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>Its not just about "Finishing a beat". You could be
>finished. But that finished ain't good enough for the radio.
>It might need chord changes, different drums, more
>instrumentation etc... can you hire a string section? Get the
>"right" artist write a hit on it?
I guess this is the same thing as a cat asking for help from someone who may be better at drum programming, drum selection, chops, etc...
For someone who can execute the whole process on his own, I can see why imcvspl would see anything less as amateur.
>This isnt the puff "changed the hi hat" for production credit
>era. For someone like Kanye.. he'd rather credit every idea
>in the room when shit was made than have people come back
>trying to sue or talk shit.. I applaud that
But it still leads to damned if you do, damned if you don't syndrome, in the sense that, you have the naysayers who will be eager to say Kanye really wasn't the chief producer on the track and that _________ was really the mastermind.
I remember one time I was on another forum and this cat was saying Flylo didn't deserve credit for some of his earlier tracks because someone else had played piano pieces on them. I had to rip him a new one (not because I'm a Flylo stan or anything like that; I just felt that enough was enough with this whole "discrediting" thing we do nowadays) and ask him if Roland deserves production credit on tracks with 808's on them. Or if Gretsch or Martin should get the same on every country or rock track where their products are featured.
I know that it's not the same thing as a PERSON playing on a track, which I feel should always be credited, but, some cats are quick to say someone didn't produce a track as soon as they see or HEAR that a session musician played on the track.
But, at the end of the day, it doesn't mess with his paper flow, so, I'm sure he don't care, but I hate to hear all that noise from the haters.
>When I did Free At Last I needed a full sample replay.. They
>wanted some crazy shit to clear it. Some of the replay people
>wanted credit and points because they could replay it in a way
>that we wouldn't have to clear the publishing at all. That's
>a new melody that's deserving of production credit. In the
>end I just had a straight replay done but I couldn't be mad
>about giving up credit.
Did you end up still having to give up publishing to the original artist since you went with the straight replay?
But, I do agree with you that, if someone can replay a sample using a new melody that will help me bypass publishing, a few points won't be that bad a thing. I don't know about production credit, though, as without your idea of using that sample, the whole situation would not have occurred.
>IMO I am glad the days of the "ghost producer" are dead. Even
>if it means that 4 people are credited. If you have the
>hustle the credits can lead to a pub deal and more work..
Yup. The only sad part is that there is probably hella talented producers who's full potential was never realized because of them being turned off by the whole ghost producer game.
Speaking of which, I would still love to hear something from Mel-Man (although I know he doesn't particularly fit the role of a ghost producer). I feel Dre's period working with him was his most prolific. But it seems he's either blacklisted or just turned his back on the game.
>Every big producer has had or is a team.. Quincy, Dre, Bomb
>Squad, Timbo, Neptunes, Darkchild, Swizz, Dr Luke.. etc.. so
>mike will, hit boy or mustard having their own teams is not
>anything new.
There was ONE Timbo track (Lie To Me by Keri) where, upon first listen, I was like, ain't NO WAY one person came up with all THIS. Needless to say, I was right, J-Roc was credited as co-producer. So, in some scenarios, you can HEAR where more than one hand was in the pot, which is also a fine line, sometimes leaning towards sounding too busy.
>Also man.. how rare is it to find a multi-instrumentalist..
>who can chop the shit out of a sample.. have crazy drums AND
>make radio ready records? That shit is so rare I can't even
>name one person... Maybe Chad from Neptunes.. even then his
>song structures needed Pharrell to organize and write to...
Pretty rare. I'm guessing that's a compliment to imcvspl, and, if so, well deserved. And, yeah, Chad is VERY talented, but, when you listen to his solo stuff, you can tell that, without Pharrell's intervention, most of his stuff would be too cerebral or estoeric for radio. He definitely would have been an underground champion, though.
Come to grips with the fact that most OKP's are of the Nut Hugger lineage, so, if you' re not part of the little cliques that exist 'round here, your posts will probably tank like Souljaboy's album sales.
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