barring "slow down" and a few puba verses this shit completely sucks.

like wtf did puba find the other scrubs at?

sadat and jamar got considerably better in ensuing releases, but on this?

derek x sounds like he's rapping his first verse ever on the title track and i mean he probably is.

this album getting 5 mics is just another example of the mind squad trying to dictate rap to rap fans.

the lack of recall this album got/gets is just another mind squad backfire.

and for every "illmatic" there's about 5 other things they got totally wrong.

yuck.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaeLdecIU3U&feature=youtube_gdata_player

That song is a classic. Everybody contributed to that song being a classic. From the opening bass lick I'm on the dance floor. Sadat did his thing on that song "Take care of them before I take care of others".

As far as the album being a 5 mic album...that's debatable maybe (Lord Jamar solo track I'm looking at you, original Wake Up Mix I'm looking at you) but it would only drop down to a 4.5.

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Still a classic!

As far as "All forOne", they all came off nice.

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it sounds like a 199o album, still a classic regardless of that
lots of classic shit sounds like it's of his time period, what's the problem?

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>lots of classic shit sounds like it's of his time period

If you're completely out of your time period, you don't connect.

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>barring "slow down" and a few puba verses this shit
>completely sucks.
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>like wtf did puba find the other scrubs at?
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>sadat and jamar got considerably better in ensuing releases,
>but on this?
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>derek x sounds like he's rapping his first verse ever on the
>title track and i mean he probably is.
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>this album getting 5 mics is just another example of the mind
>squad trying to dictate rap to rap fans.
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>the lack of recall this album got/gets is just another mind
>squad backfire.
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>and for every "illmatic" there's about 5 other things they got
>totally wrong.
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>yuck.



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made in the 90s.

what an awful thing to do.

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I didnt get it at the time tho..but all the classic albums I went back and got this one of the ones I aint never really like..beside Puba killing shit.

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I understand its an important album it just never hit me as a full album.

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"F you Im better in tune with the Infinite"

now the 3 big singles are absolute classics but the rest?

meh

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I think it's one of those classic albums where it's classic off the strength of
how extremely good the good songs are.
I do like more than just the singles, but I've always skipped certain tracks.

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Still one of my favorites.

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La La-Self titled

To say it has aged horribly is unfair. I know hyperbole is the done thing on a lot of message boards (and The Lesson is no different), but come on...

I think this album is totally of its time: the Afrocentrism, the NOI rhetoric, the righteousness. I mean, really, come on! But it knocks.

I agree that there are traces of the late 80s here, too, but this doesn't surprise me, as I'm pretty certain production started around that time. And I would go so far as to say it hangs with contemporary albums by Main Source (Breaking Atoms), De La Soul (Pease Porridge) and Public Enemy (Fear of a Black Planet). Not necessarily as good, but it keeps good company.

Do I think it holds up as an album, though, as a front-to-back listen? Well, that's where I think this comes up a little short. It's not perfect (I could do without 'Try to Do Me' and I always feel like the tracks after 'Slow Down' can't keep up the momentum). But there are at least three classic tracks here and a clutch of album cuts that disqualify the "aged horribly" tag: Feels So Good, Step To The Rear, Concerto In X Minor, Brand Nubian.

I wonder if the OP likes KMD's Mr Hood...

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if you don't like an album or can't get into it, that's fine
but there's a big difference in an album being wack and you not liking it
does that mean that no album is actually wack?
of course not
but what it does mean is that bad music isn't indicated by taste or preference
reason being you can like bad music just as you can good music, that doesn't change the fact that it's good or bad
calling something wack and saying you don't like it are two different things entirely
I don't like 2oo1 but it's not a wack album-I just don't like it
Crown Royal might be the worst Run DMC album but I like it a lot-doesn't change the fact that it's a pretty bad album
see how easy the shit is?

