"Poll question: Why are people still recording verses to Dilla beats we all got?"
Does everyone have the C. Hamilton where they think Dilla spoke to them and said, "You know that beat's been floating around fa years and at least 50 other MC's have rapped to it, but that shit you just wrote *NEEDS* to happen."
3. "Most fans want the beats" In response to Reply # 0
I for one would like someone to start a petition to release the fucking beat tapes as he created them. To me, that has a larger selling factor for the Yancey fam rather than De La, Frank Nitt & Illa J rhyming over them. I've listened to the Sunset BLVD. instrums a ton, but the project itself (like that Rebirth shit) feels forced. I know Dilla had an album due with Nature Sounds (Slum did too I believe - Elzhi era), so I understood the 'Jay Stay Paid' joint, but the last two releases (the lost scrolls was missing about 10 tracks considering 'The Throwaway' wasn't "lost" & 'Rough Rugged & Raw' has been online for YEARS.)
Just release:
- The Real Batches (1996 - 2005) - The Vaulted Tracks In Organized Fashion (SV, Solo, Killa Ghanz project, misc.) - The Vaulted Albums/Projects
...and call it a day.
Sadly, I fear were going to here 6 degrees of seperation collabos for the rest of our lives.
4. "you do understand these things were never meant to be heard" In response to Reply # 3
by anybody that wasn't an artist that wanted to buy them?
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17. "because the beat tapes ARE the original format" In response to Reply # 6
I don't know where you're getting yours from, but all of them are easily had as they were on the tapes now let's not get too far in the shit, they're just beats on a tape/disc and there's no sequencing of the shit, so ultimately it probably doesn't matter that much
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And I'm speaking in general and also making the assumption that De La sparked this thread--
I'd be careful assuming that artists are making music for that small niche group of rap fans that have heard every Dilla beat.
Or I'll be more candid- no one is making music for the Lesson. I really doubt the Lesson is on anyone's mind at all.
I consider myself a huge Dilla fan, but I haven't heard all of the stuff that's out there. Don't have the time nor the necessary information to track it all down. I'm sure most don't.
I'd wager there are plenty of hip hop heads/ De La fans who haven't heard Donuts actually.
So we are getting more De La (don't discourage them from their new "more is more" strategy), over Dilla beats that most regular rap fans probably havent heard (at least some of the beats).
How is this going to be a "bad" thing? Or how does this not make sense?
Its on some mixtape sh!t. Keeps Dilla's name out there, builds hype for their coming releases, etc.
I think it would take a grumpy a$$ dude to be mad at this.
**Also, comparing what De La is doing (again, assumption) to Charles Hamilton got the side eye. I get your point (I think), but cmon...not even close to the same thing.
10. "we all LOVE Jay Dee..." In response to Reply # 0
...but Jay Dee sampled artists that may have been deceased at the time
record companies have been releasing alternate takes/outtakes/unreleased songs forever and it didnt start with Dilla or Big or Pac
MCs have been rapping over peoples music for 40 years and some of those people have been deceased at the time
i say all that to say I love Dilla as much as the next man but the music is available and rappers are gonna rap over music.
its great when people he actually collaborated with do it, but its not like, some blasphemous shit if Chance The Rapper decides to rap over "Fall In Love". Hip Hop heads calling foul for someone rapping over someone elses music is like a Vegan Hunter.
*and just in case someone says it: I/We rapped over all of the Dilla beats we ever rapped over while he was alive
19. "either make your case or don't, but don't backtrack" In response to Reply # 10
smh at saying it's okay to do it then making the distiction of your own Dilla beat timeline besides, nobody's calling for heads here, just saying at this point it's a bit tired
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11. "The Dilla beat scene thing was fun while it lasted" In response to Reply # 0
But it collapsed underneath the incompetence of his estate as well as the shitty, good-for-nothing, I-have-what-you-don't fanbase of his.
He's dead, and I barely check for anything with his name on it anymore because it's just either gonna be some forced project over beats I've already heard (e.g. The Rebirth), or it's gonna be a mangled version of something I haven't heard (e.g. Lost Scrolls). It's really pathetic the way it's all transpired and it should be a case study in what not to do if you wanna preserve any shred of integrity of a dead man's legacy.
24. "idgaf let the mcees rhyme" In response to Reply # 0
i care if it's sloppy or not
and also if someone is rhyming over a jay dee beat, just for the sake of rhyming over a jay dee beat but makes it sound bad.... that irritates me a bit
25. "i dont know why anybody else does it" In response to Reply # 24
but for me its cause i grew up to producers like Swizz,Timbaland and Dre but once i Heard Donuts something special happened..the earth started to quake and the sky began to roar then suddenly the sun appeared and birds began chirping and beez were buzzn
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28. "That Is Oh So True" In response to Reply # 26
I've heard about a few beat cds that had a few joints that Busta used that never leaked (or should I say never circulated heavy) but I remember coming across two beat tapes (yes cassettes) back in the late 90's one was a 90 minute cassette that had about 15 beats on it (each being a minute long or so) but halfway on the first side the music just stopped and the last five minutes was two more beats, then on the flipside was nothing but a live Slum Village show but back then I was impress with the beats but not the rhymes, the reason why I never made a copy of it cause the sound was sooooooooo low that even when you turned it all the way up it felt like you had the volume on 3 or 4 and to myself I was thinking if this kat had it then I'll come across another copy in better quality; but of course I never did.
Another tape I got a hold of was weird cause it was maybe a 45min or 60min tape and once again the quality wasn't that good but the beats were dope but it was only a few tracks on it (some that I think still hasn't been used or leaked) and the funny thing they were only like 3 or 4 beats at the very end of the tape of each side but at the beginning was one demo song by Pharcyde and the second side the two songs at the beginning was joints by Phife, once again I never made a copy cause of the quality but to this day I wish I did and now when a beat tape comes across my hands I either make a copy or keep it.
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