have all of the answers - do you have a help line where they can reach you to talk their way through their project before they release it? you know, to be sure they're on the right path w/the work.

fuck you.

  

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bruce bammer
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4. "my music days were 20 years ago."
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Wed Apr-23-14 11:04 AM by bruce bammer

          

one of the most frustrating things about music, which quite honestly has never been recorded in pop culture is getting everybody on the same page. trying to trick people into doing things you way, the hours and hours and hours of arguments over "your vision".
i.e. everybody thinks they know everything.

it wouldn't matter what you tell a rapper, a producer or an a&r, they're going to do what they think.

people in music are autonomous to the point of a fault.

i would love to mentor and consult people like you facetiously laid out, i just know from experience it's impossible to achieve and anyone who would willingly follow every instruction or need to be instructed is likely untalented to begin with.

  

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5. "you have a gift and the ppl need it."
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you're wasting it here.

set up that hot line and help those who are willing to have your counsel. for the greater good, man.

fuck you.

  

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bruce bammer
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9. "thanks for your time."
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10. "yours is more valuable, so thanks for YOUR time."
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and your wisdom.

fuck you.

  

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bruce bammer
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19. "RE: yours is more valuable, so thanks for YOUR time."
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>and your wisdom.

your welcome.
i appreciate anyone willing to invest the time to read and reply.

  

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30. ""you're" welcome "
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Jordan!

  

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bruce bammer
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31. "thanks for you're correction."
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mathmagic
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32. "you mean 'your correction'"
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I'm here for you, man. YOU'RE welcome.

Jordan!

  

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6. "Definetly easier said than done"
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I get home and turn the shit on and just do the shit. Sometimes that shit turns out dope and sometimes that shit aint it. You never know until u dont listen to it, forget about it, and come back and listen to it way later if its fresh or not.

The problem when u try to record a whole album in 5 days from scratch is u dont have the luxury of sitting on the material and waiting to listen to it a few weeks after u made it. So ur picking what u feel like is the best shit u made in them 5 days, or out of them 10 days... All self imposed deadlines of course, but

Stretch that into 3 months worth of recording and the filteration process is much tighter and more objective and selective

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bruce bammer
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17. "if it doesn't feel like it's the best song of all-time when you're makin..."
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it's probably not worth releasing or even finishing.

  

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7. "wonder what those polka artists felt"
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Joe Corn Mo
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8. "wrong again. "
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12. "Yah really."
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Nobody....ever...at any time....should run except for Usain Bolt.

  

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bruce bammer
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16. "i don't think that comparison holds up."
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an artistic creation is not the same as an athletic contest.

ability to play music would be a more suitable comparison.

  

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philpot
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11. "this is really silly"
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its something guys like me who quit making "music" tell ourselves to feel like we quit for some higher reason

ie bullshit

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14. "^ underrated reply"
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bruce bammer
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18. "RE: this is really silly"
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>its something guys like me who quit making "music" tell
>ourselves to feel like we quit for some higher reason
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>ie bullshit

maybe you quit because you realized your music sucked which would only prove my point.

  

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philpot
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24. "actually..."
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it sucked

i had room for improvement tho & i stopped putting the work in

ie im lazy or not passionate enough to make other life sacrifices to have time to make my own music

but i justified it to myself by saying "i wasnt that good anyway, just a waste of time"

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bruce bammer
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25. "it sounds like you did the right thing to me."
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28. "i actually agree that it was the best decision"
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Thu Apr-24-14 02:50 PM by philpot

  

          

bc i stressed myself out over it too much bc i wasnt making the "best" stuff out here...the kinda mentality ur expressing gave me too many doubts & didnt let me just have fun

i enjoy record digging more than ever since im digging for music, not samples (not that it hasnt led to me having tons of dope samples at my disposal if i get back into it)

but i have folks tell me that i shouldn'tve quit & should get back on my g and really that boils down to my lack of work ethic & short attention span

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13. "and why do so many ppl tell others to stop creating things?"
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i've been guilty of it myself.

____ isn't making the music i want to hear anymore,
so ____ should quit creating music.

_____ isn't as good as _____ ,
they should quit creating music.



but bottom line, if you add up all the time most ppl spend bitching about music,
and compare that with the amount of time those same ppl spend creating it,
you'd find that the people that keep complaining about what other artists are doing
ain't doing shit.


i'm not saying every critic has to be an artist.
most of the best critics AREN'T artists.
but bottom line... whenever i can't find any music to match the standard in my head
for what i think music should be...
I get off my ass and start writing.



maybe you should do the same.
if everything sucks, make what you think you want to hear,
and then listen to that instead.

seriously, try it.
you'll sleep better.

  

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20. "* applauds *"
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As fans of music, we all want artists to put out their best music every record.

But music is a very complex and demanding process. As much as artists are great at their craft, they are human beings and are affected by personal issues as much as most of us regular folk.

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15. "if MJ followed this advice, "billie jean" would be his only record. "
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because according to him, that's the only song he ever recorded
that sounded exactly in his head the way it does on record.

but if he followed this advice,
he never would have gotten to Billie Jean.
because he would have quit releasing the okay songs that he had to write before he could get to his most genius record.




other geniuses that never would have gotten shine under the David banner plan include:
Marvin Gaye (who was notoriously insecure about his artistic abilities)
Stevie Wonder (who... you know what? I am going back to ignoring you.
you won't stop posting anyway, what difference does it make.



good luck with this.

  

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21. "THIS! "
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22. "true, every song should give the artist that feeling"
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they should be to themselves like "this is the greatest song i've ever made" or something like that....


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bruce bammer
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23. "yep. thanks for your reply!"
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26. "It's not that simple."
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Thu Apr-24-14 02:35 PM by stone_phalanges

  

          

We all have our own internal compasses as to what is good, great, etc. Being an artist involves squaring what you think is great with what other people like in a way that is genuine, and hoping that you find an audience. It isn't about "best" it's more like "correct".

I guess I agree with where you're coming from but "best" seems like a loaded word to use in this case.

If I think Illmatic is the best rap album ever I don't think that topping Illmatic should necessarily be my goal as a rapper. I should be focused on doing what I do the best that it can possibly be done. There are a million ways to succeed/fail along that path but trying to outdo Nas is not necessarily a part of it.

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29. "RE: if you don't feel you're making the best song/album of all-time..."
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Agree if YOU aren't feeling it , what are the chances someone else will feel it? Occasionally I write something that doesn't blow me away at first but I warm up to it later. Occasionally I'm not feeling this riff or that progression but I let it sit for a while and work it into something cool.


BUT this topic .... what is GOAT ..... it's just too subjective. What you are feeling might not be what I'm feeling.

If you are churning out crap you ain't feeling yourself, that's just bad form. And if you are sitting waiting for lightning to strike instead of writing your ass off I can tell you .... the real players are gonna be miles ahead of you because they regard it as work and craft. You simply get better at the things you choose to do every day rain or shine.

  

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