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"The Lesson Revisits: Phrenology (2002)"


  

          

I thought more people would take part in the TFA revisit, but maybe it shows that it's hard for people to do one of these every single week. Should we space them out more?

This one should be interesting. Easily the most polemic of all The Roots albums and Ahmir has spoken extensively on how and why this album came to be. 12 years after it's release I wonder if people will think it was "ahead of its time" or if it's "trash" how we're going to perceive this one. We're gonna try breaking things up by track and see how it goes doing that.

Two rules:
1. Over the next 7 days give Phrenology 3-5 listens
2. Come back here with your thoughts.


The Roots: Phrenology
Released: Nov. 26th 2002



01. Phrentrow feat. Urusla Rucker (0:18)
02. Rock You (3:13)
03. !!!!!!! (0:25)
04. Sacrifice feat. Nelly Furtado(4:47)
05. Rolling with Heat feat. Talib Kweli(3:42)
06. Waok (Ay) Rollcall feat. Ursula Rucker (1:00)
07. Thought @ Work (5:21)
08. The Seed 2.0 feat. Cody Chesnutt (4:28)
09. Break You off feat. Musiq Soulchild (7:27)
10. Water (10:24)
11. Quills (4:22)
12. Pussy Galore (4:29)
13. Complexity feat. Jill Scott (4:48)
14. Something in The Way of Things (in Town) feat. Amiri Baraka (7:16)

