"is there a rightful "heir" to Dilla's production throne?"
just wondering what the consensus is....are there any producers out now that have emulated or even expounded upon Dilla's production? would like to hear some. give me some names to check out.
15. "RE: the heir is a "brother" or peer, not a son or nephew" In response to Reply # 1
Agreed.
Dilla and Madlib are the summit.
I can't believe whats going on with Dills the estate though. Sure its great to hear whats on the sunset instrumentals, but the project itself is forced. Just release:
*the beat tape collections as he made them *a collection of rough vocals & drafts from different eras *Pay Jay LP as he left it *misc. unreleased tracks that they found.
16. "RE: the heir is a "brother" or peer, not a son or nephew" In response to Reply # 15 Thu Feb-13-14 06:21 AM by kosyne
^ agreed, how dope with a 2xLP another batch be? with some geeky linear notes about the other heads who received the tape and joints they passed on or demos that never surfaced, then bonus disc with the vocaled songs from beats off it (De La Thru Ya City, those x2 chino joints etc).
I heard that Lost Scrolls documentary the day from Snap Judgement (http://snapjudgment.org/j-dilla%E2%80%99s-lost-scrolls) Apparently 'some label' called the guy who copped dillas stoarge unit claiming ownership of the contents so the whole thing is probably messy.
As a hardcore Dilla (f)(st)an at this point (perhaps selfishly) I don't really want to hear any forced collabs from 6 degrees of seperation or A listers who missed the boat. Like Mike Check said, I'd rather hear solo pieces or beat tapes.
But then is that what Dilla would have wanted as a perfectionist? peeps salivating/raiding his personal vaults for stuff that was in progress or personal one takes/two tracks of ideas..
But to answer the question of the thread...I'd have said Black Milk personally, his skills have lept album to album and more recently his emceeing level has rocketed..doubt they'll ever be a true heir though given his abilities.
5. "I think the era of that sort of thing is over" In response to Reply # 0
technology has pretty much rendered that line of thinking obsolete because you have so many people doing so many things at one time with an outlet to exposure, there's no such thing anymore for the most part
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Just mentioned this in another thread this week. While he doesn't necessarily sport the same exact sound these days, he definitely seems like an evolution from that...and by expanding on the sound, he truly embodies the spirit of Dilla.
7. "FlyLo is actually a good answer imo" In response to Reply # 6
even tho im not really a fan
>he >definitely seems like an evolution from that...and by >expanding on the sound, he truly embodies the spirit of Dilla. >
lets not forget tho, Dilla also liked to "take it back" (while still being progressive) for example Ruff Draft and, to an extent, the more "pure" sampling ethic repp'd on Donuts
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9. "Nic's drums aren't there though" In response to Reply # 8
most of the time they're interchangable in regards to texture and feel, they're enough to get the job done but that's about it
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10. "w/o Dilla theres no FlyLo ..." In response to Reply # 0
... theres a lot of Dilla sons out there. Flylo, some cat from Michigan called Nameless, you can even put Black Milk in that equation. No heirs just chillren, one shot they disapearin'.
Dj Joey Joe Member since Sep 01st 2007 13770 posts
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13. "To Me It's Between Black Milk & Flying Lotus...TOGETHER!" In response to Reply # 0
To me J-Dilla had so many different styles that not one person has came close to doing all the different vibes and zones he was in; but there is two that I feel covered them well if you put both of their catalogs together, and those two people are Black Milk & Flying Lotus.
I was thinking about Madlib but for some reason he was kind of influenced by J-Dilla as much as Madlib influenced J-Dilla later on in both of their careers but had their own sound early before becoming well known.
Also Dj Spinna has came close to the early or mid sound of J-Dilla but to me Spinna has been making beats just as long as J-Dilla has and will continue to make great material.
So Madlib & Dj Spinna are more like on the same lines as producers but as far as an heir to J-Dilla's throne & being directly influenced by J-Dilla, I have to stick with Black Milk & Flying Lotus.
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His shit is pretty sweet though - very easy on the ears. His singing style, his ad-libs, the drum/bass interaction….everything sounds like Jay Dee. He's starting to come into his own a bit these days, but I don't think the influence will ever go away.
