9. "Marley/Primo/Pete/Dre" In response to Reply # 0
if I had 5 I'd add Larry Smith, guy made the best sample-free Hip Hop ever and by a pretty wild margin
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21. "only 4 niggas on Rushmore, that's the point of the exercise" In response to Reply # 14
as opposed to a top 5/1o/15/2o list
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25. "The Wild Style album birthed hip-hop production" In response to Reply # 17 Thu Feb-20-14 09:43 PM by imcvspl
It's played by a band, but under Fab's close direction toward a specific goal. Fab wanted to make an album of instrumental breaks to white label for DJ's to actually spin live. In that process Fab established what the sound print of hip-hop basically is. He created the sound of sampling which the technology that followed would allow producers to make. He created the diggers ear by capturing in those series of instrumentals, the fundamental sonic elements that make for good hip-hop sampling. That's what cats were listening for when they dug for samples. Those Wild Style like breaks. But not just for DJ spinning live but to actually produce new works.
That was Fab's vision going in and despite going unstated it's perhaps the most impactul shit.
Pumpkin was another one, but he as a drummer more directly related to the rhythms of hip-hop. He played uncredited on so much shit that laid the foundation of what hip-hop rhythm is.
Mantronik really took what Pumpkin did to the machines and established a definitive machine rhythm for hip-hop.
Then Paul C came and crushed buildings putting the sonic and the rhythm into the art of sampling.
Everything points back to those four. Mount Rushmore isn't about favorites, but that ol 'founding fathers' thing of establishing that which is. I say it's those guys. The folk on other people's list wouldn't exist if those foundations weren't laid.
26. "I was really only asking about Fab 5, but I really respect your" In response to Reply # 25
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I like that you made the distinction between our favorites and who laid the blueprint, ala the American Project's Mt. Rushmore has the founders, and not the most beloved or noble leaders
Next question, thinking of your reasoning around Mantronik, why not give that credit to Egyptian Lover
I'm beginning to think Paul C needs some sort of revival of sorts. Shit didn't he even hear Organized Noise's first demo or some shit
31. "RE: I was really only asking about Fab 5, but I really respect your" In response to Reply # 26
>Next question, thinking of your reasoning around Mantronik, >why not give that credit to Egyptian Lover
One could. But I think EL took hip-hop elements and and applied it to the Electro sound of the day, where as I think Mantronik brought that sound back into hip-hop. Could also just be an east coast bias.
>I'm beginning to think Paul C needs some sort of revival of >sorts. Shit didn't he even hear Organized Noise's first demo >or some shit
He definitely did some demos for Organized Konfusion.
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28. "he's not automatically in the top 4" In response to Reply # 18
now, if the post was "best 80's rap producer" or "80's rap producer Mt. Rushmore," then yes, he'd have to be on everyone's list, but he's not without question better than Dre, Pete Rock, Primo, or Rza (you might even add madlib and a few more)
27. "SIDE QUESTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" In response to Reply # 0
so after all the years passing and side-ways dissing, did Eric B really produce anything in the height of Rakim's powers? Ra says he really produced them joints. Recently I've heard lesson heads say Extra P was ghost producing, Paul C's name also comes up a lot in the liner notes/sessions of Let the Rhythm Hit Em.
also Marley has also been called out for not really producing shit either, which is why I think Larry Smith belongs in his place for those who keep saying Marley
30. "There were hip-hop producers before beatmaking" In response to Reply # 27
The producer was the one that facilitated the beat being made. They had the studio or the loot to pay the studio and often the control of the studio during production. Some would engineer but many had engineers' You went to the studio with your records and the engineer sampled them for you. Laid it all out to be played and sometimes even played with you saying 'it should go da da dana da da.' You could be the artist doing all of that. It was all your idea but the producer facilitated it happening with the engineer. They produced the idea for you. It's only later that individulas have their own gear and make beats on their own time to take into the studio to get mixed. That's when the beatmaker started being the producer.
34. "Eric B didn't produce shit" In response to Reply # 27
people just assumed he did and they let it stay that way he barely scratched on those albums, it's been said that Rakim is a better DJ than Eric B is
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33. "My Mount Beatmakermore: Marley Marl, Premier, Pete Rock, & J-Dilla" In response to Reply # 0
In my eyes Marley Marl, Premier, Pete Rock, & J-Dilla are like the four people who basically changed and shaped the sound of what rap music suppose to sound like; and that's who I would want for the faces of a rap producer/beatmaker Mt.Rushmore aka Beatmakermore.
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