17. Rhymes and Ammo feat. Talib Kweli / Thirsty! (7:60)

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Subject Author Message Date ID
01. Phrentrow
Mar 05th 2014
1
They HAD to start the record like this
Mar 06th 2014
35
Another good intro
Mar 08th 2014
84
Really sets the stage for what they wanted this album to be.
Mar 12th 2014
107
I knew something was up when the intro started...
Mar 18th 2014
123
02. Rock You
Mar 05th 2014
2
this would be epic with a good beat
Mar 05th 2014
27
I agree that it's repetitive, and not the best beat, but...
Mar 06th 2014
36
yall taste is mad suspect, im adding both of u to "the list"
Mar 06th 2014
65
lol get all the way the FOH
Mar 06th 2014
64
      Without stating my opinion on the track I'll say
Mar 06th 2014
69
      i can see how people would also love this beat
Mar 06th 2014
70
RE: 02. Rock You
Mar 05th 2014
29
Dope track
Mar 08th 2014
85
Really good as an intro track
Mar 12th 2014
108
Tariq put it work on this record...love this song and still do...
Mar 18th 2014
124
03. !!!!!!!
Mar 05th 2014
3
What ever happened to releasing the lyrics??
Mar 05th 2014
22
was and still is my ringtone since 2002 (srsly)
Mar 05th 2014
24
that and the lyric "such a fucking hypocrite"
Mar 06th 2014
37
Again, not an amazing track or interlude
Mar 06th 2014
38
Not loving this
Mar 08th 2014
86
perfect length...wasn't feeling it like that though...
Mar 18th 2014
125
04. Sacrifice
Mar 05th 2014
4
RE: 04. Sacrifice
Mar 05th 2014
30
BBC version >>>>>>
Mar 06th 2014
39
      the BBC version is dope
Mar 06th 2014
47
      everything they did in that performance was better than the album versio...
Mar 07th 2014
82
This song got me laid freshman year in college.
Mar 06th 2014
56
A favorite on the album
Mar 08th 2014
87
great song ♫
Mar 09th 2014
103
Doesn't feel like a Roots song to me.
Mar 12th 2014
109
good song...shocked it wasn't the first single...
Mar 18th 2014
126
05. Rolling with Heat
Mar 05th 2014
5
underrated roots song
Mar 05th 2014
17
Never really liked this song
Mar 06th 2014
40
This is too damn true.
Mar 06th 2014
57
yeah, this is probably my least favorite track
Mar 06th 2014
71
This one grew on me.
Mar 08th 2014
88
YEP
Mar 08th 2014
100
I didn't like this one that much when it came out
Mar 12th 2014
110
love the beat...Riq and Talib rocked this joint...
Mar 18th 2014
127
06. Waok (Ay) Rollcall
Mar 05th 2014
6
Dope interlude
Mar 08th 2014
89
pretty cool interlude...should have named themselves though...
Mar 18th 2014
128
07. Thought @ Work
Mar 05th 2014
7
RE: 07. Thought @ Work
Mar 05th 2014
31
the vibe of the sample was definitely superior
Mar 06th 2014
41
i used to feel this way
Mar 06th 2014
48
Demo-Itis
Mar 06th 2014
73
One if their best songs period
Mar 08th 2014
90
Agreed.
Mar 12th 2014
111
loved both versions of this track...one of my favorite Roots songs...
Mar 18th 2014
129
08. The Seed 2.0
Mar 05th 2014
8
The song that is played at bars
Mar 05th 2014
34
but...Thought only raps on this
Mar 06th 2014
42
Hated it at first
Mar 06th 2014
60
This joint gets skipped
Mar 08th 2014
91
I've always loved this song.
Mar 12th 2014
112
this song had more airplay than You Got Me...good song
Mar 18th 2014
130
09. Break You off
Mar 05th 2014
9
For being a radio single, this is a pretty distinctive song
Mar 05th 2014
20
Yeah, I think it is underrated
Mar 06th 2014
43
Did 15 ever fill in all the gaps in the "revolving singer" story?
Mar 06th 2014
44
Didn't care for the song - but the ALBUM version
Mar 06th 2014
55
I wonder what the Gerald Levert version sounds like? n/m
Mar 06th 2014
66
I like it and I don't like it
Mar 08th 2014
92
RE: I like it and I don't like it
Mar 12th 2014
113
D'Angelo version better
Mar 18th 2014
121
Wasn't a fan of this song at all...and still not after 12 years...
Mar 18th 2014
131
10. Water
Mar 05th 2014
10
IMO, the only essential Roots song on this album
Mar 05th 2014
21
I'd say this is BT's greatest performance ever
Mar 05th 2014
23
RE: 10. Water
Mar 05th 2014
32
it's been a while since i heard this one live
Mar 06th 2014
49
all about malik B
Mar 06th 2014
62
See I think this is *why* it's a pivotal Roots song...
Mar 06th 2014
67
remember the GPWW performance of it? maaan...
Mar 07th 2014
81
Best song on the album
Mar 08th 2014
93
This definitely felt like one of the more "important" Roots songs
Mar 08th 2014
101
Everyone's already said what needs to be said.
Mar 12th 2014
114
Water to Quills is one of the better 1/2 punches on a Roots album
Mar 18th 2014
132
11. Quills
Mar 05th 2014
11
One of my favorite songs by The Roots
Mar 05th 2014
16
easily one of my favorites to hear live
Mar 05th 2014
18
      live version is SOOOOOO GOOOOOOOD
Mar 06th 2014
45
           The Roots have to do another live album...Phren to &TYSYC...they need to...
Mar 06th 2014
46
                i agree
Mar 06th 2014
50
                     that North Sea Jazz Festival video from 2013
Mar 06th 2014
54
Thought closes out the song on a strong note.
Mar 05th 2014
33
RE: Thought closes out the song on a strong note.
Mar 06th 2014
53
      This was my favorite cut of the revisit.
Mar 12th 2014
115
           the vendetta line is greatness
Mar 12th 2014
117
                The end of that line was brought into my daily vernacular...
Mar 12th 2014
118
Ill joint!
Mar 08th 2014
94
This might be a top 3 live track...love hearing this live...Thought kill...
Mar 18th 2014
133
12. Pussy Galore
Mar 05th 2014
12
originally meant for "Masterpiece Theatre", yeah?
Mar 05th 2014
25
i believe you are correct
Mar 06th 2014
52
The majority of the album is Masterpiece Theater
Mar 06th 2014
61
i heard the more upbeat, fast paced, bouncy live version first
Mar 06th 2014
51
Yes and No
Mar 08th 2014
95
      I'm with you on all this
Mar 08th 2014
97
13. Complexity
Mar 05th 2014
13
my favorite of their "love" joints
Mar 05th 2014
19
Sorry, never even made it to the verse
Mar 06th 2014
63
      I kinda feel you man
Mar 08th 2014
96
14. Something in The Way of Things (in Town)
Mar 05th 2014
14
Musically ridiculous
Mar 08th 2014
102
R.I.P. Amiri Baraka
Mar 19th 2014
136
17. Rhymes and Ammo/Thirsty
Mar 05th 2014
15
RE: 17. Rhymes and Ammo/Thirsty
Mar 12th 2014
119
      same story
Mar 18th 2014
120
Rock You makes me wish Thought woulda got a REAL solo LP
Mar 05th 2014
26
I remember that track being on Madden
Mar 05th 2014
28
      ^^^^ wow. Yea.
Mar 06th 2014
58
      forgot about this
Mar 06th 2014
68
      Didn't that feature Killer Mike 'Akshun' too? That was the
Mar 06th 2014
76
I loved this album from jump.
Mar 06th 2014
59
I was disappointed upon first listen
Mar 06th 2014
72
It had to grow on me too...
Mar 06th 2014
74
a few people sayin they don't like rollin with heat in here
Mar 07th 2014
77
      Same here. I'm so confused by that hate.
Mar 07th 2014
78
           this is such a cliche at this point, but it fits so...
Mar 07th 2014
79
           Shit - I knew the response would be something about my verbiage...
Mar 07th 2014
80
                I think my biggest issue with it is the riff
Mar 08th 2014
99
           it's not a bad song by any means
Mar 07th 2014
83
Almost hard to listen to bc of how nostalgic it is for me
Mar 06th 2014
75
This is my favorite Roots album
Mar 08th 2014
98
i love this whole album
Mar 09th 2014
104
imo, it's the best execution of "hip hop band" ever.. easily my
Mar 09th 2014
105
So in summation, I thought it a very solid album with a few missteps
Mar 12th 2014
106
RE: So in summation, I thought it a very solid album with a few missteps
Mar 12th 2014
116
To me: top 2 Roots album, favorite touring era.
Mar 18th 2014
122
that tour was great
Mar 19th 2014
135
My first Roots show was during this tour...
Mar 18th 2014
134

