http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/20-best-second-albums-of-all-time-20140324

By Richard Gehr and Keith Harris

A knockout debut album is like love at first sight. But classic second records are like amazing second dates, the ones when you really get to know each other. Here are 20 artists that never knew the meaning of "sophomore slump."

20 Pixies, 'Doolittle' (1989)
19 Pavement, 'Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain' (1989)
18 Neil Young, 'Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere' (1969)
17 The Stooges, 'Fun House' (1970)
16 Beastie Boys, 'Paul's Boutique' (1989)
15 A Tribe Called Quest, 'The Low End Theory' (1991)
14 Bruce Springsteen, 'The Wild, the Innocent & the E-Street Shuffle' (1973)
13 Black Sabbath, 'Paranoid' (1970)
12 Kanye West, 'Late Registration' (2005)
11 Radiohead, 'The Bends' (1995)
10 Elvis Costello, 'This Year's Model' (1978)
09 Bob Dylan, 'The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan' (1963)
08 Jimi Hendrix, 'Axis: Bold as Love' (1967)
07 Led Zeppelin, 'Led Zeppelin II' (1969)
06 The Beatles, 'With the Beatles' (1963)
05 Public Enemy, 'It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back' (1988)
04 The Band, 'The Band' (1969)
03 Carole King, 'Tapestry' (1971)
02 Van Morrison, 'Astral Weeks' (1968)
01 Nirvana, 'Nevermind' (1991)

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I know its rollingstone but still lol....that album pales in comparison to what was to come.....it was good but COME ON

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And get tricked into thinking they've gotten the whole picture.


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I personally started at Revolver

kinda hilarious how blatant it is that they are just putting this album on here just to have a beatles album on here....

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It's the album the solidified his career and in a lot of ppl's opinions (Including mine) it's his best. You may not like Kanye or that album but the list isn't about your favourite sophomore albums.

>It's the album the solidified his career and in a lot of
>ppl's opinions (Including mine) it's his best. You may not
>like Kanye or that album but the list isn't about your
>favourite sophomore albums.

Because that's what this list is saying.

Not to mention sophomore albums not on the list....

ATLiens
De La Is Dead
Death Certificate

That's just to name a few.

I know y'all love Kanye but damn...

I was debating it's existence on the list vs it not deserving to be there. I don't agree with almost all the ranking but the few choices you named wouldn't really be picks for Rolling Stone magazine (Whether you like it or not that's not their POV).

albums in their day and was covered heavily in rolling stone i'm sure

de la soul use to be a pop group as was ice cube etc

http://howardlloyd.bandcamp.com

Outside of the old fuckers Rollingstone feels they have to give it up to* all those sophmore albums were when the 'stone hopped on their dicks.

De la/Ice Cube turned out superior Sophmore albums but Rollingstone were already giving them press.

PE, Tribe, etc...were relatively under the radar until those breakthroughs.

You could argue Kanye was already on their radar, but once the Jon Brion produced Late Registration came out with tracks like Goldigger he moved into COVER of Rolling Stone territory

*Ironically enough, pretty sure they panned Led Zep II

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/albumreviews/led-zeppelin-ii-19691213

Classic stuff... I agree with the comment that Deep Purple in rock is better though; SEVERELY underrated album nowadays in terms of shaping hard-rock/metal. In terms of impact and influence, I'd rank it above Sabbath's first (not second obviously) even if Sabbath has obviously "won" in the past 20 years; still, the 80's was more Purple-derived IMO...

>http://www.rollingstone.com/music/albumreviews/led-zeppelin-ii-19691213

Id re-up my subscription in a heartbeat

This Queen-review is too much though:http://www.rollingstone.com/music/albumreviews/jazz-19790208

Fucking Dave Marsh, I actually find that review one of the most aesthetically offenssive ever and I don't even like Queen like that. Like, how boring did those guys want "credible" rock to be?

>This Queen-review is too much
>though:http://www.rollingstone.com/music/albumreviews/jazz-19790208
>
>
>Fucking Dave Marsh, I actually find that review one of the
>most aesthetically offenssive ever and I don't even like Queen
>like that. Like, how boring did those guys want "credible"
>rock to be?