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nuff said

What the blood claaat???

the lifestyle it introduced.

whereas Run DMC's version of NYC was "yo baby yo baby yo!" "sup homeboy!" "yo G!!!"


--brand nubian introduced "swag" to hip hop for the first time. in a way all could relate: they first repped "90's Hip Hop" in a way that wasn't over the top like Native Tongues (too literal in swag: over the top boho afro garb, safari costumes, and de la rockin thrift store gear---i mean yeah it spoke to me well....but it was still too far left to be in the hood looking like tribe on the back of the "Bonita" 12 inch.


brand nubian brought that shit down 1000.

puba on his polo/DKNY/Hillfig swag was some shit that was uber progressive at the time and progressed nyc further ahead in a street sense in a way that others didn't. kinda like how you now see supreme skate gear as a lifestyle associated with Odd Future.

add their language and 5 percent steeze and that was a whole new way of id'ing new york "cool"

suddenly i see cats from my way talking "true indeed god" "what's today's math?" and "speaking in code"

---brand nubian simply played "123 i got my base!!!!!" first and very well.

so its not just about the music---

its the fact that in a time capsule sense:

ALL FOR ONE was New York.

the same way that "Southernplayerlistic..." was ATL, and "The Chronic" was LA....


i mean EVEN dissing NYC the dogg pound had to mock it in the way they knew how thru the lifestyle brand nubian introduced.

"whats up god....yo lets cipher......true indeed god"


this is why NYC is struggling today.....

All For One was the last of a NY breed.

the only other lifestyle left was Wu Tang for NYC....and then the next thing you know....*poof* NYC lost its character and really hasn't been back sense....


the reason it sounds dated is because new york hip hop had to abandon ship (sampling is a MAJOR factor here folks....take the sampling away and next thing you know everyone is doing a Too Short approximation of hip hop's music---sampling is damn near outlawed unless you have a budget)


---so you gotta think of the bigger impact All For One had.


Swag.

NO! LIST
Tom Petty
M J
Zeppelin
Springsteen
Neil Young
Eagles
Ray Charles
Madonna
Chuck Berry
South Park TV Songs
Justin Timberlake
"Food Glorious Food"
"Twilight Zone" theme
"A Boy Named Sue"
"Night Moves"
"The Situation"
"Superbowl Shuffle"

Of course it had a major impact on a lot of the hip-hop culture at the time, but it wasn't the end all be all. NY was a hub for 5% but 5% was not a hub of NY hip-hop or otherwise.

>the lifestyle it introduced.
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>whereas Run DMC's version of NYC was "yo baby yo baby yo!"
>"sup homeboy!" "yo G!!!"
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>time.

But you just completely skipped over Rakim. Rakim was the archtype and if anything the foundation prior to Brand Nubian. He had all the same swag combined with all the same consciousness. Well all the same swag is an overstatement. Puba's swag was on a completely different level, but that stemmmed from his Masters of Ceremony days and bled into Brand Nubian.

>in a way all could relate: they first repped "90's Hip
>Hop"

I really wonder what the reach of Brand Nubian was. I mean Wake Up was all over Rap City at the time, but was it really being received like that? Putting my bias aside I kinda doubt it.

>in a way that wasn't over the top like Native Tongues
>(too literal in swag: over the top boho afro garb, safari
>costumes, and de la rockin thrift store gear---i mean yeah it
>spoke to me well....but it was still too far left to be in the
>hood looking like tribe on the back of the "Bonita" 12 inch.

I wish I was more encyclopedic about years because this just seems like such an isolated vision of what NY hip-hop was.

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>brand nubian brought that shit down 1000.
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>puba on his polo/DKNY/Hillfig swag was some shit that was uber
>progressive at the time and progressed nyc further ahead in a
>street sense in a way that others didn't.

Oddly enough though this could be more attributed to What's the 411 than Brand Nubian. That was him going back to Masters of Ceremony Puba which was much more acceptable to the masses than anything he did with Brand Nubian, and ultimately why they split over creative differences.