Hitokiri
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1. "01. Phrentrow"
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35. "They HAD to start the record like this"
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Funny, in the IH post I had made the comment that Illadelph was their 'reactionary' record but now that I'm listening to Phrenology again, this one might take the cake.

The whole Phren record (which, looking back now, is not nearly as bad nor as incredible as it was depicted to be at the time) was a middle-finger to any expectations that might be thrust upon the group with their newfound success and the "formula" that listeners might have attributed to it.

That's a theme that I'll revisit in the other replies in this thread, but yes they literally had to cut off the "typical Roots sound intro" to let people know what the fuck was up.

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84. "Another good intro"
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Simple and to the point. Sets the mood nicely. Only good thing Ursala ever did for them...along with the Roll Call I guess.

  

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107. "Really sets the stage for what they wanted this album to be."
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Starts as a "typical" roots intro before cutting... this isn't gonna be a "typical" roots album. "We're deading what you think we/this should be right out of the gates."

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123. "I knew something was up when the intro started..."
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2. "02. Rock You"
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"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

  

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27. "this would be epic with a good beat"
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Rock You isn't a bad beat, but it's so Fucking repetitive.

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36. "I agree that it's repetitive, and not the best beat, but..."
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I think that jarring and abrasive sound was kind of the point. As the jumpoff that tore the skin off of the neo-soul intro that preceded it, I think the whole intent was to show that things were going to be really different on this record.

This isn't really a track that I revisit often, but Thought absolutely kills it and I think it's effective for its purpose on the album. But yeah, not my favorite track.

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65. "yall taste is mad suspect, im adding both of u to "the list""
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64. "lol get all the way the FOH"
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a repetitive beat is perfect for that kinda lyrical display

you must not like Rap music

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69. "Without stating my opinion on the track I'll say"
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There's a difference between a repetitive beat and a half bar loop...and yes I know it's technically longer than a half bar loop but not to the average listener.

That along with the beat being jarring, I can understand people not liking it.

  

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70. "i can see how people would also love this beat"
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i can understand why some think it's dope. i wanna agree, but i just can't get past the ultra repetitiveness.

i do like the madden version a little better tho.

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29. "RE: 02. Rock You"
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Def a strong song out of the gate. I feel like this should be someone's walk up to bat music or music for a boxer to come out to. Thought is nice this is my favorite lyrics
"Yo yall savages is primitive
I'm true penmanship
Here come the neuro-linguistic rhyme hypnotist
Making sound waves
Prisoners outta the listeners"

  

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85. "Dope track"
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Thought kills this.

I do understand the complaints of the repetitive beat but this is Hip-Hop shit right here.

Raw and uncut.

I don't think it's as strong as Proceed, Respond/React or TOC though.

  

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108. "Really good as an intro track"
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But not my favorite song on the album. I feel the comments about the repetitiveness of the beat, which makes it one I don't wanna hear just on a whim, but within the context of the album it works and works well. Thought rips.

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124. "Tariq put it work on this record...love this song and still do..."
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3. "03. !!!!!!!"
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22. "What ever happened to releasing the lyrics??"
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24. "was and still is my ringtone since 2002 (srsly)"
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also kicks off a punky rock mix i made some years back: http://soundcloud.com/confessionsofacurlymind/vaheleisurecast021-imamess.

we were gonna get lyrics?? lol. all i could ever really make out was the "FUCK YOU" at the end.

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37. "that and the lyric "such a fucking hypocrite""
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Yeah, where those lyrics at???

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38. "Again, not an amazing track or interlude "
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But still effective in terms of distinguishing the overall theme/message of the record, which was "hey...we're not going to play by the rules."