"Whatever its claims, Queen isn't here just to entertain. This group has come to make it clear exactly who is superior and who is inferior. Its anthem, "We Will Rock You," is a marching order: you will not rock us, we will rock you. Indeed, Queen may be the first truly fascist rock band. The whole thing makes me wonder why anyone would indulge these creeps and their polluting ideas." - DAVE MARSH

"the guiding principle for these arrogant brats..."

"Led Zeppelin may be as ruthless as midevil aristocrats..."

"the only thing Queen does better than anything else is express contempt"

along with what Big Reg quotes

shit is gold

if only our new booty critics had the courage to trash contemporary pop like this instead of pandering to it

He called them fascists for like four straight album reviews because of "We Will Rock You". He ran them down continuously until he left the magazine.

But he looovved the J. Geils Band, which seems to be the polar antithesis of Queen.

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New Technology Vs. Horse album, "Sorry That I Knocked You Up" http://technologyvshorse.bandcamp.com/album/sorry-that-i-knocked-you-up

that free wheeling shit of a review beats a lot of the self-validating pontificating pretension of many reviews nowadays

That's what the list days which is why people says it doesn't belong on the list where it is.

Don't know why you brought up my comment on POV b/c that's in reference to something else.

You can't "not defend the position" and defend it being on there at the same time.

So should it be at number 10? 15? 20?

It shouldn't be on this list at all because it's not good enough. They've got it listed over some amazing album.

And I brought up POV...perhaps incorrectly to your reply...but because people always say "well it's Rolling Stone, what do you expect" like that makes placing LR over LET any better.

>You can't "not defend the position" and defend it being on
>there at the same time.
>
>So should it be at number 10? 15? 20?

I don't even know how that's contradictory at all? I would say between 10-15 seems pretty fair to me.

>It shouldn't be on this list at all because it's not good
>enough. They've got it listed over some amazing album.

Just b/c you don't like it doesn't mean it's not good enough. It was nominated for Grammy of the year, spawned one of the most successful singles of the 00's, topped almost every year end list including the Pazz & Jop list and was the album that solidified him as a top tier artist.

>And I brought up POV...perhaps incorrectly to your reply...but
>because people always say "well it's Rolling Stone, what do
>you expect" like that makes placing LR over LET any better.

It's not about making it better, it's putting it in context. I don't expect to see the same choices that a Pitchfork list would have or a Vibe list. That's not b/c one is better than another, it's b/c it has areas of music it prefers (That's why The Beatles & Springsteen are on there while most other magazine wouldn't include them).

>I don't even know how that's contradictory at all? I would say
>between 10-15 seems pretty fair to me.
>

And what we are saying is that it is utterly absurd to say it's in the top 10-15 sophomore albums of all-time of hip-hop...never mind ANY genre. And it's not necessarily contradictory but what you're saying makes no sense for the discussion we're having.


>Just b/c you don't like it doesn't mean it's not good enough.
>It was nominated for Grammy of the year, spawned one of the
>most successful singles of the 00's, topped almost every year
>end list including the Pazz & Jop list and was the album that
>solidified him as a top tier artist.
>

You think I give a fuck about a Grammy? Honestly, we aren't in here trying to be rational by saying "well it's Rolling Stone so it's ok". We are actually discussing the list from our own perspective and no matter which way you swing it, to list LR ahead of LET on a list of ANY kind gets your opinion on hip-hop disqualified.


>It's not about making it better, it's putting it in context. I
>don't expect to see the same choices that a Pitchfork list
>would have or a Vibe list. That's not b/c one is better than
>another, it's b/c it has areas of music it prefers (That's why
>The Beatles & Springsteen are on there while most other
>magazine wouldn't include them).

Yes...and what I'm saying is that I don't give a fuck...lo. Not sure how I can make that any clearer. I'm telling you my opinion. The outlet that publishes the list doesn't change my opinion. LR should NOT be on a top 20 list of best sophomore albums regardless f it's Rolling Stone or Pitchfork.

Got it and I'll seize immediately, take care.

So I guess I shouldn't state my opinion since you already told me what the deal was huh?