>add their language and 5 percent steeze and that was a whole
>new way of id'ing new york "cool"

Again just to mention Rakim birthed that. I know it went much further than where he took it later, but was it really Brand Nubain that did that? I really don't now cause I think I was to embeded in it.

>suddenly i see cats from my way talking "true indeed god"
>"what's today's math?" and "speaking in code"
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>---brand nubian simply played "123 i got my base!!!!!" first
>and very well.
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>so its not just about the music---
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>its the fact that in a time capsule sense:
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>ALL FOR ONE was New York.

I just don't know if I can buy that. Maybe it's the NYer in me wanting to say they aren't even from NY (sorry New Rochelle never counted as NY even if they were coming into the BX on the regular, same with Mount Vernon and Yonkers). But also I feel like there had to have been a lot of other quintessential NY sounds at the time which were from a completely different angle. Just looking it up now I come back with:

Fear of a Black Planet
Mama Said Knock You Out
Wanted Dead or Alive
Peoples Instinctive
Edutainment
Step in the Arena
To The East Blackwards
Business as Usual
Let the Rhythm Hit Em
Holy Intellect
Intelligent Hoodlum

Just hard to point out One for All as definitive in that bunch.


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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

i mean yz, lord shafiyq, divine styler... all came after ra before brand nubian.

the puba style, that came a full 2 years later to brooklyn/harlem.
there were people repping that shit in the late 80s, but it exploded in Black high schools like tech in 1991/1992/1993.

also, agree with all the albums you named.

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took Positive K's swag and did it better. Which makes one go back to Dana Dane who by most accounts just jacked Slick Rick.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

>took Positive K's swag and did it better. Which makes one go
>back to Dana Dane who by most accounts just jacked Slick
>Rick.

they were in the kangol crew in high school together, but yeah, he bit rick something terrible.

and puba while in MoC was more like doctor ice or daddy-o from stetsa.

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>i mean yz, lord shafiyq, divine styler... all came after ra
>before brand nubian.

World Famous Supreme Team was on the radio with it before Ra in the fucking 70's

Straying from 15's point of course, but it's in this kind of context that giving Brand Nubian the crown just seems odd as fuck.

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>World Famous Supreme Team was on the radio with it before Ra
>in the fucking 70's
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>Straying from 15's point of course, but it's in this kind of
>context that giving Brand Nubian the crown just seems odd as
>fuck.

ding ding ding.
forgot about them, definitely contenders for best hip-hop radio hosts in ny history (...next to peter rosenberg).

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just like Marley had his hand on the future (85, 86 production) --you don't quite credit Marley 1st for best identifiable 80s hip hop above the other names mentioned.


i always said those who did it first never get credit.

those who did it 2nd always win.

there's always someone in hip hop saying "i did it first....and then blah blah comes and wins"

rakim was an ARTISTE.

an abstract ARTISTE.

an MC's MC.

i'd like to think of him as the conscious factor of the Dapper Dan mindset.---

a vision of what was to come.

but Rah was the Classic 87-92 period.

whereas Nub's blueprint was more 92-97 EVEN though they came to class early.

Rah and Nubs dropped knowledge of self.

but Rah never introduced a lifestyle.

he was all about Lessons.

brand nubs was lessons and lifestyle:

they hit skins, they spoke about gear, how foul honey's was livin',---actually---

they really never was much on the "art" of MCing. more than they were on Life Lessons, Gear, and Getting with Chicks.

but Rakim-----all abstract. all art.

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Tom Petty
M J
Zeppelin
Springsteen
Neil Young
Eagles
Ray Charles
Madonna
Chuck Berry
South Park TV Songs
Justin Timberlake
"Food Glorious Food"
"Twilight Zone" theme
"A Boy Named Sue"
"Night Moves"
"The Situation"
"Superbowl Shuffle"

paid in full had them all with truck chains, dookies in gg monogram dapper dan suits holding cash with a crew of gangsters on the back cover...

that shit was about as swag (or "fresh") by 1988 new york lifestyle standards as possible.
...and it dropped in 1987.

cramming to understand you here.