This is probably a good place to reflect on the fact that this is the only record that Ben Kenney ever played on. I'm a big fan of Incubus as well as his solo records (the first of which was actually recorded in ?uestlove's kitchen), and I always wished that he had been given more of a platform to shine on the record. But then again, I guess Kirk hasn't really gotten a chance to either, and he's been on 5x as many albums.

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86. "Not loving this"
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It's not bad and it actually bridges into Sacrafice very nicely but...

I'm a sequence freak and big on placement of records and to me track 3 should be reserved for one of your strongest songs...not an interlude.

I would've just attached this to Rock You and placed Sacrafice at 3 or even Thought @ Work.

Obviously, I know this is a personal preference but going Intro - Song - Interlude is te the strongest start.

  

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125. "perfect length...wasn't feeling it like that though..."
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4. "04. Sacrifice"
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30. "RE: 04. Sacrifice"
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One of my favorite songs on the album. The whole song flows nicely. I love thoughts 3rd verse he was known to be unapproachable and kind of explains it here. I like nelly furtado on the hook. If you haven't heard the bbc version they did of this live make sure you listen to it.

  

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39. "BBC version >>>>>>"
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That said, this is still one of my favorites from the record. Also, I vaguely recall Nelly Furtado's involvement being some sort of controversy, a stance that seems ridiculous today.

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47. "the BBC version is dope "
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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82. "everything they did in that performance was better than the album versio..."
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just incredible sound

  

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56. "This song got me laid freshman year in college."
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87. "A favorite on the album"
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From the very start...this joint just has a great vibe.

I'm big on the vibe of records and his is a feel good joint. Thought's flow is perfect.

The hook is great. I wish Thought used this talent more often as opposed to Dice.

  

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103. "great song ♫"
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109. "Doesn't feel like a Roots song to me."
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And I know that's the theme of the album more or less but still.
It was one of my favorites when the album came out, but I like it less now. Not bad by any means, though. Just... doesn't quite feel right to me.

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126. "good song...shocked it wasn't the first single..."
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5. "05. Rolling with Heat"
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17. "underrated roots song"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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40. "Never really liked this song"
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The beat never did it for me, and this really marked the beginning of the Questionable Hooks from Dice Era. Thought kills it as usual and Kweli is alright (never been a huge fan of his), but this song kind of annoys me more than anything.

Speaking of Kweli...and reflecting on how tight a lot of cats were a decade ago (see my Furtado comment in the "Sacrifice" reply....it's interesting to note that it's not like the Roots were the only ones who used their post-Soulquarian-era album to rebel against their perceived status quo. Kweli's 'Quality' also "broke format" in quite a few songs, all of which seem laughably acceptable at this point.

I mean, cats were really tripping over him talking about guns on "Gun Music?" We were that bothered by a slicker West Coast sound on the DJ Quik joint? Was it such a crime to have a sung hook on "Waiting for the DJ?" I realize that hindsight is 20/20, and these moves may have helped to foster the shift in perspective, but it's crazy how much artists were kind of catching shade for stepping outside their boxes when, looking back, they weren't doing anything all that appalling.

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57. "This is too damn true."
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>I mean, cats were really tripping over him talking about guns
>on "Gun Music?" We were that bothered by a slicker West Coast
>sound on the DJ Quik joint? Was it such a crime to have a sung
>hook on "Waiting for the DJ?" I realize that hindsight is
>20/20, and these moves may have helped to foster the shift in
>perspective, but it's crazy how much artists were kind of
>catching shade for stepping outside their boxes when, looking
>back, they weren't doing anything all that appalling.

I was a HUGE fan of the neo-soul/Soulquarian sound but I also accepted and enjoyed those same artists breaking that mold. I've always appreciated, understood and preferred my artists evolving and growing rather than sticking to the same formula that "works". A great example is that Kanye could have stuck in the same Get By/I Try/This Way/etc. rut and kept making the same song over and over, and faded out by 2006. But he decided to evolve and grow, and even though I haven't liked a lot of his output since 2007, I still will always check for him and am always interested because I know he will forever present something new and fresh, even if it doesn't ultimately move me in the end.

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71. "yeah, this is probably my least favorite track"
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even rock you has a better beat imo

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88. "This one grew on me."
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I remember disliking this when I first copped the album.

But now...I rocks with this beat. Thought and Kweli come hard.

Dice almost hurts he track...and I know I will be saying this in future posts.

His hook does work though and overall the track is a banger.

  

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100. "YEP"
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>Dice almost hurts he track...and I know I will be saying this
>in future posts.
>

The shape of things to come...

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110. "I didn't like this one that much when it came out"
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But now its a track a like a lot. Interestingly I like Kweli a lot less than I did when this was released. I love that beat. It makes so much sense to me that a song like this is on the album. It's like nothing they'd done before, but it feels so right.