And I'm the one who can't debate and take others opinions.

but I'll play anyhow

>It's the album the solidified his career and in a lot of
>ppl's opinions (Including mine) it's his best. You may not
>like Kanye or that album but the list isn't about your
>favourite sophomore albums.

this list is saying that LR is the 2nd best 2nd to come out of Hip Hop's idiom, and that it's better than LET
neither of these are true
LET
De La is Dead
Step in the Arena
Unfinished Business
Follow the Leader
The Main Ingredient
Liquid Swords
Dare Iz A Darkside
By All Means Necessary
Bigger And Deffer
It Was Written
Escape
Paul's Boutique
Supreme Clientele
Road to the Riches
Resurrection
King of Rock
ATLiens
Black Sunday
Death Certificate
It's A Big Daddy Thing

that's 2o just in Hip Hop alone, who gives a fuck if it's Kaney's best album like that automatically makes it a lock or some shit
and I left off Nations because it's on the list above the Kaney jaint

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>this list is saying that LR is the 2nd best 2nd to come out of
>Hip Hop's idiom,

RS lists usually work off of impact in musical history moreso than the greatness of the album. That's usually why Sgt. Pepper's always ranks so high despite it not being most ppl's favourite Beatles' album. LR had a huge impact on music in general, it was an album that tons of non-hip hop fans listened to and was easily the most critically acclaimed album that year with tons of airplay. Also it's one of the few times (Maybe the only time) that an artist topped the very prestige list Pazz & Jop two years in a row. This list is bigger than hip hop and you gotta see past that.

>and that it's better than LET
>neither of these are true


>LET
>De La is Dead
>Step in the Arena
>Unfinished Business
>Follow the Leader
>The Main Ingredient
>Liquid Swords
>Dare Iz A Darkside
>By All Means Necessary
>Bigger And Deffer
>It Was Written
>Escape
>Paul's Boutique
>Supreme Clientele
>Road to the Riches
>Resurrection
>King of Rock
>ATLiens
>Black Sunday
>Death Certificate
>It's A Big Daddy Thing
>
>that's 2o just in Hip Hop alone, who gives a fuck if it's
>Kaney's best album like that automatically makes it a lock or
>some shit

It makes it a lock for a magazine like Rolling Stone that has championed him since he first blew up. I mean it's pretty obvious that Kanye has catered more to white critics than hip hop fans and while that's left him with little credibility to a lot heads it's given him privileges like this

I'm not hung up on anything, if I named top 2nd albums outside of Hip Hop LE would be so far down the list it'd be even more sad than it already is


>>this list is saying that LR is the 2nd best 2nd to come out
>of
>>Hip Hop's idiom,
>
>RS lists usually work off of impact in musical history moreso
>than the greatness of the album. That's usually why Sgt.
>Pepper's always ranks so high despite it not being most ppl's
>favourite Beatles' album. LR had a huge impact on music in
>general, it was an album that tons of non-hip hop fans
>listened to and was easily the most critically acclaimed album
>that year with tons of airplay. Also it's one of the few times
>(Maybe the only time) that an artist topped the very prestige
>list Pazz & Jop two years in a row. This list is bigger than
>hip hop and you gotta see past that.
>

who gives a fuck why they do things?
unless it's a list of all time Kaney second albums then it doesn't belong
even by the criteria you named it wouldn't make a top ten across genres


>>and that it's better than LET
>>neither of these are true
>
>
>>LET
>>De La is Dead
>>Step in the Arena
>>Unfinished Business
>>Follow the Leader
>>The Main Ingredient
>>Liquid Swords
>>Dare Iz A Darkside
>>By All Means Necessary
>>Bigger And Deffer
>>It Was Written
>>Escape
>>Paul's Boutique
>>Supreme Clientele
>>Road to the Riches
>>Resurrection
>>King of Rock
>>ATLiens
>>Black Sunday
>>Death Certificate
>>It's A Big Daddy Thing
>>
>>that's 2o just in Hip Hop alone, who gives a fuck if it's
>>Kaney's best album like that automatically makes it a lock
>or
>>some shit
>
>It makes it a lock for a magazine like Rolling Stone that has
>championed him since he first blew up. I mean it's pretty
>obvious that Kanye has catered more to white critics than hip
>hop fans and while that's left him with little credibility to
>a lot heads it's given him privileges like this
>


smh @ this bullshit being a privilege

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Please explain your criteria? I've given a pretty reasonable explanation why it's on there and why it belongs there. All you've said is "I like these albums more!". Few if any of those albums were as critically acclaimed as Late Registration and few if any had the wide spread success. While that doesn't mean anything TO YOU, to say that those things should have no part in deciding the list is insane. Critics aren't always right but a general census amongst them holds more power than just your opinion.