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I understand because lyrically it's understated but so much of who Rakim was lived in his lifestyle approach.

>i always said those who did it first never get credit.

Rakim gets the credit he deserves though.

>those who did it 2nd always win.

And Brand Nubian didn't really win. I mean how are we qualifying win to say they won over Rakim?

>rakim was an ARTISTE.
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But he also repped the block to a tee. That was a key part of his appeal. He was damn near a preacher but from the 5% school of teaching the block from the block not the pulpit.

>i'd like to think of him as the conscious factor of the Dapper
>Dan mindset.---

Exactly. Dapper Dan popularized by the dealers on the block. Rakim rocked the shit out of Dapper Dan suits constantly as the same statement as the folk on the block did.

>a vision of what was to come.
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>but Rah was the Classic 87-92 period.
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>whereas Nub's blueprint was more 92-97 EVEN though they came
>to class early.

Shit by the time you're talking about One for All Brand Nubian was done. As much as I don't agree with the original post here, he is right in the fact that shit quickly shifted post One for All, so saying that it was still impacting the class two years later is a bit of a stretch.

>Rah and Nubs dropped knowledge of self.
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>but Rah never introduced a lifestyle.

He did. Dapper Dan suits. Shit the whole gangster stylings of the Follow The Leader Video. By 1990 when he dropped Mahogany he brought skins into the mix.

>he was all about Lessons.

Not all by any means. But I know what you mean.

>brand nubs was lessons and lifestyle:
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>they hit skins, they spoke about gear, how foul honey's was
>livin',---actually---
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>they were on Life Lessons, Gear, and Getting with Chicks.

The getting with chicks is really Puba. And on One for All you can hear it, which is why I said above what you're attributing to the Nubs is really just Puba ala What's the 411.

>but Rakim-----all abstract. all art.

Where his head was at absolutely but he presented himself with style and that's what got him to the top, not just abstract art.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

it represented a very fleeting period in nyc imo, back when trends and styles were lightening speed compared today, largely in part to the internet occupying people and letting them observe in real time.

my problem or my definition of "dated" in relation to the album, stems from how sloppy a lot of it is.

the fact it got "5 mics" back when that meant everything and considering how many BETTER albums were to come in a few years after "all for one" or even dropped in that same calender year ("mama said..." as one with commercial bolster, but very satisfying results to an objective listener).

i don't know it just seems to be mostly huff & puff.

that album might mean something to you due to nostalgia and i guess on some level it does for me too.
but just listening to it today is challenging considering how much rapping and production advanced a little later. i.e. dated, overrated.

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>but just listening to it today is challenging considering how
>much rapping and production advanced a little later. i.e.
>dated, overrated.


This just means the music isn't that good.

I say this because, under this logic of production advancement making it a
hard listen, everything preceding this album would be a hard listen, because
it's all dated.

"Overrated" is a fitting reason to find it unlistenable. Obviously being "dated"
doesn't make music challenging to listen to. The quality of the material does.

All I'm saying is, when listing reasons why an album is unlistenable, stuff like
"overrated", "poor rapping", "hurried", etc, makes sense... but even classic
material that we all love as far back as the 20's is dated.

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the only song aside from the obviously wack 'try to do me' that i think sounds goofy now is 'feels so good'. Every single song aside from those 2 are absolute piff.


One For All & Live From Acknickulous Land were the very first 2 CDs i purchased when i made the leap from Cassettes.



Every Pathfinder in NYC had One For All blaring from it with the back door/tail gate thingy open.

If there was a fantasy draft for hiphop albums I wanna be in y'all group. Cause y'all passin up Magic Johnson and taking Toni KuKoc

Word.