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127. "love the beat...Riq and Talib rocked this joint..."
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6. "06. Waok (Ay) Rollcall"
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89. "Dope interlude"
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I'm not big on interludes and not sure I would track this individually but it works. They definitely stepped the transitions up.

You can tell they were intentionally on all their albums but they just got better and better with the transitions on their albums.

  

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128. "pretty cool interlude...should have named themselves though..."
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7. "07. Thought @ Work"
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31. "RE: 07. Thought @ Work"
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Thought kills this song for sure. I could never appreciate the album version after hearing the leak of the original. The original would have fit the album better and made it a stronger album.

  

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41. "the vibe of the sample was definitely superior "
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The spirit of the song is still basically the same, and for that, I really dig this song. Might actually be my favorite on the album. Love that it has stayed in rotation in the live set for quite some time.

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48. "i used to feel this way"
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nowadays i think they are about even. but having already heard the og and expecting that, i was disappointed with the album version at first.

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73. "Demo-Itis"
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That's what yall get for listening to leaks, lol. That's why I don't do it anymore. Just give me the finished released product. Hell, I don't even think of the original version of Thought@work. I made myself get used to the released version. It still goes. Probably my favorite track on Phren

Jordan!

  

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90. "One if their best songs period"
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I agree that the original is better but this is an instance where I don't understand the issue. The vibe of the track is still there and this beat is still sick. They have a lot of layers here and it all comes together perfectly.

His is one of Thoughts best performances. Verses are crazy but specifically the hook. I could see this being a hit if pushed properly.

  

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111. "Agreed."
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nm

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129. "loved both versions of this track...one of my favorite Roots songs..."
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8. "08. The Seed 2.0"
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34. "The song that is played at bars"
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Pretty much 8 out of 10 times I'm in bar these days I hear this song. Probably the roots second most successful song behind you got me. I enjoy it but I'm a bigger fan of thought rapping then singing.

  

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42. "but...Thought only raps on this"
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60. "Hated it at first"
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then i saw them do it live in the vein of the Seed/Outro/Melting pot that is on homegrown and have loved it ever since.

  

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91. "This joint gets skipped"
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I cants stand the hook.

"I pushed my seed in her bush for life / it's gonna work because I'm pushing it right"

That shit fucking sucks. I don even feel right saying that shit let alone typing it.

I do love the live feel of the track thought.

And Thought's Tone Loc flow is dope.

  

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112. "I've always loved this song."
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still love it.

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130. "this song had more airplay than You Got Me...good song"
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hear it all the time...

even on the Fallon show they played this in The History of Rap over You Got Me...

  

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9. "09. Break You off"
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20. "For being a radio single, this is a pretty distinctive song"
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Honestly, I probably prefer this to You Got Me. The production is very interesting to me. Probably suffers from having a dated/tacky phrase as the title/chorus.

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43. "Yeah, I think it is underrated "
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I mean, again, not a song I necessarily clamor to hear, but I never mind hearing it when it's on. I think the production is actually better/more interesting than "You Got Me," while the hook/lyrics/overall song concept are perhaps not as strong.

Also, the DnB outro does kind of seem like a rehash of "You Got Me," obviously...but still a dope way to end it. Kenney's swelling guitars are also a nice touch (and kind of ironic as he would leave the band to join Incubus, whose guitarist Mike Einziger employed the same effect/technique on many of their songs as part of his signature style at the time).

I also really like the different live renditions of this track, particularly the dub version on Homegrown.

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44. "Did 15 ever fill in all the gaps in the "revolving singer" story?"
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I know that a lot of them were addressed in the Homegrown liner notes, but I seem to recall that there were a few names that went unidentified. Don't have the CD accessible at the moment to reference.

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55. "Didn't care for the song - but the ALBUM version"
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Just wasn't my thing, mainly because the highly repetitious chorus - I mean it's repeated way way way way way too much.

And I think "Coming to break you off" would work way better if it was said once a chorus, or even once a song. (Same way I thought Not Gonna Be Able To Do It would have worked better with less too.)

Seems like a song that might more more sense if you're a little (or a lot) high. It definitely feels like a Scott Storch song and not a Roots song - BUT it's a Kamal song!!??!!

But the this happens in the song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VixoRhDLDYw#t=4m40s

Sure it goes into the D&B pattern like You Got Me - but something else happens - like a Melodica starts in and i gets way more interesting than the previous 4 minutes.

  

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66. "I wonder what the Gerald Levert version sounds like? n/m"
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phemom's the name, all-star writer/
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92. "I like it and I don't like it"
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The beat is quality.

The verses are good.

I never like Musiq so maybe he's the reason.

I can't even put my finger on it but something just ain't right.

Only reason it gets skipped is because it's after The Seed and before Water. I just go straight from Thought @ Work to Water.