>Please explain your criteria? I've given a pretty reasonable
>explanation why it's on there and why it belongs there. All
>you've said is "I like these albums more!". Few if any of
>those albums were as critically acclaimed as Late Registration
>and few if any had the wide spread success. While that doesn't
>mean anything TO YOU, to say that those things should have no
>part in deciding the list is insane. Critics aren't always
>right but a general census amongst them holds more power than
>just your opinion.

I'm not presenting my own criteria; going by their own criteria, it doesn't deserve to be on the list
this becomes even more apparent when combining genres
RS went to shit a long time ago and these lists pretty much are meaningless, but even with that it doesn't belong simple because it's easy to name 3o more important and better 2nd albums
I used Hip Hop to further illustrate my point
influence on this generation of "artists" is grossly overstated because that and sales is all they have

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but none of em made me cringe outside of the Beatles.

Surprised Stooges and It Takes A Nation got love

They hold that album but as the holy grail of hip hop b/c they can connect it to the 60's so easily and it's a white liberal's dream album almost 30 yrs later.

The Stooges album is surprising (I'm a huge fan) b/c they passed over 2 Lou Reed options (Transformer & White Light/White Heat) who they normally gush over all the time. Considering his recent death and both album's influences I would have guess either were a shoe-in

I'm surprised none of these showed up considering how high they're been rated in the past by Rolling Stone
Eminem "MMLP"
Lou Reed "Transformer"
My Bloody Valentine "Loveless"
Neutral Milk Hotel "In The Aeroplane Over The Sea"
Nine Inch Nails "The Downward Spiral"
Oasis "What's The Story Morning Glory?"
Smashing Pumpkins "Siamese Dream"
Velvet Underground "White Light/White Heat"

Some of these could fit on the list but all deserving
Alice In Chains "Dirt"
Black Crowes "The Southern Harmony & Musical Companion"
Common "Resurrection"
Cypress Hill "Black Sunday"
Daft Punk "Discovery"
D'Angelo "Voodoo"
De La Soul "Is Dead"
Erykah Badu "Mama's Gun"
Ghostface "Supreme Clientele"
GZA "Liquid Swords"
MIA "Kala"
Mobb Deep "The Infamous"
Weezer "Pinkerton"

>I'm surprised none of these showed up considering how high
>they're been rated in the past by Rolling Stone
>Eminem "MMLP"

Technically, this is his third album if you count Infinite.

>My Bloody Valentine "Loveless"
>Nine Inch Nails "The Downward Spiral"

Both should have been on the list.

>Some of these could fit on the list but all deserving
>Common "Resurrection"
>Daft Punk "Discovery"
>D'Angelo "Voodoo"
>De La Soul "Is Dead"
>Erykah Badu "Mama's Gun"
>Ghostface "Supreme Clientele"
>GZA "Liquid Swords"
>Mobb Deep "The Infamous"

Co-sign. Also:

Bilal - Love For Sale
Clipse - Hell Hath No Fury
The Cure - Seventeen Seconds
Drake - Take Care
Edan - Beauty & The Beat
EL-P - I'll Sleep When You're Dead
James Blake - Overgrown
Mazzy Star - So Tonight That I Might See
Nas - It Was Written
OutKast - ATLiens
The Pharcyde - Labcabincalifornia
Prince - Prince
Sade - Promise

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I figured MMLP was a safe bet b/c even if you count Infinite, SSLP is still somewhat of a contender.

I would argue GKMC would belong on there but most ppl count Section 80 as a mixtape so it could go either way.

Why would that be a criteria

I started thinking, and came up with a few....

Low end theory
De La Soul is dead
Death Certificate
Life after death
MMLP (if Slim Shady counts as #1)
POSSIBLY Good Kid, Mad City, if Section 80 counts as a debut
Resurrection
Chronic 2001 (if they would count that)

It's a few more I am sure I could dig out....but those were the first ones to jump to mind. I saw Late Registration on the list and said yep, I'd put that on as well.

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>mixed opinions on it...with most being "It was a let down
>compared to Illmatic."
>
Only illmatic stans feel that way. We rode out to it in a major way back home.

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BDK, "Its A Big Daddy Thing"
Ice T, "Power"
Stetsasonic, "In Full Gear"
Outkast, "ATLiens"
Goodie Mob, "Still Standing"

In Hip Hop anyway.

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