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philpot
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"would early 90's hip-hop take offense to the Fallon/Timberlake thing?"


  

          

i havent even seen it, its prolly totally fine but just the thought of 2 white guys kinda appropriating and semi-mocking rap seems like it would have really offended the sensibilities of the early 90's hip-hop head

please mock me & tell me why im an idiot for making the post even tho im sincerely asking a question not stating an opinion

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if anybody takes offense it will be leno's old audience
Feb 22nd 2014
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can i just hip you to something...
Feb 22nd 2014
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edit: 1965 - 1978
Feb 22nd 2014
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It would depend on the context & who did it
Feb 22nd 2014
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I don't know
Feb 22nd 2014
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They are slightly corny but their intentions are good
Feb 22nd 2014
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humorless rappers and rap fans would take issue w/it
Feb 22nd 2014
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*rushes to DJVlad to get Lord Jamar's take*
Feb 22nd 2014
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WHERE IS JAH?
Feb 22nd 2014
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I want a back and forth discussion
Feb 24th 2014
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theres mo mocking involved though
Feb 22nd 2014
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pretty much
Feb 22nd 2014
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there was no mockery in the skit.
Feb 22nd 2014
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no
Feb 22nd 2014
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So many actual rappers are making a mockery of the art form
Feb 24th 2014
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try actually reading the OP bro
Feb 24th 2014
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      I did.
Feb 24th 2014
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           well then i suggest a community college English course for you bro
Feb 24th 2014
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                Can't you stop?
Feb 25th 2014
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                     ^^okp needs a "block" function like twitter for these stalker types
Feb 25th 2014
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                          But can't we just chill?
Feb 26th 2014
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Nah, there was no "sneer" in it, like many of the mock "raps"...
Feb 24th 2014
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let's not act like white guys who grew up on the music & respect the...
Feb 25th 2014
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lol
Feb 24th 2014
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i haven't seen it, but those guys seem to be genuine hip hop fans...
Feb 25th 2014
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beatnik
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1. "if anybody takes offense it will be leno's old audience"
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I love The Roots, but between that segment and hearing Black Thought chant "black is black is black" tonight I'm just waiting for the same brand of dumb fucks who didn't like cokes super bowl spot to chime in.

But I can't think of anybody who could have done that in 90's so this hypothetical gets a no.

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ted_turnup
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2. "can i just hip you to something..."
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"early 90's hip-hop" = Black or latino native new yorkers born 1965 or later.

go ask one that hasn't turned their back for good on rap music, there are plenty in BK. they'll be more than happy to tell you what time it is based on their standards and practices.

  

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ted_turnup
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3. "edit: 1965 - 1978"
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Luke Cage
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4. "It would depend on the context & who did it"
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>i havent even seen it, its prolly totally fine but just the
>thought of 2 white guys kinda appropriating and semi-mocking
>rap seems like it would have really offended the sensibilities
>of the early 90's hip-hop head

The tone that Fallon & Timberlake do their thing genuinely appears to come from a place of love and respect and not mocking. The fact that The Roots are the house band also plays a big role in it's acceptance too. It's not done in an environment where Hip Hop is non existent and that matters. If back in the early 90's say Adam Sandler or someone who would be of age to actually be into Hip Hop did this while backed by Stetsasonic I don't think their would be many people who would have an issue with it.
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>please mock me & tell me why im an idiot for making the post
>even tho im sincerely asking a question not stating an
>opinion

There might have been a couple of people who were a bit cranky about the skit but I think the vast majority would dig the attention given to Hip Hop especially considering they don't just do the most "pop" friendly Hip Hop and include authentic classics.

  

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Mageddon
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5. "I don't know"
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ry 213
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6. "They are slightly corny but their intentions are good"
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They are just 2 dudes that grew up on and love hip hop. I don't see it as them mocking hip hop.

  

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7. "humorless rappers and rap fans would take issue w/it "
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like they do now.

fuck you.

  

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8. "*rushes to DJVlad to get Lord Jamar's take*"
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I'm not even joking… I kinda do want to know what Jamar thinks.


(Kinda.)

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10. "WHERE IS JAH?"
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Luke Cage
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14. "I want a back and forth discussion"
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>I'm not even joking… I kinda do want to know what Jamar
>thinks.
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>(Kinda.)

With Lord Jamar & Professor Griff. That would be epic on so many levels.

  

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9. "theres mo mocking involved though"
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Its pure appreciation.

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11. "pretty much"
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Joe Corn Mo
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12. "there was no mockery in the skit. "
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not even in a "these white dudes can't rap" kind of way.
they were having fun, they respected the music,
and it was a tribute to the music they grew up on.

like sowhat said, only humorless rappers and rap fans would take issue with it.

>i havent even seen it, its prolly totally fine but just the
>thought of 2 white guys kinda appropriating and semi-mocking
>rap seems like it would have really offended the sensibilities
>of the early 90's hip-hop head
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>please mock me & tell me why im an idiot for making the post
>even tho im sincerely asking a question not stating an
>opinion
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13. "no"
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it just shows how people from all walks of life can appreciate and give props to the music

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15. "So many actual rappers are making a mockery of the art form"
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and you're worried about 2 white dudes on late night television?

  

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philpot
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16. "try actually reading the OP bro"
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17. "I did."
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Edit: ...bro.

  

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philpot
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18. "well then i suggest a community college English course for you bro"
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might help

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21. "Can't you stop?"
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Tue Feb-25-14 07:14 AM by denny

          

I'm trying to picture someone who is satisfied that he got another one over with this message.

High five! These guys gotta GET A DICTIONARY!!!!!!! Perhaps they need to learn THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE! Maybe they should TAKE A COURSEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

I'd hate to be one of the voices in your head.

  

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philpot
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22. "^^okp needs a "block" function like twitter for these stalker types"
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denny
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25. "But can't we just chill?"
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"Try taking an introductory english course bro". That shit is like nails on a chalkboard to me. But it takes two to tango....I'll admit that I got pulled into arguing with you cause of my own negativity as well. We don't get along. I'll cease from replying to you henceforth. Cheers

  

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19. "Nah, there was no "sneer" in it, like many of the mock "raps"..."
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of the early '90s. And I've seen/lived through a lot of sneering mainstream interpretations of hip-hop by mainstream comedians and television personalities. I remember Bob Hope's particularly offending me many years ago. Here's the first 15 seconds of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zjzs7YmtnY

Couldn't find the rest online, but it got even worse from there.

This is the fifth one that Fallon and Timberlake have done together. I've watched the first three, and you can tell they're squarely on the side of "white guys who grew up on the music and respect the culture" than on the side of "white guys who think rap isn't music and want to openly belittle it for laughs."

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philpot
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24. "let's not act like white guys who grew up on the music & respect the..."
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culture don't get a fair share of shade thrown their way anyway

i guess when you're a celeb they accept it more *shrug*

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20. "lol"
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23. "i haven't seen it, but those guys seem to be genuine hip hop fans..."
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...so i doubt it would bother people either way

  

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