  

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113. "RE: I like it and I don't like it"
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I feel the same. It was the track that I immediately had the urge to skip, but I let it play and by the second chorus I was singing a long. The dated phrasing in the hook/title still grates on me, but overall it's pretty good I suppose. Like it and dislike it at the same damn time.

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121. "D'Angelo version better"
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131. "Wasn't a fan of this song at all...and still not after 12 years..."
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10. "10. Water"
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21. "IMO, the only essential Roots song on this album"
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23. "I'd say this is BT's greatest performance ever"
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That's probably controversial, since he's got so many knockout verses. But "Water" not only sounds great on a pure bars-level, it's a gutpunch of an emotional song too. The music is gorgeous on top of that.

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32. "RE: 10. Water"
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I love thought on this song, before this album thought was only considered a braggadocio mc this was the album where he broke that cycle and this was the main song that did it. If you followed the roots up to this album water hit you hard. I could never get into the instrumental interpretation and the end it was cool maybe once or twice but it gets skipped nowadays as soon as the main song is over. The mtv $2bill version of under the bridge/water is epic.

Great
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Draw you in close and make you wanna listen to it
And if you real ill at makin' music
The listener feel like he living through it
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49. "it's been a while since i heard this one live"
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it would be nice to hear it at the picnic, quest.

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not sure how I felt about this track in the light of that.

was too hard to listen to as it cemented is non-presence on the album.

The pivotal moments from the roots FOR ME, include Malik B as the duo MC.


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67. "See I think this is *why* it's a pivotal Roots song..."
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>The pivotal moments from the roots FOR ME, include Malik B as
>the duo MC.

Because the song is all about their missing member, making it a quasi tribute song which to me says "he's here in spirit, he just needs some help"...the rest of the album doesn't feature Malik in lyrics or in spirit, so I think that's what the OP was getting at.

I get what you're saying, don't get me wrong. I just look at the song from the other perspective.

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81. "remember the GPWW performance of it? maaan..."
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93. "Best song on the album"
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The ending doesn't always gets played but I do like the Bitches Brew inspired piece. I just don't think it fits on the album.

Again, one of Thought's best performances. It works because all of the fans love Malik and the content was important to hear.

The beat is just hip-hop perfection.

  

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101. "This definitely felt like one of the more "important" Roots songs"
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Not just because it spoke on a relevant topic that had been creeping into the minds of a lot of Roots fans, but also because BT so often gets pegged as not diving too heavy into topics. So this was definitely appreciated and masterfully done.

I never understood the backlash against the music that followed the traditional part of the song. It wasn't terrible to me, it served its purpose for what they were trying to do...and if you weren't into it (like I often feel when I listen to this track), YOU CAN JUST SKIP IT! It's not like they put it on the front so that you'd have to sift through minutes of noise to get to the song.

That in itself sort of typifies the way I felt and feel about Phrenology. So many people at the time spoke out against it because it was "too weird/too off" but I never found it to be all THAT challenging. I guess I can see if you only ever really listened to hip hop, it would be some unfathomable mindfuck, but the way I saw it, they're a band...lots of bands do lots of different styles/approaches.

Now, just because they went in different lanes doesn't mean that the results were always stellar. I think if I take any points away from this album, it's because some of the songs/results weren't that great. But I never understood holding the fact that they did different things against them off principal alone.

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114. "Everyone's already said what needs to be said."
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Classic Roots joint.

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132. "Water to Quills is one of the better 1/2 punches on a Roots album"
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I loved Water...personal Black Thought doesn't happen often and it was deep...

I wondered where Malik was when I first heard the song...

  

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11. "11. Quills"
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16. "One of my favorite songs by The Roots"
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The track is kinda basic but Thought ripped it. Tracey Moore singing the Swing Out Sisters on the hook was a bonus. This song stays on repeat.

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18. "easily one of my favorites to hear live"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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45. "live version is SOOOOOO GOOOOOOOD"
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The changes in dynamics and the addition of the guitar and tuba...man. I can't even listen to the album version anymore. It gets murderated by its live counterpart.

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46. "The Roots have to do another live album...Phren to &TYSYC...they need to..."
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50. "i agree"
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i think we have to keep annoying quest about it. i mean the band has changed 100 times since their last live album.

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54. "that North Sea Jazz Festival video from 2013"
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Would be a perfect release for them, IMO. Make it a DVD/Blu-ray!

I've often wondered why they haven't released another one, considering they are in their best form on stage.

I remember reading on the boards years ago that ?uest had said he didn't want to encapsulate the live experience for a CD/DVD because he didn't want it to deter people from checking out the live show...but now that they're on television every night, I wonder if that's still his reasoning? Copyright issues due to all the replays/medleys they do?