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37. "it's okay to bite now? wow how times have changed" In response to Reply # 32
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39. "don't do this Poopy..." In response to Reply # 37
yeah he has that Jay Dee swing but listen to a variety of his stuff & the kid's got sounds that are undeniable
i dont really check for him anymore but when i first heard him i rocked his stuff pretty tough, biter or not the kid made my head nod too much too be mad
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41. "biting is biting, regardless of how much people like the result" In response to Reply # 39
and if he's making out to sound just like someone else, which I'm not saying he is or isn't, that's just unfathomable lame
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55. "^^^^^^Yup!! I was gonna mention al. as well. " In response to Reply # 54
I'm slightly torn about the blatant emulation, but he definitely has the "vibe" of Ummah-era Jay Dee down pat. And it's a sound that is undeniably pleasing to my ear, so his soundcloud page has gotten plenty of plays from me.
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65. "Waitaminute, I have heard this dude before." In response to Reply # 28
I got a couple of his songs in my "Beats and Vibes" playlist on Spotify but they don't have that Dilla vibe to them. I knew that name looked somewhat familiar.
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63. "Good looks. I'll be checking this dude's stuff from now on." In response to Reply # 18
His stuff doesn't make me think of him being a biter but more as influenced. I personally don't feel he sounds exactly like one of Dilla's styles but that his sound is in line with all of Dilla's children in regards to cats who make beat instrumental albums.
19. " The beat The Roots did for Bahamadia was as snappin as Jay Dee" In response to Reply # 0
...they should get props for having an almost identical "sound". Madlib and Dilla were also 2 sides of the same coin imo. Flying Lotus & Alchemist are coming for the "title" too...plus at this point, Black Milk has finally moved out of Dilla's shadow and is bringing very innovative stuff to the table.
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35. "Waajeed Is Dope But He Got His Own Lane" In response to Reply # 33
I think being around J-Dilla he had to make some dope shit without biting J-Dilla, you can't beat or get one up on another producer if all you do is try to copy that person, you got create your own lane and I think that's what Waajeed has done for mad years; the BPM beat cd and the PPP albums don't sound like something J-Dilla would do (a few beats come close but even those got Waajeed's vibe to them).
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Now there are various producers that Dilla has "begat" (to use Biblical jargon), but I don't think anyone currently has taken his "throne". If anything all the aforementioned producers have picked up where he left off.
What will happen, however, is that someone is going to innovate to a level even higher than Mr Yancey. And I don't think any of us can even fathom what next level is.
40. "it's sort of already happening" In response to Reply # 38
someone always comes along and adds to what came before them; it's not about being better, it's just a natural continuation of things but the problem is that the Dilla lovers won't let it happen because of how they feel about him, there's signs of that now as well
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50. "you didn't miss anything" In response to Reply # 49
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There's more to carrying the torch then copying a sound. It's about who learned from dilla (directly) and carrying on his gospel. Flylo has definitely learned a lot about drums from copying dillas sound, but there's more to understand and more to the legacy then that. Riggins was the student, dilla was the teacher. Go listen to The Clapper on welcome to Detroit.
58. "I really, really wanted this to be true" In response to Reply # 57
I respect the hell out of his work ethic and he seems like he has the same mentality as the Madlib/Dilla/Pete Rock/James Brown lineage, but the actual output is just more miss than hit for me. The wonkiness is just too hard to stomach, personally...
Maybe I'll get it one day. I will keep coming back at the chance that I do.
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60. "knxledge is def influenced by the filters " In response to Reply # 57
and lofi sound of Donuts, that's for sure.
Kid named Jeremiah Jae outta the Chi, then LA transplant, now back in Chi trying to help out in his city and building a team of artists and label... he's got a real MF DOOM type vibe to him.
Check out Bad Jokes EP. It really gives me a MMFOOD / Madvillainy type of vibe.
Produces own shit, good rapping.
One of my fav hiphop artists currently putting in WORK.
check his tumblr and bandcamp for tons of releases.
68. "RE: is there a rightful "heir" to Dilla's production throne?" In response to Reply # 0
Don't think so...but I do like what many of the new(er) generation are doing...when you look at is from an art perspective, do we really want another van Gogh?
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