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33. "Thought closes out the song on a strong note."
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"Yo, I hold the mic that could be thrown as a pipe bomb
Bring it just to sling it at your favorite icon
Thing about my music is it ain't shit like y'all
Thought, diesel like a 28-inch python
You know what I'm sayin?"

Love the keys on this song and the change of pace for the hook.

  

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53. "RE: Thought closes out the song on a strong note."
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>"Yo, I hold the mic that could be thrown as a pipe bomb
>Bring it just to sling it at your favorite icon
>Thing about my music is it ain't shit like y'all
>Thought, diesel like a 28-inch python
>You know what I'm sayin?"
>
>Love the keys on this song and the change of pace for the
>hook.

yeah I love how he closed it out.

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115. "This was my favorite cut of the revisit."
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That Hulk Hogan reference was so dope to me. So I agree that the way he closed this out was great.

"Hit the studio with a pen and a vendetta" was another one that I loved in this song.

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117. "the vendetta line is greatness"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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118. "The end of that line was brought into my daily vernacular..."
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after it was released. I always loved how he said "sippin' a ice cold Beck's, puffin' the 10th letter". Since I always smoked more blunts than joints I would say "let's go hit the 12th letter" to my buddies. Which now just turned into "who's got some 12s let's blaze" and shit like that. Haha. Been ongoing for like 10 years now.

Anyway yea - Thought ripped this song.

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94. "Ill joint!"
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This is the Concerto/Dundee type joint.

Love it.

  

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133. "This might be a top 3 live track...love hearing this live...Thought kill..."
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12. "12. Pussy Galore"
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25. "originally meant for "Masterpiece Theatre", yeah?"
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i remember rockin this the most out of the Thought solo joints that leaked before Phrenology came together. played it a LOT.

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52. "i believe you are correct"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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61. "The majority of the album is Masterpiece Theater"
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I think this really proves how tight they are as a group. The fact that Thought basically took his solo album and made it a group album to fulfil the Geffen contract is one of those things you don't hear about often in music.

  

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51. "i heard the more upbeat, fast paced, bouncy live version first"
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so this was another one where i was disappointed with the album version at first, but later grew to appreciate.

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95. "Yes and No"
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Beat is dope.

Concept is dope.

Verses are dope.

Hook is actually dope.

But the word Pussy just doesn't work. Never will in this capacity either.

Same thing with Xzibit's Pussy Pop.

There might not be anythin I love more than pussy on this earth and it just don't work lol.

  

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97. "I'm with you on all this"
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this part can make it tough listen.


"But the word Pussy just doesn't work. Never will in this capacity either."

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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13. "13. Complexity"
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19. "my favorite of their "love" joints"
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63. "Sorry, never even made it to the verse"
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Hate Jill's part. The over-enunciated new age therapist Stuart Smalley tone of her voice and the on-the-nose nature of the lyrics just make me reach for skip. I don't know... Jill, use a metaphor or something.

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96. "I kinda feel you man"
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I never liked the joint for that reason. Her tone, the way she says "complexity", the actual lyrics.

That shit just ain't my thing.

I've grown to appreciate the song more for the music and verses but the hook still isn't my favorite.

  

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14. "14. Something in The Way of Things (in Town)"
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102. "Musically ridiculous "
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I kind of wish they still did spoken word pieces on their albums. These were always canvases in which they could really stretch their arms out.

Much as I enjoy this, I kind of check out of the record after "Quills." I don't really have anything to say about the other tracks. Not bad, I just never had a moment where they clicked with me, so I don't find myself wanting to go back to them. When I listen to them now, they're okay, but I still feel the same way.

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136. "R.I.P. Amiri Baraka"
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I thought it was Bill Cosby for the longest time

  

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15. "17. Rhymes and Ammo/Thirsty"
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119. "RE: 17. Rhymes and Ammo/Thirsty"
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I had this album a good 5-6 years before I heard this song. It was my sophomore year in football and I played this album a lot on the bus on the ride home (since I still had a cd player at the time, I only had like 3-4 cds in roation). On a longer trip, i dozed off and then this hard ass beat came on and woke me up.

One of my favorite songs on the album. I prefer this version to the soundbombing (or was it lyricist lounge?) version cuz Thought's second verse is so dope (cynderblock shoes at the bottom of the lake).

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120. "same story"
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i left it running one day and forgot about it

  

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26. "Rock You makes me wish Thought woulda got a REAL solo LP"
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one of his best performances hands down

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28. "I remember that track being on Madden"
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Rock You (Madden remix): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7UbcBWJ8pA

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58. "^^^^ wow. Yea."
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68. "forgot about this"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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76. "Didn't that feature Killer Mike 'Akshun' too? That was the "
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last year I played Madden heavy like that. I killed a lot of time playing that game during my soph/jr year of college.

  

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59. "I loved this album from jump."
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It was a mainstay my freshman year in college and always reminds me of that wonderful, mystical year everytime I listen to it. I didn't understand the hatred for it then and don't get it now, though someone above brought up a good point that every one of the neo-soul associated acts caught shade for stepping outside the "Soulquarian" box and making different tunes. Which, as I stated in another post in here, I will ALWAYS appreciate and prefer over rehashing the same shit over and over, even if ultimately, in the end, I like the neo-soul sound better than anything else they tried.

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72. "I was disappointed upon first listen"
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after IH, TFA, and TRCA, this was such a departure in sound for the most part. it had to grow on me ala Stankonia. originally, i only loved about 6 songs, but it's since grown on me to where I love everything except Rolling with Heat, !!!!, and the Roll call interlude.

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74. "It had to grow on me too..."
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I was in WTF status when I first heard it...but it grew on me...

  

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77. "a few people sayin they don't like rollin with heat in here"
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that shit jams to me.

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78. "Same here. I'm so confused by that hate."
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79. "this is such a cliche at this point, but it fits so..."
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"If I don't like it, I don't like it. That don't mean that I'm hating."

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80. "Shit - I knew the response would be something about my verbiage..."
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and I was gonna write the below but didn't think it was necessary...

But I didn't mean "hate" in the "y'all hatin'!!!!" way. I literally meant that I don't understand why people dislike the song. And I don't. But I'm not accusing you all of being "haters".

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99. "I think my biggest issue with it is the riff"
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It's just repetitive and always reminds me of a toy duck. And the fact that the hook doubles it is strike 2 & 3 for me, because

a) I don't like that riff, and
b) hooks that double the melody of the main instrument note for note have always been a pet peeve of mine

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83. "it's not a bad song by any means"
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but it just doesn't hit me like pussy galore, quills, water, thought @ work, etc. heck, i think i even like rock you more.

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75. "Almost hard to listen to bc of how nostalgic it is for me"
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Soundtrack to my sophomore year of college. Went to the $2 bill tour at the 9:30 club in D.C. My roommates and I played this album religiously. Almost every song has a story and conjures very vivid images/memories when I hear it.

For some strange reason, I'm reluctant to listen to it in it's entirety. Can't really explain it. Sophomore year was hella fun. I did go through a painful breakup (looking back I'm embarrassed by how much I let it affect me) and drank/smoked far more than I ever have or should have. My grades hit an all time low...BUT, I did have a ton of great times and moments that year.

I'm gonna have to give this album a spin tomorrow.

  

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las raises
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98. "This is my favorite Roots album"
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Brings back some many memories

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Shonuff
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104. "i love this whole album"
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real ass shit

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& good ppls are following me so far; dumping music there

  

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DonWonJusuton
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105. "imo, it's the best execution of "hip hop band" ever.. easily my "
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favorite roots album.. i really think it's some flag-in-the-ground type shit.. and my goodness, bt's vocal performance on that album is pretty special.. he became an all-timer in my book after this album

  

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Hitokiri
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106. "So in summation, I thought it a very solid album with a few missteps"
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I played this album a lot when it came out. A lot. But it's been so long that many of the songs felt familiar but almost new. I thought the intro was really showing that this album would be a major departure from what they'd done before, but really most of the album makes sense as a logical growth from where they'd come from. I'll follow the format and reply to songs, and make the post for TTP later today.

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116. "RE: So in summation, I thought it a very solid album with a few missteps"
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This is a top 5 album by The Roots IMO. I like it more than the albums that followed with the exception of Game Theory which is a top 3 album by The Roots.

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Ryan M
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122. "To me: top 2 Roots album, favorite touring era."
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Ben Kenny on the guitar was fun (I dig Kirk more, personally, but Ben was an element that at that time the Roots never really had like that), Scratch, lots of Cody on that tour too.

I saw it once at Smokin Grooves 02 - Cody blew my mind on The Seed before we even knew that track really. Then saw it again at HOB Anaheim - favorite Roots performance ever. Cody opened, Skillz at the halftime show, Thought even did a Joe Cocker cover...shit was heat. 3 hours.

I still love Phrenology, and loved it when it dropped. I go between this, TFA, and Game Theory as my tops, and I rotate between them but Phren is always #2 at worst.

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135. "that tour was great"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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ChampD1012
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134. "My first Roots show was during this tour..."
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The tour made me appreciate this album way more than I did at the time...it had to grow on me...

That show at Wake Forest is still one of my favorite Roots shows and i've been to more than a few...

it's on the cusp of top 5 roots album for me...it's close...real close...

  

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